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Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic archdiocese of Philadelphia[edit]

Hi Swliv! My concern with Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic archdiocese of Philadelphia is primarily to do with naming someone who was not formally charged, and who was later cleared. Without knowing any more, we need to assume that the person was innocent, and thus including names seems to be a problem. I've rewritten the section to avoid names, but otherwise left the case in place. - Bilby (talk) 08:19, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

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Both now fixed. Pretty sure the earlier ones done, too. 'D think I'd learn. 'D love it if the function were integrated into "Show preview", of course. Cheers. Swliv (talk) 22:17, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

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What do you think "reorganization" is, but fixing headers, grouping like sentences according to themes, etc?[edit]

Hi, Swliv; Friendly note to say I really don't understand your comment;

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"The summary on this edit of the Trent Franks article was "Reorg; no deletion or alteration of body text". Since a number of the headlines were changed, I find the Edit summary to be only technically correct and incomplete. I think the fact of substantively changed headlines would better also be noted in the summary, say, "some heds adjusted". While they're often not used well or at all, I know, good summaries can help assist editors and readers understand the course of editing. Cheers. Swliv (talk) 01:36, 15 June 2013 (UTC)"

Looked at the article before the reorganization, and it was a jumbled mess. Few headings, odd sentences about one topic mixed in with unrelated sentences, and where there were a few very bad headings, they said, effectively, "x said y", and then in the text said the same thing. A bio is not supposed to be a jumble of quotes, per WP:QUOTEFARM, anyway. "Reorganization" IS the sorting into logical categories, and defining. I was quite specific that that is what I did. Good organization is essential if you are going to encourage editors to raise the standard of the article, and not just tag another random sentence to the pile of random sentences. If you have can improve the organization, feel free to do so; good copyediting and organization is one of the many gnomish functions I help with, and it is almost always cooperative.--Anonymous209.6 (talk) 13:55, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

It seemed to me that some of the hed changes changed the content of the article. I know "body text" doesn't include heds but changing heds seemed substantive. I still don't think hed wording in this case falls under "organization". I've restored the links above that were in my comment (two versions) when it appeared on your talk page. I didn't and don't yet feel moved to change the article itself. Hope that's helpful. Cheers again. Swliv (talk) 16:01, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Yup, I think we are OK. Just FYI, there isn't much in the bio article; in general it would be better if all such bio articles include what candidates generally think and do related to broad topics, especially if they have been outspoken. I did compose the heading with a view to what SHOULD be on the bio page, not necessarily just to what was on the page at the time.--Anonymous209.6 (talk) 02:17, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I am wary of "should"s. If there is clear policy, citing it is good. If there is change to heds, citing that is good. Respect for what's come before and I'll call it "regional flavor" helps build an integrated whole (article and encyclopedia). I've done my share of "clean up" but wholesale cleansing can undercut the depth and nuance of an article. To address (finally) your original question, "reorg." is what you call it (I don't think there's an "reorg." policy per se) but followed with the "no ..." yours led me to expect something and I found something else. Cheers. Swliv (talk) 21:04, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I put a "+" at the end of an Edit summary when I have done stuff I haven't specified and which I consider innocuous and minor but which someone else maybe would want to check out. Swliv (talk) 19:17, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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Done; integrate bot into 'Show preview'?[edit]

I think I'm Yes check.svg Done, over time, on all the above half-dozen dab mistakes. I even made a proposal to the bot (at the bot talk page) which has been unceremoniously archived without comment here. Wouldn't it be nice if the bot could catch the bum dab links as an edit was being previewed? That's effectively what I asked. Guess it's not to be, yet at least. Ah, well, on we go, ... trying to remember to check each time on our own, right? Cheers. Swliv (talk) 22:43, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

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Done. And de-linked WET also; couldn't find what it referenced. Swliv (talk) 16:24, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

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I may suggest some new syntax to you: You as bot also made the correction you detected, I've determined. Which is good; your message here just didn't get the fact across to me so far. Meanwhile, thanks! Swliv (talk) 01:26, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

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The link on the Iris page is there to go to the dab page because the dab-page name has been redirected to the Iris page. S&S link fixed. Swliv (talk) 12:50, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Robin Pogrebin[edit]

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I appreciate the notification -- I did start the article and seem to have been the only User so notified -- and think I have now reconstructed the course of this proposal since it was made 13 April. In short, a "PROD" (proposed deletion) was placed on the article and subsequently removed by another editor, with the latter saying "not clear subject fails WP:GNG" (general notability guidelines)" and "take to AfD if you wish". The same (latter) editor then also added "addoldprodfull" to the article talk page which I believe says that, for the moment, the move to delete is stopped.
I also reexamined, as asked above, the notability criteria relative to the article. The two sections which most caught my attention were on Creative professionals, which includes journalists (RPogrebin's profession), and on Family, since RPogrebin is notable in part certainly because of her mother and (maybe) her sister (who also has a Wiki article). I would agree readily that RPogrebin is not a black-and-white case for inclusion in Wikipedia. On the general notability for creative professionals side, I probably stretched early on with the line that was removed in '09 here where I'd tried not to promote "Daylife" (a news aggregator), as the editor thought it did in effect, but rather had just stretched to document the numerical extent of the writer's body of work. I don't bemoan the loss of the Daylife stats and in general feel alright with the modest but real account now given in the article of the writer's work. On the family side, I was certainly pleased to find the PBS documentary covering both mother and daughter (with the latter presumably not just because she was a daughter) and added that reference accordingly. I have found the "beat" covered by RPogrebin quite consistently interesting if not rather unique; but I also have worked to keep the article from becoming a "Christmas tree" (festooned with examples of stories) particularly when done without citation as one was here. Of course, in that particular case, arts education is not an exclusive subject for this writer but I expect it was an interesting take on an interesting subject; it didn't happen I was ready at that time to track down a citation or otherwise improve the inclusion and I guess the IP editor whom I ended up reverting wasn't either. In short, again, it's a "gray zone" article but I have felt over the years one that's well-earned its place in the encyclopedia.
Finally, resorting to one of my personal-favorite Wiki support functions, I've gone to two "traffic statistics" pages. First, the last ninety days: The biggest spike, 40+ hits, over this deletion proposal I expect mostly; but two "respectable" in my book high-20s also in the period. Second, pretty randomly, April 2013: Again, a 39 and a few high-mid-20s. The hits show no pattern and I expect them to be largely the flickers of interest generated by another article in the daily paper by the writer -- or secondary citations of same. For myself, I appreciate having Wikipedia available for exactly that function -- when I read an article that interests me, I'm interested in who wrote it. The publications often give little info and it's often promotional (latest book; or at least publication-specific). And when I say respectable I say so having watched articles go in the single digits of hits for months or even years I think; and still felt they were worthy. A few come to mind as maybe fitting that category: Barry Zorthian, Blythe McGarvie and Gregor Dorfmeister; and at risk of setting out a trap-line for deletion propositions, here's my whole list. Each can be argued. For now, I've argued this one. Thanks. Swliv (talk) 17:37, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

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Hey[edit]

Please don't just remove dead URLs as you did in this edit. When you do, it makes it harder for other editors to fix them by adding archived links later on. Instead, please just add {{dead link}}. Thanks —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:11, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks and sorry. I have done my review of Wikipedia:Dead links aka link rot and seen the error of my way there. I'm checking to see if there are others I've done that are better reversed.
I've reversed the "fix" to Steve Scalise. I've used "deadurl=yes" at George H. W. Bush which is new to me but is used widely on that page; makes me wonder how they (v. dead link templates) are tracked (see below) and (hopefully) fixed. The one at Federal Reserve I did correctly.
I'm not likely to become an archive-specialist fixing dead links the right way though stranger things have happened. To that end or just to satisfy curiosity I'd appreciate knowing if there isn't a page for "All pages with dead link(s) on them". I discovered a page which may in fact have been exactly that some fair time ago; if it was that exactly, it added to my motivation to remove the template (by what turned out to be my obviously not unique counterproductive shortcut). Maybe the warning that's in the "Wikipedia:Dead links" page that I was ignoring in ignorance should be on the "All pages ..." page for others. Or maybe it's there. I'd like referral to the page in any event if one could help.
I wonder now if another set of actually more prevalent "quick housekeeping" efforts of mine recently has also been awry. When confronted with a naked url or six, I have been making the name of the web site (eg militarytimes.com) what the url links to, if that's clear. I did some here for example at Jeffrey Allen Sinclair with the Edit summary "couple naked urls minimally upgraded". I knew this was maybe counterproductive in a way I didn't appreciate -- small cosmetic improvement with maybe unintended negative consequences, as my Dead link housekeeping proved to be -- so have made my summaries more explicit for easy identification and reversal.
Thanks for attention to these follow-up thoughts if possible. Swliv (talk) 10:41, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. I also see "deadurl=yes" used a lot, but I don't know how it's tracked, if at all.
There is indeed a category for pages with dead links, which you can see here.
As for the changes you've made to naked URLs on pages like Jeffrey Allen Sinclair, I don't see anything wrong with them. In fact, I think your edits are an improvement, because they give the reader a vague idea of what the reference links to before they click on it.
Cheers! —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 15:08, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

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Brooks School[edit]

Just to let you know, I will continue to oppose the insertion of any information regarding the scandal that was recently removed. It is mainly a case of defending the wiki. In our litigious society, unless there is ample legal proof someone has done something of the level of impropriety we are talking about (and notice I am talking in riddles here, on purpose, for the same reason), it is not wise for a non-profit foundation to be exposing it's assets to potential lawsuit by bringing it up. Our job is to report on what other sources are saying. And yes, other sources are talking about it. however, as I stated on KylieTastic's page, sex scandals are unfortunately becoming a norm in our schools. we lack a historical perspective to understand what this means in the long term for the institution if anything. My guess is it is more of a societal issue than a school issue, but that really isn't important. We have in the article no other information good or bad about any other headmaster. This for a school that is pushing real hard on 100 years old. Just because we have some tawdry info about one does not mean we should include it. How does including it improve anyone's understanding of the school institution as a whole? I would bet that somewhere in the past there has been at least one other head of this school that has left under a cloud. so what? It is a business that has to have a leader. Leaders have power and power can corrupt. This is nothing unique to this institution. John from Idegon (talk) 21:27, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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WSJ "subscription required" tag @ Matt Ridley[edit]

WSJ by policy makes its editorial & opinion columns freely available indefinitely. Thus the tag you re-added is unnecessary. --Pete Tillman (talk) 21:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for attention to this but I've just logged in and been denied access to column in question, offered subscription, as before. All these headlines (across the top of the page) -- Nevada Gets Musked, The Dual Threats to Western Values, How an NFL Commissioner Needs to Think, and Merkel Confronts Anti-Semitism -- are I think opinion pieces and are marked with the gold-key subscriber-only symbol. I'd thought what you said was right but seems not. Swliv (talk) 01:03, 16 September 2014 (UTC)