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The Gore Effect AfD[edit]

You previously commented on Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Marknutley/The Gore Effect. A new version of the article has been created in article space at The Gore Effect and has been nominated for deletion. If you have any views on this, please feel free to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Gore Effect. -- ChrisO (talk) 08:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

John Adams, Sr.[edit]

I hope you like what you see. Bearian (talk) 04:12, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

aco vs. hmo[edit]

FYI I replied at Talk:Accountable_care_organization with a source. Jesanj (talk) 13:17, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Qing-ban Lu[edit]

I found this via Google for "CRE driven ozone depletion". I too have tried to add mention of this work and later publication to global cooling page but others keep removing the material. Can you tell me what happened before with this work? Is there no way to include this important information in the encyclopedia? --Freddie1973 (talk) 04:42, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I am sorry. You may not have seen my question. [1] Thank you. --Freddie1973 (talk) 05:01, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for starting the article[edit]

I've been working on a draft User:Jesanj/Specialty Society Relative Value Scale Update Committee. I'll move over stuff shortly. Jesanj (talk) 22:16, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Romania[edit]

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Hi! From your edits, it looks like you might be interested in contributing to WikiProject Romania. It is a project aimed at organizing and improving the quality and accuracy of articles related to Romania. Thanks and best regards!

--Codrin.B (talk) 06:02, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

As for the other thing (Kenai Peninsula Borough)[edit]

I've been suspicious of this whole "unincorporated community" thing. In the case of Alaska, it seems like most of them are sourced strictly from GNIS entries. Most of those entries were in turn sourced from Dictionary of Alaska Place Names and have been seldom updated since that work was published in 1967. A lot of places in Alaska dubbed "unincorporated communities" are actually within the boundaries of a city or CDP. We went through an AFD for Miller Landing, which was originally a CDP but has since been annexed into the corporate limits of Homer. As for the unincorporated communities listed in the KPB article, Jakolof Bay (along with Portlock) were classified as CDPs in the 1980 Census (not sure about 1990). The remainder are within the Fox River CDP boundaries.RadioKAOS (talk) 02:42, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Oh yeah: all of this doesn't even include the fact that a CDP is by definition an unincorporated community, but for some strange reason we seem to keep the two separate.RadioKAOS (talk) 02:45, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
I will be embarking on a relevant project and will be documenting this and keeping it up to date. Do you know if anybody in wikipedialand already has a relevant project on this? TMLutas (talk) 18:18, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Not sure. There is WP:CITIES, which appears to be active, but not necessarily that focused on the United States. There is also WP:COUNTY, which isn't really all that active. Additionally, WP:2010USC, borne out of a village pump discussion, but about as similarly active as the county project.
Also, going through the census data brought something else to mind. I'm not sure if this is specific to Alaska (as footnotes of various reports indicate that the Director of the Census used his discretionary powers to make exceptions for Alaska, given its sparse settlement, and probably also owing to the technology of the day) or also pertains to other states as well, but the term "census-designated place" only came into use starting with the 1980 Census. Before that, these same communities were referred to as "unincorporated communities" for several prior censuses. Before that, they were referred to as "villages." From the looks of it, only 1990 through 2010 data is online. I've already spent enough time pointing out how a lack of proper historical perspective leads to potential historical revisionism. For example, historical references to "cities" in Alaska, when contemporary sources indicate that during the first half of the 20th century, these communities were legally incorporated and referred to as "towns" rather than "cities."RadioKAOS (talk) 22:25, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - January 2013[edit]

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January 2013

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Page blanking[edit]

Please do not blank school district redirects as you have been for the last day or so. If you believe a redirect is inappropriate, the correct place to deal with it is at Redirects for Deletion. Leaving a blank page is not something we support. InShaneee (talk) 09:50, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

I think if you could at least throw in a one line description ("X is a school district in State Y") and a stub template so the page is a little easier to find, that'd be a start, though if you do have enough info to toss up an infobox, that'd be nice as well. InShaneee (talk) 01:20, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
  • The appropriate action here would actually be to correct the redirection, rather than blank the page or delete the redirect altogether. If you find that the page is redirected to the wrong article... replace it with the accurate one. Redirect a non-notable school to (first) the school district. If an article for the school district does not exist, the second option is to redirect the article to the city, county, or other geographical entity. TMLutas, if you need help, don't hesitate to contact me anytime. Best regards, Cindy(talk to me) 21:37, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Carlisle School District (Arkansas)[edit]

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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice to inform you that a tag has been placed on Carlisle School District (Arkansas) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

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About your articles on Schools[edit]

Hi TMLutes, Recently I found around 10-11 articles that to have created on schools which are all unfortunately one liners and are very meagrely referenced... Would it be possible if I deleted all these the para and ou Crete a common page r would u plz expand your articles, as much as possible! Thanks Ajayupai95 (talk) 06:53, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

  • I second that. "Mt Ida Sch Dist 20 is a school district in Montgomery County, AR" is not what I would call an article, not even a stub. Please also avoid this US-centrism, WP is international in scope and some of our readers might not immediately see what "AR" means. Finally, please don't add redlinked categories. AS WP:CAT says: "An article should never be left with a non-existent (redlinked) category on it. Either the category should be created, or else the link should be removed or changed to a category that does exist". Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 14:48, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
  • PS: Just to clarify, because I went a bit fast above: I second the criticism of Ajayupai95, but certainly don't agree with mass-deletion. School districts are considered inherently notable, as far as I know, so I doubt that anybody could get this through an AfD. This does not take away, though, my other criticisms and strongly disagree with your comments about your "production" being hampered. We're not on a deadline here and if speed is the only cost, that is not too expensive for a job well-done instead of half done. --Randykitty (talk) 12:29, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, again, for clarifying. The whole "mass delete" idea really is my big beef and I'm glad I was mistaken on the subject in your case. As you can see above, my first feed back was not only a deletion assertion but a speedy deletion. That kind of set the tone.
I think that your criticism would have a great deal more validity to it if I were planning a one pass through operation. The purpose of this pass is mostly to fix a destination for the data. Once a page exists, in whatever form, then I can incorporate structured data much more quickly. Let's say I get a listing of all school board members for all school districts in the US (it might exist). I import the list into the database and update the skeleton to incorporate the data. Then I get the data from each of the wikipedia pages and the computer does a comparison. If the data is the same or substantially the same, the new skeleton overwrites the old. If a different curator has shown up, the new data goes to the talk page, and if I can figure out how, a note goes in their talk pages in automated fashion along with a link letting them not get further updates. None of it works without having a known destination page, again which is what my current goal is at this point. There is an unfortunate preexisting tendency to make a bad connection to a high school page instead leaving the redlinked district alone. By putting up a skeleton, I fix that. Do you have a better way? TMLutas (talk) 19:42, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

I've done individual notes to the complainers so far and as it is likely that some of the hundreds of skeletons yet to come will draw further attention, I thought I'd note my response here. I am working off the US Census Bureau's 2012 census of governments (preliminary results). I don't *have* more information, other than the mailing address, which usually isn't included in more developed school pages so I didn't include it in my skeleton. The subject of the page is clear. The source is usually documented in the initial comments, a link to the district website is included where available. I've even included an auto-generated category link so they're not even uncategorized. This is as complete a skeleton as I can make given the information and time constraints I have. If you have a specific suggestion to improve the skeleton language that I can easily fit in to the database field that auto-calculates the skeleton, feel free to suggest it. I'm all ears. If you want to provide me with an extensive work schedule so that my skeleton passes your personal, higher standards that exceed Wikipedia community norms, please do not bother. You can make those additions on your own time. Mass deletions will be considered vandalism and reported as such. TMLutas (talk) 15:39, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

I'd advise against short stubs on schools and school districts. They come across as overly generic and are rarely expanded. Perhaps concentrate on producing some fleshier stubs/start class articles with good sources? If you speak Romanian I could create a list of really wanted articles needing translation from Romanian wikipedia, although I believe it has been advised against as its poor quality, but I could find you some notable missing subjects at least. List of Romanian politicians might interest you for expansion for instance.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:03, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Since I will be revisiting all of these as the database expands and adding information, I am not particularly concerned regarding the idea that these stubs will remain orphaned and lonely without attention. The Wikipedia portion of the project is actually rather minor and done as an add on to my project (which you can find here). Those stubs that remain unexpanded will be auto-updated as the project database (and later data warehouse) adds data fields. Those stubs that acquire their own curators will have subsequent relevant project data dumped into their talk page along with sourcing and sample usage. I have hoped that an early established part of the routine of my project would be to share the wealth, establish stubs, and create a methodology for taking structured data and sharing it in this (and other) semi-structured projects in an automated fashion. That's led to the compromise I've chosen. While I might be interested in a personal way regarding Romanian politicians, eastern catholic topics, and science vs scientism, I'm unlikely to get what I hope will be a firehose of volunteer contributions for these other topics. Wish me luck, I'm going on my first recruiting expedition this saturday. TMLutas (talk) 19:10, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

To all / whom it may concern: I, too, share the concern over the many one-liner articles with bad abbreviations, etc. I am a very active editor for Arkansas schools and school districts and have created (likely) 100 plus articles. As an example, I just modified the Carlisle School District (Arkansas) article to include an infobox school district and content. While I can't promise a speedy upgrade to these articles, I will be tending to them in time.

Regards: Djharrity (talk) 03:41, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Added infobox following your template and modified the text of my auto-stub. That was simple enough. The NCES.ED.GOV data integration is likely to take longer. TMLutas (talk) 06:14, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Ah, I've just looked at your latest, Delano Joint Union High School District, and am delighted to see you're already sorting the stub. Thanks for that - explains why I haven't seen an enormous deluge of these at Category:Stubs for sorting, just the three I found just now. But the expanding "CA" to "California" and linking the county would still be helpful. If any counties then show as red links I guess they'd be alternative spellings needing redirects, or something like that, unless there are gaps in coverage of California counties. PamD 17:54, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
And it might be useful to link school district, as it's not a term familiar to all non-US readers. PamD 17:56, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

* Note that discussion on school districts continues in next section PamD 10:41, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of List of Romanian politicians ... and more on School Districts[edit]

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Bwahahaha! Thank you for demonstrating practically why Dr. ☠ Blofeld was, at best, optimistic above and his advice was impractical if he didn't know it, insulting if he did. You delete instead of improve guys patrol everywhere. TMLutas (talk) 14:41, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

You might live to regret that statement. I've put all of your school district articles up for deletion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hartselle City School District. We've warned you but you've continued creating these articles which are unsourced and devoid of content and would be better off put in a list until somebody can create a half decent articles. We're not a database, sorry.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 09:37, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

In case you didn't know, every single school district in the US is in at least one list. Many of them are in multiple lists so your AfD suggestion that they be put in lists instead is a bit impractical. I have generally reacted positively to suggestions that would improve the article. My reaction to your suggestion that I go play elsewhere was, well, perhaps not my best moment. The idea of inducing me to go edit elsewhere as if that solves something certainly was not yours. Since I've seen dozens of other education stubs with the same or even less information in them, perhaps you'd like to run your swathe of deletions across those too, for consistency. Or is this a personal matter for you at present and you're not actually looking for too short stubs, but rather looking for *my* stubs? TMLutas (talk) 09:56, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Personal? You were warned by at least three experienced editors not to create these, but you've continued to do so.Seriously, they're not helping the encyclopedia, and in all honesty they are the sort of articles which nobody touches for 5 years. They're of no greater value than the lists. I can't understand your thinking, it would be different if they were all full articles on another wikipedia which need translation but they're really going nowhere. At the very least they should have 1 or 2 sourced facts.If you're going to create the type of articles which nobody develops then you should try to make sure they're half decent upon creation. Trust me on this, I know from experience.By all means, show me a batch of different school articles which concern you and I'll assess whether AFD is appropriate or not.Most articles can be expanded but the reality is most don't on topics like schools, and if they are it is usually vandalism by pupils or unsourced junk.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:05, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Are you seriously challenging that the address data I got came from the Census Bureau? Or is it the website address? Are you challenging that these are actually the appropriate district websites? The stubs currently *have* two pieces of information in them and they're mostly sourced in the submission edit summary. You can verify by asking the Census people for a preliminary copy of their 2012 census or you can just go off their 2007 which is available without special request. The vast majority of these governments haven't moved around in the past five years. You aren't pointing out discrepancies in individual articles but doing a blanket challenge on grounds you are actually refuting here in comments so I must ask, have you even attempted to fact check? TMLutas (talk) 10:27, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Address data??? This is an encyclopedia, not a database or phone directory. I'm not questioning the accuracy of the addresses I'm questioning why you think articles with no facts but an address are encyclopedic. As I said it would be different if the articles existed on another wikipedia and you were simply creating them to try to bridge the gap. When there's notable lists like these to transwiki it saddens me that you're working on these of no value.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:32, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
But it's actually not true that there are no facts but an address. I actually added the address stuff later, *on request* because another editor provided a template for an infobox and asked me to add it in. You know, adjusting my practices to take into account positive suggestions to improve my stubs. You seem to be fixated on inducing me to play in another part of Wikipedia instead of providing actual positive suggestions to add the data. Go transwiki to your heart's content if that's what floats your boat. It's inappropriate to keep pushing me to do that work which, at the present, simply doesn't appeal. Let's try this as an alternative. If you pull out a few NCES columns that you think would take care of this problem, I'll add them to the database and rework the stubs so they'll hit your standards. I will not, however, play guessing games as to which facts are "encyclopedic" and which are not in your opinion. You get to say that. I don't want multiple rounds of this, just the one. TMLutas (talk) 10:46, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
I just read your last edit to your comment, asking me to do more work that aligns with your interests instead of my own. I didn't have any concern about the stubs I mentioned. I just made a little mental note along the lines of "oh, somebody else did some stubbing similar to mine and they've lasted". So no, I'm not going to help you in turning more blue links red. I think it is destructive no matter who you do it to. I just think that if you're only doing it to my stubs, that's evidence of something more than a different opinion on the right way to stub. TMLutas (talk) 10:34, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
My interests? Your user page says "Interested in politics" and "I speak Romanian". I was trying to think of something constructive you could do which might interest you, not insult you. That you understand Romanian I thought would be several hundred times more productive for wikipedia, if you don't want to use your talents on here then fair enough.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:45, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
My time is taken up with the database project, government oversight of US governments, a small bit of which touches Wikipedia. That puts Romanian politics in the freezer until I have product to ship. Do you wave ice cream at dieters too? Are you surprised when the dieters don't appreciate that either? TMLutas (talk) 10:54, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
  • I'm glad to see that you're now linking the county and expanding "CA" to "California", thanks. It would be good to add the full stop after "United States", as I suggested above, to complete the sentence. Also: (a) there should be a "*" before the official website under "External links" to make it a bullet point; (b) As you've got the full title of the district (used in article title), why not use it in lead and in infobox title, instead of an ugly abbreviation as in Sonoma Valley Unified School District; (c) I still reckon it would be useful to link school district as a US-specific (well, certainly UK-obscure) term. Or just hold back on creating new ones until you get the measure of how things are going to go at the AfD? PamD 10:59, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
I'm not using the Wikipedia titles but rather the Census bureau titles mostly because in certain cases the Wikipedia titles are either non-existent or wrong. In others, the Census titles are wrong. The advantage of the Census titles is that they're never missing. I've added your other corrections and am currently working on detecting the stubs I've already made and overwriting them with the improved stub template. I'm also integrating in the NCES numbers that somebody else mentioned would be helpful and that adds another set of inconsistent names (which the infobox template even recognizes and says just include it anyway). Unfortunately, I've already come across some districts that don't appear to have an NCES number so that's going to be a bit of a mess too. I'm already holding off on new articles. I'm working more on adding data and improving the scripting. TMLutas (talk) 12:46, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
But I've just had a look at the documentation of {{Infobox school district}} and I note it specifically says, under country "Do not include the flag!" (their exclamation mark), so you shouldn't be including {{USA}}. PamD 10:59, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
removed the brackets around USA so that should take care of this issue. TMLutas (talk) 12:46, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

"My time is taken up with the database project". My point exactly, we're an encyclopedia, not a database!!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:00, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Funny, Wikipedia *is* a database. It's also an encyclopedia. The two are not mutually exclusive. How do you think the software holds the articles and runs all those lovely reports? It isn't magic pixie dust. I'm starting to think a good chunk of your problem is how I conceive and talk about my contributions, i.e. in terms of databases and that's predisposed you against trying to work with me. I'm just trying to beat out the mistakes I can find and at least fix a proper destination page because there have been large chunks of links that are simply wrong, district links pointing to individual schools in some cases, district red links in others and sometimes the district points to a district page which is a redirect to a member school. If you had positive suggestions as to what narrative text I put in there, I generally adopt those. You've taken a different approach. TMLutas (talk) 12:46, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
No, it isn't a database. Why do you think WikiData was recently created? I would agree with you though that a worrying number of articles (minor planets and asteroids, plants and insects etc) amount to nothing more than a database, but the intention is for them to all be expanded into proper articles. Would you not agree that filling the table for List of school districts in Alabama and doing the same for every state would be more productive? If you're genuine about wanting to put a "database" on here of US school districts by state honestly the best way to do it is create such lists on one page.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:30, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:FAQ/Technical for why I'm insisting it *is* a database. Anything that, as a matter of routine, provides database dumps is a database. Once again, we're talking past each other. I'm not disputing that articles need to be encyclopedic. I was bold and put up what I thought was a bare minimum in the expectation of improving it over time and going back repeatedly to distribute those improvements. The experiment was a qualified success with several editors pointing me to new data sources and improving the template and then there's your effort to kill all the pages put out thus far, which makes the whole effort more difficult. So far as I can tell you have, a priori, decided that I am going to abandon this and the improvements aren't going to happen. I don't know how to fix that other than to keep on pushing the pages through until you gain enough warm and fuzzies to understand that it *is* happening. Thanks for the pointer to Wikidata though. I'd missed that. TMLutas (talk) 18:44, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Autopatrolled notification[edit]

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Hi TMLutas, just wanted to let you know that someone has added the autopatrolled right to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the patroller right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:37, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

I was the one who granted it, but I've changed my mind and removed it for now, given that there are significant questions about these articles' notability. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 11:02, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Not notability (as governments are always notable) but rather style and completeness I believe are the major complaints. I am exclusively adding districts that are on the Census' list of governments. TMLutas (talk) 11:10, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
The articles have errors, that's what matters. Notability matters too because in entrusting you with autopatrol you could drill as many non encyclopedic articles as you wish and they'd be automatically approved as fine.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:13, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
I see, when an article has errors, you delete it. That's quite interesting as a philosophy. It's right up there with your repeated assertion that I'm not going to return to the articles to develop them further without any particular evidence of my past, present, or likely future behavior. You also seem to be arguing that in certain cases, US governments are not notable. That's just wrong. It's also interesting that your assertions above concentrated on the idea that the articles are unencyclopedic, not that they had errors. If an article has errors, I will, of course, correct them. TMLutas (talk) 12:29, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
No, we only delete masses of articles with multiple errors when they're virtually empty, don't assert notability, and are more trouble than they're worth to sort out and would require many editors to get them up to half decent status. In this case it is clearly more appropriate to start working on the lists adding data and would save having to edit across hundreds of articles. Here's proof it is a waste of time creating empty stubs on them: [2] that was created nearly 7 years ago and it was only in the last month somebody added an infobox and a reference.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:43, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
I just got finished explaining, again, that US governments are automatically notable and that all the pages are on the Census Bureau's list of governments. On this point, you are simply wrong. Since the vast majority of these pages include an edit summary explaining where the data came from (the census bureau) and I've repeatedly expanded on that, it's no longer tenable that you continue to make this error in good faith. TMLutas (talk) 15:09, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Stating where you got the data from in edit summaries doesn't qualify as a reference LOL!!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:00, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Since you know where it all came from, lay out a proper reference and I'll put in in the template. I've no objection to adding it in. It's just static text, right? Others have already done this and I've accommodated them. Have no fear, I'll accommodate your positive suggestionns too. TMLutas (talk) 22:00, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Hey everyone! So, I am the one who suggested to Ed that TM should get the autopatrolled right. I did this because he was shooting out articles at a very fast pace, on subjects that were bare-bones, but could be considered notable once more information was added beyond that they existed. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:40, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

If there's a pacing limit below which I should keep, I'm more than happy to accommodate. I just don't know what it is, so feel free to tell me. I'm running a project on the subject of government oversight that, as a side effect, will be able to add an awful lot of pages to Wikipedia (the total of US recognized government bodies is ~ 89k and I'm guessing there are tens of thousands not currently listed among special purpose governments and schools). Putting them through all at once in an automated fashion is obviously going to cause problems so I figured to not do it entirely automated and add things gradually, taking advantage of the power of crowds to improve my database as well. I can run these things faster or slower to avoid discomfort. This is a large, but not infinite subject. Nobody's going to die if the templated stubs go up over one month or three. And the next time this comes up (perhaps when the project goes international) I'll avoid the whole kerfuffle from the beginning. TMLutas (talk) 19:10, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Actually, there really is no limit, just go at whatever pace you can manage without breaking the Wiki. You may be able to get a bot to do it if you can find standardizes Census lists for these kinds of things, as it would be crazy to ask for you to do them all. I personally didn't have a problem, and really only asked to get you the right since nothing was not notable about them in general. Other than that, keep up the good work! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:43, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Expanding Census Bureau Abbreviations[edit]

Since this has become an issue, I'm going to expand out the abbreviations that have gotten some people unhappy. This is *not* getting fixed on the existing pages until the AfD goes away. I'm working entirely off wiki on these pages until then. You can see the progress tables @ Citizen Intelligence

  • 6196 instances of sch and schs expanded out to school and schools respectively TMLutas (talk) 16:21, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Mark West Union School District for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Mark West Union School District is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark West Union School District until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Nomination of Pope Valley Union Elementary School District for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Pope Valley Union Elementary School District is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pope Valley Union Elementary School District until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Nomination of Rincon Valley Union Elementary School District for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Rincon Valley Union Elementary School District is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rincon Valley Union Elementary School District until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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AFD's[edit]

If it seems wrong to you, i will desist. i was doing it as part of my work on the san francisco bay area category tree and task force. These AFD's get more eyeballs on the various articles, which may ultimately help (or hurt) the articles chances. the original, single, afd doesnt actually label any of the long list of stub articles as up for discussion, so this is not a duplicate effort. in fact, the usual procedure for such multiple afd's is to list each one separately. ps, i didnt afd the articles on non-elementary school districts, instead improved them, in addition to my having added all the articles to the task force.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:53, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

As it appears these will be kept at worst a "no consensus", please start coding something to replace every article you created with sourced data which have a reference, an edit summary isn't sufficient. the Arkansas example would be great if you can apply the data into a template to produce half decent stubs. Once you've overridden them then you can't think about creating more if they are satisfactory. I understand you not wanting to edit while the AFD is ongoing just in case.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 18:00, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

As I stated before, I'm already improving the template and the information to plug it in to off wiki. The only thing that was ever in question was whether the thousands of people I plan to distribute my code to would be greeted by redlinks or existing articles. I've asked you several times specifically what you consider a good stub and in all the verbiage between us, you either never did it or I just missed it. If the latter, I apologize. I'm dividing my time between improving the template and doing data entry to document where the wikipedia pages should go as well as starting on the page references for Sunshine Review. A fraction of the time you've spent trying to get these articles deleted, devoted to providing static text like the references to the Census Bureau and NCES would have more positive impact than the AfD process. It's your choice if you do it or not. Please do. TMLutas (talk) 18:11, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
TMLutas, I have said in the AfD debate that I support creation of these school district articles. But they ought to meet the minimum standards of useful accurate stubs, or starter articles. I am not in any sense an expert on bots or automated article creation, so I am not sure what's possible or practical. I do think that the created stubs ought to have complete words not bureaucratic abbreviations, and that the websites ought to be verified as live and legitimate. At least some quick proofreading by a human eye and mind ought to take place so that complete garbage isn't put forth as a Wikipedia article. So, I will oppose mass deletion at this time, if you can provide assurances that these stubs will be cleaned up enough to be considered useful, informative and worthy of expansion. Can you? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:44, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
What I need really is examples. For instance an example of what a proper citation for the Census Bureau is these days would be lovely. I've seen sourcing done multiple ways and no matter what way I pick, somebody seems to want to pick nits about it so I just gave up doing those sorts of edits. And frankly I don't care which style is used just as long as I can say, wasn't my idea, go take your style jihad elsewhere. I'm actually working on expanding out the more common abbreviations that the Census people were using but, frankly, none of the lists are 100% right so the name problem will remain. It can be made smaller though and I'm working on it. TMLutas (talk) 06:12, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
TM, I have supported these articles at the AfD, and I even said that you should be thanked for creating them. But I also said "I do agree with others above that TMLutas should revise his creation tools so that words like "elementary", "school" and "district" are spelled out. I also think they should create a script to go back and expand those abbreviations in the articles already created, and to put a period at the end of the sentence." Please, if you are going to create one-sentence articles (and I encourage you to do so), make that sentence meet minimum literacy standards. --MelanieN (talk) 18:57, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
All the new ones should already be doing this. I am not editing on wiki during the AfD. There are lots of articles that are fixed in template but haven't been put up. If you want to see how the template currently looks, see User:TMLutas/School district.
Well the articles will be kept, so they've given you the trickier option to go through every one of your entries and replace with a half decent sourced stubs with data. Carlisle School District (Arkansas) is a good model. I'd like the see that data in the infoboxes and the area it encompasses. I think you know it would be easier for you to start again from scratch using a form of coding to recreate and then create all 12,000 but I guess you can override your existing stubs first. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:36, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Proper citations in school district articles, and so on[edit]

Hello,

There are lots of ways to create citations which are generally accepted here. I think that it is pretty well established that whoever creates an article gets to choose the citation style, as long as it is a reasonable and accepted style. I suppose that I would be inclined to use {{cite web}}, but maybe there is a better choice. The important thing is that the articles should have a reference to an independent source. There also seem to be consistent problems in your stubs with abbreviations, such as Jt for Joint, Sch for School, Dist for District, Elem for Elementary, Unif for Unified, and so on. This is the type of thing that really bugs other editors, as does the lack of periods at the end of sentences. Can't you do some programming that would expand these irritating abbreviations?

There is no reason why you shouldn't work on trying to improve these articles during the AfD process, especially since it seems clear that there is no consensus for mass deletion. As a matter of fact, any progress that you could make towards improvement of the articles would probably ensure that they are kept. I hope my observations are helpful to you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:36, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

As I've said previously, I am working on the project, just off wiki. I'm both changing the script and continuing to process districts. You might be happy to read that I just looked up and added a basic "citeweb" reference to the template to cover the Census. The NCES stuff has a non-functional citation in it that is going to have to wait for me to figure out how to match the Census, Wikipedia, and NCES names. The method I have is currently not getting enough good matches.
I've just landed a small paying gig which might slow me down a bit but this is not something that I will be dropping. TMLutas (talk) 03:59, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Articles have been kept as non consensus to delete. So good luck with the cleanup. But if I see you generating further flawed stubs without correcting your initial errors I'll be raising my voice.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 16:35, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

The schedule is to fix the template and run the whole thing alphabetically. The flawed templates get fixed and then new articles get done right after. I'm currently running through New York right now and have a bit less than 5k districts left to go. I think I'll do a mini run of A-California which should mostly hit old districts. Would you prefer for me to wait until I get the NCES infobox stuff incorporated or make a run as soon as I get the automation working? TMLutas (talk) 17:24, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
TMLutas : Not sure if this will help you with the name differences in the various resources. That said, you should take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:NCES_District_ID - I use this in every school district article I create or modify. I can tell you from experience that states enter data into the NCES CCD differently. One additional resource you may wish to use is: http://www.data.gov/education/page/education-developers and http://www.ed.gov/developers (PS: Every federal agency must/should have an <agencyname>.gov/developers http://www.<agencyname>.gov/developers webpage. I know (this is my dayjob)! by the way.

For example about the differences in NCES Search for School Districts:

  • Arkansas school districts are usually "well-formed" and are "<Name> School District" unless the name is really long and then it is <Name> CO. School DIST." when it is <Name of County> CO. School DIST.
  • Minnesota school districts are usually semi-well formed and are nearly always "<Name> School DIST. where "DIST." is never spelled out as District
  • Other states like Illinois used "CUSD" for Consolidated Unit School District or simply and ONLY list the name of the district and remove the word(s) "School District" in the name. Others will place "EL" for "Elementary School District".
  • Related to categories. Not all states have "Category:School districts in <County Name>, <State>" but rather use "Category:Education in <County Name>, <State>" entries to include School Districts, Colleges, Universities and so on. In Arkansas, school districts often cross the boundary of a county even when the name of the school district is <County Name> County School District, it does not mean it's equal to the boundaries of the county. That said, Maryland is a state whereby the ONLY school districts that exist are basically.

While I may applaud you in your attempts to "code" these, I'm not sure it's worth it. But I've already said that. 01:21, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

It's not worth it in terms of Wikipedia. But for me, Wikipedia coding is a small piece of a larger project and one I can afford to test bed ideas on. I've gone though a bit over 7000 school district name reviews and have exactly five thousand school districts left. This morning I had a bit over 10,000 and had stupidly thought that I had gotten most of the big abbreviations out of the way. Hah! I still am pondering whether to expand Ft and Mt and for the latter whether it should be Mount or Mountain as the same abbreviation seems to be used for both without much rhyme or reason. The larger project is a form of middleware for government information in general, starting with the US and expanding out to anywhere I won't get shot for compiling the info (North Korea is an early choice for exclusion right now). Pulling information from various sources and being able to spit it out in form letter type reports is a core functionality. The functionality to do it cooperatively and in a non-permissive environment are both going to have to be developed. Thanks for playing a part in improving this section of Citizen Intelligence and improving wikipedia at the same time. TMLutas (talk) 02:35, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

school district progress report[edit]

Out of 12884 school districts labeled as governments by the US Census Bureau, I've internally tagged and labeled all but 4077. I'm running through Ohio at this point. The project continues. TMLutas (talk) 15:26, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Are you aware...[edit]

Hello! Are you aware of the existence of this page: User:TMLutas/School district? I only stumbled across it because there is a redirect to it from User:MelanieN/School district. I didn't create the redirect page; it and the one with your name on it were both created by Dr. Blofeld. I stumbled across the one with my name on it and am working to have it deleted. If this is something you are working on sandbox-style, then never mind, but if not you might want to get rid of it. --MelanieN (talk) 23:04, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

The last time I attempted to mess with Dr. Blofeld in any way, I ended up with a highly distracting mass AfD. I am inclined to let sleeping dogs lie. I continue to further my database and have matched approximately 10k of 12k school districts to their NCES numbers. When the database is up to snuff, I will be going through and updating my previous run and completing the task of creating a district page for all school districts in the US that the US census bureau considers separate governments. That is my current wikipedia focus. TMLutas (talk) 01:12, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
OK, thanks. Just so you know, I continue to use that mass AfD as a convenient list of school district stubs, and I am gradually expanding the California ones. --MelanieN (talk) 17:19, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter April 2013[edit]

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ICHTHUS

April 2013

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 357 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Thomas Cranmer, Mr.Oglesby, and Sneha Priscilla. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


From the Editor

We apologise for the hiatus in the publication of this newsletter due to unforseen circumstances leading to the wikibreak of John Carter, and so I have taken over as acting editor, and have taken this opportunity to move the publication date to the start of each month as planned, to better reflect on the previous month and look ahead to the next. This issue covers the period of time from mid-January to the end of March.

Since the last issue we have seen the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI and the election of Pope Francis. This has received much coverage both in the world media and on Wikipedia. While there is still much work to do, several quality articles have been written and the editors involved are thanked for their efforts.


This month we look ahead to Easter and the celebration of God's love for mankind through the crucifixion and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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By Gilderien


Church of the month

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This image of the Church of Saint Ildefonso, Portugal by Poco a poco was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!


Contest of the month
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Future contests, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

By John Carter




Featured content and GA report
Since the last report;

Grade I listed churches in Cumbria was promoted to Featured List status, thanks to Peter I. Vardy, and the image above of the Church of Saint Ildefonso was promoted to featured picture status.

Martin Luther King, Jr., by Khazar2, was promoted to GA status, as well Third Epistle of John by Cerebellum.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included St Mary's Church, Cleobury Mortimer by Peter I. Vardy; Marion Irvine by Giants2008; Margaret McKenna by Guerillero; Archdiocesan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity by Epeefleche; St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood by Peter I. Vardy; Vester Egesborg Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; Undløse Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St Martin's Church, Næstved by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St. Peter, Syburg by Gerda Arendt and Dr. Blofeld; Østre Porsgrunn Church by Strachkvas; Church of Our Saviour (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) by Nyttend; Dami Mission by Freikorp; Mechanicsburg Baptist Church by Nyttend; Acheiropoietos Monastery, by Proudbolsahye; T. Lawrason Riggs, by Gareth E Kegg; McColley's Chapel, by Mangoe; Oświęcim Chapel, by BurgererSF; Second Baptist Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio), by Nyttend; Church of the Holy Ghost, Tallinn, by Yakikaki; Old Stone Congregational Church, by Orladyl Heath Chapel, by Peter I. Vardy; St. Joseph's Church, Beijing, by Bloom6132; Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton, by Rodw; and St. Michael's Catholic Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) also by Nyttend. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

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Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22, a cantata by the German composer J.S. Bach, was promoted to GA this month and was written by Gerda Arendt. Many thanks for her continuing work in the area of early 18th Century Church music.

Spotlight

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The Spotlight this month turns to the the Jesus work group. The scope of this project includes the life and teachings of the central figure of Christianity, Jesus Christ and aims to write about them in a non-denominational encylopædic style. Top-priority articles include Jesus, Christ, Resurrection of Jesus, and Holy Grail, whereas High-priority articles include Aramaic Language, a former FA, as well as Sermon on the Mount, Lamb of God, and Passion (Christianity). The workgroup has also published two books, covering Christ's final days and the Parables of Jesus. The workgroup has two GAs, Nativity scene, and Jesus in Islam, but unfortunately the flagship article, Jesus was delisted in 2009. It is also responsible for three WP:1.0 articles, and the WikiWork of the project is 4.56, which indicates the "average" article is between Start and C class.


By Gilderien


Calendar
This coming month (end-March through end-April) includes Easter Sunday in Western Christianity and both Lazarus Saturday and Palm Sunday for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Saint George, Saint Mark the Evangelist, Saint Stanislaus, James, son of Zebedee, and Benedict the Moor.


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Point Isabel ISD[edit]

Hi, TMLucas! I reversed the move there because the school district name actually is "Point Isabel ISD" even though the town is Port Isabel Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 05:09, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (May 2013)[edit]

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May 2013

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 363 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Pleonic, MJWilliams1998, Iloilo Wanderer, Jkadavoor, Sir Ian and McBenjamin. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


From the Editor

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This month we hear the news that the Bible is to be made into a film after outstanding success of a biblical miniseries on the History Channel, and we have seen the release of Iraqi Pastor Ali Hamzah from his confinement in Iraq.

After last month's spotlight on the Jesus work group, the flagship article, Jesus, was nominated for Good Article status after much work from FutureTrillionaire and History2007, and provisionally passed by the reviewer, although they have requested a second opinion. Our many thanks for the hard work that has gone into restoring this article to a quality piece of work.

This month the second largest denomination of Christianity, the Eastern Orthodox Church, celebrates Easter and the death and resurrection of the Son of God Jesus Christ.

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

By Gilderien


Church of the month

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Wells Cathedral was this month promoted to GA status. Rodw has appealed for any help project members can give to improve this article for a FA nomination.


Contest of the month
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. By John Carter


Featured content and GA report
Since the last report;

Featured report; Madonna in the Church, by Ceoil, Truthkeeper88, and Johnbod was promoted to Featured Article status. Crucifixion and Last Judgement was promoted to featured picture status, after nomination by Crisco 1492.

Wells Cathedral, by Rodw, Robert of Ghent, by User:Ealdgyth, Christianity in Medieval Scotland, by Sabrebd, and Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, also by Sabrebd were promoted to GA status.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included Lectionary 311, by Leszek Jańczuk; Herr Christ, der einig Gotts Sohn, by Gerda Arendt; Whalsay Parish Church, by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, Dr. Blofeld; Interpretatio Christiana, by Altenmann; First Congregational Church, Salt Lake City, by Orlady; Church of King Charles the Martyr, Royal Tunbridge Wells, by The C of E; First Church in Albany (Reformed), by Daniel Case; Pope Anastasius II, by AbstractIllusions; Iglesia de Nuestra Señora de la Palma, by Dr. Blofeld, Ipigott, Rosiestep; Colan Church, by Rosiestep, Nvvchar, Ipigott; Notre Dame Cathedral, Papeete, Bloom6132, Church of St. Wenceslaus (New Prague, Minnesota), by Elkman; St. Joseph Catholic Church (San Antonio, Texas), by Gilliam; Doubting Thomas, by Johnbod; Robert of Ghent, by Ealdgyth; and Holy Trinity Church, Holdgate, by Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

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This depiction of the Crucifixion and Last Judgement was painted by Dutch artist Jan van Eyck and promoted to Featured Picture this month.

Spotlight

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SPOTLIGHT

This month, we turn our attention to the Encyclopedic articles sub-group, which aims to provide "a collection point for lists of articles contained in other reference sources relating to Christianity, which could serve as a basis for developing our own content". Created by John Carter, it is primarily a list of links, red or otherwise, for subjects which have an article in the reference works listed therein. This serves as a very useful list if any project members are "stuck for what to do" and there remains lots of potential for articles developed from this list.

By Gilderien


Calendar
This coming month (end-April through end-May) includes Easter Sunday for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Matthias the Apostle, The Venerable Bede, and Empress Helena.


Help requests
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Proposed deletion of Eagle Elementary District[edit]

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Proposed deletion of Liberty Elementary School District[edit]

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (June 2013)[edit]

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June 2013

From the Editor

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Since its formation in 2006, WikiProject Christianity has come a long way. A significant number of new articles have appeared on a wide range of topics, and the quality of some key articles has seen dramatic improvement. Yet, by the very nature of the open, crowd-sourced development environment in which we operate, as the number of pages in the project has increased at times our attention has been naturally diluted. We should of course strive for quality everywhere, but we should remember that this newsletter is called Ichthus.

Starting this month we will start a "Focus on" series, where we will try to "bring Jesus back" and focus on him. For five consecutive issues we will focus on one aspect of the study of Jesus. The goal of this series is to inform our members of what the project contains and highlight those articles which have reached quality and stability.

From this month until November we will focus on the historical Jesus, a topic which has been the subject of much discussion on article talk pages, as well as the general media. This is an important topic, and we have a good set of well referenced articles on that now. Then, starting in December we will focus on Christ, and the spiritual and theological elements that the title entails. Following that the review of the life and ministry of Jesus in the New Testament, his miracles, and parables will take place. And each month the "Bookshelf" will mention a book that fits the theme of the month.

We hope you will enjoy this journey as we present a new aspect of Jesus each month. And given that as the number of project pages increases, the ratio of those watching the pages declines, we hope that more of you will watch some of these central pages that help define this project.

Church of the month

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The current building of All Saints' Church, Winthorpe in Nottinghamshire, England which was completed in 1888, is at least the third version of the church, which dates back to at least the early 13th century.

Good articles and DYKs
The article Jesus received the good article mark last month, as did Cleeve Abbey. A number of churches were featured on the main page in the DYK section in May, namely St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St Patrick's Liverpool, Vlah Church, Freerslev Church, Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, Mata-Utu, St. Michael's Cathedral (Sitka, Alaska), St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St. Pierre Cathedral, Saint-Pierre, Mont Saint Michel Abbey, St Patrick's Church, Liverpool, Vlah Church, St Catherine of Siena Church, Cocking, Catedral Nuestra Señora de La Asunción, Roholte Church, Notre Dame Cathedral, Taiohae, Leicester Abbey, Caracas Cathedral, Caldey Abbey, King's Mead Priory, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Hong Kong) andAll Saints' Church, Winthorpe, as well as the hymn What Wondrous Love Is This.

Focus on...

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Did Jesus exist? Did he walk the streets of Jerusalem? The Historicity of Jesus article answers these questions with a firm affirmative. Historicity does not discuss if Jesus walked on water, but if he walked at all. The issue was the subject of scholarly debate before the end of last century, but the academic debate is almost over now. As the article discusses, virtually all academic opposition to the existence of Jesus has evaporated away now and scholars see it as a concluded issue. The discussion is now just among mostly self-published non-academics.

In 2011 John Dickson tweeted that if anyone finds a professor of history who denies that Jesus lived,he would eat a page of his Bible (Matthew 1 he said). Dickson's Bible is still safe.

The article discusses the ancient sources that relate to Jesus and how they fit together to establish that he existed. The evidence for Jesus is not just based on the Christian gospels, but by inter-relating them with non-Christian sources, and the fact that they all "fit together". Moreover, the existence of Jesus is not supported just by Christian scholars and in recent years the detailed knowledge of Jewish scholars and their discoveries (e.g. Shlomo Pines' discovery of the Syriac Josephus) has proven highly beneficial. We encourage you to read and follow the article, for the existence of Jesus is central to the existence of Christianity.

From the bookshelf

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Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence by Robert Van Voorst, 2000 ISBN 0-8028-4368-9

Just a few years after its publication, Van Voorst's book has become the standard comprehensive text for the discussion of ancient sources that relate to Jesus and his historicity. This detailed yet really readable book has received wide ranging endorsements - Blomberg and Harris separately referring to it as the most comprehensive treatment of the subject.

Did you know...

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The coming month includes days dedicated to the honor of Beheading of John the Baptist, Saints Peter and Paul, the Nativity of John the Baptist, and Saint Barnabas.


Help requests
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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (July 2013)[edit]

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July 2013

From the Editor

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Welcome to the July 2013 issue of Ichthus. We focus on the chronology of Jesus, as well as looking back at the project content improved over the last month.

WP:X has gained another Featured Article, Gospel of the Ebionites, by Ignocrates. The Gospel of the Ebionites is the name scholars give to an apocryphal gospel that supposedly belonged to a sect known as the Ebionites. It consists of seven short quotations discovered in a heresiology known as the Panarion, written by Epiphanius of Salamis, and its original title remains unknown. The text is a gospel harmony composed in Greek, and is believed to have been written during the middle of the 2nd century.

St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn was promoted to Good Article status, as was two other welsh churches, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, and St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch.

The main page also featured several DYK hooks for articles in our project, namely Bob Fu, List of places of worship in Tandridge (district), Catholic Press, Garendon Abbey, St. John's Episcopal Church (Jersey City, New Jersey), Pargev Martirosyan, Praskvica Monastery, Heather Preceptory, St. Augustin, Coburg, Longleat Priory, St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, Christianization of Moravia, Christianization of Bohemia, Repton Abbey, St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch, Medingen Abbey, Elmhurst Christian Reformed Church, St. James on-the-Lines, and Leopold Karl von Kollonitsch.

Church of the month

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St. Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery is part of Saint Sophia's Cathedral, Kiev in Ukraine. It is a functioning monastery that dates back to the Middle Ages.

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 367 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Newchildrenofthealmighty, Evenssteven, Kerna96, and FutureTrillionaire. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


Focus on...

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When did Jesus live? When did he die? How do we know? We do, in fact, have excellent information about the time intervals for the life and death of Jesus. As in other people who lived and died in the first century, this gives an approximate date range, but still, give or take 3-4 years and we have pretty good estimates confirmed by a number of really diverse sources, ranging from inscriptions in Delphi to Roman and Jewish sources. The Chronology of Jesus article discusses how a wide variety of Christian, Jewish and Roman sources are used to establish the time-frame for the life and death of Jesus.

And all of his data fits together. For instance, the chronology of Paul had been discussed based on the Book of Acts long ago, then the Delphi Inscription is found in the 20th century in the Temple of Apollo. And guess what.. it confirms it and totally dates his trial in Corinth, which helps reaffirm the date of the crucifixion of Jesus. The same date range is independently estimated from the writings of Josephus on the Baptist's death. And it fits Isaac Newton's astronomical models for the crucifixion date as well as the independent lunar calculations of Humphreys. As that article shows, all these dates just fit together.

From the bookshelf

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Chronos, kairos, Christos: nativity and chronological studies edited by J. Vardaman, E. M. Yamauchi 1989 ISBN 0-931464-50-1

This two volume book (with a very apt title) is gem-filled with scholarly research. Paul Maier's article in the first volume is a classic study on the chronology of Jesus and provides a useful summary of a number of issues.

Did you know...

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This month (July) contains the feast days of Mary Magdalene, and James, son of Zebedee.



Help requests
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This issue was distributed on behalf of Gilderien, current editor of the Ichthus, at 20:34, 30 June 2013 (UTC). Comments and other feedback are always welcome at his talk page.

July 2013[edit]

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Unreliable sources reporting Kimberlin charged on Monday in Maryland with underage sex crimes w/ wife tetyana when she was 15, so perhaps sources other than the blogs will be available for both his family info, and the pedo allegations shortly. He clearly passes WP:WELLKNOWN so the allegations alone may be sufficient once well sourced. Gaijin42 (talk) 21:37, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

August 2013 WikiProject Christianity Newsletter[edit]

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August 2013

From the Editor

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Welcome to the August 2013 issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter. We focus on the historical Jesus and reflect on the last month.

The project has another featured picture, The ruins of Holyrood Chapel, a digitisation of an oil-on-canvas painting. Our top-importance article, Jesus, has been nominated for Featured Article status, the discussion can be seen here; Knights of Colombus has also been nominated as a FAC.

Ecgbert (bishop) and Church architecture in Scotland have both this month achieved Good Article status.

Our project had several of its articles featured in the main page DYK section, including Hinckley Priory, Little Chapel, St Peter's Church, Ropsley, Chip Ingram, St John the Evangelist's Church, Corby Glen, Great George Street Congregational Church, St Mary's Church, Walton-on-the-Hill and Bunge church.

Our thanks go to all of those who have worked to achieve these article milestones.

Church of the month

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This image, of Maillezais Cathedral and created by Selbymay was this month promoted to featured picture status.

Membership report
We would like to welcome our newest members, Thechristophermorris, Psmidi and Jchthys. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

Focus on...

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What was Jesus like? What did he preach? Did he claim to be the Messiah? Did he predict an apocalypse? What can we know about him outside a religious context? The Historical Jesus article discusses what can be known about Jesus with various degrees of probability. While scholars agree on the over all flow and outline of Jesus' life (his baptism by John, debated Jewish authorities, healings, and his crucifixion by Pilate) they have built various and diverging portraits of the rest of his life. These range from minimalist portraits that accept very little of the gospel accounts to maximalists who accept most of the accounts as historical.

The portraits of Jesus have at times been unwitting reflections of the researchers themselves, and Crossan once quipped that some authors "do autobiography and call it biography". However, the study of historical Jesus has made one thing clear: there is so much to learn about Jesus that the more one looks, the more there is to discover.

From the bookshelf

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Jesus of Nazareth: An Independent Historian's Account of His Life and Teaching by Maurice Casey 2010 ISBN 0-567-64517-7

In this book Maurice Casey not only draws on his special expertise in the Aramaic traditions and the Q source, but provides a comprehensive review of the various approaches to the historical Jesus.

Did you know...

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This month we celebrate the feasts of St Lawrence, St Bernard, and St Augustine.



Help requests
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Nomination of Loma Prieta Joint Union Elementary School District for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Loma Prieta Joint Union Elementary School District is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Loma Prieta Joint Union Elementary School District until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 01:24, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Good article reassessment[edit]

Peak oil, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Beagel (talk) 18:31, 5 June 2014 (UTC)