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Torlakian dialects[edit]

Hi Taivo. You can find my most recent proposal to solve the problem here. Feel free to comment on it. Best regards.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:35, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Now I see your point, but it's simply impossible to compare languages and dialects. If there is no existing article about the dialects of Serbo-Croatian, then feel free to create one instead of making a non-sense comparison. Best.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:40, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

There is not an article on dialects of Serbo-Croatian. There are articles on dialects of Macedonian and Bulgarian. If you want to create an article on dialects of Serbo-Croatian, then create one yourself. I am simply working with the articles that exist at this time. But because there are three different articles, then you need to build consensuses on three different articles. --Taivo (talk) 21:52, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
To compare languages and dialects is like to compare apples and oranges. If you're knowledgeable enough, you should surely know how to distinguish the one from the other. And please refrain from being indolent and ignorant about this issue. Leaving comments that you're "simply working with the articles that exist at this time" does not assume good faith and will not solve the problem. I need someone who will collaborate on my most recent proposal. If you don't like to do it, then I'll have to change it myself. Best regards.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:04, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Let's hear it, how do you distinguish the two? — Lfdder (talk) 00:47, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
The best linguists in the world can't reliably or consistently distinguish languages from dialects. And, Kiril, you are confusing Wikipedia article titles with reality. Perhaps you should walk away from your computer once in a while. Where we place the information about Torlakian doesn't make it a language or a dialect, it is simply placing it in the right Wikipedia article. It's got nothing to do with whether Torlakian is actually a dialect or a language in the real world. --Taivo (talk) 03:09, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
And, Kiril, you clearly don't understand the Wikipedia process of WP:BRD. Read it before you edit again. It means that if you propose a change and someone (anyone) reverts you, you do not keep trying to push the edit in the article and demand that people justify their revert. It means that if you are reverted, you have to justify the change on the Talk Page and build a consensus for the change before you edit the article again. You have the process backwards. "I need someone who will collaborate on my most recent proposal" is simply more evidence that you don't understand WP:CONSENSUS and WP:BRD. Just because you have an idea, doesn't mean that you get to implement it without building a consensus first. You don't seem to understand WP:AGF either. It also doesn't mean that if you have an idea you can implement it over the objections of other editors. If you persist in your stubbornness, there are editors who might very well report you for disruptive editing. --Taivo (talk) 03:14, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Uhm, Taivo, you are aware you just broke 3RR too? You might want to be careful, as it's now listed at WP:AN3. Fut.Perf. 10:56, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Your sneaky game against me and the block only gave me inspiration to meet your ignorant behaviour that you're "simply working with the articles that exist at this time" and thus create the article on Dialects of Serbo-Croatian. You're welcome to come back and discuss it on the talk page on Serbo-Croatian once again. Best regards.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 01:35, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Read WP:NPA. And perhaps you didn't notice that it wasn't me who reported you. Indeed, I warned you that someone else might. But you ignored me and all my warnings about WP:BRD. Apparently you have learned nothing new. --Taivo (talk) 03:28, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
This is not a personal attack and sorry if you understood it as such. I know that you didn't report me and that's another business with that user, but you sent him regards on his talk page which is far from being a fair and tollerant behaviour if you're thankful for blocking other users. My intent once again for a dozenth time is not to illustrate any point, but to answer the requests that I received from readers who were complaining that some articles on Wikipedia contain disputed facts. When I came here to do it, I was blocked. That's all. So, please come back on the talk page to discuss the validity of adding link to the newly generated article Dialects of Serbo-Croatian instead all of these dialects as it's the case with the articles on Macedonian and Bulgarian. You mentioned yourself that you're working on the existing article and now there is such an article. Best regards.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:58, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
You were blocked because you refused to learn or to follow long-established rules of how to get things done. You were blocked because you ignored the warnings of others and proceeded to do what you wanted to do without working to build any WP:CONSENSUS. If you follow that path again, you will be blocked again for a longer period of time. And "sneaky game", "ignorant behavior" are indeed personal attacks. If you don't think they are personal attacks, then perhaps you need to reconsider your participation in the English Wikipedia. --Taivo (talk) 10:48, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Sorry if you got it wrong, but personal attack for me as well is to see that someone is content with my block and is even thankful in public about it. But our business here is not to compare our egos and to collaborate on improving content's quality. You still didn't answer on my call to consider the inclusion of the article I've recently created. Best. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:23, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

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Population inflation[edit]

... this time at Polish language, in case you're interested. — kwami (talk) 13:38, 10 November 2013 (UTC)


Hi, I've just reverted your recent edit to Comanche as changing (White Eagle) to (Coyote's Vagina) seemed rather odd. But then I took a look at your user page ... so, perhaps you could enlighten me about the name and maybe redo the edit with an explanation and/or supporting reference. Thanks, Vsmith (talk) 13:41, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Ach ... never mind, I just took a look at Isa-tai and restored your edit. Too quick on the trigger there - sorry 'bout that. Vsmith (talk) 13:51, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Useful study[edit]

Hi Taivo, I posted the following at Ivan Štambuk's page, but I think that you, kwami and JorisvS could find this useful too when countering Balkan nationalists defecating on the talk pages and articles involving BCS.

--- "Hi Ivan, I was directed to a paper describing an experiment done a few years ago by an American linguist, John Bailyn, concerning Croatian and Serbian. He basically had Croats translate several Serbian texts and found that the results support the single-language hypothesis on analysis of grammar alone because of the lack of modification done to the texts. No doubt this is another blow to the nationalist braintrust on Croatian Wikipedia that continually resorts to ad hominems and non-linguistic argumentation to preserve the image of Croatian and Serbian being different languages like Dutch and German or Danish and Swedish. The study is at" ---

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Check your[edit]

email. Dougweller (talk) 14:41, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Taivo,

You made a comment in an old discussion that "Indo-European" ... preserves a very archaic bifurcation into "Indian world" and "European world". Sort of leaves out Iranian, Armenian, Anatolian, etc. Actually, I don't think it reflects any such bifurcation. "Indo-Germanic" was coined in 1810 for the languages "from the Ganges to Iceland", simply reflecting its geographic extent. Celtic was not yet known to be IE, but Iceland was still the western extreme, so that might not have mattered. Bopp preferred "Indo-European", and "Indo-Germanic" seems to have fallen out of favor outside of Germany some time around the world wars, though I can't tell if anti-German sentiment played a role. (It's still "Indo-Germanic" in Germany.) So AFAICT it doesn't reflect an archaic bifurcation any more than Uto-Aztecan or Oto-Manguean do. — kwami (talk) 02:38, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

I think you hit the nail on the head with "old discussion". I can't remember what the issue was or why I made the comment. Context is everything :) --Taivo (talk) 21:23, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
It was in the discussion to move the Tai–Kadai article to its current name, where you said that it wasn't the only family name to reflect an obsolete classification. It's not important any more, I just came across it again and thought the point might be relevant in the future. — kwami (talk) 23:03, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Middle Persian[edit]

Would you happen to know or have an opinion about this statement, "Middle Persian was highly inluenced by the Aramaic language. It is estimated that about half of its vocabulary was Semitic in origin."? It was recently added to the Middle Persian article.[2] --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:59, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

I doubt the "half" part, but the rest is certainly true. Aramaic was the lingua franca of the Persian empire and Mesopotamia until the rise of Arabic. --Taivo (talk) 22:03, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Cool. So besides the "half part", do you know of a reference that supports, "Middle Persian was highly influenced by the Aramaic language."? --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:10, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Lithuanian language[edit]

Please read this section: Talk:Lithuanian language#Suggestion: Adding an IE words comparison table to this article, and write your opinion. Zyma (talk) 17:49, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Taivo, still waiting for your answer. Please answer on my talkpage or Talk:Lithuanian language. Thanks. --Zyma (talk) 11:21, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Bosnian language[edit]

The term is of convenience [3]. Please find another forum to dispute the encyclopedia Britannica. Further attempts to disrupt a proper, reliably cited, elucidated understanding of the term will only take this matter to the noticeboard. POV-hijacking of the article will not be tolerated. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 22:13, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

@Taivo: Actually, I don't mind "term of convenience", since that's what it seems to me to be: A hybrid name due to the lack of an acceptable unitary name, sometimes replaced w BCMS etc. But I see no point to the note: if s.o. dn know what SC is, that's what the link is for. This just seems to be Praxis getting upset that "Bosnian" isn't part of the name. Shall we just delete the note altogether? I don't see how it adds anything to the article. — kwami (talk) 07:15, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Inappropriate backstage deliberations. There's a relevant talk page for this. Let me remind you of Wikipedia:Ownership of articles. Kwami's claims have been refuted. Bias in the style of "it doesn't seem necessary so let's get rid of it" won't do either. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 16:25, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Praxis, Encyclopedia is not a reliable LINGUISTIC source. It is a general source, but when actual linguistic sources exist, then it is of secondary quality. And I don't appreciate your attempts at stupid wikilawyering. If Kwami and I want to have a discussion on my talk page, then we will. --Taivo (talk) 14:57, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Fine. It's all over with now anyways. Let's just move on. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 21:04, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Silesian language[edit]

(Lechitic languages / West Slavic languages) Could you please help on this?--Sobiepan (talk) 01:01, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Administrator explicitly said that you should calmly discuss, the revert in this edit-war leads to blockage account. Franek K. (talk) 01:20, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Actually, I suspect that Sobiepan's contributions need to be investigated. This is not a one-off incident over whether Silesian is a language or a dialect but, rather, part of a distinctly POV-push for the Polonization of content in a multitude of articles. I'd be happy to introduce a number of dubious & misleading changes flying under the radar (such as slipping WP:OR links contrary to the sourced content). --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:12, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
1. Dear Iryna , please check it on Slavic languages, 2. Pomerania was inhabited by Pomeranians a Lechitic tribe (a subgroup of the Poles), so the language they spoke was West slavic 3. Your last edits could be considered Wikihounding...--Sobiepan (talk) 07:44, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Please take care as to which policies and guidelines you invoke. Checking a user's special contributions after detecting POV blanking and misleading linking on several of your own watchlist pages is not Wikihounding, but a common sense check, or: "done carefully, and with good cause... Correct use of an editor's history includes (but is not limited to) fixing unambiguous errors or violations of Wikipedia policy, or correcting related problems on multiple articles." Considering the fact that I'd never had an encounter with you before yesterday, I'm wondering how I could be understood to be hounding you.
Judging by the context of your 'adjustment' to 'po more', I have to say that your explanation strikes me as being less than honest.
1. You did not leave an edit summary;
2. You changed the link to 'West Slavic', but left the text as 'Slavic';
3. I know several Slavic languages and know that the term is not exclusively West Slavic. Nevertheless, I checked the cited source which explicitly used the term 'Slavic'.
I have no interest in 'hounding' you but, after your exchange with me on my talk page yesterday, should I see any changes made by you on any articles on my watchlist, I will be checking them thoroughly to ensure that you don't accidentally slip unreferenced information into cited text. It's common sense. Thank you for your patience and understanding. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:27, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Rûm and Southwest Paleohispanic script[edit]

Would you happen to have some information regarding these two articles? I have not been able to find much in the way of reliable sources. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:31, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Revert on Uto-Aztecan languages[edit]

Hi, would you please explain your revert on Uto-Aztecan languages? Thanks Rjwilmsi 08:23, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Date of information is relevant for websites, where the information may change over time (such as Wikipedia). It is unnecessary and irrelevant for published scientific journals where the articles exist on paper and never change. --Taivo (talk) 10:20, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
"date": I assume you mean the |accessdate= parameter? I agree that |accessdate= is not relevant for a scientific journal as it's a stable source (whether printed or online). However, my edit added |doi=, not dates, so I'm unclear? Thanks Rjwilmsi 10:27, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
No, not "access date". "Date of information" is completely immaterial and irrelevant to a printed scientific journal where the information never changes. It is irrelevant. (Ever notice that is is never a part of scientific referencing in printed works?) --Taivo (talk) 22:41, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
You mean digital object identifier? You seem to be confused as to the purpose of the field. Thanks Rjwilmsi 22:47, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
I stand corrected. (Or, rather, sit.) --Taivo (talk) 03:34, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
OK, good that we cleared that up. So I'll reinstate my edit on the article then? Rjwilmsi 18:40, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
I think Manaus already has. For most of my life "DOI" has meant "date of information". Wikipedia's choice of acronym is rather unfortunate. --Taivo (talk) 16:21, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Retroflexes in Ukrainian[edit]

Hi, Taivo.

I try to find what is the correct IPA responses for Ukrainian š, ž, č and . All the sources I've seen use /ʃ/, /ʒ/, /t͡ʃ/, /d͡ʒ/ as you edited (however most of Ukrainian sources don't use IPA). But as a native Ukrainian speaker I hear that these sounds are incorrect. For instance, /ʃ/ and /ʒ/ correspond for Polish ś and ź which are much softer than Ukrainian š and ž. In return /ʂ/ and /ʐ/ sound very close to Ukrainian sounds and correspond to Polish sz and ż, and that makes sense.

But /ʈ͡ʂ/ and /ɖ͡ʐ/ seem to be harder than Ukrainian sounds as they correspond to Belarusian/Polish č/cz and dž/dż. However /t͡ʃ/ and /d͡ʒ/ seem to be softer in return.

I understand that my ear is not an argument for an encyclopedic discussion but this disparity sounds very rough (like /ʃɑ/ = шя instead of ша, /ʒɑ/ = жя instead of жа, /t͡ʃɑ/ = чя instead of ча, /d͡ʒɑ/ = джя instead of джа).

So, do you know some reliable sources for IPA for Ukrainian and what arguments do the use in these cases? --Dƶoxar (talk) 22:50, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Ignore your personal ideas and what you think the sounds in Polish represent. In Wikipedia, we use reliable sources and the Pugh and Press grammar of Ukrainian uses the IPA symbols that I put in. The Zilyns'kyj phonetic description of Ukrainian also uses the equivalents of the IPA symbols ʃ, ʒ, t͡ʃ, and d͡ʒ (which are š, ž, č, and dž). (I'm a linguist, I know what I'm talking about.) The sources are entirely uniform. Your perception of the sound of ʂ and ʐ is wrong as these sounds do not occur in Ukrainian at all (nor do they occur in the other East Slavic dialects--Russian, Belarusan, and Rusyn). --Taivo (talk) 23:26, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you.--Dƶoxar (talk) 06:06, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi, it's me again. Sorry for bother you, but there is a small conflict around the IPA for Ukrainian. If you have couple of minutes, just check last edits by User:Wlad Sokolowskiy of the Ukrainian phonology. We discuss this on his talk page. Thanks.--Dƶoxar (talk) 14:54, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

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Dispute at Russia[edit]

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Thought there was something fishy...[edit]

Thanks for catching this. I thought it looked ridiculously verbose and couldn't remember anything outside of the original, simple caption. Talk about taking your eye off the ball for a second... --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:41, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

It's very easy to miss those little edits at the front end of a string of "problematic" edits. Done it myself a million or two times. --Taivo (talk) 11:25, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Need your assistance[edit]

Would the Turkmen language have been in use or used by the Seljuq Empire? I have reverted Azerbaijani language term for the Seljuq Empire article since according to the Azerbaijani language article, "By the beginning of the 16th century, it had become the dominant language of the region, and was a spoken language in the court of the Safavid Empire.". Any suggestions? --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:27, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Book of Mormon Accolades[edit]

The accolades that were added are significant and I believe it should be restroed. The Library of Congress is a very selective library run by the United States government. Its collection of 100 books that shaped america is a significant accolade. Likewise, Book Magazine, considered the Rolling Stone Magazine of the book world, selected The Book of Mormon as one of only twenty books that changed America. From a historical sense, this seems accurate since The Book of Mormon prompted the conversion and movement of LDS pioneers who walked across America and into the unsettled West, creating the settlements and outposts that would lead to the settling of much of the West including Las Vegas, most of Utah, most of Idaho, etc.-- (talk) 15:33, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Those are not "accolades". Accolades are praise. These are simply lists that recognize historical significance. That can be stated in a single sentence in the text (if it's not already). --Taivo (talk) 05:34, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


Hey mate, it's Russavia here, you should know that someone has started Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Taivo but has failed to notify you about it. As you know CU should not be used for fishing under any circumstances, but you should possibly pipe in at the SPI, and after it is rejected (as should be done) you should request for it to be deleted as an attack page :) (talk) 16:18, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

great stuff Stevepeterson (talk) 05:18, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Granting permission TAG for deleted images[edit]

Granting permission for deleted images to be restored

Dear Taivo,

I hope you can help me with a serious ongoing issue.

I am waiting to submit a family history of however it has come to my attention that you have removed the uploaded images after sending an image permission to wikicommon allowing the rights of the images to by used.

I wish to provide the licence tags below as the heir of a long dead photographer. I wish to submit

and also {{PD-heirs}} – for works released into the public domain by the heirs of the creator. Previous account name: Eminenceinvest New account name: s.raza Open ticker: Ticket#2014090410015943

I hope you will accept the provided tags and kindly restore all of my photos.

Please note the Family seal File:Arms-Logo-(for-approval-v1).jpg is a seal,logo and File:Abdulkarim Farooq.jpg is a painting.

Kind regards, S.raza

I have no idea what you are talking about. --Taivo (talk) 08:40, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


Taivo, lets make peace. Although I feel extremely offended by your personal attacks and insults, I forgive you and I hope that you will do the same to me too. I will be fine if you don't, too. Life is too short to be wasted on WP edit wars. Warm regards, Steve Stevepeterson (talk) 08:48, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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Unami vowels[edit]

Can you have a look at Unami language#Vowels? Currently, the text is contradicting itself as to the transcription of the short high-back vowel. Does Goddard use /o/ or /u/? --Florian Blaschke (talk) 14:15, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

The reason I'm asking you is this edit. My suspicion is that Goddard 1997 uses /u/ and Goddard 1979 /o/, explaining the discrepance in the text. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 14:20, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I'll check it out when I get home tonight. All my books are at the house. --Taivo (talk) 14:58, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


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Alexander the Great[edit]

Stevepeterson is pushing the ancient greek kingdom in Alexander the Great article, again. Macedonia (talk) 07:33, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Apologies Accepted[edit]

No worries, apologies accepted. :) Luxure (talk) 23:07, 23 September 2014 (UTC)



Bruno Abakanowicz - he had his habilitation and assistanship in Lwow

Adam Didur - studied in Lwow

Benedykt Dybowski - professor of University in Lwow, he died in Lwow and was buried in Lwow. He received the title of honorably citizen of Lwow in 1929.

Artur Grottger - he lived and worked in Lwow between 1848 - 1852. He was buried in Lwow.

Jan Kasprowicz - he lived for 36 years in Lwow

Wojciech Kilar - he was born in Lwow and lived there for 13 years

Ignacy Lukasiewicz - lived in Lwow between 1846-48 and 1852-54. He has monument with his name in Lwow

Kornel Makuszynski - lived in Lwow between 1898 -1908 (studied and worked there)

Ignacy Moscicki - professor of Technical University in Lwow (1912-1922), rector of the same university 1925-26

Jan Parandowski - born in Lwow, lived there for 34 years

Jakub Parnas - lived in Lwow since his 15 until 57 years old

Wojciech Pszoniak - born in Lwow

Kazimierz Sosnkowski - lived in Lwow betwen 1907 - 1914 Marcus19771107 (talk) 13:41, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

If they were born or lived the majority of their life in Lviv and are buried in Lviv, then that is OK, but just because they passed through Lviv or went to college in Lviv or worked for a few years in Lviv is not enough. I'm not from Los Angeles even though I worked there for a time. --Taivo (talk) 16:25, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
You're right, but you should also applied the same rule to the other people cited in this article (and their presence were approved) - many of them also 'only' studied or work in Lwow for a while.16:34, 5 October 2014 (UTC)Marcus19771107 (talk)
It's all about consensus. Check them yourself and delete them if they don't meet these criteria. If anyone else objects then you can start a discussion on the Talk Page. You came along at a time when hyper-Polish-nationalists have been pushing an agenda. If your goal is to make the article on Lviv into a Polish whine session, then you'll face stiff opposition. But if you honestly want to be fair to both Polish and Ukrainian interests on the page, then go ahead and see what other editors think. The first problem that you will need to overcome is to stop calling it "Lwów" and start calling it by its current name--Lviv. --Taivo (talk) 17:33, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
I only wanted to add some famous (hmm, how should I say this in English - Lvivian ??) which I knew about. I am not familiar with Ukrainian history so I am not eligible to remove or add any person of this nationality. It was only a matter of criteria which should be applied, and of which I was unaware. Anyway, this is so trivial topic there is no sense to fight over (with 5 people there will be probably 6 different opinion). If nobody has an objection, I will leave it with the current status. Thanks Taivo for the help ! Marcus19771107 (talk) 18:00, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Can you assist, please?[edit]

Please see: HammerFilmFan (talk) 07:56, 19 October 2014 (UTC)


Please could you use Talk:Lugansk to explain your repeated deletions of POV material. If you do not, then you lay yourself open to accusations of edit warring over the article on Lugansk. The same applies to your deletions of the same POV material in the article on Donetsk if you find that you need to delete it repeatedly.

It is important to remember the kind of people you are dealing with.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:56, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion involving the page on Lugansk. at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Ukrainecriziz reported by User:Toddy1 (Result: ) regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. -- Toddy1 (talk) 21:23, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Eastern Europe sanctions alert[edit]

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Editor has restored link to an attack page[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Editor has restored link to an attack page regarding a recently restored link to an attack page that attacks you.-- Toddy1 (talk) 23:02, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Where is this (direct link)? I cannot find it. HammerFilmFan (talk) 19:55, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Here's where the original complaint is archived. The link in the complaint goes here. Following the link to the Ukrainian Wikipedia, we end up here. The offending editor has since been permanently blocked as a sock of another disruptive editor (who was also permanently blocked). Since we have no control over the Ukrainian Wikipedia, the attack list is still there. --Taivo (talk) 20:09, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I was going to aid you in the case but sounds like it has been taken care of, and just about every non-English Wiki is subject to some pretty crazy stuff going on, unfortunately.HammerFilmFan (talk) 05:27, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Sumerian language article[edit]

I've removed crap, and added 3 RS's for Sumerian being an Isolate, but my RS's are historical rather than linguistic [ since I don't have linguistic textbooks, :-) ] - could you add one source to the main body under Classification from a linguist? Just to nail the point home. Thanks HammerFilmFan (talk) 19:46, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Done. Added a good linguistic source to both the infobox and the main body. --Taivo (talk) 20:01, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much - may the women from Robert Palmer's "Addicted to Love" video visit you with the heads of Balkan nationalist anon-IP whackies on pikes as a pre-amble to showing you physical affection.  :-) HammerFilmFan (talk) 05:24, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't think my good Ukrainian wife would allow that last part ;) --Taivo (talk) 06:08, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

J, T, & K - please have a fresh look at Etruscan language article - isolate?[edit]

Hitting all three of you with the same msg - just recently had a look at this article, and it is mixing 'language isolate' (which everything I've ever known about it via historical sources says it is) with very recent published theories that it no longer is, or is confusingly seemingly stating it no longer is. Please look at the Classification section and correct or re-word it to make it more clear. Also, a couple of new studies has never in my field = "majority consensus opinion." Thanks. HammerFilmFan (talk) 22:48, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year Taivo![edit]

Дякую. З новим роком !! --Taivo (talk) 03:53, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Borscht and Ukraine[edit]

Please step back from your current style of editing and discussion relating to borscht and compare them with articles like pizza, hamburger, potato chip, apple pie, french fries and even Bratwurst.

You are clearly making an effort to make borscht into a more nationalist issue than necessary. All of the above examples have very obvious origins, but they do not focus on origins, nor give special treatment to the country of origin. That's because they are about dishes, not cuisine history.

There is obviously contentious editing from both pro-Ukrainian and pro-Russian editors. Neither are being neutral, though, and I'm sensing that you are also taking sides here.

Peter Isotalo 17:48, 15 January 2015 (UTC)