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This week's article for improvement (week 39, 2014)[edit]

Aqueduct of Segovia 08.jpg

Arches were used in Ancient Roman architecture to build aqueducts, such as the Aqueduct of Segovia

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Please comment on Talk:The Stone Roses (album)[edit]

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Your revert at {{Help me}}[edit]

Hi there, the revert reason is acceptable as a good faith but is it really a test edit that you left a general note on my talk page? Thanks for your time, RomtamTalkToMe 03:02, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Admin dashboard[edit]

You probably can't do anything, but it's very sick... It's bombed the "Post‐expand include size" (2045951/2048000 bytes), and the last included templates do not show - I think there are too many entries in the Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention section - one of the bots has been very busy. I'm not sure there is a cure- until the admins in that area clear the backlog. I've had to copy the parts I always use to User:Ronhjones/Adminship to make it useful (for me) again. C'ést la vie. Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:57, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Here's the scoop, Ronhjones; there are ways to trim the templates and files even more, but I have been prohibited from doing so, and I really don't care to do so at the moment. I've just quite frankly been threatened to be blocked too many times by administrators who would rather block me then discuss changes and fixing things and my interest in Wikipedia is thin at the moment. I still pop in to read the daily drama (and some of it is really funny to me), but I have little interest in getting involved. The only way to fix the problem you are experiencing at the moment is to reduce the backlogs and archive section of those pages. I'm sorry if this is not what you wanted to hear, but that is all I can offer at the moment. Good luck! — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 13:55, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 40, 2014)[edit]

IAH Aerial.jpg

Aerial photograph of George Bush Intercontinental Airport, an international airport in Houston, United States

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This week's article for improvement (week 41, 2014)[edit]

2nd June 2012 Lamb Steak 1.jpg

Seasoned and chargrilled lamb fillet steak

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Hey, T13. Do you have time to help me with some wiki-coding issues? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:37, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Depends on what the coding issues are. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 14:02, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Mostly simple stuff, like to trying squeeze specific formatting functions out of wikitable, infobox tweaks, etc. Simple stuff I expect, but it takes too long for me to figure it out -- I'm a writer-editor, not a wiki-coder. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:29, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
    • LOL... Okay, let me try wording this another way... Give me a list of the things you would like me to poke at, and I will do what I can in my gaps of free time. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 18:15, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
  • T13, can you figure out how to make Template:Infobox college football player display a royal blue background with white text reversed out for Florida Gators players? The University of Florida's primary colors are royal blue and orange, but white is used as a secondary color when necessary. We have changed all of the University of Florida and Florida Gators navboxes and infoboxes to white text reversed out of a royal blue background, with orange used as a highlight color when the wiki-coding permits it. For an example of this particular infobox in use, and the illegibility of orange text reversed out of a royal blue background, please see the Charlie LaPradd article. Please let me know if your proposed solution affects other infoboxes, navboxes, etc., before implementing it. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:32, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
    • Let me make sure I understand the question: You want to be able to have two different color schemes for one school or you want to change the color scheme for this school?
      •  Florida Gators  vs.  Florida Gators 
    Would you be interested in going a whole new direction using some kind of text shadow?
    •  Florida Gators 
    •  Florida Gators 
    •  Florida Gators 
    We can do pretty much anything. Do you have a specific look you wanted? Maybe the same way some of the text is formatted on the official site? Let me know. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 20:56, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
  • LOL@T13. Keep it simple, Show Off! White text reversed out of royal blue background, please. Here's the second issue: is the scheme used in this template (orange text reversed out of royal blue background) somehow tied to the color schemes for other templates, etc.? If so, we need to know that before making any changes with unanticipated consequences.
After we figure this out, I would like you to examine how we could use white text for all instances of this particular template, and find a way to use the secondary color (i.e. the color previously used for the text) as a stripe or other highlight to the primary color -- but we can talk about that later.
FYI, for an example of the color scheme of a typical Florida Gators navbox, please see Template:Florida Gators football coach navbox; for white text reversed out blue in a Florida Gators-related article, please see List of University of Florida Athletic Hall of Fame members; for white text reversed out of blue in a Florida Gators-related infobox, please see Florida Gators men's basketball. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:11, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Okay. So, {{CollegePrimaryHex}} is where your background colors for that template are stored by team name and {{CollegeSecondaryHex}} are where your font colors are per team name. All you need to do to change the text color for all {{Infobox college football player}} infoboxes is change the line |Florida Gators=FF4A00 (from orange) in {{CollegeSecondaryHex}} to |Florida Gators=FFFFFF (for white). If you want to add more formatting like some of my above examples, I'll have to add optional parameters and whatnot to accommodate that. You can actually do the first one fairly easily yourself if you like, while the second one would take someone that actually understands CSS and templates to properly add the code. Let me know. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 21:21, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── T13, are the team colors for this template independent of all other templates, or does it share a common color scheme with any others? Frietjes created a common color scheme for the navboxes used by the NFL and CFB WikiProjects, and I don't want to screw any of that up . . . . I know nothing about wiki-coding, and I avoid it like the plague. That's why I'm seeking you out for help. If you can execute the text color change without impacting other templates, do it and let's see how it looks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:40, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Hey, we left this hanging on Friday -- can you execute the white reversed out of royal blue for articles about Florida Gators football players that utilize this particular infobox template? If so, I have a follow-up question/request about how we might utilize orange as a third highlight color. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:27, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Yeah, sorry about that, had to go out of town for the weekend for my daughter's 3rd birthday party. All college sports use the same to color templates. If you want to change it for just one sport, then parameters will have to be added to the template to allow you to override the default color specified by the sub-templates. This is certainly doable. I'd be happy to whip this up in the template sandbox, but would like to hear your idea about orange as a third color so I can do it all in one shot. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 00:00, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 42, 2014)[edit]

CIA map of Central America.png

Central America is the geographic region that connects North America and South America.

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Template:Rotten Tomatoes score[edit]

In {{Rotten Tomatoes score}} {{Rotten Tomatoes score|0103064|citation|mdy=y}} produces:

"Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)". Rotten Tomatoes. Retrieved September 01, 2013.  Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)

It prints out "September 01" instead of "September 1", thus the cs1 date error. Bgwhite (talk) 22:56, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Bgwhite, since "September 01" is a valid date, I'd say it is a citation module error and should be reported to them. I know nothing about modules. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 00:23, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
  • It's actually not a valid date. Per WP:BADDATEFORMAT, Do not "zero-pad" month or day, except in all-numeric (yyyy-mm-dd) format. I better ping GoingBatty to make sure. Bgwhite (talk) 01:09, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
    • WP:BADDATEFORMAT doesn't cover full dates with zero padded days. October 01, 2014 seems as valid as October 20, 2014 to me. Also, zero padded days makes it easier to parse the date by bots and with javascript. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 01:21, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
      • I'm not an expert on this. My main concern is seeing the red warning disappear, whether by the fixing the template or fixing CS1. I'm just playing middle man. I usually ask Batty for date questions as I consider him an expert on this. I'll ping Trappist as he handles CS1. Bgwhite (talk) 05:05, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't see how you can say "WP:BADDATEFORMAT doesn't cover full dates with zero padded days", when the "Unacceptable" column explicitly gives "June 09" as an example. If June 09 is unacceptable, September 01 is also unacceptable. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:40, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I fixed the date format which was indeed "bad". You'll note that the correction has refactored the previous comments in this thread where the text was dependent on the template's malformed output.—John Cline (talk) 09:19, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
  • John, hopefully your edit doesn't break the bot. Once I get to a computer, I'll have to revert uyou only until that can be confirmed. I'm using the mobile editor and can't see a thing, so I'm hoping this doesn't break other comments. RedRose; July 09 is not a full date as there Is no year. Full dates with year such as what this template does (ie October 20, 2014 i) are indeed not covered and are valid. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 12:00, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
    • Okay, I'm at a computer and have had a chance to look at everything. The date isn't set by the template, it is set by the bot on the sub-pages of the template for each entry. This means I do not have to revert John's edit, the bot will do it on the next update pass. The full date (NOT covered in WP:BADDATEFORMAT) in the form of F d, Y is the date that is returned directly by the Rotten Tomatoes API (must be what they use). So, there are a couple options if you want the error to really go away. Fix the CS1 module so that it accepts proper F d, Y full dates; get Theopolisme to have the bot change what it receives from the Rotten Tomatoes API into a format that you find acceptable; or get Rotten Tomatoes to change what they use on their website and what the API returns (good luck with that). The simplest option here is to change the CS1 module to accept a correct and valid date. Regardless of what y'all choose to do, this has nothing to do with the template, and I have no control over any of it so please take further discussion off of my talk page and put it on the proper venue. Good Luck! — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 12:44, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I had just reverted my edit and was edit conflicted when posting here to inform you. What concerns me is that the reverted edit seems to have corrupted the output completely. I fear that I may have complicate matters at this point. I will wait for you to evaluate the situation before I do anything else.—John Cline (talk) 12:56, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
  • John, no worries. Neither your edit or your self reversion had any impact whatsoever on the template. This set of changes by Admin:MSGJ without properly testing in the sandbox are what broke the template as you saw it. I've reverted that problem. You are now back at where my previous comment left you with needing to change how Rotten Tomatoes returns info from the API or changing the CS1 template to allow F d, Y full dates with years. Good Luck! — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 13:06, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I've posted to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Acceptable formats (2). --Redrose64 (talk) 18:35, 14 October 2014 (UTC)


Hi there, Technical 13. I wasn't sure whether replying to the e-mail directly would work, and since you linked to your user page in your signature, I thought I'd move the conversation here. I neglected to mention my existing username in my application (my bad!), but I'm the one who applied to use the username HotnBOThered, and I just wanted to respond to a couple of things in the e-mail you sent me.

First, I wanted to mention that bots do not require approval unless they intend to make non-test edits or their activity would otherwise be disruptive (i.e., downloading all of Wikipedia). This is covered at WP:BOTAPPROVAL in the paragraph starting "Operators may carry out limited testing of bot processes without approval...". That, of course, does not negate the other reason you mentioned for not creating the account, which is that it violates the current username policy because the name implies it's a bot (at least I'm assuming that's the part of username policy you were referring to). There was already a recent note on almost the same topic at Project talk:Username policy#Non-bots with, so I brought up my concern there, if you were interested in following it. RobinHood70 talk 16:03, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Thanks for coming to my talk page RobinHood70, this is indeed the best way to reach me. I didn't say that all bots require approval, what I said was that bots require approval to get the bot flag. You are more than welcome to use any account that doesn't violate the username policy to make bot edits to your own userspace for example (which don't require approval). Once one want to break that barrier however, you will need approval to get the bot flag. I will comment on that discussion once I research what Nyttend was trying to say. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 16:15, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Redrose64[edit]

Thanks for pinging. Actually, the six admins who protected the template have performed their protections over a space of six years. This is a rather long timescale compared to how quickly situations with same-sex marriage around the world have been changing in the last few years. Therefore, I disagree that WP:Involved doesn't apply, but I'm neutral as to whether Redrose64 acted appropriately.

Given my strong IRL view on same-sex marriage, I think it's appropriate for me stay out of the main discussion. (Please reply on my talk page or give me a ping if you reply here.) Deryck C. 21:47, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Deryck Chan, four 1 week protections (of which only one was at the proper tier of protection in my opinion) is much less than two separate previous administrators protecting it infinitely. So, I maintain that any other administrator that came across the situation would have done exactly the same (or actually would have acted more severely). That means to me that WP:INVOLVED doesn't apply. The great thing is we actually don't have to agree, as that is what makes everything work the way it does. As far as my interest in the topic goes, I support SSM, have many friends and classmates from when I was growing up as a kid that have been waiting a long time for it to be available. I don't know if that makes it mean anything more when I say that adding places to a template for places where SSM is legal where it is not currently legal (doesn't technically matter if it was at one time or is going to be in the future, it's not now) technically do not belong until it becomes legal in those places or until it is guaranteed it will happen (so, there has to be no sources that introduce a reasonable doubt that it may not happen). Anyways... Back to my schoolwork (taking a Java course and a C++ course I need to get caught up in). Have a wonderful day or evening or whatever it is wherever you are. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 23:08, 17 October 2014 (UTC)


Dear @Technical 13:, in July I have asked you to review maintenance tags you have previously placed on my article. The reason is that I have significantly reworked my article after your feedback. Now I noticed that you have archived my request without providing any feedback.

This is the the last version of your talk page, when my message was still present.

So, would you please be able to review my article again or alternatively recommend who else can do it? (I am not that familiar with Wikipedia rules)

Original text of my request:

Technical 13, now, when the article Spider_Project_(software) has been restored, I would like to ask your time to review it once again and consider removing if not all, then at least some of the maintenance tags, which you placed in March. As I mentioned, I have done quite a considerable work with references. In addition to the changes in the article I have also provided point to point response on your comments at the Talk:Spider_Project_(software).Ev2geny (talk) 19:53, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Any editor can do it. You can do it. If you think everything has been fixed, remove the tags. If someone disagrees, they'll come along and retag it. Really easy. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 20:06, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Ok, thanks. Will do. In any case, since you know the history of it, please consider looking at it some moment when you have a time.Ev2geny (talk) 21:48, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 43, 2014)[edit]


Inside an ice hotel in Jukkasjärvi, Sweden

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INFOBOXFLAG, OVERLINK and personal space[edit] It should apply to user space. It sets an expectation in users that flags and linking to nations is acceptable. Perhaps that should be discussed. I tested the template, but apparently not enough. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:35, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Walter, this is a bit of an overstretch on your part. If you want to effectively ban flag icons from user space, you need to take this up on the MOS:ICON talk page. Making potentially controversial edits to a template in wide use, without notice and consensus after discussion, is a probably not the best manner in which to proceed. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:44, 20 October 2014 (UTC)