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Global account[edit]

Hi Tenebrae! As a Steward I'm involved in the upcoming unification of all accounts organized by the Wikimedia Foundation (see m:Single User Login finalisation announcement). By looking at your your account, I realized that you don't have a global account yet. In order to secure your name, I recommend you to create such account on your own by submitting your password on Special:MergeAccount and unifying your local accounts. If you have any problems with doing that or further questions, please don't hesitate to ping me with {{ping|DerHexer}}. Cheers, —DerHexer (Talk) 12:56, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year[edit]

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Happy New Year![edit]

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HAPPY NEW YEAR Hoping 2015 will be a great year for you! Thank you for your contributions!
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Beauty and the Beast[edit]

Hi Tenebrae, thanks for the "thanks" re: my reversion of plot bloat at Beauty and the Beast (1991 film). It probably wouldn't hurt if I could con you into leaving a quick, perfunctory note on the talk page. Based on some of their other edits, I see a pattern of adding bloated plots, so establishing some opinions early might help us down the road. A good day to you! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:13, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for your recent trimming of the 2010s section in Daredevil (comics). I've long felt that section was a little too bloated, but I haven't been keeping up with the series for the past decade so I wasn't sure which elements are important and which could be trimmed. I appreciate it.--NukeofEarl (talk) 16:39, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

I meant to reply to your post to my talk page a lot earlier, but I got distracted. Sorry about that. But yeah, I'll add Superhero to my watch list and have a good look over it.--NukeofEarl (talk) 18:01, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Gooseberry Sprig[edit]

Thanks, but—why? It was already cited. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 04:50, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Like your style[edit]

…where, for style, read editing standards. Cheers. (talk) 15:36, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Who or What is Ro?[edit]

Just curious about this source. It is quoted quite often on Jack Kirby's page (Jack Kirby), but it doesn't link to anywhere. Is it a published magazine? Palsunstar (talk) 07:45, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:CaptainAmerica109.jpg[edit]


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A Barnstar!
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Tenebrae, Hang in there and don't let the trolls get you down!
Mtminchi08 (talk) 04:42, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Happy Bottom Riding Club[edit]

Thanks for taking the time on the article about one of America's famous aviatrix. She is kind of a hero of mine for her flying ability and who she knew in the early days of Edwards Air Force Base. I have been to the base museum several times and she was commonly referred to as Pancho and she loved that name. I noticed you changed some of the names to Barnes which may seem normally appropriate but I believe Pancho is more appropriate as that is what all the early test pilots like Chuck Yeager called her as she preferred that. Could you please change some of those back as I believe it is more appropriate here. It was also her flying name as well. Vive la Pancho! (talk) 14:07, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks for creating the new Fanelli Cafe article, and for expanding Wikipedia's coverage of historic restaurants. NORTH AMERICA1000 01:03, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


I just made edits and added two relevant citations, which you removed. Please explain why they were removed? Thank you. Jpop73 8:31, 26 February 2015‎


Can I get your professional opinion of an edit that I just made at Marvel Cinematic Universe, I'm not sure that I like it. There's also a discussion about it at Talk:Marvel Cinematic Universe#Earth-199999.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:09, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

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TV RfC[edit]

You've misinterpreted the closer's comments. As I explained at WT:TV, you asked two questions:

  1. Do we need to cite everything
  2. Can we use a stopwatch to time episodes

The closer has ignored the first question and concentrated on the second. This is reinforced by his statement on his talk page: If someone wants to start an RfC to discuss whether inline citation is required in the infobox or not, always assuming that the source of the figure is established from reliable independent sources, then that is a different question (emphasis added) That is why I asked the question on his talk page, but he didn't seem to get what I was asking. For the re3cord, you'll note that his edit summary for the close said Sadly, this cannot end in anything that will be enforceable. There's certainly nothing in what he has said to justify this edit, which is redundant at best, as sources are supposed to be third party. --AussieLegend () 03:14, 21 March 2015 (UTC) JzG has now confirmed that the question of inline citations needs to be addressed separately, rather than being bundled with the question of whether stopwatches can be used in lieu of citations. --AussieLegend () 13:17, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Please note that the closer has now clarified everything at WT:TV#Rfc close, specifically stating, amongst other things, The RfC close has nothing to say about whether running times from reliable independent sources have to be cited inline in infoboxes Please do not be tempted to read anything into the procedural close of the RfC beyond the simple fact that no RfC can decide to allow original research of this kind. --AussieLegend () 10:59, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

This is a smokescreen. No one but you is talking about inline citing. The only thing the admin closer said is "third-party sourcing is required". That's not "reading anything into it." Those are the admin's exact words. Trying to misdirect and obfuscate by claiming that this is about inline citation when it is not is being deliberately misleading. You're better than that. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:05, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Smokescreen? really? You started a discussion at Template talk:Infobox television and started talking about cithing runtimes. You've been persistently arguing that runtimes should be cited in that discussion because that's what WP:FILM does. The RfC question starts with Do TV-show running times in the TV infobox require a citation to verify them and you've persistently been arguing that we should cite runtimes. You even insisted on one for Melissa & Joey, even though it took me less than 30 seconds to find a source that verified it, and you've added content to the infobox documentation saying that sources are required specifically for that parameter. --AussieLegend () 15:30, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
I have not said anything about inline citations since the RfC ended — because I accept the RfC's decision. (I even reverted myself almost immediately when I inadvertently made a mention of citations in the template.) So to say I am advocating for anything except "third-party sourcing required", as the admin himself put it, is a smokescreen. I have not said anything about inline citations since the RfC ended.--Tenebrae (talk) 15:33, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Given your history in the discussion it was not clear that you are no longer pushing for inline citations, especially when you insisted on one for Melissa & Joey and added the text to the infobox instructions. I can't find anywhere that JzG said anything was a smokescreen, although you've now used the word 3 times. --AussieLegend () 15:44, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
I think, ironically, you were reading things into my comments that weren't there. I'm not sure why it wasn't clear I was not pushing for inline citations, since I used that wording repeatedly (15:05 22 March: "No one but you is talking about inline citing."), but that's OK. In the interest of showing good faith and "putting my money where my mouth is", as the saying goes, please take a look at a comment I just posted at Template talk:Infobox television/doc#Runtime parameter as per RfC close and subsequent admin reiteration where I say, in no uncertain terms, what you are saying: That no inline citation is necessarily required. If you think we should even add that to the embedded note — well, yes, of course. I really do think we're ultimately on the same page.--Tenebrae (talk) 15:51, 22 March 2015 (UTC)


Just letting you that I mentioned your name in the phabricator. Hope you don't mind.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:00, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks and the respect is mutual.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 17:19, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Favorite book on writing[edit]

Hello, Tenebrae. Thanks for the "thanks" on "which/that/which" over on "Brian Williams," and for the note. It's always fun to get a note on Wikipedia. From what you said, and from your mention of Strunk & White, it seemed you and I might care about the same sorts of things, and so I commend to you my favorite book on writing: The Practical Stylist, by Sheridan Baker. Here's a link from Amazon to my favorite edition, the one from 1962.

I don't have a copy at hand right now, but I think I remember Uncle Sheridan on "which v. that" as follows: Test every "which" to see if it should be "that"; and then test every "that" to see if it should be gone! That's where I get into trouble: once I've dumped my "thats," subsequent editors are forever putting them back in. For example, they'd prefer I write to you about "the book that I like best on writing," rather than "the book I like best . . ."

I love talking about this stuff! Best -- Bruiserid (talk) 04:43, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

I also want to thank you, in return, as I see you are a great contributor to the site. Cheers. JosephSpiral (talk) 21:33, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


Hi Tenebrae, though I see the logic, your tagging of Oklahoma Film Critics Circle Awards 20XX articles with G8 unfortunately wasn't a valid use of the tag; it's for more clear-cut dependencies rather than inherited lack of notability. I do think it might be a good idea to start an AfD for probably the entirety of Category:Oklahoma Film Critics Circle Awards though. Sam Walton (talk) 19:04, 7 April 2015 (UTC)


Hello stranger, long time no talk. Hope all is well. Figured you might be interested in commenting on this, I want to reach a consensus on this once and for all lol. Discussion is here about the removal of non notable awards on film articles. Play nice ;) LADY LOTUSTALK 12:04, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Avengers: Age of Ultron[edit]

Hi Tenebrae! I was just wondering if you were fortunate enough to view a press screener yet for the film? I'm planning to take it off my watchlist soon to avoid spoilers, and knowing your press connection, was hoping you might keep a watch over it as you've done with other MCU films in the past if you had. Thanks!!! - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:57, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Also if you want to take the first stab at the plot after the first wide release.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 17:43, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Favre1fan93, TriiipleThreat: I'd be happy to pitch in. It's good. Love the Vision, who's got a touch of classic 1960s Silver Surfer about him ... you know, about the savagery of man and yet that spark of the divine that may etc. Love that stuff. It moves so fast, though, I need to see it again. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:00, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Wonderful! Glad to have the help and know the page will be in good hand until the "regulars" have all watched it. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:38, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
I see someone has just added a summary, I didn't read it but did check the word count and it is way above 700 words.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 17:46, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
To you both, I am no longer watching the page. If you really need me on something non-plot related, please leave me a message. See you back on the page in 9 days. Also, Adamstom.97 should be watching the film before us, so hopefully he can help keep it under control as well. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:46, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm not watching it either, but still trying to maintain the Reception section while avoiding plot info.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 19:52, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Just To Let You Know[edit]

Saw your edits on the Farnsworth page and I think they're fine. I don't need to do anything else. I'll leave the motivation to my dramas. (I have another answer to your post to me, on my page, too.) Playerpage (talk) 22:18, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


The OTRS permission was accepted. There's no copyright issue anymore, as the content was released; only/maybe notability.Willy Weazley 19:01, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

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A cookie for you![edit]

Choco chip cookie.png Thanks for your help with Avengers: Age of Ultron while we were away. The article still needs lots of eyes.-- TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:38, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Grin and Bear It[edit]

If you delete mine, you have to delete the one from this article too.

The various links to this comic strip ([1], [2], [3]) no longer work and that strongly supports the idea the strip ended. I can't find "official" confirmation of this.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:12, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Also [4], [5], and [6]. This particular newspaper does not run the Sunday strip. I could forward the email I was sent but I understand that's not regarded as a "reliable source" either. I responded to the email saying I needed an official announcement from King Features or a newspaper article.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:39, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
The email I received had no details. It just said the strip ended. But I have possible good news. While I read the strip online during the week, the weekend strip appeared in a newspaper I see at a library which has an almost daily feature where people ask questions. I may also see a mention of the replacement strip when I look at the paper at the library, and that would be likely to have an explanation. The newspaper's web site is pathetic, though, so I'm not likely to see anything there without searching for it and even then ....— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions •
Sounds good, as long as the person responding is from the newspaper and not a letter-writer from the public. --Tenebrae (talk) 18:16, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
It never occurred to me to look at older articles. I had no reason to read this one in the real paper (the headline said it was about street musicians), but when I realized I hadn't looked online for anything, I found it.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 15:27, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Trying to help...[edit]

Heya, apologies for the unsolicited drop in...just wanted to say that while I think you're making a number of good points at WT:FILM, I'm concerned that your tone is undermining your credibility, potentially polarizing people and maybe even dissuading some people who might support your views from getting involved.

Feel free to utterly ignore what I'm saying. Just trying to help. I understand that you're frustrated and all (there are reasons why I disengaged from the situation), but you know what they say about flies and honey and vinegar and all...

Anyway, if you want to chat about it I'm totally cool with that. I won't say anything further about this unless I hear back, and I apologize if you feel I'm jumping on your case at all. Cheers! DonIago (talk) 19:30, 6 May 2015 (UTC)


Hi. I’m bringing this here to your Talk because it seems way off topic to discuss there.

At WT:FILM, I said: “I’m not accusing you of making up the problem; I’m just asking where the problem is. — (talk) 22:42, 6 May 2015 (UTC)”

But then, you called me “Someone who has accused other editors of making up a longstanding problem … --Tenebrae (talk) 00:08, 7 May 2015 (UTC)”

I’m still pretty sure I’ve never done that. Please explain; if I’ve been making accusations without realizing it, I would very much like to know, so I could stop doing it and apologize for it. Thanks. — (talk) 02:06, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I apologize if my rather forceful request (“Name one”) came across as insulting. I did not assume anyone was imagining the problem; rather, I thought the previous requests for concrete examples had been ignored or overlooked (and if I overlooked prior examples that had been given, I apologize again). I can see how it might be taken as an “I don’t believe you, prove it,” but that wasn’t how I meant it.
I don’t think anyone is seriously suggesting we should list anything and everything that ever claims to be an award. Ideally, to me, we should list every award with a reliable secondary source, as long as this wouldn’t result in an unreasonably long list; this should prevent them from becoming too indiscriminate, I think.
Anyway, I’ll leave you alone and stop talking about this now. Take care. — (talk) 20:28, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Refactored comment[edit]

Hello, I notice that you continue to edit my personal page Grace Gealey with incorrect information about where I was born. Regardless of your resource, my actual place of birth is Butler, Pa. and moved to Grand Cayman in my toddler years. There are other various articles that state this. I would appreciate if you would discontinue the editing. Thank you. Ggealey (talk) 11:45, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:A Letter to Momo#Good article push[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:A Letter to Momo#Good article push. Thanks. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:18, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

New articles[edit]

Hi Tenebrae,

After taking a break from Wikipedia (only one edit for the entire month of April), I'm now back and been inspired to create three new articles. Check out José Delbo, Adrian Gonzales (comics), and Randy DuBurke.

Mtminchi08 (talk) 04:40, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Logo description in the lede[edit]

I made my case here Talk:19_Kids_and_Counting#Logo_description_in_the_lede, before you reverted. - Cwobeel (talk) 03:40, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Jamie Dornan's image[edit]

There has been a conflict over the use of the infobox image in the Jamie Dornan page, I'm hoping that a vote for which image might be preferable would settle the dispute. I am therefore writing to those who have edited Jamie Dornan page to voice their opinion in the Jamie Dornan Talk page so we can reach a consensus. I would welcome your opinion. Hzh (talk) 11:41, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:A.D. Vision#B-Class?[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:A.D. Vision#B-Class?. Thanks. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:32, 30 May 2015 (UTC)