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OWGR Points

I was going by the OWGR website that posted them today. Diddlyman2004 (talk) 18:39, 14 January 2014 (UTC)Diddlyman2004

Yes, they are labeled "Proj 1st Points". In the FAQs, they state "Each eligible tour can send their fields to OWGR, who will project a SOF and 1st place points. Each tours SOF and event rating is finalised once all players have teed off in the first round". If one or more top 200 OWGR players or top 30 home-tour players withdraw before teeing off, the points can change depending on the replacement player. Tewapack (talk) 18:42, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Babe Zaharius

Hi Tewapack:

Thanks for your contribution (the undo) of Southeast to southeastern Texas. I've seen it both ways and almost changed my mind after I made the change. As you review my other edits, please feel free to undo any that you disagree with. I'm a huge Babe Zaharius fan and want to do her justice with her Wiki page. Most of the changes were grammatical and/or syntax as I took the lead from others regarding content and facts.

Regards Josophie (talk) 21:49, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

extra space in the mountain west standings template

Why do you keep adding all the extra space from the end of the team name to the standings? Does it serve a function I don't know about? As far as I can see it adds nothing visually to it. Why do you do it? Bsuorangecrush (talk) 05:03, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

The extra whitespace is so that the W/L's line up vertically if you are using a constant-width font in your editor. It makes it much easier to edit the win and losses and sort by percentages. It has no effect on the display of the standings table. Tewapack (talk) 18:23, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


Hi. I am conducting a survey of most active Wikipedians, regarding reasons they may reduce their activity. I would be very interested in having you participate in it. Would you be interested? (If you reply to me here, please WP:ECHO me). Thank you for your consideration, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:08, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

No thanks. Tewapack (talk) 19:22, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Categories of birth and death years on golfer biographies

Hello, could you please explain to me why the golfers on Wikipedia have the birth and death categories at odd places within the list of categories (usually at the end)? The rest of Wikipedia seems to have these categories at the start of the cats.Hoops gza (talk) 01:00, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

From WP:CAT, "The order in which categories are placed on a page is not governed by any single rule (for example, it does not need to be alphabetical, although partially alphabetical ordering can sometimes be helpful). Normally the most essential, significant categories appear first.". I tend to order categories by order of importance, golf categories first (in a logical order - nationality based, tours played in order of membership if known, achievement/award type cats, post-playing career cats, "Golfer from" cats, etc), other categories by importance, from place categories by date if known, then the least important, birth/death cats. Tewapack (talk) 05:35, 4 February 2014 (UTC)


Hello. Thank you for helping me out with . How did you do it ? I mean how did you import all the data for the table ? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silver gasman (talkcontribs) 22:06, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I copied the data from the Olympic site into Excel, manipulated it, and pasted into the article. Tewapack (talk) 23:58, 15 February 2014 (UTC)


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Thanks for that catch...

I didn't mean to insinuate they would get into the NCAA tournament. Most teams pages have a spot for regular season and conference tournament championships. I added the 2014 thinking I was adding it to the regular season champions section. Obviously I didn't look closely enough so good catch. Thanks. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 16:07, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Mexico Open

What I was saying is I was redirecting to a disambig, not that the redirect is a disambig. Changing any redirects can break links. I can fix them. Enigmamsg 17:50, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

If you want to create Mexico Open (golf) and fix all the links to Mexico Open - great. Then I have no problem with changing the redirect. Tewapack (talk) 17:55, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
I don't see the need for Mexico Open (golf). I can fix the links to send them to the Mexican Open (golf) page, where they belong. Enigmamsg 18:00, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
It is now all corrected except for userpages. You want those also? Enigmamsg 18:10, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Sigh. The tournaments were known as Mexico Open those years, not Mexican Open. So a Mexico Open (golf) redirect will help track those years thru the "What links here" link. Tewapack (talk) 18:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Sigh. Enigmamsg 18:24, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

New golf event making its debut this year (2014)...

Hello to you, Tewapack. I have noticed that you love to edit and add/delete items in topics related to the sport of golf. I do not know what to do, with the new LPGA event called the International Crown. I wonder, if you like, want to create a subject called the 2014 International Crown here in Wikipedia. Well, I could do it, but only to a degree because I am still a novice in creating topics, like this one. Yes, I did create the general International Crown page here, but other editors helped me out with a bit of details here and there later on. I like to give you the honor of creating the 2014 International Crown page first, should you want to do it. Either way, I will respect your decision. Rockies77 (talk) 02:09, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't see much point in making a 2104 IC article yet. Why not wait until it is closer to the event and more details are available. Tewapack (talk) 04:22, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
I have just seen your work on this topic. Thank you very much for making the first International Crown page for 2014. I would have messed it up big time because I do not know how to make one on this scale. Rockies77 (talk) 04:52, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


You keep changing First Round to First round on season articles. Just curious if there is actually a standard to why you are doing that. I don't care either way but previous seasons for almost every team have both capitalized. I do it that way to keep it uniform with how it has always been in the past. So if there is no standard, I would say capitalized both because that is how it has pretty much always been done. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 05:16, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

The standard of WP is to use "Sentence case" not "Title Case" for article titles (WP:TITLEFORMAT), section headers (WP:HEADINGS, table headers (MOS:TABLE), etc. - see WP:MOSCAPS. Just because it's been done wrong in the past doesn't mean we can't correct it now. Tewapack (talk) 05:25, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for all of your help during conference tournaments on college basketball pages. I kept lots of conferences, mostly the smaller conferences, up to date pretty much by myself for much of the season. It's nice to have some help now towards the very busy end of the season. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 18:05, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. Tewapack (talk) 18:07, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Feedback, please?

Hey Tewapack, I came across you while linking a page I'm working on to the 2010 and 2011 NCAA Men's Golf National Championship pages. Do you think you could swing by my sandbox and take 20 seconds to let me know if the golf section looks better if I use the tables, or the information below the tables for each year? It'd be a great help. Any other suggestions for me as I work on expanding the article in my sandbox for the time being would be appreciated as well. Thank you! GRUcrule (talk) 15:39, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I'd suggest the text below the tables. Showing the Sagarin (top 100, overall) records might be confusing since they aren't match play records. Tewapack (talk) 17:21, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
That makes sense. I'm just trying to put the season in perspective on each of the starters, and I felt those two stats painted a decent enough picture without throwing too much in there. Any suggestions on how I could do that? I'm thinking of just making a new list below the paragraph and listing them. Thanks! GRUcrule (talk) 18:24, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
I think the year-end ranking sums it up best - unless you look at the ref the other records are pretty meaningless. Tewapack (talk) 19:05, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank ya kindly for your thoughts! The page is live at Georgia Regents Jaguars with your suggestions intact. I appreciate it! GRUcrule (talk) 18:36, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Just curious

Why you are changing all the tournament info in the info box on teams pages? In previous years it has always just listed the tournament and the round the team got to, not also their opponent in that round and the score. It seems way to cluttered and all but one team in each tournament will be listed as a loss. There obviously is no standard but I don't see any reason to change how it's been done in past years. And for the NCAA tournament, don't list it as the round of 64. It's the second round, that's what it officially is according to the NCAA. Yes, I get the argument that that may be confusing considering only 8 teams play in the first four round but it is officially the second round. If anyone is confused by that then they can go look at it on the tournaments page. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 04:38, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I saw all kinds of info going into those parameters so I looked at the documentation for the {Infobox NCAA team season} template and followed the example. I went with Round of 64 because it is unambiguous. Tewapack (talk) 04:49, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Unambiguous yet unofficial. Shouldn't it be listed as what it's officially called in the tournament?Bsuorangecrush (talk) 04:53, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Not necessarily, see WP:OFFICIALNAMES (about article names but the same reasoning applies). Tewapack (talk) 04:58, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
And I did look at that template so I guess it's fine that you followed that example. I changed a few of them since I had not seen it listed like that over the years I've been doing it but I'll stop. You can change them back if you want. I still say it should be second round or third round instead of round of 64 and 32 though. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 05:02, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Nick Kellogg

Was trying to write my first article, it got declined for not being notable. Didn't know if you could check it out, any help would be appreciated! I see you're active on mid major articles constantly and could use your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Littlekelv (talkcontribs) 23:15, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, he doesn't seem to meet the notability guidelines at WP:NCOLLATH or WP:NBASKETBALL. Tewapack (talk) 21:27, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


Thanks for the recent updates to the pages I've been making. Tracland (talk) 17:21, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Alexander Levy

Could you confirm the reason for de-catagorising the Volvo China open as a win on the OneAsia tour on page Alexander Levy? I'm very confused as the tournament was co-hosted by both the European and OneAsia Tour as per 2014 European Tour, and from what I've seen elsewhere on wikipedia the win is usually then listed and categorised separately for each tour. (i.e. as the Maybank Malaysian Open is listed as both a European Tour and Asian Tour win on Lee Westwood).

I could understand if you just didn't think it warranted inclusion in table form, but to remove it altogether seems pointless as it is a win on this tour. I haven't changed it back without your response to this but will consider doing so unless I get a reply.

Regards Tracland (talk) 19:03, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

If Levy was a member of the OneAsia Tour it would make sense to duplicate the win. Since he is only a member of the ET and doesn't have any other OnAsia wins the duplication seems unnecessary. Tewapack (talk) 19:49, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
But surely Westwood isn't a member of the Asian Tour. I don't think it detracts from the article to have both listed, then if and when he does go on to win events on either tour or future co-hosted event the detail is already there. I think his article should say that he has a win on the OneAsia tour as it is a win on this tour even if he isn't a member Tracland (talk) 20:02, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
But Westwood has other AT wins, so the MMO is listed twice. In Levy's case, it is list as being co-sanctioned with OneAsia under ET wins so the info is there, no reason to duplicated it unnecessarily. Tewapack (talk) 21:25, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Ok thanks for clearing that up for me. Should he win further oneAsia comps should I add it then?Tracland (talk) 19:05, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, that would be appropriate. Tewapack (talk) 19:28, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Template for deletion

I noticed you opened up Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 April 30#Template:Portland Open Invitational winners the other day. I opened up Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 April 30#Template:Sportspeople from Portland, Oregon right after you without even realizing the TfD you had created (funny timing I suppose). Anyway, thought I'd drop you a line to get your thoughts on the latter TfD. Jrcla2 (talk) 17:20, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

World Golf Village

Every article in a subcategory of Category:Census-designated places in Florida is also in that category; my edits today added fewer than ten to that category that were already in a subcategory. If World Golf Village should be removed from the main category, so should every other article in it. --NE2 05:31, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

A little confusion

Hello, thanks for your help, but I think there is some confusion about this year's Sunshine Tour schedule. When looking closely, there are two similar looking events, the:

Mopani Copper Mines Zambia Open, played May 15–18, winner Wallie Coetzee, and
Zambia Sugar Open, played June 5–8, winner yet to be determined.

If this is correct, then that means the Mopani Copper Mines Zambia Open page should not redirect to the Zambia Sugar Open page, but rather have its own information filled out for its own page. The Mopani Copper Mines Zambia Open might possibly be a new event, causing the confusion. Perhaps you might fill out the appropriate information for the Mopani Copper Mines Zambia Open page? Thanks Johnsmith2116 (talk) 17:52, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

The Zambia Sugar Open is the new event, see, but has the same name as last year's event. I'll create a unique redirect for last years event and kill the redirect from Zambia Sugar Open to Zambia Open. Tewapack (talk) 18:11, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

-- I'd appreciate that. Yes, the winner of the other event a few weeks ago, Wallie Coetsee, is currently listed as the winner, but there has to be two separate pages for the two different events. That way, we'll be able to enter the winners' names for each event. Thanks again Johnsmith2116 (talk) 18:03, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I've created a new Zambia Sugar Open stub page for the 2014+ event. I created a Zambia Sugar Open (2013 event) redirect and corrected the 2013 Sunshine Tour and Adilson da Silva pages. I think that covers it. A similar thing happened on the Champions Tour several years ago (Allianz Championship/Principal Charity Classic) and on the LPGA Tour years ago where two events had the same name in the same year. Tewapack (talk) 18:11, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

-- I found the new one you made. Thanks for that and all the corrections. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 18:25, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


Are you referring to this item? Only hyphens, apostrophes and periods/full stops punctuation marks should be kept in sort values. All other punctuation marks should be removed.... Wouldn't that imply that it should be "Reno Tahoe Open"? ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 00:55, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but the endash gets replace by a hyphen, see, for example 2013–14 NBA season. There's a bot that would eventually do it if I hadn't, in fact it already did in this edit. Tewapack (talk) 02:17, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Ah, no wonder I was confused when you pointed me to SORTKEY; it doesn't explain what you did. Would you please fix WP:SORTKEY? I am so confused by SORTKEY, it would be great if it was at least correct. Thanks! ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 17:04, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Tour Naming

You've reversed one of my entries regarding a Senior tournament being on the Legends tour. You're technically correct, but I see a lot of inconsistency regarding the naming of events. For example, the Sunshine Tour didn't exist under that name until 2000. It was founded as the "Sunshine Circuit", split into two tours in the early 90s, became the South Africa Tour when the re-merged in 1995, then renamed the Sunshine Tour. But many pages, for example Gary Player, call events even as far back as the 1950s by more current names. Same issue with the Australian / Australasian tours. What would be the normal naming convention that would be customary to use here? Ocfootballknut (talk))

I think the most common usage is to use the name of the Tour that the played last played/won under. This applies to Champions Tour/Senior PGA Tour, Web/com Tour/Nationwide/ as well as the ones you mentioned. The tournament in question, Legends of Golf, was an unofficial tournament until 2002, so shouldn't be labeled as a Champions Tour/Senior PGA Tour event. The specific entry was I reverted was for 1978 when the Tour didn't exist yet. Tewapack (talk) 14:44, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Another question ... Is there any reason the various State Open Golf tournaments should be listed as "PGA of America Sectional Tournaments"? That category currently includes opens in Arizona, California, Hawaii, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, New England, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Northern California, Northwest, Ohio, Oregon, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin. I know the various PGA sections probably sponsor those tournaments, but I wouldn't think they'd be classified as Sectional Tournaments. Thoughts? Ocfootballknut (talk) 02:30, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Those opens are run by the PGA section, that's why they are listed under both. There are also non-sectional championships in that category as well. "Category:PGA of America Sectional Tournaments" is for all tournaments runny the sections, not just the sectional championships. Tewapack (talk) 05:01, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


Hello - just wondering if you've had a chance to see this topic: Johnsmith2116 (talk) 17:17, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Category:Years in golf

Please, read WP:EPON rule, see structure in Category:Years in association football and revert your edits. NickSt (talk) 18:35, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Will do. This could have been avoided if you'd included an appropriate edit summary. Tewapack (talk) 18:37, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Children's names

To be fair, some of the golfers' children's names are publicized. Like one only has to look at Kevin Streelman's Twitter account or read the news reports. Diddlyman2004 (talk) 17:49, 25 June 2014 (GMT -5)

Take a look at WP:BLPNAME. Are the children's names adding anything to the article? Tewapack (talk) 22:38, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Wisconsin PGA Championship

I restored the WikiProject Wisconsin template to the Wisconsin PGA Championship since this article is related to the State of Wisconsin. I did make this a stub and not a list. Thank you-RFD (talk) 15:50, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

My apologies, I meant to change the "class" to "stub" instead of "slist", missed the WikiProject Wisconsin addition. Tewapack (talk) 15:52, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you-RFD (talk) 16:06, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

SoCal Pro

Interesting change on Ed Dudley. Makes me wonder about Olin Dutra. He won the SoCal PGA tournament 6 times between 1930 & 1940. His page says that the PGA listing is missing 3 victories in that timeframe. If the 1928 tournament was considered a formal PGA event, then maybe 1 or more of Dutra's victories in that same general timeframe count as well. Not sure how to research that (on-line), though. Ocfootballknut (talk) 03:17, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Emily Bastel

Tewapack, I'm going to create an article for Emily Bastel Glaser, the head coach of the Florida Gators women's golf team since 2012. She was an LPGA golfer for several years, and earned $176,000 doing it, so she must have generated some pro stats. Are you willing to find her LPGA career numbers and key details and layer then into the new article? Thanks -- please let me know. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:02, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Sure, I'll add what I can. There are stats out there (not much on for non-active players) and she won the 2007 Futures Tour PoY award and at least two tournaments. Tewapack (talk) 22:12, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, sir. I ran into the LPGA lack-of-stats problem already. Unless you object, the new article will be named "Emily Glaser" (married name that she is using professionally now), with a redirect from "Emily Bastel." Also, anything you can find about birth date, birthplace, full name, etc. would be helpful. lists her as a "native of Upper Sandusky, Ohio," which as you know is often used loosely to mean someone who grew up there, rather than being born there. I'll check her player and coach bios from the Duke and Michigan State sports websites, too, as well as running the usual Google New searches. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:24, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Birth info at here Tewapack (talk) 22:26, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, sir. I would not have found that one on my own. Do you often use Yahoo Sports Canada?? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:57, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
I knew Yahoo would likely have bio info on Bastel, I'm not sure why it was Sports Canada that turned up in my google search. Tewapack (talk) 17:34, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Thank you for all of your work on the Bastel/Glaser article. I can't match your encyclopedic knowledge of golf references! BTW, what might you know about this guy, J. C. Deacon? He's the new men's golf coach at the University of Florida, having replaced Buddy Alexander after almost 30 years. Is Deacon notable enough for his own article now, or should we wait? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:55, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

From the UF article I found, nothing in his amateur, professional, or coaching career rises to the level of notability. Tewapack (talk) 02:45, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, that was kind of my take, too. I was hoping you had some magic notability dust in your golf bag. He may have to wait until he gets some more ink to satisfy WP:GNG. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:49, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Nationalities of Women's British Open participants

Hello - I had noticed on the W.B.O. scoreboard today that there a couple of changes from only yesterday, changes of the countries playing in them, suggesting that in only the last day, there apparently were a few withdrawls. At this this time yesterday, there were 12 English women in the field, and there are now 13; and there were 0 Northern Irish women in the field, but there is now 1 (Stephanie Meadow). Conversely, there had been 35 American women in, and there are now 34; and there had been 1 woman from Ireland in, and there is now 0. Is there a way to get updates on who has withdrawn and who the alternates are? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 17:20, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I updated the field list today: Lizette Salas (USA) out (with injury), Lucy Williams (ENG) in. Don't know about the IRL/NIR issue, probably just Meadow listed two different ways. Tewapack (talk) 18:03, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. Is there a source that shows when this happens? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 18:08, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
There's a ref in the article - sounds like a late withdrawal but doesn't say when. Tewapack (talk) 18:21, 10 July 2014 (UTC)