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A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your great work at Cippi of Melqart. An important topic which had previously been underrepresented. Thanks to your efforts it is now an excellent article. Oncenawhile (talk) 13:40, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanx! Though it's @REUV who did most of the real work; I just did some polishing... Thanatos|talk|contributions

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IPA for Isis' name in Greek[edit]

Hello. I saw the IPA pronunciation you added for the Greek name of Isis. I have a question: what does [î] mean in IPA? I can't find it on the vowel chart. A. Parrot (talk) 01:28, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Try harder... OK, just kidding. :) It's there (two symbols combined; it's just an i with a circumflex), inside the Suprasegmentals table (see also International_Phonetic_Alphabet#Suprasegmentals); Ancient Greek had a pitch accent. Thanatos|talk|contributions

Contracted Verbs: Infinitive[edit]

Hello!

I am the guilty party that edited the uncontracted infinitive from TIMAEIN to TIMAEEN. (Sorry: I can't do Greek letters.)

I took the information from Abbot and Mansfield, "A Primer of Greek Grammar", Section 119 (Bottom of page)

However, it has been rather "on my conscience", and I returned to re-instate TIMAEIN. Too late! You'd got here before me.

The only support that I have found is in Kinchin Smith and Melluish, "KEPOS-Greek in Two Years", Second Impression, 1952; Page 179. (I understand that the same material had been used in early editions of "Teach Yourself Greek".)

There is a more weighty reference, as I recall, lurking somewhere else; but I cannot, of course, find it.

With best regards

Gee — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.101.10.230 (talk) 17:20, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

In Attic as far as I know even in the Pre-Euclidean Alphabet the -ειν infinitive (spurious diphthong) was written -εν, not -εεν. There might be a case to include and present previous historical steps/forms but imo not in this specific/table article, at least not in its present state, especially when other arguably much more important, major stuff are missing from it. In any case and as far as I know the norm on presenting and explaining Attic contracted verbs is to stick to the contraction of the -α,ε,ο (and the other minor groups) "character" (as it is called in Greek) of the stem plus the -ω and other suffixes and not to include any contraction or other transformation of the latter suffixes themselves.
PS As far as I know or have read, historically the evolution of this suffix was possibly or probably something like this: Attic infinitive -ειν [< -εν (older spelling, pre Archon Euclid; -εν = later -ειν = /eː/)] < *-εεν (attested in Ionic?) < *-εἑν ( i.e. *-εhεν, or if you prefer *-ehen) < *-εσεν (or again equivalently *-esen), a sequence similar to e.g. λύῃ (2nd person sg. Present Middle/Passive Indicative of λύω; later λύει) < *λύεαι (attested?) < *λύεαἱ (i.e. *λύεhαι etc.) < *λύεσαι (i.e. ...).
PPS Whether the 'original', the much older froms are indeed attested in e.g. Mycenaean Greek (in Linear B) is something I don't recall and something I certainly don't have the time to search for at this time so I've just used the asterisks denoting reconstructed or hypothetical forms...
Thanatos|talk|contributions 05:12, 20 May 2015 (UTC)


Hello again!

(I'm using "Edit" to make this response; I hope that that is the correct procedure. I'll soon find out.)

Many thanks for all the trouble that you've taken; you've given me plenty to chew on. Fascinating stuff.

I'll keep a gentle eye open for any further info; but I certainly take your point about what is and is not appropriate to be included in this Wikipedia article.

Once again, my thanks for your courtesy, and for the trouble that you have taken, in making your response.

With best regards

Gee — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.101.10.230 (talk) 10:21, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome.
PS I strongly suggest you create for yourself an account and then edit!
Also, yes clicking on "edit" (the relevant section's, the topic's one, not the top one; the latter is used for editing the whole page) is how to the job ("New section" by definition is for creating a new section to discuss a new/different topic) when replying but the rest isn't, though as you're probably a newbie, a novice wikipedian, don't trouble yourself with this, with what you've already done but only with the future. You could start for example by using : n+1 times (n being equal to the last instance of it being used by a collocutor; i.e. if last/previous one is "" (i.e. none) then ":", if "::::" then ":::::" and so on and so forth) in order to have indentation, by using ~~~~ to sign your comments and <br> for line breaks, new lines, etc. ...
Thanatos|talk|contributions 11:12, 20 May 2015 (UTC)