User talk:The359

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Simonsen[edit]

If you keep reverting changes, the article is not going to grow, is it? In your reversion you also moved (wrongly) the reference I inserted and then moved to its correct place. It is very annoying to keep finding oneself editing a section to find the effort wasted, and the edit keep being lost. I have just spent 20 minutes typing, only to find each time I had to do it again.-- Cain Mosni (talk||contribs) 17:30, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Team titles and links[edit]

Oh God, don't say that. Haha that stuff took ages. I saw some sponsors linked and others not, and some engines linked in entrant titles and others not. I wasn't aware of any agreement, but if sponsors aren't to be linked then neither should anything else in the entrant titles, including engines etc. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:38, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Obviously team articles are to be linked, but nothing else - that's what I was trying to say. Any idea as to why it was agreed not to link sponsors etc? Doesn't seem very logical. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:55, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
I have to say that doesn't sound like a great reason to remove all the links. Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team works fine, for example, as we would do in driver results tables. If articles exist for various terms, then in a wider Wikipedia context they should be linked, according to the guidelines - otherwise readers won't know what those sponsor terms mean. "West" for example, could mean just about anything, likewise "European", "Orange" etc. There's not even anything there to say that they're sponsor names. Can you recall if it was discussed at WP:F1, and roughly when, so I can find the discussion? I'm not going to argue unduly, but I'd be interested to know how this convention came about. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:15, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, that makes sense. I see that for the last few seasons and the current one, nothing in the entrant title is linked at all, not even the team. I can't see a discussion anywhere about it, and links were removed (with no edit summary) by User:Abdul Qayyum Ahmad on the 2009, 2010 and 2011 articles. So we have a bit of a contradiction going on over the various season articles. I'll ask at WPF1 just what the current convention is. Thanks for letting me know about it. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:30, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

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Marc VDS Racing Team[edit]

I didn't realize that VDS Racing (mid 1980s IndyCar team) and Marc VDS Racing Team (present day motorcycle team) were different, I just rememberred that the last name of the owner of the 1980s team was van der Stratten and I saw van der Stratten on on the motorcycle team's page and thought they were the same only under a slightly different name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.17.60.48 (talk) 21:05, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

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A suggestion[edit]

Hello The359. I think its five years since I last said hello so let me say that I am glad that you are still editing here and I hope that you are enjoying today's 24 Hours of Le Mans. Speed TV is only missing two hours of the race this year (a record I think) and we can watch those at their website so this year is quite a treat. I wanted to send a suggestion your way and see what you thought. If you will take a look at these three articles Formula One, National Basketball Association and UEFA European Football Championship you will see that their infoboxes have a link to articles that are covering the current season/tournament/event. On the Le Mans article I had to scroll down to the "Since 2006" section to find a link to this years race (and it was a bit of a WP:EGG violation as it had been piped so that only the 2012 was showing) so I tried to add a "current event" link to the infobox but the field does not work in "Infobox motor race". So I wanted to suggest that a) the field be added to that infobox or b) a hatnote linking to this years race article be added to the top of the Le Mans article. If either of these is workable that would be great but if they aren't then please don't worry about it. Also, if you don't see this until it is too late to do anything this year you might want to consider it for 2013. Thanks for your time and cheers! MarnetteD | Talk 15:03, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

PS I thought about posting this at the Wikiproject Sports Car talk page but I didn't know how long it would be before it was seen. Also I like your "This user follows 24 Hours of Le Mans every year" userbox so I am adding it to my userpage. MarnetteD | Talk 15:03, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. Between the Deltawing and the hybrids this years race is even more fascinating than usual. MarnetteD | Talk 17:26, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Le Mans driver line-up templates[edit]

That's fair; I originally created them out of my own curiosity to see how the Audi lineup had changed over time and who had replaced who, but I was pleased enough with how they looked on my Sandbox that I thought they were worth sharing so others could get a quick glimpse at how lineups have changed over time. I was inspired a bit by both band lineup timelines and vehicle lineup timelines. Do you think the information would be valuable to retain as a non-navigation template, perhaps using the timeline functionality instead? I was considering creating similar timelines for F1 seats as well, or adding them to existing team templates. I do think Joest deserves a larger navigation template with driver and car listings throughout their history; I was thinking on working on that in the future. CuttlefishTech (talk) 18:55, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Not completely crazy re: 2013 24 Hours of Le Mans[edit]

I see why you reverted my edit at 2013 24 Hours of Le Mans. I was sourcing the print version that states there will be a demo run at Silverstone but a race debut at Spa. The link to the online version does not mention Spa but the print version did, so I just wanted to let you know I'm not completely crazy. Sorry for the confusion. 72Dino (talk) 03:37, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

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Sockpuppetry[edit]

Hey 359,

I noticed that you made a comment directed towards Eff Won on the 2012 F1 season talk page addressing his inexperience with Wikipedia.

While the patient manner you addressed him with is to be applauded, I have reason to believe that Eff Won might actually be a sockpuppet of Lucy-marie as I have noticed that several of their behaviours are similar.

First of all, Eff Won has picked out a minor detail - the lack of links to specific race pages in the calendar - and pushed to change them. He/she (one of Lucy's sockpuppets was called "Jimjames", so I never worked out if Lucy was male of female) has insisted that despite a long-standing consensus on the matter, "it needs discussing again".

Secondly, when Eff Won doesn't get his way, he starts pushing the discussion around and around in circles. He ignores comments from users explaining why they don't support his ideas, and then restates his ideas trying to keep the discussion going to rope more people in, assuming that they will only read the final comment.

Thirdly, Eff Won frequently claims that we are deliberately obscuring or suppressing "facts" about the article, particularly on the edit history page, where he makes comments like "the excuses don't stand up to scrutiny" and "please try harder to please the readers" and "all I want is one relevant link". This was also one of Lucy's favourite things to do, claiming that we're all biased (also a symptom of serial sockpuppet de Facto, who I long suspected was a Lucy account))

Finally, when this doesn't work, he describes our arguments as "not rational" and "excuses", and openly states that if we don't consider his ideas to be good, then we're clearly using faulty logic (and it's also another de Facto trait). This is one of Lucy's favourite positions to take - "I'm right, and if you don't see it, then you're an idiot".

I just thought I might let you know, just in case Eff Won really is Lucy. I hope not, because experience has taught me that if Lucy is provoked, she starts getting destructuve - she'll go into an article, and start making edits that ignore consensus before trying to force her preferred changes through by way of an edit war. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 09:45, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

We are being calm. We just needed to know what we were dealing with before we took any action. I, for one, would hate to accuse someone of acting improperly without any justification. Several others agree with me that Eff Won may be Lucy-marie or De Facto (or possibly both). I was just letting you know that some of us have our suspicions because I noted that you had addressed Eff Won as a newcomer, and based on what we have seen in the past, Lucy loves to play the inexperienced newcomer. We now feel that we have enough to open a sockpuppet invetigation. If it comes back proving that Eff Won is neither Lucy-marie nor De Facto nor any other member, we'll accept that and move on. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:21, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
I don't think I've assumed that he is a sockpuppet. I've simply restored the page to its original condition, pending a new consensus. For example, while Eff Won was making his case for links to race reports to be included in the calendar, he was making those changes. His approach seems to be "here is a change I want to make, and while we discuss it, the changes should remain in effect". My belief has always been that we discuss changes, and then we make them. Perhaps it is very conservative, but I feel that if the page isn't broken, then there is no need to fix it. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:41, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

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Weehawken[edit]

That's okay.

When we created the page for the New Jersey circuit, it was named after the nearest geographical feature we could find, because there was no official name for the circuit at the time. That happened to be the Port Imperial terminal, which is opposite the start line. But I couldn't actually find anything that listed whether the terminal is in Weehawken or West New York, so I listed both until it could be resolved. Which now appears to have happened. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 23:22, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Zak Brown[edit]

Interested to understand your suggestions on how the zak brown entry could be modified in order to remove the conflict of interest flag. thanks! Davidminety (talk) 21:58, 24 September 2012 (UTC) davidminety

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Question about a consensus[edit]

Prisonermonkeys made an edit here [1] (which I totally agree with) to remove a column of flags from the results table in the 2012 F1 season article. I saw that these flags are present in the 2011 article as well, and probably elsewhere too – he says there was a consensus somewhere to remove them, in which case I'll remove them from other season articles, but I can't find the consensus. He seems to remember that you initiated the discussion – any ideas as to what we agreed to do? Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:14, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Wow, it was March 2009! [2] How time flies. Yes, there was definitely a consensus there to use the host nation flag rather than have a flag to highlight a race title, next to the race title itself. The main objector was Lucy-Marie, who subsequently brought the subject back again and again for months. I'll roll this out to other places I see it, but I can't find anything about the flags in the results matrix. If anyone has the stomach for the inevitable conflict, maybe we could bring it up at some point. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:48, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
What I've done for now is to remove them from the table in the 2011 article, and I'll see what the reaction is before bothering to do all the others – they go back a long way. If there's a fuss it might be a lot of effort for nothing. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:57, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

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