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Page move[edit]

You have just moved a page to Charitable dispensaries in Manchester. That might be a bit unfortunate because they are rarely referred to as charitable dispensaries and in fact generally were subscription-based. Many became provident dispensaries and some, such as that at Ancoats, became hospitals. I've got a lot more to add to that and related articles but wonder if it might be best to stick to the original title. The period when these thing were formed is generally referred to as the "dispensary movement". - Sitush (talk) 14:43, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. You're right, Charitable dispensaries in Manchester is wrong for this. I've renamed the article to Dispensary movement in Manchester, which I hope is clearer than "dispensaries in Manchester", which might be taken as referring to present-day hospital dispensaries. -- The Anome (talk) 13:36, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Yup, that makes sense. Thanks. I'll try to catch up with the writing soon - I've become a bit burned out (singed?) with events elsewhere. - Sitush (talk) 16:39, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

"FOO First Nation" item should not have "coord missing" added[edit]

I just reversed the addition of coord-missing to "Saddle Lake Cree Nation", which is not a place, it is a government. Individual reserves and communities of this government will have coords, but putting coords on government pages is not wanted or needed. I don't know how many such items you've added this to, if you did it on a global setting across certain categories, please reverse it so I and other's don't have to manually.Skookum1 (talk) 01:59, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi -- thanks for spotting that and fixing it. The bot uses a variety of filters that inspect article content and categories to try to stop errors like this from happening: I'll take a look to see how this one slipped through. -- The Anome (talk) 09:21, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
OK, I've found why the bot tagged the article as a place: it was categorized as if it as was an article about a specific community, with no category that was sufficient to tell the bot that it was about a First Nation people, not a specific place. I've changed the category to reflect the fact that this is an article about a people, not a place. -- The Anome (talk) 09:27, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
This is a belated reply a year later, as I had not had your talkpage watchlisted...and I had various crises going on in real life last August, come to think of it.... one of the issues here is that a large number of FN/NA articles on bands are often written and categorized as though the governments are the same things as t he places; that's mostly been resolved in BC and NS and certain other provinces, and slow progress is being made in the Prairies and Ontario etc...what I've been doing is making any reserve redirects carry the geographic-type Indian reserves category, and taking them off government pages at the same time; many bands have more than one reserve, often discontiguous and widely spread here and there around the would be possible to give coords for the bands' offices but that would take some OR, and generally addresses are removed from articles as "not a directory" and it would be OR/SYNTH to determine the latlongs by the street addresses; many are also PO boxes in towns distant from the reserve communities....Skookum1 (talk) 02:22, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Images missing by place[edit]


It strikes me that we could reuse the logic you used in applying {{Coord missing}}, and add articles with coordinates, but no image, to a series of Category: Articles without images in [foo place]. People visiting or living in a county or city could then look at the local category to see what images are needed nearby. Someone could write an app for mobile users to do the same, based no the coordinates themselves and Wikipedia's "nearby" function. Would you be interested in that? I'll assist with grunt work. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:23, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I would. The coord tagging has got a bit dull lately as the bot is running out of low-hanging fruit to tag, and I'm looking for more challenges. Certainly, almost anywhere coord-worthy is also image-worthy, with some obvious exceptions (historical events, subterranean geological features and crash sites come to mind, for example. Rather than create a new in-article template, I think we should use the existing {{image requested}} mechanism on talk pages to do this. There's a fair bit of infrastructure to create to make this happen: I will need to create:
  • a classification of which types of articles are clearly image-worthy, using a whitelist, as opposed to a blacklist, approach
  • a reliable way of detecting pages that are missing pictures (as opposed to maps, or icons such as flagicons or stub notice icons)
  • a way of detecting the correct place to put an {{image requested}} tag on a talk page
  • a way of working out what "in" parameter I should be using in the tag to bring it to the attention of relevant WikiProjects
There are also other projects we can liase with, to make it, for example, easier for volunteers to find nearby sites to photograph or hunt down public domain images.
I'll think about this some more, then get back to you.
-- The Anome (talk) 14:38, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
OK, that all sounds good. Please ping me when you're ready to move. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:39, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Stalking you ;-) I saw User:The Anome/types of features eligible for photographs. How can I help? Why wouldn't it be easier to come up with a list of "things with coordinates not eligible for photographs"? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:20, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Given the number of articles that are eligible for images, I'd much rather take the cautious approach than be on the receiving end of hundreds of complaints for mis-tagging. Hence the use of a large whitelist of known good features, instead of a blacklist.
For an example of other kinds of things that need to be taken into account, see the Edray, West Virginia article that I found at random by clicking "random article" a few times until I found an eligible article. By looking at the output of,_West_Virginia&action=render , you can see that it contains four images: two maps, a flag, and a dot. We need to be able to ascertain that none of these is a photograph before we decide to request one for the article. Now, we can try to do this by a number of different methods: analyzing the wikitext and template parameters, analyzing the HTML, looking at categories, looking at filenames, or by looking at the images themselves. In this case, for example, file analysis would show that two of the images are too small to be photos, and the other two are low-colour PNG images. However, just looking at the filenames of all four images in this particular would show them to be derived from original SVG images, making it unnecessary to look at the images at all. But that might not be true of other images; for example, some article might have a full colour image saved as a PNG or a GIF, and the only way to detect that would be to analyze its colour histogram. Or another article might use an image that is a full-colour JPEG photograph, but only use it as a tiny icon. Or an SVG might embed a bitmap image of a photograph. And so on... -- The Anome (talk) 10:49, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
After some more thought, I think I can work my way through much of this entirely from dumps, by combining information from the template links, image links, external links and category links tables to generate a shortlist of pages for more detailed inspection. Once that's done, I can then work on devising a set of more detailed checks to be performed on-line before making the final decision of whether to add a photo request template, what the content of that template should be, and where on the talk page to insert it. -- The Anome (talk) 12:25, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Typically, an {{image requested}} would go just below the WikiProject banners, but outside the {{WPB}}{{WPBS}}, if present. Some banners provide parameters for the same purpose; for example, {{WikiProject Trains}} has |imageneeded= and |Imagedetails=, as seen at Talk:Brookfield (Cumbria) railway station. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:57, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Yes. I think the best way to do this is to add {{image requested}} tags to articles first, then, with that work done, optimize later by adding project-specific parameters to WikiProject templates. Finding out what is and isn't a WikiProject banner, and dealing with the various grouping templates, is a subproject in itself.-- The Anome (talk) 17:10, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Further to my comment above: I've remembered that there are some WikiProject banners where there is a |photo= parameter which doesn't work as you might expect (yes doesn't mean "yes, an image is needed"). See for example {{WikiProject Derbyshire}} where we find that this parameter may be set to |photo=yes if at least one photograph is included in this article; set |photo=na if this article does not require a photograph; set |photo=needs if this article needs at least one photograph to be added. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:29, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Fair enough; is it OK to edit your whitelist, or would your prefer suggestions elsewhere? Or should I go away and stop bugging you? ;-) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:26, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
No, all suggestions are welcome! I've created a "put suggestions here" subheading on that page to put them under. Entries should be in the same format as the existing entries: words or phrases, exactly as used in existing article categories (and therefore typically plural), all lowercased, and with spaces replaced by underscores. -- The Anome (talk) 17:04, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you - added some, more later. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:49, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

@Lydia Pintscher (WMDE): made a suggestion:

You could check Wikidata for items that have a geocoordinate but no picture associated with them and generate your list. Then encourage building more templates that automatically use the picture if set. See for example.

-- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:23, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I've removed football clubs and organizations from your list: they are sufficiently blurry entities that they do not always have something that can be photographed. When they have identifiable headquarters buildings or home stadiums, with their own articles, those can have photographs added. I'm aware this will lose some opportunities to add photos: but I'm happier with having some false negatives, in order to prevent false positives which might cause more harm than good. You other suggestions are great, though -- please keep them coming. -- The Anome (talk) 13:24, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
I've also removed "schlosses" from the list. "Schloss" is just the German word for "castle/palace", and these are all, as far as I can see, listed under existing "castle/palace" categories such as Category:Castles in Germany. Category:Palaces in Germany. Category:Castles in Austria and Category:Palaces in Austria. -- The Anome (talk) 14:26, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
I see you points - sometimes reluctantly - with all those except football clubs, since they all have a strip which can be photographed; as can the games they play, and usually their home grounds. I can't see a false positive in such cases, let alone a harmful one. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:54, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
I take your point. You're quite right: there are categories of things which are photographable, but not geocodeable, and things like chain restuarants (for which a photo of a typical storefront might be appropriate) and football clubs might be among them. Let me think about it some more. -- The Anome (talk) 14:57, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Football teams (generally) are geo-locatable; I added coordinates to Old Oscott FC yesterday. But if we're tagging things with coordinates only, that's not an issue, surely? Or were you thinking of tagging things with "needing photo and needing coordinates"? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:35, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm thinking of things that need photos but cannot be assigned coordinates. For example, a photo of the outside of a Pizza Hut branch would be quite appropriate for the Pizza Hut article, even though it's impossible to assign a single location to that organization; any reasonably typical example of their many branches would do. -- The Anome (talk) 18:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


Perhaps we need to revise our categories, and split those for "shopping chains" and "shop premises", or some such? Then again, if the article has coordinates, is it likely to be a chain?Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:41, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Ideally, yes. Unfortunately, no-one has cared to make the distinction sufficiently often enough, and I've had real trouble creating sufficiently accurate heuristics to tell the two apart by inspecting other categories. So I'm going to err on the side of caution for these for now. We can always re-visit these later, if needed.
Also, thanks for spotting "cultural_sites". This has led me to find "historic_sites" as another marker of geocodable articles, and I've also back-ported this into the main bot to find new candidates for {{coord missing}}. -- The Anome (talk) 14:49, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Well, I tried :-( Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:45, 23 August 2013 (UTC)


I now have a list of 1,004,783 articles which (a) contain valid {{coord}} or {{coord missing}} tags, directly or indirectly, and (b) do not have names that imply they are list articles. The next step is to use the category list to filter out types of articles for which there is nothing relevant to photograph (historical events, defunct buildings, electoral districts, etc. etc.). Then after that I can start working on how to automatically, and reliably, tell the difference between articles with and without pictures. More in a couple of days. -- The Anome (talk) 12:18, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

People can still add photographs of defunct buildings - they may be able to source them from their own or family archives, or talking to a GLAM, or searching the web for something freely licensed or out of copyright (e.g. St Alkmund's Church, Derby). Historic events might have a picture of the site, or a memorial, or a related object in a museum (a military uniform, say) or an artwork depicting the events (e.g. Peterloo Massacre). Electoral districts can benefit from a picture of a civic building, local view or even a polling station (e.g. Sutton Trinity (ward)). Thank you again for doing this. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:16, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I'm already thinking about it. See User:The Anome/geolocatable articles that are candidates for images, for some thoughts based on inspecting a random samples of 100 test pages, as well as some curious outliers found by bot-grepping the rendered HTML of some articles from a larger random sample of ~500 articles. -- The Anome (talk) 00:40, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
I doubt you meant to do this ;-) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:23, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
No, I certainly didn't -- no idea how your comment got deleted, I didn't spot any edit conflict when I made my edit. I've restored it below: -- The Anome (talk) 06:43, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Progress indeed. I don't see why we'd exclude list articles - they can still benefit from having an image or two. Regarding 101 Collins Street, I think you can ignore any images which are in navbox templates. Per Radolfzell, you an ignore any image which is in an mbox. I'd include non-terrestrial objects, as NASA may well have PD images. Per my comments above, please do not have an exclusion date for disestablished venues. Apologies if I'm teaching you to suck eggs. If you need to run a trail on a geographic subset (and don't want to give away your location), please use West Midlands/ Warwickshire/ Staffordshire/ Worcestershire/ Shropshire, as that's my locality. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:52, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. You're exactly right about the navbox images, and I've taken that on board. I'm still thinking about your other two points as part of investigating the other special cases. -- The Anome (talk) 09:45, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

More progress[edit]

I've now got a basic article-inspector working. Using some fairly cautious rules, I'm currently finding about 50% -- around 500,000 -- of the articles on my first list appear to lack photographs. There are still a quite a few false negatives, but I haven't yet come across any false positives so far. -- The Anome (talk) 00:45, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

After filtering down to only articles with a clearly identifiable country associated with them by Wikipedia category analysis so that they can each be unambiguously assigned to a Wikiproject, I'm now down to around 860k articles in my shortlist. I've also tweaked the article scanner a bit more, to be a bit more lenient in some cases where evidence from several different image tag parameters can be combined to rule out an image being a photo. Running the article scanner on a sample of those again suggests that roughly half -- about 430k -- articles are candidiates for photo requests. -- The Anome (talk) 12:49, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

More progress: most of the false positives are being generated by a few special cases, principally:

  • images in navboxes -- solution: remove these entirely at the HTML parsing phase Yes check.svg Done
  • tweak the logic for detecting stub icons to be a little bit more forgiving for some cases.Yes check.svg Done
  • images like flags, locator maps and coats of arms in infoboxes -- solution: itemizing the commonest infobox/parameter combinations which generate these, find these by parsing the wikitext, and remove the generated images from the list of images in the page before doing the rest of the analysis Yes check.svg Done
  • remove PNG/GIF images within collapsed boxes -- under consideration

-- The Anome (talk) 19:21, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

The hit rate for finding articles which are eligible for images is now around 60% with the new tweaks, up from 50% before. I have yet to see any false positives. This gives 860k x 60% = approx 510k articles eligible to be tagged, and thus slightly more than offsets the filtering by country assignment. I'm sure there are still some false negatives, but we are probably near the point of diminishing returns in terms what can be done without starting doing image processing analysis on included images.

Next step: more hand checking for false positives, and any remaining low-hanging fruit on false negatives. -- The Anome (talk) 20:31, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

The HTML and wikitext analysis stuff is now finished: the only remaining errors I can find so far from reviewing its results are a few remaining false negatives caused by diagrams and maps included as images that would require image content analysis to distinguish from photographs, something which at the moment just isn't worth developing and debugging to get a couple percent higher hit rate. Enough information will be present in the bot's logs to revisit these pages later, if so desired. -- The Anome (talk) 14:04, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

This all sounds good - so what next? Apply for permission? Create some categories? Write some documentation? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:42, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm now working on the final code to filter the articles by type -- building, populated place, etc. -- and to then find the right place in the talk page to add the {{reqphoto}} tag. Then it will be time to request permission from the bot managers to do a test run of say, 100 articles to start with: then 1000, then 10,000, then finally the whole 500,000. I don't plan to integrate the tagging into the parameters of project infoboxes just yet: I see that, and the subcategorization of place tags into subnational entities, as being a job for another bot pass later on. -- The Anome (talk) 21:05, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
This is continuing. Converting the various other categories into reqphoto categories alas requires manual construction of a mapping between the two. -- The Anome (talk) 12:56, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
How're things going? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:51, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
*ahem* ;-) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:59, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Any chance of an update, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:47, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Maintenance template dating issue[edit]

Please see this; my error, compounded by your bot. Is that something you can check for? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:51, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to WikiProject Invention[edit]

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Hello, The Anome.

You are invited to join WikiProject Invention, a WikiProject and resource dedicated to improving Wikipedia's coverage of inventions and invention-related topics.
To join the project, just add your name to the member list. Northamerica1000(talk) 09:24, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


Brilliant Idea Barnstar Hires.png What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
Don't know what prompted the creation of Catacomb saints, but what a great idea! I'll see what I can add to it - I seem to recall a particularly good story about such a "relic" being toured through nothern France during the 30 Years' War to boost morale among Catholic troops. Anyway, keep up the good work! Stalwart111 11:53, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Ha ha, mutual barnstars! Thanks! I thought it might make for a good DYK candidate but couldn't think of a hook. Thoughts? Stalwart111 13:39, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
I've acknowledged it needs a better hook but I've nominated it at Template:Did you know nominations/Catacomb saints anyway. Stalwart111 06:56, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Excellent. -- The Anome (talk) 08:29, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

re: Is there a scientific definition of "shake well"?[edit]

I was wasn't as careful about the way I phrased that sentence as I thought. So on second reading I did modify it here specifying shaking " ...the container". I was trying to avoid this. Tsk Tsk! Face-wink.svg - 220 of Borg 16:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC).

DYK for Catacomb saints[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Teahouse Invitation[edit]

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Hello! The Anome, you are invited to join other new editors and friendly hosts in the Teahouse. The Teahouse is an awesome place to meet people, ask questions and learn more about Wikipedia. Please join us!

Tariqmudallal (talk) 15:32, 15 September 2013 (UTC)


Cornflower blue Yogo sapphire.jpg

missing coordinates and images
Thank you,second-wave Wikipedian, for quality articles such as Catacomb saints, for knowing how little we know on nouns and villages in Afghanistan, for "looking" for missing coordinates and images, for "I take your point. You're quite right" - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:10, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! -- The Anome (talk) 09:14, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

A question about Amplituhedron[edit]

Hey bro. If you have any interest in the matter or know any Wikipedian who could help out, a question about Amplituhedron here (

Thanks - (talk) 20:31, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

India coords[edit]

Hi. I know it's been a long time, but I thought I'd mention it in case it might be a bigger problem...

With this edit, The Anomebot2 added coords to Bilaspur district, Himachal Pradesh. Unfortunately, there is also a Bilaspur district, Chhattisgarh and it is the co-ordinates for that district that were added instead. I don't know what the source data looked like, but if it did not include the adm1 division in which an adm2 is supposed to lie, it would be good to look for possible dups like this. There is at least one more such duplicate district (Hamirpur district), but it did not get the wrong coords (diff times, sources, etc. though). Anyway, FYI. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 01:00, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. This shouldn't happen: I'll take a look at the data and see if there's a way that this particular case could have been detected and prevented. Of course, if the source data is wrong, the GIGO principle applies and all bets are off. -- The Anome (talk) 14:32, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

AfD closure[edit]

Regarding this - AfD closure templates are, in fact, subst'd; your un-subst-ing it broke the page in a way that meant the system thought it was a still-active AfD. I've reclosed it, but please bear that in mind in the future, thanks. - The Bushranger One ping only 10:55, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the article Sexual desire[edit]

Hello, i was reading the article Sexual desire of which you are a contributor,Sir..Under the para PHYSICAL FACTORS AFFECTING SEXUAL DESIRE i was expecting the find something about the 'time that has passed from the previous ejaculation in men'(being the reason that during the short term abstinence in sexually active men, they feel a high urge to indulge in sexual activities) affects their sexual desire..but there is no mention of the specific thing in the article..i have been anxious about this as i have to continue my research project on libido.. Sir, can you please help me find out the reason for why could i not find this fact here..many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ed beerman (talkcontribs) 08:28, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

It's a very good question, but one I'm not qualified to answer. Have you considered asking on the Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science? The editors there may be able to help you better than I can. -- The Anome (talk) 10:57, 21 October 2013 (UTC)


Could you tack a {{resolved}} or whatever it is to WP:ANI#Disruptive IP range please? Chris is trying to start shit up with me again.—Ryulong (琉竜) 18:24, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for unblocking the range while this gets sorted out. I think the editor is well-meaning, but unaware of the situation. Also, I am not "trying to start shit up" as Ryulong claims, but he did make a report that the editor was a vandal and no action was taken, and that was only yesterday.[1] I'm not sure what the issue is but the editor from the Philippines doesn't seem to be bad faith and the edits throughout the history seem to be correct, locally speaking - because they are not released in North America. Dare I say it... but throughout the history I see lots of useful information being removed and it is more than just the names. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 20:46, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
I never said that they were being done in bad faith. The only thing this editor has done is change spellings and add the word "the" before every single robot's name. I have made multiple requests for him to stop changing the spellings and stop adding the word "the" before every robot's name but he never responds because he just switches IPs again. I thought that maybe I could get another respite but no. Now I have to deal with this shit again today. And you know you are trying to start shit up, Chris, because now I can't do anything on WP:ANI without you chiming in against me.—Ryulong (琉竜) 00:48, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
You need to stop being dramatic, Ryulong. I mentioned your interaction with the user at User_talk:Ryulong#Rollback_and_BITE at 23:42, 26 October 2013. You made the ANI report at 09:33, 27 October 2013. My concern about your AIV post with the editor preceded your ANI report. It appears that because your AIV did not lead to a block so you made one at ANI. I'm not "starting shit", but I believe it is reasonable to be concerned and detail what I stated at your talk page. Let's not forget that some usage of English is also different for special cases the usage is more or less correct depending the reading.[2] As the use of definite article or its omission is inconsistent, but if it is such a problem, you know where requests for page protection is. It will at least require registration and likely a clear direction to talk pages if they lack competence. There are better ways to go about what you did without resorting to labeling their edits as "vandalism". Now I believe we have disturbed The Anome's talk page quite enough. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:46, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
The fact AIV did not lead to the block is irrelevant. I have been dealing with this problematic editor for longer than you and I have been in dispute, and the last time I went to request protection they put the page on pending revisions which honestly does jack shit other than prevent the edit from being made live, which isn't the problem here. Also, when dealing with proper nouns for which there are no other such entities, the definite article seems redundant.—Ryulong (琉竜) 02:39, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
As far as I can see, this is a content dispute with a side order of non-communication, and not a matter for AN/I. Both Ryulong and the IP editor appear to be acting in good faith in the belief that the edits they are making are improving the article, and both of them have some justification for their point of view, as the two issues here, Layda vs. Rayda, and definite article vs. no definite article, are arguable either way. I agree with the posters at AN/I who suggested the use of edit summaries and inline comments to try to establish communication with the other editor. Give it a try, and come back if there's no resolution after a month or so. -- The Anome (talk) 10:23, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Last I checked, dealing with non-responsive editors was exactly a matter for WP:ANI.—Ryulong (琉竜) 15:06, 28 October 2013 (UTC)


Hi. Could you look at this case in WP:AN/I please? Thanks is advance, Raamin (talk) 03:58, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I've blocked the IP for one month, and notified them of the AN/I discussion. By the way, I think I should mention that when you mention another user of WP:AN/I, you're supposed to notify them that you're doing so. It's easy to do: you can put {{subst:ANI-notice}} on their talk page to do so, and it will auto-expand into a message.-- The Anome (talk) 10:27, 28 October 2013 (UTC)


Hi The Anome. I am Go Phightins!, and am currently writing a piece for The Signpost on the Rand Paul/Gattaca debacle, which I am sure you have heard about. In 2002, you created the page on Gattaca, so I thought I would offer you the chance to comment for the story ... any comment you'd like to make on either the article, the alleged plagiarism, or plagiarizing Wikipedia in general? Up to you - thanks! Go Phightins! 19:55, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, good grief. I hadn't heard about this until now. Thanks for letting me know. I'll go take a look. -- The Anome (talk) 20:01, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks; if you could let me know in the next few hours if you wish to comment, that would be terrific. Go Phightins! 23:09, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Sorry -- I haven't really got anything to say on the subject. -- The Anome (talk) 20:15, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
OK, thanks anyway! Go Phightins! 03:22, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Barnstar of Humour Hires.png The Barnstar of Good Humor
For creating Gattaca yet not making a big deal of it. Bearian (talk) 16:42, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

coord-missing oddity[edit]

This edit flagged a North American organization for coordinates in Israel. DMacks (talk) 15:13, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

It's because the article was listed in Category:High schools in Israel, and the bot interpreted it as being just that, and thus a locatable place in Israel. -- The Anome (talk) 15:19, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
Ah, that makes sense actually. Thanks for the quick diagnosis! DMacks (talk) 16:19, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Memory erasure[edit]

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The article Memory erasure has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Probably student essay that would require complete rewrite to be encyclopedic. One reference is link dead and the other two are primary sources. Most of the article is entirely unsupported by the references. Not even close to Wikipedia:MEDRS.

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Go for it. The topic deserves an article, but it's not this, which verges too near to being a medical article without sufficient rigor. There is certainly an article about memory erasure as a fictional trope to be had here, but otherwise, it needs rewriting from scratch to conform with WP:MEDRS, if it is to be taken seriously as a sci/med article. -- The Anome (talk) 23:46, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Coords not needed[edit]

Hi, this is a railway service, running along a route which is over fifty miles long. I don't think that coordinates are appropriate. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

N = 4 supersymmetric Yang–Mills theory[edit]

Hi anonymous, do you by any chance remember if the page 6D (2,0) superconformal theories existed when you inserted the link in the N = 4 supersymmetric Yang–Mills theory article (23 sept 2013)? I'm asking because I remember seeing a lot of links to missing articles lately (especially physics and mathematics) and I am curious whether a cleanup is going on or those pages never existed. Thanks for your help! talk Alma 11:15, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

As far as I recall, it didn't exist at the time I made that link. I've checked the revision history, and it never seems to have existed previously, either. Having said which, WP:REDLINKs are good: there's no reason why it should not be created, either now or in the future.-- The Anome (talk) 12:07, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
Great, thanks! That settles it. Wish you merry holidays! Alma (talk) 12:44, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

BDSM History[edit]

The Anome - I have restored the historical information from the academic publication 'The History & Arts of the Dominatrix'. I have in addition added the original source material cited by its author, which is verifiable. You may be correct that the book may be self-published in its first edition form - I am unable to verify this either way, and the second edition is currently in press by University of Oxford Press. However certainly the author is a UCL academic on staff, and has published anonymously from what I can tell.

One of the problems specific to the BDSM page, is that due to the nature of the subject of BDSM, many BDSM titles are self-published: - Jay Wiseman's books (self-published under Greenery Press) - Lady Green / Janet Hardy (self-published with partner Jay Wiseman of Greenery Press) - Dr Gloria Brame's books are all self-published. (She has a PhD and is a qualified sexologist however) - Philip Miller & Molly Devon's book is self-published (under Mystic Rose Books) etc (I could list numerous titles, all the Lulu Books listed on the page, etc)

I have worked on Wikipedia's Dominatrix page for years, adding academic references from academic journals, from sociological papers, from new books as they've been published, including more recently Danielle Lindemann's book which was a sociological study book "Dominatrix: Gender, Eroticism and Control in the Dungeon".

I am open-minded to changes, to enhancing neutrality, promoting balance, etc on Wikipedia articles.

However I do not think the removal of helpful historical information, carefully cited with academic references which are independently verifiable, is appropriate. If there are amendments and edits to be made - I would expect those to be made in pieces as appropriate.

I hope that by adding the original source material references, this may have aided the solution. I can remove all reference to Nomis's book entirely, and leave only her original sources cited (and verifiable), however it would seem inappropriate to steal all her research for use on Wikipedia and not acknowledge her as having been the one who undertook all the hard work and research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scholarlyfemme (talkcontribs) 00:49, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Scholarlyfemme — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scholarlyfemme (talkcontribs) 00:51, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello, and thanks for your comments. Yes, you are right in saying that many well-known BDSM sources are self-published. However, they are well-known sources that have been extensively cited by other writers. This book has as yet not become part of the body of well-known literature on the subject, and its very recent publication and the deliberate anonymity of its author do not help increase its credibility. In particular, the concept of the "seven realm arts", which I cannot find a reference for anywhere else in the literature, appears to be sufficiently novel that it looks likely to be covered by Wikipedia:No original research. Given this, I'd suggest that, for the moment, until the book becomes established as a cited source in the literature, citing the sources used by the book, rather than the book itself, is probably the best way to go.
I'm sorry if this sounds really negative, since the book sounds really promising, and I look forward to reading it when it becomes generally available. -- The Anome (talk) 09:57, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of List of muscles of the human body/version 2[edit]

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You seem to have overlooked my request for an update, above. I understand that you're busy, but if you don't intend to continue the project, please let me know so I can ask for other assistance. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:02, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi -- sorry about that -- I will get back to that project soon, and will message you when that happens. Happy new year, -- The Anome (talk) 15:25, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Mildred Roper[edit]

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I've reverted Anomebot2's edit to Derg. It was a government, not a place. That said, I'm not sure the article belongs in the Former countries in Africa, States and territories established in 1974, or States and territories disestablished in 1987 categories (which may be how the 'bot found it). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 01:00, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

You are quite correct: yes, that's how the bot found it, and no, governments shouldn't get that tag, only the geographic entities ruled by those governments. I've been reviewing the bot's edits and fixing these by hand where I see them (see my edit history for some examples), but I missed this one, for which apologies. -- The Anome (talk) 01:03, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
The categories seem embedded within {{Infobox former country}}, FWIW. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 01:33, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

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Geo-coordinates of Pavillon de Paris[edit]

Hi! Really glad someone finally mapped the location of the old Pavillon de Paris. Can I ask how you know the correct location? There is a sentence in the article that says, "In 1980, the Pavillon de Paris was closed, and for the next 3 years, most touring rock bands appeared at the Hippodrome de Pantin in the nearby Parc de la Villette. In 1983, the Hippodrome was itself replaced by Le Zénith de Paris." This suggests that Le Zénith and the Hippodrome are/were at the same location, whereas the Pavillon, though nearby, was somewhere else. Yet your provided coordinates located the Pavillon very proximate to the Zénith. Is that because the Pavillon site was adjacent to the Zénith/Hippodrome site, or are you suggesting that the Pavillon site is the current site of the Zénith, and that the Hippodrome was somewhere else nearby? Would love to hear all you know on this topic! Thnaks again!

User talk:Jayintheusa —Preceding undated comment added 22:03, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi. I'm afraid I don't know where the coordinates came from in detail, but I can tell you how to find the user who does. My bot copied the coordinates from the German-language Wikipedia. This is documented in the body of the tag as "source:kolossus-dewiki", where "Kolossus" is a (misspelled) reference to de:Benutzer:Kolossos, a user who compiles coordinates from Wikipedia dumps into a database which can be found here, and "dewiki" is the German-language Wikipedia. However, if you look at the edit hostory of the German-language article de:Pavillon de Paris, you should be able to find the edit, and hence the user, that added the coordinates there. -- The Anome (talk) 22:18, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Wow! Thank you for your fast and detailed response! I'll take a look, as you suggest! Thanks again!

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A bot proposal of yours at Wikivoyage[edit]

Hi. I don't know whether you are keeping an eye on things at Wikivoyage. In case you aren't, just letting you know that I have supported your Wikivoyage:Script nominations#Using the bot to help crowdsource links to Wikipedia articles proposal and posed a couple of questions there. cheers. Nurg (talk) 08:19, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Not in Front of the Children[edit]

This book was previously mentioned at your user talk page, by RekishiEJ.

I've gone ahead and created the article, at Not in Front of the Children: "Indecency," Censorship, and the Innocence of Youth.

It's still very much a work in progress, as I'm quite in the middle of ongoing research for additional secondary sources.


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Missing photos by coordinates[edit]

Please see Wikipedia:BOTREQ#Needed photos bot. I've referred there, to our discussions above. What news? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:43, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi: the project's on hold while I'm working on other things, and puzzling out how to reliably edit talk page headers to add the {{reqphoto}} tags without corrupting the rest of the talk page header. I will get back to it eventually. -- The Anome (talk) 11:11, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the update. Meanwhile User:Magnus Manske is working on something similar for Wikidata; here's the map for Sweden: Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:09, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Coordinates of paintings[edit]

As you are doubtless aware, these are almost always unnecessary (museums' coordinates are given in the articles on the museums). I don't know why The Anomebot2 is picking up articles in Category:Collection of the Tate galleries to add {{coord missing}} to, but you may want to instruct it to ignore that particular category. Deor (talk) 15:19, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting this. It's the comniation of the word "galleries" at the end of the category name, and that category's nested inclusion in other categories that refer to geolocatable things, that triggers this behavior, and then none of the usual heuristics catches the error. I'll add a couple of extra heuristics to catch this and similar cases. -- The Anome (talk) 11:08, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of CCTV (disambiguation) for deletion[edit]

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Blocking usernames listed in Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention/Bot[edit]

Any admin can do it -- and we could do with some extra help. There are a few templates specifically created for substing to inform blocked users: see {{usernameblock}}, {{usernamehardblocked}}, {{softerblock}} and {{vaublock}} for the most commonly used. Also, if a name is clearly a false positive and thus not going to be a problem, you can just remove it from the list without any need to discuss it with other users. -- The Anome (talk) 22:36, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks. But please, what is the correct procedure and what do I put or do where, e.g. if I come across a new username, say User:Zxcvbnmbot ? User:DeltaQuadBot would pick up the "-bot" suffix and complain, but what should I do then? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:18, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Bit rot (disambiguation)[edit]

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Bit rot/data decay/data degredation/etc.[edit]

Did you seek consensus somewhere before making these page moves? I think they were rather ill-advised and should be reverted, but the whole situation is a complex can of worms, and I don't trust my opinion to reflect that of any consensus. But there should have been discussion before the moves. I can't find it. What happened? jhawkinson (talk) 15:37, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

I think this is a case where the usage is so well established that the content of the articles was obviously wrong. So I decided to be WP:BOLD, and just clean up the whole thing. Feel free to revert my changes if you like, but I think the Jargon File is a more than adequate source for original, and still correct, usage. -- The Anome (talk) 20:05, 19 March 2014 (UTC)


I don't think this should remain blocked indefinitely, as I don't think a first-time offense is a valid reason for an indef block there.--Jasper Deng (talk) 04:41, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

You're right -- I've replaced the block with a one year block, and unblocked account creation from that range. -- The Anome (talk) 21:43, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about that[edit]

[3] ... didn't even realize I had removed your comment, apologies. Lesion 21:34, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


How would you feel about unblocking this user and running a WP:RFCN instead? Yunshui  08:45, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that; very gracious of you. Yunshui  11:47, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Second-wave Wikipedian?[edit]

We've been scratching our heads about this now for the last 5 minutes. What does this thing mean? PanydThe muffin is not subtle 15:28, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Ah -- that's quite out of date now. "Second wave", in the sense of not being part of the "first wave" of Wikipedians who joined in the first few weeks. -- The Anome (talk) 12:05, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

File:TrafficRanktoJune2004.png needs authorship information[edit]

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Yes check.svg Done -- The Anome (talk) 14:19, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

History of measurement systems in India[edit]

You've edited this article. There's quite a bit here based on work by Shigeo Iwata. I'm concerned about using him as he also wrote in [4] which says "Each of the several bone pieces of 28,000 years ago that were discovered in Shiyu site in China bears a number of lines. Each of these lines denoting a number suggests that the people used to record 20 or more numbers. The 22,430-year-old bone tubes excavated at the Zhoukoudian site in the southwest of Beijing bear symbols that have been deciphered as representing 3,5, 10, and 13. The shape of the symbol for 10 leads us to believe that its creators employed the decimal system. Presumably, the Mongoloid completed the decimal system 50,000 years ago when they branched into East Asia, both North and South America, and the Pacific islands. The Chinese people recorded numbers as large as 30,000 in the period 3.300 years ago." This bit about the decimal system is nonsense as is the bit about Mongoloides up to 70,000 years ago, which he also said. And so far I haven't found a source for his Chinese symbols, but that's a minor issue. Dougweller (talk) 19:22, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Bots can't spell[edit]

The Anomebot2 is adding the type "forrest" to some of the {{coord}} templates it's inserting in articles. Presumably, its brain needs tweaking somehow. Deor (talk) 10:36, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. It was copying that mistake verbatim from the eswiki entries it was using as source. When I ran a script to fix this, I found that you had fixed all of them already: thank you! -- The Anome (talk) 14:18, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
No problem. I just thought that it might be something in the bot itself rather than in what it was copying. Deor (talk) 14:35, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

OER inquiry[edit]

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Edit filter 609[edit]

Thanks for your help with this. It looks like other IP ranges from Rio de Janeiro are also adding these Europa Universalis terms, another editor caught [5]. Can you help edit the filter? Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 08:23, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done. I've added the enclosing netblock, registered to the Universidade do Estado do Rio de Janeiro, to the filter. -- The Anome (talk) 08:46, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Not surprised to find it's probably students. Dougweller (talk) 14:47, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Espainiako Erresuma listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


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Non-default beta[edit]

Our discussion got archived. What do you think about a watchlist notice? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 05:37, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

I've replied to you on your talk page. -- The Anome (talk) 12:40, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
I think that rather than waiting for a formal list of what, exactly, to test, we should just ask people to give it a try. Do yout hink that this would work for a watchlist notice?
An appeal from the developers: we've been improving VisualEditor, and we're looking for volunteers to test it. You can opt-in to it via Beta Features
I've added a few links; would it be useful to add a link to Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide, or is it overkill? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:09, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


Er, sorry about that, it didn't occur to remove the templates.Keith-264 (talk) 16:02, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

No problem! Yes, it's a good idea to remove the {{coord missing}} templates when you add coordinates, but it doesn't break anything if you don't: I do a bot run every few months to catch those that don't get removed by geocoders. Bot time is cheap; human effort geocoding things isn't. Thanks for your edits! -- The Anome (talk) 11:36, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
I had the idea of using the geodatas from articles on the place, since I couldn't work out how to do them. I was rather smug at the time.;O)Keith-264 (talk) 12:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

EuroFan98 has replaced the deleted content again[edit]

Hi there, I noticed you're the Wikipedian who recently dealt with EuroFan98 and the content the user has on their user page. I thought you'd might want to know s/he has reinstated the content to User:EuroFan98/sandbox, especially when it was established the material was not a draft article and went against WP:NOTWEBHOST. Wes Mᴥuse 21:28, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Stop these things![edit]

Wesley Mouse, a Sandbox is another user's can't be seen by public or by other users. 23:35, 8 June 2014 (CET) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EuroFan98 (talkcontribs)

But it still is against WP:NOTWEBHOST purely for the fact that the content was removed from your main user page for being of content that is not permitted on Wikipedia. You were also told to place it elsewhere, but not on Wikipedia. You ignored what you were told. But if you wish to have the stupidity to risk receiving blocking sanctions for failing to comply with policies, then go ahead. I'm only offering you advice so that you don't get blocked. Wes Mᴥuse 21:47, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Pius Ngandu Nkashama[edit]

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Yes check.svg Done -- The Anome (talk) 10:49, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Complaint moved[edit]

I've moved this complaint from WP:ANI to WP:BON. Issue should be discussed here. Thank you! OccultZone (Talk) 11:25, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Coord for festivals[edit]

Hi, I have spent most of today adding coordinates to various articles in Category:Lithuania articles missing geocoordinate data. Down to a trickle! But I am stumped by Kaunas International Film Festival and similar - it is an event/festival that takes places all over. How would you add coordinates to that? Renata (talk) 02:12, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Regarding the festival; since it does not take place in a single geographical location, just delete the {{coord missing}} tag from the article, and you're done. The same applies to any other event with multiple locations. The bot does not have a 100% hit rate, and it occasionally makes both false positive and false negative errors. Please let me know if you find any more examples of bad tags, as this helps me add extra rules to the bot to reduce its error rate further. -- The Anome (talk) 10:05, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Cool, but a question: won't the bot add the missing coord tag on its next run? Renata (talk) 11:50, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
It shouldn't do that: it remembers which articles it has tagged, and (with a few special-case exceptions) won't re-tag them again in the normal course of editing -- The Anome (talk) 10:41, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Edit filter 609[edit]

Hi - hate to be a pain but could you add the IP range for, another Rio de Janeiro range? Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 13:14, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done -- The Anome (talk) 12:29, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Belated thanks! Dougweller (talk) 10:56, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-27[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of The Tridge (Ypsilanti, Michigan)[edit]

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Proposed deletion of The Tridge (Ypsilanti, Michigan)[edit]

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Nomination of The Tridge (Ypsilanti, Michigan) for deletion[edit]

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DYK for Nokutela Dube[edit]

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Tech News: 2014-28[edit]

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Coordinates for Slut, Munsö[edit]

Hello, I noticed that the coordinates were wildly off. I guess the source, GNS-enwiki, need to be corrected too, where do I find it? --Ainali (talk) 11:53, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi -- thanks for fixing that. The source "GNS-enwiki" indicates that it was generated one of my scripts which uses a combination of category tree traversal and heuristics to cross-correlate entries in the NGA GNS database with English-language Wikipedia articles. The most likely source of the error is either that the script has chosen the GNS entry for the wrong place, or that the GNS data itself is off. If it's the former, please accept my apologies: the matching algorithm has very few false positives, but there will always be the occasional error; when I find one or one is brought to my attention, I usually try, if possible, to find and fix the root cause of the problem, to prevent the same kind of error from happening again. If the NGA data is at fault, you can contact the NGA here: -- The Anome (talk) 20:07, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Update: NGA GNS has only one place in Sweden called Slut, with details as follows:
Slut   (Approved - N)
Sweden (SW)     
Västerbotten (SW23)     
64° 44' 00" N, 020° 31' 00" E (64.733333, 20.516667)  
populated place (PPL)   
My bot saw one and only one place in Sweden called Slut on both Wikipedia and NGA GNS, both of the same type, and none of the blocking heuristics for false matches applied in this case, so it assumed they were the same. A check for the top-level administrative division would have caught this, but doing that is a work in progress, due to the difficulty in doing this in general across both datasets, not just because of naming differences, but because the NGA data often does not specify a top-level administrative division for many features.
Fortunately this kind of false positive is quite rare. I have been looking into alternative ways of doing enclosing-entity cross-correlation for some time, with the hope of one day doing a cross-correlation of all the geodata in all Wikipedias via Wikidata. -- The Anome (talk) 12:28, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-29[edit]

07:49, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Watchlist notice idea[edit]

Do you still think this is a good thing to do?

An appeal from the developers: we've been improving VisualEditor, and we're looking for volunteers to test it. You can opt-in to it via Beta Features

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:59, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

It's a great idea! Is there any reason not to go right ahead and make the change today? -- The Anome (talk) 00:34, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Let's do it. Thanks. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 16:24, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
I posted at request about this at MediaWiki talk:Watchlist-details#Request. There has been no response so far. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 22:18, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-30[edit]

07:42, 21 July 2014 (UTC)


Thanks for catching this sockpuppet of User:Trueman31. His hobby is cutting and pasting my user page and talk page. –anemoneprojectors– 14:56, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-31[edit]

08:09, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


No hits since 28 May. Is it okay if we disable it? Thanks — MusikAnimal talk 16:00, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

No problem, as far as I'm concerned: you might also want to check in with User: Dougweller, who's been using it to track vandalism. -- The Anome (talk) 15:22, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
No hits but a number of successful attempts to add these videogame concepts. Mainly be one-off accounts (in one case choosing a name very similar to someone else busy editing). Two were IPs, (talk · contribs) and (talk · contribs). These were this month, as were most of the account edits. And I know the copyvio Esdaile stuff is sporadic. Is there a way so it doesn't just focus on IP ranges but on any editor? And if so, "oligarchic republic" should be added. Thanks. And thanks to [[User:The Anome for pinging me. Dougweller (talk) 15:56, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
I didn't really want the filter to trigger on every single mention of any of those keywords/key phrases, unless you're happy to deal with a potentially huge amount of false positive matches. If you are, I can simply turn off the IP range filtering and rely just on the keywords, and I expect the filter will get a vast number of hits. If you want me to do this, just let me know. -- The Anome (talk) 16:23, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
A question: are these all edits happening within articles which have infoboxes that have the "government_type" parameter? If so, I could filter on that, which should greatly reduce the number of false positives. -- The Anome (talk) 16:26, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
The great majority are, yes. If the filter just looked at that and not whether they were IPs or not, it would help. The Esdaile copyvio stuff is a different issue though. I guess I'll just have to hope I have all the affected articles on my watchlist. Dougweller (talk) 13:00, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Change made, and filter re-enabled. -- The Anome (talk) 18:09, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Great, thanks. Dougweller (talk) 18:36, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
It's not working - it's catching stuff it shouldn't catch. Dougweller (talk) 18:46, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
That was my worry. I've now disabled it. This filter really can't be useful unless we can create a narrower set of rules that match the behavior you wish to stop with a very low false positive rate. -- The Anome (talk) 18:49, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Not sure I understand. It's just a set of 2 word phrases, I don't know why it was catching other things. Shall I give you the phrases again? Dougweller (talk) 12:59, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-32[edit]

07:37, 4 August 2014 (UTC)


Searching, there is no others category containing Victoria, the other states don't have Australia, none of the us states have USA or similar. Apart from the work involved in re-correcting 300+ entries for a missing coord category! is there a better reason we couldn't rename the Victoria (Australia) to plain Victoria ? --Dave Rave (talk) 09:06, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

ta, just looked at the 'new' page and went to the parent category, Category:Victoria (Australia), there's that Australia again, all the places in this category also have the Australia. How many states in the world are there ? Alberta Canada has a town ... Not agitating for change on this part, yet, looking for clues. --Dave Rave (talk) 20:59, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
also ref against Category:Victoria , does that count as a disam directive or is it only helpful in the context of the disam --Dave Rave (talk) 21:05, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
I think the disambiguation on the higher-level category is fine. There are lots of places called Victoria in the world, and the disambiguation is consistent with Wikipedia's normal category naming rules. I agree with you that it's not necessary in the case of the geographical coordinate tagging tracking category, but this is specifically because there is only one regional-level subdivision in the world called "Victoria", so there's no ambiguity in that particular context. -- The Anome (talk) 21:35, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-33[edit]

07:43, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Reversion on Prime Prep Academy[edit]

I have undone the change on the subject due to the fact that there are multiple locations for the school. Hasteur (talk) 13:22, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

is there a way to signal that coords aren't applicable?[edit]

This is a great bot, it often alerts me to missing coords in articles and then I go and add the coords.

But is there a way to tag an article to tell the bot "no, this one shouldn't have coordinates"? Obviously I can just remove the missing coord template, but I presume the bot will return at some later stage and re-instate it. The specific article of concern to me at the moment is Travelling post office, Queensland (which is a post office that travels by train so not exactly fixed infrastructure).

Thanks Kerry (talk) 22:00, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for the appreciation! To tell the bot the coordinates aren't needed, just remove the {{coord missing}} tag, and it shouldn't re-add it again, unless the article is renamed to a new title. Regards, -- The Anome (talk) 00:27, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Too easy! Thanks Kerry (talk) 02:15, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

official coords available for BC RDs[edit]

Re this, I don't know where Wikidata gets its data from, but the official sources is readily available, perhaps parseable so can be automated; CGNDB is the other, with the same rounded DM vs DMS data, though lately BC Names has been refining many entries with DMS; where is Wikidata anyway? Another part of the wiki-verse? I see the term but...Skookum1 (talk) 02:16, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-34[edit]

07:17, 18 August 2014 (UTC)