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Kat Von D[edit]

Hi, Gnome. Just wanted to say we're reeeeeally not supposed to edit other editor's talk-page comments, as has happened at Talk:Kat Von D. I didn't revert you or anything, but I did want to mention something in case you weren't aware of Wikipedia talk-page guidelines about that. I'm sure both User:IIIraute and I, who resolved our differences and found compromise wording, do, however, appreciate your good-faith effort to clarify a debate that probably actually should be archived. With regards, -Tenebrae (talk) 00:10, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, there are exceptions to that, such as "Fixing format errors", "Fixing layout errors", and "Sectioning" - and this is all I actually did. When I was (randomly) invited to participate in that RfC, I had a hard time navigating through the threads! It's a common theme in Talk Pages when two or three editors are having a heated discussion! They focus on the (flaming) content and disregard the necessity for having a proper format. The result is they understand each other but outsiders can hardly make sense. If you think any of my changes has materially affected in the slighest the content of the discussion, by all means go right ahead and revert it. Cheers, The Gnome (talk) 00:26, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

IPA transcription of Sami Hyypiä[edit]

Hello there. One year ago you asked for adding it on the discussion page of that article. It's done. Cheers mate --Matthiaspl (talk) 13:18, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!-The Gnome (talk) 17:47, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Removing AfD template[edit]

Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles, or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion debates, as you did with Sune Rose Wagner. Otherwise, it may be difficult to create consensus. If you oppose the deletion of an article, please comment at the respective page instead. This is an automated message from a bot about this edit, where you removed the deletion template from an article before the deletion discussion was complete. If this message is in error, please report it. Snotbot  t • c »  13:34, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

I originally proposed to delete the article in question. Immediately after, an editor eliminated the problems on which the proposal was based (i.e. introduced reliably sourced references) so the decision to keep the article was taken, by other editors. There were no objections to that decision. Therefore, I took down the deletion notice. Clearly, it's an open-and-shut case. There's little else I can say or do. -The Gnome (talk) 14:42, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Taken care of. -Scottywong| spill the beans _ 15:05, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

On the perils of Google translate[edit]

Re Kaunas pogrom edit. Please exercise extreme caution, if not outright "don't do that again"... Google translate sucks and the Lithuanian language is too flowery, complicated, and not widely used to perfect the algorithms. The result was that the English translation said the exact opposite of the original... :( Renata3 (talk) 01:00, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the input. Your warning abt the perils of "Google Translation" are well taken. I disagree with, though, and reject the uncalled-for admonition "Don't do that again". On the substantial part of the issue, I'm posting my remarks in the relevant article's Talk page. See you there. -The Gnome (talk) 06:18, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Support Deletion note on Talk:Sandra Fluke[edit]

Hi there!

I noticed you recently posted an argument to "Support deletion" on the Sandra Fluke Talk page. As you probably know, the article is currently subject to an AFD discussion; however, you seem to have posted your comment on the article's talk page by mistake(?)

In any case, I just wanted to let you know, in case it was an error. The article's AFD discussion can be found here for your convenience.

Cheers! Zaldax (talk) 13:09, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, appreciated. -The Gnome (talk) 06:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Sandra Fluke. Because you participated in the original deletion discussion for this page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Cheers, Zaldax (talk) 13:29, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again.-The Gnome (talk) 06:47, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

BLPs and precision[edit]

Hi Gnome-- Thanks for your recent updates on the UC Davis pages. I made some changes because you misstated what the sources said regarding John Pike. We must be extremely faithful in reporting sensitive matters about living people. I expect the prepared statement and the circumstances of his departure were part of an extended negotiation, part of which may have been not to characterize his departure as involuntary. In any event, we should not misstate or make any assumptions beyond using the exact phrasing they used. Thanks! Jokestress (talk) 15:30, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I acknowledge that the term "terminated" in the entry for the UC Davis pepper-spray incident was inaccurate, since the university spokesman described Pike's work status as "no longer employed [by UC Davis]". Your edit is, therefore, appropriate. But I cannot understand the lecturing! This was a mistake, which you corrected, and we move on. Why come here and lecture about the rules on Biographies of living persons? What good can this do? We have, for the purpose of explaining edits, the Edit Summary section. You wrote there "BLP", which is self-explanatory if juxtaposed with your edit. (Even without the explanation, I'd have understood.) I'd humbly suggest writing in the Edit Summary section any and all useful advice you have for the editor whose version you are correcting. Can you imagine the clutter and the noise if, for every BLP edit, we would start a dialogue on the other editor's Talk Page? BLP editing is contentious enough as it is! Thanks for the input anyway, and cheers. -The Gnome (talk) 16:43, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
I would have emailed you, but you have not enabled the option. Your statement about Pike left you open to serious potential consequences, and I wanted you to be aware of the gravity. If you'd like details, email me. Feel free to remove these comments from this page. Thanks! Jokestress (talk) 21:31, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Feel free to post here, in the open, any and all warnings about "potential consequences" regarding the wrong use of a single term in the edit I made. I'm curious about that "gravity" I stumbled into, as you allege. And, please, do not spare any "details". Cheers. -The Gnome (talk) 06:47, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Polite request[edit]

Hi there. Sorry to bother you. I put an rfc for Celtic F.C. Supporters on the rfc board but no response yet, so if you have time I wondered if you could look at it? Thanks 220.255.1.86 (talk) 10:26, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

War Remnants Museum[edit]

Hi, concerning the item that i re-added that you deleted earlier, i'm willing to make the concession to remove that deleted part permanently, in return for retaining direct quotes and analysis added from the About.com source and from Schwenkel's book. But, please understand that the mention, directly or implicitly, of the museum being a propaganda museum is an uncompromisable part for me on this article, it's not simply POV, even though i do acknowledge that it sounds like one, but it is true and recognized and substantiated as such by reliable sources, and by the many tourists (including myself) that have went there. I do acknowledge that the truth is not enough and that everything here must be supported by reliable sources, and is the reason i made several of modfications to address this. Nguyễn Quốc Việt (talk) 18:33, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. When you write, "the mention, directly or implicitly, of the museum being a propaganda museum is an uncompromisable part for me on this article," this alone shows that you have a strong personal stake in the issue! As the relevant rule states, "When advancing outside interests is more important to an editor than advancing the aims of Wikipedia, that editor stands in a conflict of interest." The best thing to do when confronted with a Wikipedia entry with which you have such a strong personal connection is to walk away from it. That's the best course. The second best is to strictly follow the rules of Wikipedia, and also to interact with Wiki editors who have no personal stake.
In the case of the War Remnants Museum, all we have for the moment as a third-party, independent reference is one single book, plus the report of a backpack traveler. Far from satisfactory! In such cases, the best course to follow is prudence. The article should be very brief, describing in the most neutral terms what's inside - and little else. Wikipedia, for better or worse, is not a place where we advocate ideas, opinions or personal experience. We cannot replay the Vietnam War here. Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 10:41, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Jesus[edit]

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at Talk:Jesus, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Even making spelling and grammatical corrections in others' comments is generally frowned upon, as it tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. ReformedArsenal (talk) 11:32, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your input, it's appreciated. Note, please, that there are exceptions to that rule, such as "Fixing format errors", "Fixing layout errors", and "Sectioning" - and this is all I actually did. It is my experience that Wikipedia editors are rather indifferent to the task of keeping a discussion properly formatted so as to keep the discussion easy to navigate and the points clear. Of course, if you think any of my changes has materially affected in the slighest the content of the discussion, by all means you should go right ahead and revert it. As you did. Cheers, The Gnome (talk) 00:24, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Javier Saviola - Tips[edit]

Hi there GNOME, AL from Portugal here,

please don't revert me again on this player's article. Judging from your userpage you don't edit on football that often, and here's how it goes: IMMEDIATELY after a player joins a club officially (contract has been signed, medical exams have been completed, etc), the introduction is supposed to read "...a X footballer who plays for Y club...", not "...a X footballer who recently signed for Y club...", irrelevant that they have played any games or not. OK? So that you see i'm not making this up or anything, please check hundreds of other articles on newly-signed players to see exactly what the intro shows us.

Thanks, happy editing --AL (talk) 14:13, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. Is there something more official, something like a Wikipedia rule, for your preferred form, or is it simply "how it goes"? I will not revert your edit, yet, waiting for something more concrete than your experience on football-related articles. Cheers. -The Gnome (talk) 22:16, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
"How it goes" means how 99,99999999999999999% of the football-related articles (on newly-signed players that is) are approached, nothing to do with MY preferred form. For example, Álvaro Negredo has not played ONCE since joining his new club (an English one), and his intro reads "...who plays for Manchester City in...", noone has even ever touched that part because it's 100% correct ("he plays for" means he's part of the squad, he's under contract).
Hopefully a compromise has been reached, if not i'll ask for mediation. Cheers back --AL (talk) 23:41, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
In other words, your preferred mode of notation is ostensibly customary. That's alright; nothing wrong with that, since that notation is seemingly a correct one. What I'm interested to know is why you would think that the other notation is incorrect. I cannot locate anything in the sections about articles' style. And before you remind me again of you extensive experience in football-related articles, which I do not dispute, let me simply note that no editor owns an article of types of articles. Cheers.
PS : What "compromise" was that? I do not understand. -The Gnome (talk) 09:02, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Let's go bit by bit then: 1 - "...your preferred mode of notation is customary..." Do you mean "you" in singular or plural (the football community at WP) mode? If it's the former i repeat i am not trying to impose anything (and you repeat that idea when you remind me that "...no editor owns an article of types of articles", that's a bit unfair i think, never wanted that image to come across, i do not own Saviola's article or any other); 2 - my experience in football-related articles was simply to show i've seen many intros to articles like Mr.Saviola's now stands, was not implying "I'm a hell of an editor, watch and learn"; 3 - the other notation ("...is an X footballer that has recently signed with Y club..." is 100% correct in grammar and language, never implied the contrary. WP rule to intro notations? No, don't think i know of any; 4 - the PS: when i saw that my first message did not get across as i wished it had, i came up with the word "compromise" to see if we could meet halfway if you chose to revert me - if that happened i wished you would go with a "50%-50% reversion".
Attentively - --AL (talk) 14:58, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi, AL has asked for me to provide an opinion on this, so here goes. I agree with the wording forwarded by AL, which is supported by the WP:FOOTY Manual of Style for players and is, correctly I believe, employed by the vast majority of player articles. I don't think the fact Saviola has yet to play a game for his new club means alternative wording is needed. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 15:21, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Greetings, Mattythewhite and AL. Thanks for the input. In the WP:FOOTY Manual of Style for players, we can see that this is not a rule but a guideline, i.e. "nothing is set in stone" while the template layout simply "is used in most of the best biographies as judged by the community, and following it is a good idea." As it happens, and on the occasion of the specific article in question, I suggest that we leave the article as it stands, since it reflects the standard currently employed ("it's a good idea"), but I do intend to raise the issue on the competent forum, in due course.
Explanation: I believe that the intro of every Wikipedia article, and especially of living persons, should reflect the most accurate and up-to-date information on its subject, since Wikipedia is an online encyclopaedia. Player A, on the subject of professional sports, may be a "veteran striker" and player B "a new recruit". This should be clearly stated in the intro: We should not be forcing the user to read through the article to get a fuller picture of what exactly players A or B are. Cheers. -The Gnome (talk) 11:36, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
P.S.: AL, too many decimals! :-)

The Story of a Small Town[edit]

Merger of Small Town Story (song) was reverted. So I created another discussion. Feel free to comment in talk page. --George Ho (talk) 06:53, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

RfC to consider[edit]

Might you consider offering an opinion on a content dispute between two editors involving the removal of parts of an article on a group of characters in a fictional novel? The discussion is here. Thanks for considering. N2e (talk) 02:32, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, will do. This is, once again, an issue about the proper sourcing of Wikipedia material. I'm particularly interested in that.-The Gnome (talk) 11:43, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks very much for offering an opinion on that RfC. I really appreciate it!
That is a fictional genre with problems in many articles (the problems are not so much with the articles on the various books, but on the characters and locations and in-universe esoterica). On more than one occasion, a content dispute on a particular page with the that particular editor who contributed to a lot of that material in the early days of Wikipedia, when sourcing wasn't as importnat per policy, has turned the content discussion I'm trying to have into a editor behavior discussion about me, which makes it challenging just to improve the encyclopedia. I've asked him to take my behavior to the appropriate review body several times as well, if he has such concerns, but he has not ever done so. But it pretty much derails the attempts to just improve the various articles and remove the long-time challenged and unsourced statements/original research. N2e (talk) 03:58, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Living members of deposed royal families[edit]

Hello - I have opened an RfC about suggested guidelines in the Manual of Style for articles about living members of families whose ancestors were deposed as monarchs of various countries and the titles and "styles" attributed to these living people, at the moment often in a misleading and inaccurate way in my opinion. Please join in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies "Use of royal "Titles and styles" and honorific prefixes in articles and templates referring to pretenders to abolished royal titles and their families"[1]Regards,Smeat75 (talk) 05:36, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Interesting subject. Thanks for the invitation.-The Gnome (talk) 12:17, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Michael D. Colacino[edit]

If you're going to ignore my messages on Talk:Michael_D._Colacino then can you just mark the page for speedy deletion? RyLaughlin (talk) 20:49, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Apologies for not seeing your messages and replying sooner. I'm otherwise engaged, so I will take a look on this over the weekend, possibly even tonight. Cheers. -The Gnome (talk) 11:34, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
"19:26, 17 December 2013: Ronhjones deleted page "Michael D. Colacino" (Expired PROD, concern was: The subject fails the criterion of Notability)."

Royal titles[edit]

Hi! You have replies at a discussion you started on the MOS Biographies talk page. Seven Letters 23:01, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm following the conversation but have little to add at the moment. It's an important issue of nomenclature, in my opinion.-The Gnome (talk) 10:08, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Filing report on Engleham at WP:ANI?[edit]

You seem very serious about getting that guy topic-banned. To be honest, I'm fed up with him and his antics, so he must be reported. I'd like to report him, but I already warned him about attacking other editors. --George Ho (talk) 08:47, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

It is sad because I too detest the hypocrisy that's rampant in today's politics. But that editor cannot get it through his head that Wikipedia is simply not the place to denounce political hypocrisy! In BLPs, we're here to report on verified facts about their lives, and if from such citing the case for hypocrisy can be made on its own, then so be it. I believe that a topic-ban would actually help Engleham. If he were to apply himself to other topics, he could perhaps understand the wisdom of having some very clear rules in Wikipedia. -The Gnome (talk) 08:55, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Why hesistant then? Is reporting unnecessary? George Ho (talk) 10:07, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm considering requesting a topic ban. But I want to be thorough about such moves and I do not have the time to gather up the material.-The Gnome (talk) 10:24, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
He's blocked for two weeks. --Gh87 in the public computer (talk) 21:30, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Ugh[edit]

Hey gnome. I am a real person. Not anybody's puppet. This, especially followed by this twenty minutes later, is pretty ugly. As per my response to you on the atrazine page, creating great content on Wikipedia is hard, especially on topics over which people are passionate; injecting suspicion makes that even more difficult. I do understand your concern - and there is definitely a history of Conflict of interest editing on Wikipedia - but please be careful not to violate WP:AGF. Broad brushes are generally unhelpful tools. I am sensitive to these kinds of allegations as I have been hounded in the past, and would appreciate it if you would take more care going forward. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 13:31, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Greetings. I sincerely fail to see the ugliness in asking you a straightforward, honest question. Assuming good faith is a basic tenet, of course, but it should not deter us from being alert to potential gross violations of Wikipedia's purpose. The atrazine-related articles offer this potential in a big way. So, this is one of the many very hot kitchens in Wikipedia you chose to wade in and you should know it. If you are indeed a neutral, impartial and, moreover, informed party, then there should not be any problem. (Subsequent to my postings, I looked up your "self-generated" inquiry about potential conflicts of interest. I must say, as investigations go, it was quite limited, in my opinion. But kudos for instigating it.) Cheers. -The Gnome (talk) 13:47, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Sure it was "straightforward" - straightforwardly assuming bad faith. It is a raw newbie mistake to turn disagreements over content into questioning the good faith of other editors - you have been around longer than that. Anyway, it feels like shit to be slapped with a broad brush allegation as you did. You can hear me, or not. Best regards Jytdog (talk) 14:05, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
One person's "bad faith" is another person's "investigation". You assume that I acted in bad faith when I asked you a direct question (rather than making arbitrary claims, etc), something which I, in turn, find to be an act of bad faith! In case this helps, this is the first time ever as a Wikipedian where I posed such a question. We'll have to agree to disagree, as the saying goes. Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 14:13, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
as i wrote above, you questioned my good faith and you did it while sending up a big "watch out for bad faith" flare over the two articles. in view, you are inviting a witch hunt against me, and I have been through that in the past. You are free to think and do whatever you want. i am just asking you to hear me, with regard to how your action felt to me. Jytdog (talk) 14:29, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
I hear you and I understand that you may feel frustrated or offended but you should also understand that my actions are not personal and are not directed to any particular wiki editor. You probably have been involved in too many edit wars and disputes here. My warning for potential corporate-sponsored misinformation on the subject of pesticides I still consider as valid and fully justified to post up, since it is based on a major article on a major US magazine. Some people are bound to take such things personally -- good for you if you feel like that! It means you are indeed not a corporate-sponsored monkey. See you around. -The Gnome (talk) 09:06, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 11:40, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) "Methinks the laddy doth protest too much." With apologies to William Shakespeare. Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:56, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
try to walk in my shoes for awhile. i work here in good faith and i get painted black by self-righteous people who cannot accept that other people think differently than they do. sheeshJytdog (talk) 02:52, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill all over talk pages and user talk pages for no real reason that I can see you seem to have decided it's Jytdog against the world. I don't see anyone painting you any colors. I don't see anyone in the Tyrone Hayes issues being "self-righteous". I do see a series of aggressive actions and comments by you to others and suggest a break from the project for a while might be of benefit. Ellin Beltz (talk) 08:34, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

ISB[edit]

Hi The Gnome. Thank you for your interest in improving the disambiguation page ISB. However, please note that disambiguation pages are not articles; rather, they are meant to help readers find a specific article quickly and easily. Therefore you should follow the style guide for disambiguation pages (see the disambiguation dos and don'ts for the short version). Consequently, I removed all the extra links and the entries with terms not mentioned within the linked article or blue wikilink. Cheers LittleWink (talk) 19:29, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

And to think that I stumbled upon the ISB disambiguation page because I could not find anything in Wikipedia about the Internet Service Bus! One would think that an online encyclopaedia would have the basics, e.g. unique ISB number, etc. Never mind, I guess a separate article is in order. To do, then. -The Gnome (talk) 22:47, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Hello again! I was wondering if you could take a look at an article here on Wiki and see what we can do to help its author write a real article instead of a press release of (apparently) her own accomplishments? I appreciate all you've done in the Tyrone Hayes page and so thought of you as perhaps the best person for help with this. I became aware of the page due to an image we deleted over at Commons where I'm a very new admin. Thanks! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:01, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll be glad to participate in the effort. I believe that, before we attempt to clean up the article, e.g. remove link rot, we should establish the subject's notability - which, in my opinion, is simply not there. I opened up the relevant discussion in the article's Talk page. Also, I agree that this is most probably a case of conflict of interest. Cheers. -The Gnome (talk) 20:33, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
The page was deleted on 6 April 2014. It was the third attempt to create the page. -The Gnome (talk) 03:16, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Another interesting page[edit]

Hi again! This user's page was also found during Commons image deletion process. I realize it's user space, but it seems inappropriate. Thank you again for all your time and effort on these pages! Ellin Beltz (talk) 07:41, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. User was in clear violation of WP:UPNOT. After a warning was posted on that User's Page, the material-in-breach was removed by User in its entirety. Such cases tend to have a high recidivism rate so the page will be monitored. Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 05:45, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
One more for your WP:UPNOT is this user. I find all these from the photo deletion nominations process. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 07:09, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
This is a disturbing pattern. The problem with people using Wikipedia as their personal website is probably more serious than I'd realized. Thanks. I'll try and assist in my small, individual capacity in the clean up. -The Gnome (talk) 13:57, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Both User pages were deleted on 9 April 2014.

Citations seem... um... light[edit]

Hi again! Thank you for all your previous help. Reviewing photos certainly pops up some interesting pages in Wikipedia. I have today for your consideration, a BLP apparently mostly written by one user, who contributes nothing on any other topic. I looked at the wall of references and was singularly unimpressed, so looked more carefully, and here's about 15% of them researched:

  • 1 -- refers to subject's own website
  • 2 -- book not avail to read online
  • 3 -- Article about music group, subject's name not mentioned
  • 4 -- YouTube of some song, subject's name not apparent
  • 5 -- An extremely small entry at Discogs
  • 6 -- An extremely small bio at IMDB
  • 7 -- Blog about donation he gave to the Space Camp
  • 8 -- Subject's own website about Space Camp & the donation
  • 9 -- ??
  • 10 -- Mentions subject was a composer on a song.
  • 11 -- Mix Magazine glow piece.

. . . skipping to the end...

  • 86 -- No mention of subject
  • 87 -- Subject's website again.

The gentleman covered in the piece may very well be extremely notable; if so the article needs a lot of work and good references. I used Google Scholar on him and came up with not much. I'm wondering if this is a piece of puff-pastry intended to help finance projects in the music/ film industry? Thanking you again for all your help with Wiki articles! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 22:18, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Τhis one, in particular, is a whole load of trouble! We need to sort out the chaff. On the to-do list, then. -The Gnome (talk) 07:20, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Orphan artist[edit]

Greetings! I found this page while nominating photos for deletion. It reads like a promotional flyer! Thank you for all your help with these articles, much appreciated. Wikipedia is very different from Commons and I'm always afraid of messing up rules and stuff over here. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:17, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Started discussion in the article's Talk page, questioning the subject's notability.-The Gnome (talk) 07:24, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
No consensus reached; article stays up. -The Gnome (talk) 19:06, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Another artist[edit]

I think I have found another artist Duane Flatmo with an extra-long biography compared to his actual accomplishments which are some murals in Eureka, some beer and dirtbag labels, and a couple of runs out to Burning Man. I have been in the same room/around this person IRL and I feel that he's not nearly as notable as he thinks he is. It looks to me as if his page was written by "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mette_Batterton". These are her only contributions, the photos of his work were both by her also. There are no pages which link to Mr. Flatmo's fanbio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Duane_Flatmo) which has been up over two years. There are few to no citations for his accomplishments, which yes he was on Jay Leno, but not every person who appears on a television show or is interviewed in an indy film is notable enough for inclusion. This (http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Northern-Californians-Join-Fray-on-Junkyard-2963934.php) is the most reliable of the sources on the page and it only addresses the one episode of Junkyard Wars on which he appeared. The other news citations are from articles written by his friends (including Bob Doran at North Coast Journal). I think he had a friend or family member write the Wiki article. To put it in perspective, the most awarded racers in the Kinetic Sculpture Race are Team Melvin, and none of their three artists (better known than Flatmo by far) have tried to get a Wikipedia page. This looks to me like an attempt to create notability by using Wikipedia before having the citations to back up the notability. However, because I know this man in real life - most notably for threatening the author of the Murals book cited in this article (Bruce, Kevin Large Art in Small Places: Discovering the California Mural Towns. Random House Digital, 2009 p. 26) with a lawsuit alleging copyright violations for contracted murals for which he had given permission to be photographed as part of the contract. I had a few photos published in that book, but not photos of his work so I would not have been party to the suit. The suit went nowhere. Even so, I feel I cannot take personal action on this page. I have nominated one of the two photographs for deletion at Commons due to the artist being living and no OTRS. At a minimum, the page needs a thorough trimming to match the facts in the few reliable citations, again, I have a negative opinion of the subject and do not feel qualified to make changes on this vanity page. I really look forward to your help with this article if you can. Thank you. Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:35, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history coordinator election[edit]

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