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Issue C – July 2014

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Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2014-06-04/Featured content[edit]

It's set up; could use some help with the descriptions, but can finish it tomorrow if you can't help. Probably best not to publish the Signpost without it, given Portal:Featured content. Adam Cuerden (talk) 06:35, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

GOCE June 2014 newsletter[edit]

Guild of Copy Editors May 2014 backlog elimination drive wrap-up
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And we're done. =)

The Signpost: 04 June 2014[edit]

The whole barn[edit]

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When a barnstar isn't enough. For outstanding work on the Signpost each week, writing and marshalling the troops. - Dank (push to talk) 16:20, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
+1. Go Phightins! 17:50, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Dank and Go Phightins!. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:58, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: May 2014[edit]

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Signpost proposal English WP Geography coverage[edit]

Items from the trees

that have no article in English WP

... More than 1000 items exist in 10 language versions, but not in the English WP. Tamawashi (talk) 17:39, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey Tamawashi, I'm not fully certain of what you're trying to tell me. Are you saying that there are over 1000 geography-related articles on other Wikipedias that the English Wikipedia does not have? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:58, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Many more than 1000, but there are 1000 geo items that are present in at least 10 other Wikipedias. The third link above (correct link in source, wiki rendering is broken) shows, that in position 1000 there are still 10 other Wikipedias having a text. Maybe there are 10 000 items that are present in 5 Wikipedias and not in the English Wikipedia. If the list of these items would be known to more editors, it might trigger some article creations in the English Wikipedia. And what I think is very important, is, that even stubs have a big value here, since via them readers can find the articles in the other Wikipedias and the content that exists in Wikidata. Tamawashi (talk) 02:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Forgive me for being a devil's advocate, but how many false positives are there? The first example on the list is Taiwan, which definitely has an article here. ;-) The second is (on en.wp) a redirect from Giurtelecu Șimleului to Măeriște. The third is the Persian Empire. The fourth is at Fresno de Caracena, not Caracena. Only when we get to Nolay, which on en.wp would be located at Nolay, Soria, do we find something that isn't on en.wp. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:59, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
1) The island of Taiwan has no article in the English Wikipedia. 2) A redirect is not an article. 3) Persian Empire - I wonder why it is not linked 4) Fresno de Caracena is some kilometers away from Caracena. E.g. check Spanish Wikipedia which has articles for both. 5) "Only when we get to Nolay, which on en.wp would be located at Nolay, Soria, do we find something that isn't on en.wp." - Not sure whom you include in "we", but I don't belong to that group. In the mean time I found that the article about Ido Wikipedia had been redirected. Other Wikipedias do not treat that Wikipedia edition in that way: So the big French, English, German, Italian are of the opinion that this small Wikipedia merits no article. There may be more indication of cultural bias. I would be very happy to read about the Ido Wikipedia, but some content control group stays in the way :( . Who are these control people? White male computer geeks? Tamawashi (talk) 08:33, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Is it surprising that the content of the English-language Wikipedia is weighted towards topics most of interest to/familiar to English-speaking people? This has been long-known (and I think has been the subject of some Signpost articles in the past), and while it's obviously a problem (and an opportunity for article writers!), I imagine that other language Wikipedias have pretty much the same issue. The island of Taiwan appears to be covered in the Geography of Taiwan article BTW - which has similar content to what's in Australia (continent) (a country which everyone agrees is over-represented!). Nick-D (talk) 08:42, 13 June 2014 (UTC)


I should have this ready tomorrow night: have a bit of a cold just now, plus have been really busy the last couple days due to my birthday and a few other things. Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:19, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

@Adam Cuerden: happy birthday! I hope it was a good one with cake and a drink or four. As I said, I'll be publishing on Friday UTC, so you have a little time. Thanks for all your hard work! On a side note, would you like me to start looking for someone to accompany you, or would you have someone you would enjoy working with in mind? I don't like you shouldering all of this burden each week. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:27, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
It would be nice to have someone; it is a fair bit of work. It would be nice to have someone experienced with featured articles or lists, so that - you know how I sometimes highlight a Wikipedian's work? I know the FP people pretty well, but if I had an FA or FL person, they could highlight notable contributors to those projects as well. Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:45, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Sounds good! I'll send out a few emails soon then. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:58, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
The ed17 Do I not count as accompaniment? :( I can finish this report if necessary. --Pine 03:19, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Sorry Pine, that wasn't meant as an insult! You're not available each week (I think?), so I was going to look for someone permanent. That would also free you up for more meta stories, like the interview you proposed! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:59, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
OK, yes, I'm not necessarily available every week and having a regular help to Adam would be ideal. And yes, there would be a benefit in freeing up some of my Signpost time for Meta reports. I'm looking forward to seeing how this first interview goes. --Pine 07:45, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Aye. I do appreciate your work, but which weeks you're available can vary a lot, and this doesn't always match the weeks where I'm a bit busy. Also - I might well be wrong on this - but so far as I know, you aren't particularly active in featured processes (outside of FP), so, like me, would need to research FA, FL, FT, and FPO contributors: having someone who knows them already would be helpful. =) I might well be wrong, though; since I'm not active, I'm not quite sure who is. Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:05, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I know enough about the other processes to recognize frequent contributors and be able to interview them, but feel free to try to recruit an expert from one of the other processes. Hahc21 has done a lot of work with FLs. --Pine 08:06, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
I did not know that! Any FA or FL or FPO contributors we should highlight in the coming week? Adam Cuerden (talk) 10:24, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
I can help a bit with FA too, though it's been awhile. One possible person would be Imzadi1979, who has continued his large series of Michigan highway articles this week with U.S. Route 31 in Michigan. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 20:58, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

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Allergies are knocking me out. FC will be very late if noone else can do it. Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:55, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

@Adam Cuerden: Thanks for letting me know. I'm hoping to publish tomorrow US time ... think you can make it? I can try pinging someone, or we can leave it as a list of links. At the least, would you be able to add in relevant pictures? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:29, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
We really, really should NOT publish as a list of links. Portal:Featured content has between ten and a hundred times the views of any other Signpost article. I'll try. back to bed for now, though. Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:50, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
It's about 2/3rds done. If someone can help with the FPs, we can get it out. Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:59, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
It's done. Publish away. Please get me some help for next week, though. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:41, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
@Adam Cuerden: You're awesome. I will hunt someone down, even if I can only get them to commit to helping out on a temporary basis while I work on a more permanent solution. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 00:23, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue XCIX, June 2014[edit]

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The Signpost: 18 June 2014[edit]


@Gamaliel: @Mark Miller: @Keilana: @Andrewman327: @Jayen466: @Tony1: - I will be away for the next two weeks, and consequently will be unable to contribute to this month's ITM. I apologize, and hope others can pick up the ball this month. Go Phightins! 02:08, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Pinging @Kevin Rutherford: too ... we'll make it work. Thanks for letting me know! :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:53, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Report title[edit]

Ed, please do not change significant features of my reports without talking with me first. The alteration that you made implies that there was a five-year struggle, which there was not. The struggle was mainly in the past two years with the civil registration process. I appreciate people making copyedits or formatting improvements to my reports but please talk with me first before changing the substance of what I've written in a report that has my name in the byline. Thanks, --Pine 08:29, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

That's fair! Thanks for shooting me a message. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 17:48, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Need help[edit]

Can you please this.VictoriaGrayson (talk) 21:36, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Please review the edit histories of all involved - I think WP:DRN might be a better choice with so many POV pushers involved John Carter (talk) 22:26, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
I've commented on The Bushranger's talk page. Thanks, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:56, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor global newsletter—June 2014[edit]

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Will have this done tomorrow. Stressful week. Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:08, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

And we're done. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:38, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Adam! Stressful week here too. Publishing will be soon. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 17:23, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Alaska-class cruiser[edit]

This is a note to let the main editors of Alaska-class cruiser know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on July 23, 2014. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at present, please ask Bencherlite (talk · contribs). You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/July 23, 2014. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:

USS Guam (CB2)

The Alaska-class cruisers were a class of six cruisers ordered prior to World War II for the U.S. Navy. Officially they were classed as "Large Cruisers (CB)", although others regarded them as battlecruisers. Their intermediate status is reflected in the naming of the ships after US territories and insular areas, rather than states (battleships) or cities (cruisers). The idea for a large cruiser class originated in the early 1930s when the Navy sought to counter German Deutschland-class "pocket battleships". Planning of what became the Alaska class began in the later 1930s after the deployment of Germany's Scharnhorst-class battleships and rumors that Japan was constructing a new battlecruiser class. To serve as "cruiser-killers" capable of seeking out and destroying such ships, the Alaska class was given large guns, limited armor protection against 12-inch shells, and machinery capable of speeds of about 31–33 knots (36–38 mph, 58–61 km/h). Of the six planned, two were completed and a third was cancelled during construction. Alaska and Guam (pictured) served for the last year of World War II as bombardment ships and fast carrier escorts, and were decommissioned in 1947. (Full article...)

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The Signpost: 25 June 2014[edit]

User:Russavia/Pricasso (draft) listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect User:Russavia/Pricasso (draft). Since you had some involvement with the User:Russavia/Pricasso (draft) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Darkness Shines (talk) 11:18, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

GOCE July 2014 newsletter[edit]

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Big mess this week[edit]

Could you please check the Top 25 talk page? Serendipodous 18:46, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Checking! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:20, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

WikiCup 2014 June newsletter[edit]

After an extremely close race, Round 3 is over. 244 points secured a place in Round 4, which is comparable to previous years- 321 was required in 2013, while 243 points were needed in 2012. Pool C's Smithsonian Institution Godot13 (submissions) was the round's highest scorer, mostly due to a 32 featured pictures, including both scans and photographs. Also from Pool C, Scotland Casliber (submissions) finished second overall, claiming three featured articles, including the high-importance Grus (constellation). Third place was Pool B's , whose contributions included featured articles Russian battleship Poltava (1894) and Russian battleship Peresvet. Pool C saw the highest number of participants advance, with six out of eight making it to the next round.

The round saw this year's first featured portal, with Republic of Rose Island Sven Manguard (submissions) taking Portal:Literature to featured status. The round also saw the first good topic points, thanks to Florida 12george1 (submissions) and the 2013 Atlantic hurricane season. This means that all content types have been claimed this year. Other contributions of note this round include a featured topic on Maya Angelou's autobiographies from Idaho Figureskatingfan (submissions), a good article on the noted Czech footballer Tomáš Rosický from Bartošovice v Orlických horách Cloudz679 (submissions) and a now-featured video game screenshot, freely released due to the efforts of Republic of Rose Island Sven Manguard (submissions).

The judges would like to remind participants to update submission pages promptly. This means that content can be checked, and allows those following the competition (including those participating) to keep track of scores effectively. This round has seen discussion about various aspects of the WikiCup's rules and procedures. Those interested in the competition can be assured that formal discussions about how next year's competition will work will be opened shortly, and all are welcome to voice their views then. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk · contribs) The ed17 (talk · contribs) and Miyagawa (talk · contribs) 18:48, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikicup in the Signpost[edit]

If it's not a problem, I'd like to hold the Wikicup until the Signpost after the next one. It'll give a little more time to sort out the pictoral guide with things the Wikicup participants select. Plus, it looks like I'm back to soloing FC. Adam Cuerden (talk) 22:29, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

That's fine, Adam. I'll get to work finding someone permanent asap, and will email Ian to see if he can help out for another couple of weeks at the least. Thank you very much! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

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Signpost talk page[edit]

I'm following up on your talk page about the issue I raised on the Signpost talk page (on audio transcripts). I'm presuming you are aware of that discussion. Could I ask if you intend to respond at some point? I'm asking because the point has been raised (with hindsight) that different actions here by you might have helped head some of this off (I can expand on this if needed). The thought has also crossed my mind that an open letter to the Signpost (signed by some of those that commented there), or an article for the Signpost on the accessibility issues, might help. Would you be willing to publish something of that nature if I and others were able to put something together? Carcharoth (talk) 06:53, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Carcharoth: talk page stalker here. Ed is usually open minded about op-eds if they are written to address a specific issue so an op-ed about accessibility would probably be ok. --Pine 07:58, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
    • Hi Carcharoth, thanks for your comment here. My intention was to delay a transcript by a couple days to satisfy Tony's desire while not unduly inconveniencing users. He and I fought viciously over it, as I was well aware of the problems deaf users face. In the end, he threatened to quit, so against my better judgement, I compromised on a short wait.
    • Then the community, in the form of Keilana, impressively stepped up on their own and made a transcript. With that out, I felt that the 'deal' between Tony and I was off; edit-warring to keep the transcript off the article would make the Signpost, and everyone involved, look (and personally speaking, feel) far worse than we already did. As you can see, Tony disagreed, so that's the exact road we went down.
    • Having said all that, I don't intend to respond on the Signpost's talk page. I view it as a reader comment section that I don't want to unduly influence, although I will of course be taking all of the posts there on board in the future. I think it goes without saying that if we do an audio interview again (this was the first, to my knowledge, that we've ever done), that we will endeavor to provide a transcript—and if something prevents us from doing so, we will explicitly ask the community to pitch in.
    • As for your accessibility article idea, I think your energies may be best focused on an op-ed that explains the barriers deaf users face on Wikipedia, and forcefully argue for changes that positively benefit you and the countless other deaf editors on the projects. Using this experience as a catalyst and making your case to the wider movement may have more impact. What do you think?
    • Thank you for your comments, both here and on the two Signpost talk pages. You have my deepest apologies. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:02, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
      • Hi Ed, as one of the more vocal annoyed people I do appreciate the response and explanation. You can probably tell I was pretty narked over it. Your explanation of how it happened was pretty much what I expected. However I dont think even in the pursuit of content compromises should be made over your principles. As EIC its also your responsibility to help set the moral and ethical standards by which your writer's/contributers follow. I hope in future that the next time someone threatens to take their ball and go home, you let them. There are always more balls out there Ed. Only in death does duty end (talk) 18:13, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
      • Thanks, Ed, for explaining what happened here. Your apology is accepted and appreciated. I will try and find the time to do an op-ed piece though I'm not sure about the timing or when I'd find the time. I'll try and get back to you on that by the end of the weekend (I may find some time to make a start tomorrow). Carcharoth (talk) 19:58, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
        • What does accessibility look like?....
          Just offhand, there were a couple of other individuals on that thread talking about, I think, file hosting options. Might be good to get the folk with pieces to the accessibility puzzle all together in the same Signpost issue, so they can get to know each other better....—Neotarf (talk) 21:46, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
          • Carcharoth, thank you. You may find it easier and more rewarding to collaborate with two of the other editors here? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:22, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Accessibility is hard. For instance, as I understand it, for a couple years, Wikipedia has used a CAPTCHA system unusable by the blind, and requires it for every edit, I think up to autoconfirmed. Could Ed have done better? Yes, but it's probably better to explain how, ideally with accessibility checklists. Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:50, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
I, too, am grateful for your comments, Ed. It is always sad to see an immensely talented person go off the rails and sink into rage over the most minor sort of criticism, and I am sure that you were in a terrible bind. Take care, Ed, your work at the Signpost is appreciated. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:00, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Cullen328—you're much too kind. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:22, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


Thanks for the catch - I knew he was a prolific MILHIST author, but hadn't realized he worked so much on ships. Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:22, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

@Adam Cuerden: No problem, I work (on and off...) in the same topic area, so it was an easy catch for me. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:48, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 02 July 2014[edit]

Battle of Öland FAC[edit]

Since you provided helpful comments and/or reviewing in related quality assessments, I'm dropping a notice that battle of Öland is now an FAC. Please feel free to drop by with more input!

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Spontaneous challenges[edit]

Hi Ed,

I'm wondering if I could lean on your better knowledge of WikiProjects and community contests and related things. I recently came into a cache of reproduction WWI and WWII posters from the the NARA Trust Fund (like these) which we thought would make excellent contest prizes. I'm interested in having spontaneous, non-self-serving challenges (like "there is no article on the concept of national archives, like the existing national library article; free poster to the first person who writes one!"). But I'm not sure where to list that where it would actually get enough visibility to be successful (without spamming), and I'm not interested in anything that would involve a lot of overhead, like creating a new contest page at WP:NARA and then investing a lot of time promoting it to the community. Any idea where this kind of thing could go? Dominic·t 20:43, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

@Dominic: Well. Ruling out the quick and dirty way (spamming) kind of limits your options. ;-) Just ideas from the top of my head, but you could work through the Military history coordinators (oh which I am one) to create a central page and promote it to the project members? And perhaps you would monitor the page and approve/deny article suggestions ("is fall of Constantinople important enough? Yes. Is USS LST-198? Probably not")? Granted, this does hinge a bit on what you meant by "spontaneous". Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:57, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Putting it in the Signpost might not be a bad idea, but I'd suggest telling Ed alone, so that noone'll get a heads up by reading it before publication day. Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:06, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Adam does have a point... you might consider keeping the start date quiet so there's no bad blood later ("you started early!"). Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 17:40, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I wasn't being so optimistic that it would get that competitive. I was just hoping for any response. :-) Let's try the WikiProject first and see how it goes. I guess all I meant by "spontaneous" was that I want this to be informal; I'll keep doing this as long as I have supplies/postage and people are happy with the idea, but I didn't want to make a big deal out of it (or use the Signpost megaphone, probably) unless the community is clamoring for it. Anyway, here's a draft of the idea: User:Dominic/Challenge. Do you think that could be supported by the Military history WikiProject? (I'm not necessarily seeing this as limited in scope to the topic area of military history, but I'm not sure if that is a problem for you.) Dominic·t 19:17, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
@Dominic: Ah, I see—fair enough :-) I'll post this on the coordinator's talk page and see what we can put together. It's not a problem to promote the page even if it's not limited to milhist (we're pretty informal), but can you find at least one milhist article so that we have a raison de etre to send it around? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:00, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
@Dominic: Just following up here—any chance of adding a Milhist article to the mix before I go to the coords? :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 17:40, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Just added one that I am aware of now, though I haven't compiled a list yet so it's pretty specific (but passes the notability test in my opinion). Dominic·t 20:38, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
I've added a query on the coordinator's talk page! You may want to think up a couple more articles so that you can attract a broader segment of participants, though. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:04, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
@Dominic: It's been advertised in Milhist's Bugle, and I'll put a blurb on WT:MILHIST once you've put a couple more articles up (both are currently taken :-) ) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:40, 20 July 2014 (UTC)


Think I've got FPs; think you'd be willing to do lists? I'll probably do them if you can't, but with the two articles in this week, I want to get ahead a little. How's the WikiCup report look? Adam Cuerden (talk) 20:41, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey Adam, I'll try to get to them after work tomorrow. I'm working on a Wikimania financials piece, so it's a little complicated at the moment. :p The WikiCup report looks pretty good to me. I like the gallery ... I can't wait for regular images to look like that (aka no frames). Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:00, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks to some excellent work by SchroCat, I woke to find I just had to btweak the images and write to he last FP description. By the way: I used a gallery for the Pont du Hard at the bottom. It now automatically scales to the window: very convenient for a panorama. Adam Cuerden (talk) 12:17, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
It scales to the width of a user's window? Absolutely brilliant! Nice work, Adam. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 21:18, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

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I should probably warn that I'm going to be very, very busy in August. I should still be able to do image selection, but the writeups take a few hours, so I really can't promise too much on that account. Adam Cuerden (talk) 22:19, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I'm still working on finding someone to help you out! :-) Heading over to SchroCat now, actually. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 21:18, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Signpost next week[edit]

(As in, not the one about to be published, but the one after)

Godot13 has hit 100 featured pictures since the start of the year. I would like to do a short interview with him. Any objections? Adam Cuerden (talk) 01:03, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

None at all. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:30, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 09 July 2014[edit]

Sorry for the delay?[edit]

Hi Ed! It seems that most of the new issues of the Signpost are published with an edit summary of "Sorry for the delay". Are they all missing some publication deadline, or is there some in-group joke that I've missed? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:37, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey GoingBatty, we're technically supposed to publish on Wednesdays (or for this week, 9 July), but we rarely make it due to a combination of factors... mostly contributor availability. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:03, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Multiple pinging[edit]

Your revision of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions at 17:45, 14 July 2014 (edit summary: "a lot of pings") reminded me of Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 127#Multiple pinging (July 2014). I found some of the replies difficult to understand, but you might be able to understand them well enough to use them.
Wavelength (talk) 19:32, 14 July 2014 (UTC) and 19:58, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

@Wavelength: Ah, I think I was supposed to use {{ping group}}. Thanks for the note, as I wouldn't have found it otherwise! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 00:14, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm stopping the top 25/Traffic Report[edit]

Sorry to spring this on you, but it's a thankless job and I'm sick of the abuse. So I hope you can find someone masochistic enough to take it on. Serendipodous 23:37, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

@Serendipodous: Thankless is definitely understandable, and I'm sorry that I didn't remember to watch the page this week. Had I done so, I would have stepped in long ago. Is there anything I can do to convince you to stay? Otherwise, I'm going to be very sorry to see you go. I've always liked the section as something different than our normal material. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 00:14, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
I dunno. I'm going though a difficult time right now and I really don't need this additional pressure. Maybe when I've sorted some things out in real life, then I'll come back. Serendipodous 00:19, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Same reason I'm out: 10 days of abuse, mockery, insults (some of them sexualised and violent); then Wales' referring to me as an abuser on his high-traffic talk page, an accusation for 3000 watchlisters to see for day after day at the opening: that sealed it. Why would I want to bust my guts every week serving a community I now despise? And that's aside from the related internal issues. Go to hell and burn, I say to the community. Tony (talk)
@Serendipodous: I hear ya. In the meantime, I'll try to find someone to fill the gap created by your departure, but even if I get a person, you're always welcome back (smaller workload for you, right? :-) ). Best of luck, and let me know if I can help with anything on-wiki in the future! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:04, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
@Serendipodous: Sorry to butt in, came here for something else but saw this and wanted to say that I'm sorry to see you go. I've always enjoyed reading the traffic report. I can't imagine why someone would subject someone else to abuse over something like that, but people always manage to amaze me with their stupidity. I hope we can preserve this feature in some form or recreate it when you return from your wikibreak. Gamaliel (talk) 21:46, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Thankfully, Milowent is going to take it over for the moment. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:37, 18 July 2014 (UTC)


Hey Ed. I was wondering if you had time to take a look at a Request Edit here to add a History section, create a more neutral Lead that isn't UNDUE with lawsuits, introduce an Align Technology section about the product's manufacturer, and optionally cut out a massive body of OR/synth for medical claims. It should make it almost GA-ready, once I add a more proper section about all the medical studies on the subject.

John Broughton reviewed the draft already, but he typically just provides feedback without actually performing the request edit - he's asked me to only rely on him as a backup for such tasks. CorporateM (Talk) 23:13, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey CM, I'm far too busy at the moment to look into this thoroughly. Sorry! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:37, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

In other news[edit]

May be a bit proofread out, but I'm still plotting images a bit. So, South Carolina-class battleship. I think File:USS New Hampshire c1910 LOC ggbain 04455.jpg, File:Photograph of the Battleship USS Michigan at the Brooklyn Navy Yard - NARA - 19-N-61-6-25.jpg and - although it has some very awkward damage - see the bright horizontal stripe in the middle? File:Photograph of the Battleship USS Michigan - NARA - 19-N-13573.jpg are the potential FPs in it. What do you think? Adam Cuerden (talk) 02:08, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey Adam! I'd go with File:Photograph_of_the_Battleship_USS_Michigan_-_NARA_-_19-N-13573.jpg. The other Michigan image is from the stern, and New Hampshire is a comparison image of an earlier ship (and not representative of the South Carolinas!) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:37, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Also Adam Cuerden, I'd like to publish before work tomorrow (about seven hours) or at least on my lunch break (ten to eleven) as I have a time-sensitive SR to go out. Can you get the FPs finished by then? Sorry for the short notice! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:43, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 16 July 2014[edit]

Update to MediaViewer[edit]

Hi The ed, there is an update to MediaViewer, the story you recently covered in the Signpost, see [1]. Would it be possible for me to have a chat with Adam (here or on IRC) when we both have time so I can learn the ropes? Thanks, Matty.007 19:28, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I've commented on that one at meta:Research_talk:Media_Viewer_preference_elicitation#Commment_from_Adam_Cuerden:_I_like_Media_Viewer.2C_but... - I think the WMF sometimes doesn't quite realise the distinction between new functionality (generally fine) and replacement to old functionality (much, much more likely to cause problems/upset.) Adam Cuerden (talk) 00:00, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the link, Matty -- I'll put it in an IB for next week. As for IRC, I'll let you and Adam agree on a time that works best for both of you :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:01, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue C, July 2014[edit]

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Book review[edit]

I've finished reading the books and am starting to work on the review. (Thanks again for the invitation.) What's the deadline for the next Signpost and how do I submit the draft? Thanks, Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:50, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey Newyorkbrad, the deadline for this edition is Wednesday, but I'd like to run the review on the 30th, as I have a different opinion piece ready to go for this coming week, and I'd rather not dilute theirs or yours by running them together. As for submitting the draft, we normally have opinion writers submit them by Google doc or email (but if you're uncomfortable with that, I've created a spot for you in our newsroom). :-) Thanks again! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 00:17, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm happy to run on the 30th. What would the deadline be for that issue? Thanks, Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:19, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
The 30th, as we typically publish a day or two after the listed date. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 00:25, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Great, thanks. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:27, 21 July 2014 (UTC)