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Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2014-06-04/Featured content[edit]

It's set up; could use some help with the descriptions, but can finish it tomorrow if you can't help. Probably best not to publish the Signpost without it, given Portal:Featured content. Adam Cuerden (talk) 06:35, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

GOCE June 2014 newsletter[edit]

Guild of Copy Editors May 2014 backlog elimination drive wrap-up
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And we're done. =)

The Signpost: 04 June 2014[edit]

The whole barn[edit]

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When a barnstar isn't enough. For outstanding work on the Signpost each week, writing and marshalling the troops. - Dank (push to talk) 16:20, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
+1. Go Phightins! 17:50, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Dank and Go Phightins!. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:58, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

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Signpost proposal English WP Geography coverage[edit]

Items from the trees

that have no article in English WP

... More than 1000 items exist in 10 language versions, but not in the English WP. Tamawashi (talk) 17:39, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey Tamawashi, I'm not fully certain of what you're trying to tell me. Are you saying that there are over 1000 geography-related articles on other Wikipedias that the English Wikipedia does not have? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:58, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Many more than 1000, but there are 1000 geo items that are present in at least 10 other Wikipedias. The third link above (correct link in source, wiki rendering is broken) shows, that in position 1000 there are still 10 other Wikipedias having a text. Maybe there are 10 000 items that are present in 5 Wikipedias and not in the English Wikipedia. If the list of these items would be known to more editors, it might trigger some article creations in the English Wikipedia. And what I think is very important, is, that even stubs have a big value here, since via them readers can find the articles in the other Wikipedias and the content that exists in Wikidata. Tamawashi (talk) 02:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Forgive me for being a devil's advocate, but how many false positives are there? The first example on the list is Taiwan, which definitely has an article here. ;-) The second is (on en.wp) a redirect from Giurtelecu Șimleului to Măeriște. The third is the Persian Empire. The fourth is at Fresno de Caracena, not Caracena. Only when we get to Nolay, which on en.wp would be located at Nolay, Soria, do we find something that isn't on en.wp. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:59, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
1) The island of Taiwan has no article in the English Wikipedia. 2) A redirect is not an article. 3) Persian Empire - I wonder why it is not linked 4) Fresno de Caracena is some kilometers away from Caracena. E.g. check Spanish Wikipedia which has articles for both. 5) "Only when we get to Nolay, which on en.wp would be located at Nolay, Soria, do we find something that isn't on en.wp." - Not sure whom you include in "we", but I don't belong to that group. In the mean time I found that the article about Ido Wikipedia had been redirected. Other Wikipedias do not treat that Wikipedia edition in that way: So the big French, English, German, Italian are of the opinion that this small Wikipedia merits no article. There may be more indication of cultural bias. I would be very happy to read about the Ido Wikipedia, but some content control group stays in the way :( . Who are these control people? White male computer geeks? Tamawashi (talk) 08:33, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Is it surprising that the content of the English-language Wikipedia is weighted towards topics most of interest to/familiar to English-speaking people? This has been long-known (and I think has been the subject of some Signpost articles in the past), and while it's obviously a problem (and an opportunity for article writers!), I imagine that other language Wikipedias have pretty much the same issue. The island of Taiwan appears to be covered in the Geography of Taiwan article BTW - which has similar content to what's in Australia (continent) (a country which everyone agrees is over-represented!). Nick-D (talk) 08:42, 13 June 2014 (UTC)


I should have this ready tomorrow night: have a bit of a cold just now, plus have been really busy the last couple days due to my birthday and a few other things. Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:19, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

@Adam Cuerden: happy birthday! I hope it was a good one with cake and a drink or four. As I said, I'll be publishing on Friday UTC, so you have a little time. Thanks for all your hard work! On a side note, would you like me to start looking for someone to accompany you, or would you have someone you would enjoy working with in mind? I don't like you shouldering all of this burden each week. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:27, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
It would be nice to have someone; it is a fair bit of work. It would be nice to have someone experienced with featured articles or lists, so that - you know how I sometimes highlight a Wikipedian's work? I know the FP people pretty well, but if I had an FA or FL person, they could highlight notable contributors to those projects as well. Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:45, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Sounds good! I'll send out a few emails soon then. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:58, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
The ed17 Do I not count as accompaniment? :( I can finish this report if necessary. --Pine 03:19, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Sorry Pine, that wasn't meant as an insult! You're not available each week (I think?), so I was going to look for someone permanent. That would also free you up for more meta stories, like the interview you proposed! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:59, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
OK, yes, I'm not necessarily available every week and having a regular help to Adam would be ideal. And yes, there would be a benefit in freeing up some of my Signpost time for Meta reports. I'm looking forward to seeing how this first interview goes. --Pine 07:45, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Aye. I do appreciate your work, but which weeks you're available can vary a lot, and this doesn't always match the weeks where I'm a bit busy. Also - I might well be wrong on this - but so far as I know, you aren't particularly active in featured processes (outside of FP), so, like me, would need to research FA, FL, FT, and FPO contributors: having someone who knows them already would be helpful. =) I might well be wrong, though; since I'm not active, I'm not quite sure who is. Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:05, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I know enough about the other processes to recognize frequent contributors and be able to interview them, but feel free to try to recruit an expert from one of the other processes. Hahc21 has done a lot of work with FLs. --Pine 08:06, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
I did not know that! Any FA or FL or FPO contributors we should highlight in the coming week? Adam Cuerden (talk) 10:24, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
I can help a bit with FA too, though it's been awhile. One possible person would be Imzadi1979, who has continued his large series of Michigan highway articles this week with U.S. Route 31 in Michigan. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 20:58, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

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Allergies are knocking me out. FC will be very late if noone else can do it. Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:55, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

@Adam Cuerden: Thanks for letting me know. I'm hoping to publish tomorrow US time ... think you can make it? I can try pinging someone, or we can leave it as a list of links. At the least, would you be able to add in relevant pictures? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:29, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
We really, really should NOT publish as a list of links. Portal:Featured content has between ten and a hundred times the views of any other Signpost article. I'll try. back to bed for now, though. Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:50, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
It's about 2/3rds done. If someone can help with the FPs, we can get it out. Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:59, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
It's done. Publish away. Please get me some help for next week, though. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:41, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
@Adam Cuerden: You're awesome. I will hunt someone down, even if I can only get them to commit to helping out on a temporary basis while I work on a more permanent solution. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 00:23, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue XCIX, June 2014[edit]

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The Signpost: 18 June 2014[edit]


@Gamaliel: @Mark Miller: @Keilana: @Andrewman327: @Jayen466: @Tony1: - I will be away for the next two weeks, and consequently will be unable to contribute to this month's ITM. I apologize, and hope others can pick up the ball this month. Go Phightins! 02:08, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Pinging @Kevin Rutherford: too ... we'll make it work. Thanks for letting me know! :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:53, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Report title[edit]

Ed, please do not change significant features of my reports without talking with me first. The alteration that you made implies that there was a five-year struggle, which there was not. The struggle was mainly in the past two years with the civil registration process. I appreciate people making copyedits or formatting improvements to my reports but please talk with me first before changing the substance of what I've written in a report that has my name in the byline. Thanks, --Pine 08:29, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

That's fair! Thanks for shooting me a message. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 17:48, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Need help[edit]

Can you please this.VictoriaGrayson (talk) 21:36, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Please review the edit histories of all involved - I think WP:DRN might be a better choice with so many POV pushers involved John Carter (talk) 22:26, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
I've commented on The Bushranger's talk page. Thanks, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:56, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor global newsletter—June 2014[edit]

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Will have this done tomorrow. Stressful week. Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:08, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

And we're done. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:38, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Adam! Stressful week here too. Publishing will be soon. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 17:23, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Alaska-class cruiser[edit]

This is a note to let the main editors of Alaska-class cruiser know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on July 23, 2014. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at present, please ask Bencherlite (talk · contribs). You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/July 23, 2014. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:

USS Guam (CB2)

The Alaska-class cruisers were a class of six cruisers ordered prior to World War II for the U.S. Navy. Officially they were classed as "Large Cruisers (CB)", although others regarded them as battlecruisers. Their intermediate status is reflected in the naming of the ships after US territories and insular areas, rather than states (battleships) or cities (cruisers). The idea for a large cruiser class originated in the early 1930s when the Navy sought to counter German Deutschland-class "pocket battleships". Planning of what became the Alaska class began in the later 1930s after the deployment of Germany's Scharnhorst-class battleships and rumors that Japan was constructing a new battlecruiser class. To serve as "cruiser-killers" capable of seeking out and destroying such ships, the Alaska class was given large guns, limited armor protection against 12-inch shells, and machinery capable of speeds of about 31–33 knots (36–38 mph, 58–61 km/h). Of the six planned, two were completed and a third was cancelled during construction. Alaska and Guam (pictured) served for the last year of World War II as bombardment ships and fast carrier escorts, and were decommissioned in 1947. (Full article...)

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The Signpost: 25 June 2014[edit]

User:Russavia/Pricasso (draft) listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


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Big mess this week[edit]

Could you please check the Top 25 talk page? Serendipodous 18:46, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Checking! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:20, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

WikiCup 2014 June newsletter[edit]

After an extremely close race, Round 3 is over. 244 points secured a place in Round 4, which is comparable to previous years- 321 was required in 2013, while 243 points were needed in 2012. Pool C's Smithsonian Institution Godot13 (submissions) was the round's highest scorer, mostly due to a 32 featured pictures, including both scans and photographs. Also from Pool C, Scotland Casliber (submissions) finished second overall, claiming three featured articles, including the high-importance Grus (constellation). Third place was Pool B's , whose contributions included featured articles Russian battleship Poltava (1894) and Russian battleship Peresvet. Pool C saw the highest number of participants advance, with six out of eight making it to the next round.

The round saw this year's first featured portal, with Republic of Rose Island Sven Manguard (submissions) taking Portal:Literature to featured status. The round also saw the first good topic points, thanks to Florida 12george1 (submissions) and the 2013 Atlantic hurricane season. This means that all content types have been claimed this year. Other contributions of note this round include a featured topic on Maya Angelou's autobiographies from Idaho Figureskatingfan (submissions), a good article on the noted Czech footballer Tomáš Rosický from Bartošovice v Orlických horách Cloudz679 (submissions) and a now-featured video game screenshot, freely released due to the efforts of Republic of Rose Island Sven Manguard (submissions).

The judges would like to remind participants to update submission pages promptly. This means that content can be checked, and allows those following the competition (including those participating) to keep track of scores effectively. This round has seen discussion about various aspects of the WikiCup's rules and procedures. Those interested in the competition can be assured that formal discussions about how next year's competition will work will be opened shortly, and all are welcome to voice their views then. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk · contribs) The ed17 (talk · contribs) and Miyagawa (talk · contribs) 18:48, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikicup in the Signpost[edit]

If it's not a problem, I'd like to hold the Wikicup until the Signpost after the next one. It'll give a little more time to sort out the pictoral guide with things the Wikicup participants select. Plus, it looks like I'm back to soloing FC. Adam Cuerden (talk) 22:29, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

That's fine, Adam. I'll get to work finding someone permanent asap, and will email Ian to see if he can help out for another couple of weeks at the least. Thank you very much! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

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Signpost talk page[edit]

I'm following up on your talk page about the issue I raised on the Signpost talk page (on audio transcripts). I'm presuming you are aware of that discussion. Could I ask if you intend to respond at some point? I'm asking because the point has been raised (with hindsight) that different actions here by you might have helped head some of this off (I can expand on this if needed). The thought has also crossed my mind that an open letter to the Signpost (signed by some of those that commented there), or an article for the Signpost on the accessibility issues, might help. Would you be willing to publish something of that nature if I and others were able to put something together? Carcharoth (talk) 06:53, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Carcharoth: talk page stalker here. Ed is usually open minded about op-eds if they are written to address a specific issue so an op-ed about accessibility would probably be ok. --Pine 07:58, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
    • Hi Carcharoth, thanks for your comment here. My intention was to delay a transcript by a couple days to satisfy Tony's desire while not unduly inconveniencing users. He and I fought viciously over it, as I was well aware of the problems deaf users face. In the end, he threatened to quit, so against my better judgement, I compromised on a short wait.
    • Then the community, in the form of Keilana, impressively stepped up on their own and made a transcript. With that out, I felt that the 'deal' between Tony and I was off; edit-warring to keep the transcript off the article would make the Signpost, and everyone involved, look (and personally speaking, feel) far worse than we already did. As you can see, Tony disagreed, so that's the exact road we went down.
    • Having said all that, I don't intend to respond on the Signpost's talk page. I view it as a reader comment section that I don't want to unduly influence, although I will of course be taking all of the posts there on board in the future. I think it goes without saying that if we do an audio interview again (this was the first, to my knowledge, that we've ever done), that we will endeavor to provide a transcript—and if something prevents us from doing so, we will explicitly ask the community to pitch in.
    • As for your accessibility article idea, I think your energies may be best focused on an op-ed that explains the barriers deaf users face on Wikipedia, and forcefully argue for changes that positively benefit you and the countless other deaf editors on the projects. Using this experience as a catalyst and making your case to the wider movement may have more impact. What do you think?
    • Thank you for your comments, both here and on the two Signpost talk pages. You have my deepest apologies. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:02, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
      • Hi Ed, as one of the more vocal annoyed people I do appreciate the response and explanation. You can probably tell I was pretty narked over it. Your explanation of how it happened was pretty much what I expected. However I dont think even in the pursuit of content compromises should be made over your principles. As EIC its also your responsibility to help set the moral and ethical standards by which your writer's/contributers follow. I hope in future that the next time someone threatens to take their ball and go home, you let them. There are always more balls out there Ed. Only in death does duty end (talk) 18:13, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
      • Thanks, Ed, for explaining what happened here. Your apology is accepted and appreciated. I will try and find the time to do an op-ed piece though I'm not sure about the timing or when I'd find the time. I'll try and get back to you on that by the end of the weekend (I may find some time to make a start tomorrow). Carcharoth (talk) 19:58, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
        • What does accessibility look like?....
          Just offhand, there were a couple of other individuals on that thread talking about, I think, file hosting options. Might be good to get the folk with pieces to the accessibility puzzle all together in the same Signpost issue, so they can get to know each other better....—Neotarf (talk) 21:46, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
          • Carcharoth, thank you. You may find it easier and more rewarding to collaborate with two of the other editors here? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:22, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Accessibility is hard. For instance, as I understand it, for a couple years, Wikipedia has used a CAPTCHA system unusable by the blind, and requires it for every edit, I think up to autoconfirmed. Could Ed have done better? Yes, but it's probably better to explain how, ideally with accessibility checklists. Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:50, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
I, too, am grateful for your comments, Ed. It is always sad to see an immensely talented person go off the rails and sink into rage over the most minor sort of criticism, and I am sure that you were in a terrible bind. Take care, Ed, your work at the Signpost is appreciated. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:00, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Cullen328—you're much too kind. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:22, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


Thanks for the catch - I knew he was a prolific MILHIST author, but hadn't realized he worked so much on ships. Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:22, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

@Adam Cuerden: No problem, I work (on and off...) in the same topic area, so it was an easy catch for me. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:48, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 02 July 2014[edit]

Battle of Öland FAC[edit]

Since you provided helpful comments and/or reviewing in related quality assessments, I'm dropping a notice that battle of Öland is now an FAC. Please feel free to drop by with more input!

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Spontaneous challenges[edit]

Hi Ed,

I'm wondering if I could lean on your better knowledge of WikiProjects and community contests and related things. I recently came into a cache of reproduction WWI and WWII posters from the the NARA Trust Fund (like these) which we thought would make excellent contest prizes. I'm interested in having spontaneous, non-self-serving challenges (like "there is no article on the concept of national archives, like the existing national library article; free poster to the first person who writes one!"). But I'm not sure where to list that where it would actually get enough visibility to be successful (without spamming), and I'm not interested in anything that would involve a lot of overhead, like creating a new contest page at WP:NARA and then investing a lot of time promoting it to the community. Any idea where this kind of thing could go? Dominic·t 20:43, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

@Dominic: Well. Ruling out the quick and dirty way (spamming) kind of limits your options. ;-) Just ideas from the top of my head, but you could work through the Military history coordinators (oh which I am one) to create a central page and promote it to the project members? And perhaps you would monitor the page and approve/deny article suggestions ("is fall of Constantinople important enough? Yes. Is USS LST-198? Probably not")? Granted, this does hinge a bit on what you meant by "spontaneous". Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:57, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Putting it in the Signpost might not be a bad idea, but I'd suggest telling Ed alone, so that noone'll get a heads up by reading it before publication day. Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:06, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Adam does have a point... you might consider keeping the start date quiet so there's no bad blood later ("you started early!"). Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 17:40, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I wasn't being so optimistic that it would get that competitive. I was just hoping for any response. :-) Let's try the WikiProject first and see how it goes. I guess all I meant by "spontaneous" was that I want this to be informal; I'll keep doing this as long as I have supplies/postage and people are happy with the idea, but I didn't want to make a big deal out of it (or use the Signpost megaphone, probably) unless the community is clamoring for it. Anyway, here's a draft of the idea: User:Dominic/Challenge. Do you think that could be supported by the Military history WikiProject? (I'm not necessarily seeing this as limited in scope to the topic area of military history, but I'm not sure if that is a problem for you.) Dominic·t 19:17, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
@Dominic: Ah, I see—fair enough :-) I'll post this on the coordinator's talk page and see what we can put together. It's not a problem to promote the page even if it's not limited to milhist (we're pretty informal), but can you find at least one milhist article so that we have a raison de etre to send it around? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:00, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
@Dominic: Just following up here—any chance of adding a Milhist article to the mix before I go to the coords? :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 17:40, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Just added one that I am aware of now, though I haven't compiled a list yet so it's pretty specific (but passes the notability test in my opinion). Dominic·t 20:38, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
I've added a query on the coordinator's talk page! You may want to think up a couple more articles so that you can attract a broader segment of participants, though. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:04, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
@Dominic: It's been advertised in Milhist's Bugle, and I'll put a blurb on WT:MILHIST once you've put a couple more articles up (both are currently taken :-) ) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:40, 20 July 2014 (UTC)


Think I've got FPs; think you'd be willing to do lists? I'll probably do them if you can't, but with the two articles in this week, I want to get ahead a little. How's the WikiCup report look? Adam Cuerden (talk) 20:41, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey Adam, I'll try to get to them after work tomorrow. I'm working on a Wikimania financials piece, so it's a little complicated at the moment. :p The WikiCup report looks pretty good to me. I like the gallery ... I can't wait for regular images to look like that (aka no frames). Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:00, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks to some excellent work by SchroCat, I woke to find I just had to btweak the images and write to he last FP description. By the way: I used a gallery for the Pont du Hard at the bottom. It now automatically scales to the window: very convenient for a panorama. Adam Cuerden (talk) 12:17, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
It scales to the width of a user's window? Absolutely brilliant! Nice work, Adam. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 21:18, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: June 2014[edit]

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I should probably warn that I'm going to be very, very busy in August. I should still be able to do image selection, but the writeups take a few hours, so I really can't promise too much on that account. Adam Cuerden (talk) 22:19, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I'm still working on finding someone to help you out! :-) Heading over to SchroCat now, actually. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 21:18, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Signpost next week[edit]

(As in, not the one about to be published, but the one after)

Godot13 has hit 100 featured pictures since the start of the year. I would like to do a short interview with him. Any objections? Adam Cuerden (talk) 01:03, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

None at all. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:30, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 09 July 2014[edit]

Sorry for the delay?[edit]

Hi Ed! It seems that most of the new issues of the Signpost are published with an edit summary of "Sorry for the delay". Are they all missing some publication deadline, or is there some in-group joke that I've missed? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:37, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey GoingBatty, we're technically supposed to publish on Wednesdays (or for this week, 9 July), but we rarely make it due to a combination of factors... mostly contributor availability. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:03, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Multiple pinging[edit]

Your revision of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions at 17:45, 14 July 2014 (edit summary: "a lot of pings") reminded me of Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 127#Multiple pinging (July 2014). I found some of the replies difficult to understand, but you might be able to understand them well enough to use them.
Wavelength (talk) 19:32, 14 July 2014 (UTC) and 19:58, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

@Wavelength: Ah, I think I was supposed to use {{ping group}}. Thanks for the note, as I wouldn't have found it otherwise! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 00:14, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm stopping the top 25/Traffic Report[edit]

Sorry to spring this on you, but it's a thankless job and I'm sick of the abuse. So I hope you can find someone masochistic enough to take it on. Serendipodous 23:37, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

@Serendipodous: Thankless is definitely understandable, and I'm sorry that I didn't remember to watch the page this week. Had I done so, I would have stepped in long ago. Is there anything I can do to convince you to stay? Otherwise, I'm going to be very sorry to see you go. I've always liked the section as something different than our normal material. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 00:14, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
I dunno. I'm going though a difficult time right now and I really don't need this additional pressure. Maybe when I've sorted some things out in real life, then I'll come back. Serendipodous 00:19, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Same reason I'm out: 10 days of abuse, mockery, insults (some of them sexualised and violent); then Wales' referring to me as an abuser on his high-traffic talk page, an accusation for 3000 watchlisters to see for day after day at the opening: that sealed it. Why would I want to bust my guts every week serving a community I now despise? And that's aside from the related internal issues. Go to hell and burn, I say to the community. Tony (talk)
@Serendipodous: I hear ya. In the meantime, I'll try to find someone to fill the gap created by your departure, but even if I get a person, you're always welcome back (smaller workload for you, right? :-) ). Best of luck, and let me know if I can help with anything on-wiki in the future! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:04, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
@Serendipodous: Sorry to butt in, came here for something else but saw this and wanted to say that I'm sorry to see you go. I've always enjoyed reading the traffic report. I can't imagine why someone would subject someone else to abuse over something like that, but people always manage to amaze me with their stupidity. I hope we can preserve this feature in some form or recreate it when you return from your wikibreak. Gamaliel (talk) 21:46, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Thankfully, Milowent is going to take it over for the moment. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:37, 18 July 2014 (UTC)


Hey Ed. I was wondering if you had time to take a look at a Request Edit here to add a History section, create a more neutral Lead that isn't UNDUE with lawsuits, introduce an Align Technology section about the product's manufacturer, and optionally cut out a massive body of OR/synth for medical claims. It should make it almost GA-ready, once I add a more proper section about all the medical studies on the subject.

John Broughton reviewed the draft already, but he typically just provides feedback without actually performing the request edit - he's asked me to only rely on him as a backup for such tasks. CorporateM (Talk) 23:13, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey CM, I'm far too busy at the moment to look into this thoroughly. Sorry! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:37, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

In other news[edit]

May be a bit proofread out, but I'm still plotting images a bit. So, South Carolina-class battleship. I think File:USS New Hampshire c1910 LOC ggbain 04455.jpg, File:Photograph of the Battleship USS Michigan at the Brooklyn Navy Yard - NARA - 19-N-61-6-25.jpg and - although it has some very awkward damage - see the bright horizontal stripe in the middle? File:Photograph of the Battleship USS Michigan - NARA - 19-N-13573.jpg are the potential FPs in it. What do you think? Adam Cuerden (talk) 02:08, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey Adam! I'd go with File:Photograph_of_the_Battleship_USS_Michigan_-_NARA_-_19-N-13573.jpg. The other Michigan image is from the stern, and New Hampshire is a comparison image of an earlier ship (and not representative of the South Carolinas!) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:37, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Also Adam Cuerden, I'd like to publish before work tomorrow (about seven hours) or at least on my lunch break (ten to eleven) as I have a time-sensitive SR to go out. Can you get the FPs finished by then? Sorry for the short notice! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:43, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 16 July 2014[edit]

Update to MediaViewer[edit]

Hi The ed, there is an update to MediaViewer, the story you recently covered in the Signpost, see [1]. Would it be possible for me to have a chat with Adam (here or on IRC) when we both have time so I can learn the ropes? Thanks, Matty.007 19:28, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I've commented on that one at meta:Research_talk:Media_Viewer_preference_elicitation#Commment_from_Adam_Cuerden:_I_like_Media_Viewer.2C_but... - I think the WMF sometimes doesn't quite realise the distinction between new functionality (generally fine) and replacement to old functionality (much, much more likely to cause problems/upset.) Adam Cuerden (talk) 00:00, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the link, Matty -- I'll put it in an IB for next week. As for IRC, I'll let you and Adam agree on a time that works best for both of you :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:01, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue C, July 2014[edit]

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Book review[edit]

I've finished reading the books and am starting to work on the review. (Thanks again for the invitation.) What's the deadline for the next Signpost and how do I submit the draft? Thanks, Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:50, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey Newyorkbrad, the deadline for this edition is Wednesday, but I'd like to run the review on the 30th, as I have a different opinion piece ready to go for this coming week, and I'd rather not dilute theirs or yours by running them together. As for submitting the draft, we normally have opinion writers submit them by Google doc or email (but if you're uncomfortable with that, I've created a spot for you in our newsroom). :-) Thanks again! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 00:17, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm happy to run on the 30th. What would the deadline be for that issue? Thanks, Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:19, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
The 30th, as we typically publish a day or two after the listed date. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 00:25, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Great, thanks. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:27, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 23 July 2014[edit]

FC and the Signpost[edit]

I really wish you wouldn't publish when the one part of the Signpost seen by 20,000 people a day - about a hundred times the views of any other part of the Signpost - isn't done. It automatically updates Portal:Featured content, and makes all of us look bad. If you do that again, I'm going to resgn, because you've just basically told me that I'll be spending the next three hours dropping any plans I had for tonight, such as sleeping. Adam Cuerden (talk) 02:34, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey Adam Cuerden, it took me a few minutes to find it, but this is why I made this change—to give you time to complete it. Don't worry, I had the portal in mind when I published, but I do apologize for not letting you know in advance. Sleep and come back tomorrow when you're refreshed. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:40, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
That would probably have best been told me before I put in an hour and a half of panicked work, but... never mind, it's done. Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:32, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Well... I tried to say it fast enough. Apologies again. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:51, 27 July 2014 (UTC)


Heads up for the Signpost. Also, note that next week's FC is the last one before August starts up, and I will not be able to do anything like last night's work again, someone else will need to write all of it, I can help with images, but that's it until the end of August. I mean, maybe I could do more, but it cannot be my responsibility. Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:15, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

That's fine, Adam. We have Matty, who's agreed to help out; SchroCat is keeping an eye on it; Ian can pitch in if needed; and I can always call in a favor or two. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:51, 27 July 2014 (UTC)


For the administrative assistance at SMS Goeben. Srnec (talk) 18:58, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Anytime! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

FC for this week[edit]

Well, I've done all the FPs. There was worries about inaccuracy in your description of The FP, but I got the author of the article to do a replacement, so that's fine. Not very many good illustrations in the articles or lists this week. Only one that was close was the Alastair Sim list, but those were tiny images, and I do like to give people something they can click on and be impressed by. Title's a horrible old wordplay joke, but tell me that you wouldn't make it given that FA and that FP. Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:52, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

I like the title! Will comment on your page about the inaccuracy. And remember, there's no need to be 'fair' in the imagery. We're here to make the page and P:FC look good. :P Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I know, but I do like to try. Hence why there's suddenly a Red Skelton image at FPC. ;) That happens more often than you'd think... Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:58, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh, one warning: I've noticed a lot of FPs have been promoted already this week. Shouldn't be too many more - looks like probably about 15 total - but FPs are the ones I find most time-consuming. If you'll finish the FLs this week, I'll ease the way towards the changeover by starting the documentation work instead. Adam Cuerden (talk) 00:03, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Never mind. Turns out most were in a set. Adam Cuerden (talk) 00:34, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Prep work's done at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2014-08-06/Featured content
Thanks, Adam! Just how much will you be able to do in the coming month? Some, I hope? :p Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:21, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Let's not plan on anything more than layout - choosing images and such. Anything above that is a bonus. Adam Cuerden (talk) 05:52, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Alrighty, we'll do what we can. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:57, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Could always fall back on quotes from the articles. I'll try to do more, but if I say I can do more, it removes the point of me asking for the time off, to make sure I needn't put in time I don't have. Adam Cuerden (talk) 06:02, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
  • "It's a lovely painting, and I rather wish this issue of the sign"... Adam, I don't think that sentence is done. I'm so curious, wish that the Signpost what? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:31, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
    • Oh , um, I was originally going to say "I rather wish this issue of the Signpost had room for it." Then I made room. Adam Cuerden (talk) 01:33, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


Because it is. Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:34, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, speaking as the editor, of course I'd like the extra views ... but I think people will take issue with the occasional miscues that we have. We'll see. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:14, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Redlinks and the Signpost[edit]

Hi- are you open for suggestions for op-ed pieces in the Signpost? Something I've come across recently, which I find slightly baffling, is an aversion some people have to redlinks. How would you feel about me knocking together a little piece in praise of redlinks for the Signpost? It'd probably take a week or two. J Milburn (talk) 15:59, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Sounds interesting. Care to mention that a low number of redlinks is actually a featured article criteria on some Wikipedias? (Say, the Indonesian one). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 17:00, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
    • Yes, I'm completely open to it. I have a spot open on the 13th; does that work? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:53, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
      • Ed: Perfect. Crisco: Thanks, I didn't know that. J Milburn (talk) 11:21, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
        • Yep. In the Indonesian WP, criteria 1b: "... tidak memiliki pranala merah yang terlalu banyak" (does not contain too many redlinks). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:48, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
          • @J Milburn:} VGAs (Very Good Articles, the FA analog) on the Simple English Wikipedia can't have any redlinks last time I checked the criteria. Imzadi 1979  12:55, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
            • Thank you both; very interesting. The closest we have on enwp, AFAIK, is the rejected proposal WP:STABLE, which says that a stable article "has not red links". A load of tosh, to my eyes. J Milburn (talk) 14:51, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I've started drafting at User:J Milburn/Signpost opinion piece. It may change yet. J Milburn (talk) 19:48, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

@J Milburn: I don't mind it being around 1000 words or so, but if it goes over that, you could consider splitting it into two parts. It may have more impact that way, as people will read through the entire thing. Your call; I don't mind either way! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:10, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Book review[edit]

It's pretty much done; I'm proofreading it now and trying to make it more concise. Can I have another hour or so? Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:47, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

@Newyorkbrad: You've got time; I don't anticipate publishing for another 24 hours or so. Just wanted to ping you early enough so you'd have time to complete it! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:54, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
In that case, I'll give it a final readthrough in the morning with a fresh pair of eyes. Thanks. Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:55, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
That's fine—thank you again! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:07, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Done and in my sandbox. Sorry it's so long! Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:00, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I did a quick proof-read and made a couple small edits. NYB will want to look at the first one, as I had a question about word choice. —Neotarf (talk) 00:45, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Good edits; thanks very much. Newyorkbrad (talk) 01:06, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Glad you don't mind, everything needs new eyes on it. Wonder what Ed would think about an illustration? My personal favorite is File:Books (7003021898).jpg, the tan and blue gilded hardcovers, looks like a lawyers bookshelf, but maybe a graphic would be more sedate. . —Neotarf (talk) 02:01, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Neotarf, have you ever heard of using a gallery? ;-) Newyorkbrad, thanks. I'm exhausted and about to go to bed so I have enough sleep for work tomorrow, but I will publish either while I'm out to lunch or as soon as I get off. Neotarf's suggestion of admitting images would be very helpful, as they can break up the wall of text. A couple section headers could help too, but it's up to you. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:54, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I was thinking about section headers; I will go ahead and add some. I defer to your and Neotarf's discretion on adding images. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 05:05, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Gallery? Okay, I got it to work, sort of.
  • Section headers: This could probably be done more creatively, but I have added the book titles as section headers. Since the books are alternately referred to by title and author, making the title of the book clear in the section title could avoid some confusion.
  • Editor's note: Does Ed want to add some introduction here? I have tentatively started one. Not sure if NYB wants to use his real name here, or if it's traditional with the SP.
  • Images: I have added an image of Pundit, the only free one I could find. I could not find a free image of Charles Seife. I got as far as finding an image of an elephant, with the thought of linking to tripling of elephants hoax so that section would have an image. It's at [2] but not sure how to copy-paste the fancy new mediaviewer thing. Not sure if it's a good idea anyhow. Ed is really the image guru. —Neotarf (talk) 13:41, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Adding my real name is fine if it's customary, up to the two of you. Newyorkbrad (talk) 14:58, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

I say use it. My preference is to credit people, unless they really, really prefer a low profile. And it will probably add to the pageviews. ;-) —Neotarf (talk) 16:16, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Okay, please feel free to add it. I haven't done it myself because I'm not sure where exactly it would go. Newyorkbrad (talk) 16:17, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I added it to the note at the beginning. The sentence now seems overly complex, but maybe I've just been looking at it for too long. Hopefully Ed will have a chance to do his magic on it when he goes on break. I also resurrected part of the previous section title and used it in the main title. —Neotarf (talk) 17:36, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the help, Neotarf! @Newyorkbrad: I've made a few formatting changes. I've credited your RL name, but feel free to revert. I'll try to find at least one more image tonight, just to break it up... probably not an elephant, though. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 19:30, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Nicely done, the larger image too. But now with the title changed, is the book review part clear? Would a new topic sentence serve as an introduction to the purpose of the piece--summer reading, interest in Wikipedia, whatever, or just the fact of the publication of two books on the subject--and help tie the piece together? —Neotarf (talk) 20:16, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, it's located under /Book review, so I think that's enough. ;-) I'm not sure what you're proposing with the latter? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:08, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Oh perfect, I thought it was going to say "feature" or somesuch. BTW, do you know anything about freezing talk pages? I've gotten some weird manifestations lately and won't be around to revert things for a while. —Neotarf (talk) 08:01, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Could you protect it for, say, a week, starting any time?—Neotarf (talk) 08:10, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Hey Neotarf, full-protecting talk pages is pretty much never done. See Wikipedia:PROTECT#User_talk_pages. Sorry :/ Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 13:11, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Ok, thx :/ —Neotarf (talk) 18:47, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 7[edit]

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Books & Bytes
Issue 7, June-July 2014
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  • Seven new donations, two expanded partnerships
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The Signpost: 30 July 2014[edit]

Documenting featured topics[edit]

This is not easy. In the best case scenario, you can check the history of Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates for the last week or two and that may get you the nom and nominator. However, they can also be automatically promoted. In that case, check the talk page of the candidate, and, if that fails, guess based on the structure of other candidates, e.g. Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/NOMNAME/archive1. Note that Good topics use that structure for candidate pages too. Adam Cuerden (talk) 01:57, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

By the sound of all this being confusing and tedious, it may call for some reforming and such on the process. GamerPro64 02:24, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
GamerPro! I was just about to ping you into this conversation. When you promote a topic, could you put a note in the Signpost's newsroom? I'm not really sure what we can do about automatic promotion... it's not worth the effort to go through all of the FTs each week to see which ones move up. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:26, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
I got it. I remember doing that before but stopped for some reason. But seeing how automatic promotion is becoming an issue, I'll do it again. by the way, I have plans on promoting two new Featured Topics next week so that'll be a good start. GamerPro64 02:32, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
They are, at least, fairly consistently put onto the WP:GO to show they were promoted. The easiest way to document might just be to put a template onto the talk page of the topic, similar to {{FP}}, {{FS}}, etc, that links to the nomination, and also adds any desired templates. Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:21, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Why not ask someone to write a script, like what they use at FPC? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:24, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Adam, might be a good idea since it'll be easier to differentiate between ones that were demoted. Probably should also make one for Good Topics too. And Crisco, that's a pretty good idea. I'll look into asking someone about making a script. GamerPro64 04:46, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
  • One idea: The nominations are of a very regular pattern, so I'd be inclined, when starting off, to have a simple substitutable template that would look through the archive pages and link to the last one. This would simplify things a LOT for you.

Something like you'd have at Template:Temporary FT setup:

{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#ifexist:Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>BASEPAGENAME}}/archive5|{{featured topic|nom=Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>BASEPAGENAME}}/archive5| [Repeat for 4, 3, 2, 1, in order, as nested ifexist checks here.] }}

Then you could just {{subst:Temporary FT setup}} and it would set things up for you. Adam Cuerden (talk) 11:48, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
So do I slap that text up top in the Temporary FT template? GamerPro64 17:30, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Hold on. Do you have the FT template for the talk page yet? Because it needs to match the format. Adam Cuerden (talk) 22:58, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
I created the template right here. Hopefully I did it right. As well, I found this TfD that really shows how rough it was for the project back then. Kinda unsettling at that. GamerPro64 02:35, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Argentine elections[edit]

Hi, Ed:

Thank you for that; I'm glad you found my work useful. Argentina is a fascinating country, and their politics certainly never want for drama.

I must admit this was quite a blast from the past for me, as I haven't done any large-scale editing for a couple of years now. Of course, I do still contribute here and there, but rarely bother to log in anymore. If there's anything you've noticed missing or mistaken in any of those articles, or anything else I've contributed substantially to, please let me know.

Thanks again for that kind note.

Sherlock4000 (talk) 00:57, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2014-08-06/Featured content[edit]

I can't do much more than I've done this week; I do hope the people you have are going to step in soon. Adam Cuerden (talk) 10:45, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Scrambling a bit now that Matty retired, but I have at least one person, and I just asked another. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 14:25, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
If you can hold the thing until Monday, I can probably finish it... Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:05, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
I think if you combine Diliff's, and talk about the tour of cathedrals he's doing, paid for by Wikimedia UK, this shouldn't be too bad to finish. Adam Cuerden (talk) 22:52, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
If you can't get it done from where I'm leaving it now, then I don't know what you're going to do in the third week. I've done more work than I should have, to try and help out. Adam Cuerden (talk) 02:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Right. So that just leaves topics. That's two items. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 02:30, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Crisco, you're awesome—once again, I'm in your debt. I've been offline for family reasons. Thanks to you too, Adam, for listing all of the items to include this week. I'll be publishing in a couple hours when I get home and finish NAN. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:37, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I think I can do next week, week after that is my second August show, though. P.S. Any WWI images to restore? Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:04, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

That would be helpful! Re WWI, there's the South Carolina image that you were looking at a little bit ago. You could also ask on WT:MILHIST, or I can hunt down some suggestions later today. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 13:01, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Noone else seems that interested.... Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:51, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Ah. Give me some times and I'll take a look for good images! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:26, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Let's start with 1915 anniversaries. Adam Cuerden (talk) 05:28, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Argentine socialists[edit]

Hello again, Ed.

I wish I could be of more help there, but my knowledge of Argentine history is probably a little too general to be able to really contribute to your work. My guess is that Congressman Juan B. Justo probably led the unsuccessful charge to stop such earmarks. The outbreak of World War I caused a severe recession in Argentina, pushing already high unemployment to 20% and eroding already poor wages by 30%, so Justo and fellow Socialist Congressman Alfredo Palacios were as you know none too pleased to see boondoggles like that on the budget.

Pointless wartime hysteria, of course, led to increases in already excessive defense budgets during the world wars despite Argentina's neutrality in both; and until the Perón era (when social spending and economic subsidies took center stage), the military remained the biggest item in the national budget at about 40% of the total. The right-wing nature of most Argentine presidencies probably had less to do with that as the fact that the military had just been too much of a gravy train for too many contractors (and well-greased politicians) to be curbed in any real way.

Some things never really change, do they.

Thank you for those links, by the way. Even if my heavy-duty editing days on Wikipedia are behind me, I look forward to what must surely be interesting reading.

All the best, Ed. Let's keep in touch.

Sherlock4000 (talk) 01:35, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

@Sherlock4000: If you happen to come across any references that confirm that those politicians did that, please let me know! Otherwise, you're right in that it's all a bit too general to include. Still, it's certainly some interesting backstory... and (incidentally) if you have any sources on the interwar or post-WWII Argentine Navy, I'd use them. ;-) Please do stay in touch, and if you happen to read any of my articles, please feel free to leave feedback! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:37, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Will do! Sherlock4000 (talk) 00:59, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Precious again[edit]

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Thank you for your constant flow of featured content on battleships (planning 2021), for editing the Signpost, and for your diligence in language questions without a battle, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (5 and 6 April 2009 - what did you do then to be noticed by two?)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:57, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Two years ago, you were the 206th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:08, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:37, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—July and August 2014[edit]


The VisualEditor team is currently working mostly to fix bugs, improve performance, reduce technical debt, and other infrastructure needs. You can find on weekly updates detailing recent work.

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The Signpost WikiProject report[edit]


I asked User:Mabeenot on 19 July if I could conduct a WikiProject interview for The Signpost about WikiProject Baseball, described in the above diff. It's been a couple of weeks, and I haven't heard back. Thus, I would like to proceed with the interview for a WikiProject report in an upcoming edition of the paper, but I'd like to have permission from a Signpost editor first. Thank you for your time. Seattle (talk) 18:52, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey Seattle, given the subject, I don't have a problem with you doing an interview. What date would you be planning to complete it for? Best, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:37, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
I can have it completed by August 20. Seattle (talk) 12:06, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
That sounds great! Please keep me updated as you go along. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 13:01, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 06 August 2014[edit]

Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2014-08-13/Opinion essay[edit]

I know it's a little longer than you were ideally looking for, but what do you think? J Milburn (talk) 16:43, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Would it be worthwhile to mention WP:OVERLINK at this point? There are some style considerations mentioned at Wikipedia:OVERLINK#Red links as well. —Neotarf (talk) 21:11, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
It might be worth it to mention that you shouldn't overlink redlinks (aka don't overuse them)... but adding an entire paragraph might be a tangent. Otherwise, I think it looks pretty good! Do you want to keep the periods in your numbered lists or make them into colons? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:52, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
I didn't mean necessarily in the piece, but just to be aware of the considerations (and that the MOS does talk about it, in case there are questions or comments). The guideline he links to actually has quite a bit on the topic, but some people can take this stuff to heart, without paying attention to the finer details. —Neotarf (talk) 23:24, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

A thought[edit]

Hey Ed, I don't know what the timetable is but I had a thought. You might be aware that Pendright's Mahan-class destroyer article has passed FAC - it occurred to me that this is the kind of thing that should get top billing in the next edition of the Signpost. You don't see too many WWII veterans writing high-quality articles about the things in which they were involved 70+ years ago, you know. It might even be something interview-worthy (and perhaps especially once his USS Mahan (DD-364) article makes it to FAC). Parsecboy (talk) 12:13, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

@Parsecboy: Would you be willing to lend your expertise to the Featured content report this week? I'll try to find a Mahan-class destroyer image to lead with. Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:25, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Let's see... he served on Mahan and Cone... Fingers crossed. Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:27, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Dominic said here that he's going to pull the Mahan images when he's back from Wikimania. I say we hold Mahan-class destroyer back a week and do this right. Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:47, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Heh, I was about to give you a hard time on Dominic's talk page about your having forgotten the earlier discussion ;)
I'm sure you've seen by now, but Dominic has uploaded some scans, he pinged you at the Mahan ACR. Parsecboy (talk) 19:40, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm working on one already. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:48, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi all- Parsec, that's a brilliant idea. I'll get an interview together, although it most likely won't run for two weeks, as I'm moving across the country next week. Adam, I'm going to be receiving a draft for the Wikimania story at some point in the next few hours. Will you be able to finish FC tonight or no? Just need to plan here. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 21:53, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Can I have until tomorrow for FC? It'll make it a lot less stressful. Adam Cuerden (talk) 22:10, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
That's fine! :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:52, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
FYI, I also sent Pendright an email earlier today when I found out about this. I think this is the perfect story to feature on the National Archives' blog, so I am curious if he is interested in contributing or being interviewed. :-) Dominic·t 01:27, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
@Dominic: Would you be interested in co-interviewing him? Obviously we'll have a couple of different questions, but the bulk of the interview will be the same. Might result in less work for us. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 16:53, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: July 2014[edit]

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Rhino ferry[edit]

Hey Ed, got a nice little war stub for you. This came out of a BLPN note about Edwin Hunt (waterman)--if you can do anything for that article, that'd be great. Thanks pal, Drmies (talk) 15:27, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey Drmies, I'm going to throw this one to WT:MILHIST too. I'm moving down to your area of the country (sort of ... NC) on Monday and have less than zero extra time right now! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 16:53, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
  • That's a nice state. Hope you have time to check out some waterfalls, and make sure to give Dennis Brown a buzz. Thanks Ed, and good luck with the move, Drmies (talk) 17:01, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Eh, we'll see, that's literally on the opposite side of the state. ;-) I'm planning on visiting Dank and the good folks in DC at some point; maybe we should just organize a meetup... Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 19:38, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I smell barbecue. - Dank (push to talk) 19:45, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Incidentally, have I mentioned that North Carolina BBQ is in my top five reasons for being excited to move? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 19:50, 14 August 2014 (UTC)


Replied on my talk page - sorry for my inability to help this week. But seren has done the new top25.--Milowenthasspoken 03:22, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Dear TPSers[edit]

I'm preparing to drive to my new home on Monday (halfway across the US) and will be mostly out of contact. For the same reason, writing "News and notes" at the Signpost isn't going to happen. Anyone interested in pitching in? :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 19:00, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CI, August 2014[edit]

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The Signpost: 13 August 2014[edit]


Well, after the giant FC last week, a very short one this week. This shouldn't be too hard. Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:37, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Best wishes[edit]

Hi Ed, I saw your news. I hope that you're OK, and are looking after yourself. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 10:57, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Indeed. Good luck getting home. I presume your insurance won't cover it? Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:56, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Heh, I wish. I've never needed insurance until now, but I got a cheaperish plan—so despite paying over $100/month for years, I'm going to get ... a grand total of nothing. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 00:09, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
I hope you get better insurance in the future! Not to rub salt in the wound, but I pay less than that and I get collision insurance, so I think you may get a better deal elsewhere. --Pine 09:34, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

GOCE July drive and August blitz[edit]

Guild of Copy Editors July 2014 backlog elimination drive wrap-up
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Can you make User:The ed17/Good articles by prose size, User:The ed17/Good articles by wiki text, User:The ed17/Featured articles by prose size, User:The ed17/Featured articles by wiki text, and User:Dr pda/Featured article statistics, monthly or quarterly updated resources?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:25, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

I can't promise exact quarterly updates, but I can update them more often, yes. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:45, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
When can you do this next?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:48, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
The featured articles have been updated for a few days now. The wiki text good article is now done, and I'm doing the prose size one now. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:13, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Is the 5th list worth updating?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:20, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
No, it's simply a combination of the two FA lists I have above. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:25, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 20 August 2014[edit]

Possible Signpost article[edit]

Sorry to hear about your car being totaled. Had a somewhat similar incident that happened with family just yesterday. But anyway, I've been getting messages involving questions about Featured Topics and what people have to do to get their GTs to FTs and whatnot. It occurred to me that the Featured Topic project hasn't exactly been understood compared to the bigger Featured Content projects. So, I was thinking if an article about the history of Featured Topics and the process of getting one works is made, maybe people can get a better understanding on the process and makes people who want to nominate topics of their own feel much easier knowing how it all works. If that can happen, I can write it up myself. GamerPro64 01:22, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it's been fun. I'm just thankful that no one was injured, which would have turned this into a truly nasty situation. Hope your family member is doing well!
We've previously done a series similar to what you are proposing; see Template:FCDW. While it's been quite some time since we last ran it consistently, I'd love to run an article like what you propose under that banner. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:45, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
The only damage that accumulated from all of it is that my sister's car is inoperable now. Didn't get into an accident. Just died in the middle of a highway.
So I'll try to write up a draft for the feature. I was always fond of the FC Dispatch section of the Signpost. GamerPro64 12:15, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Well. That's strange, and certainly doesn't bode well for the car. I'm glad she came out alright!
Sounds good! Please let me know when you've gotten something together. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 00:17, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#.22courtesy_of.22_in_photo_captions.3F CombatWombat42 (talk) 17:28, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I've commented there. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 00:17, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


Time for the standard Signpost contract again?Neotarf (talk) 21:05, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't object to an opinion piece about the banning policy if Newyorkbrad is interested... but, he may not be. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 00:17, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm interested, but we're about to open an arbitration case on the subject, so it isn't the right moment. I'll have more time and scope for general writing about wiki issues when my arb term expires at the end of the year. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:27, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
That's understandable. We can work something out after the term end. Thanks, NYB! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:09, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
I'll be looking forward to seeing how it turns out. I was hoping for a semi-regular feature, maybe "Brad Speaks", or either a "Majority Report" or "Minority Report". I hope this doesn't discourage the nascent essay. —Neotarf (talk) 04:51, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, we don't do columns. It's too much of one editor's opinion for a broadly egalitarian community. :p Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:54, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Unless you recruit a second arb to provide equal time. :P Isn't that how SCOTUS does it? A column is more work than it looks though. —Neotarf (talk) 05:07, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

How are things going?[edit]

You say you can check in more often - does this mean you're at least somewhat sorted? Adam Cuerden (talk) 02:08, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I'm settled into my new place. Still very busy with the beginning of grad school, and that probably won't abate, unfortunately. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:09, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 27 August 2014[edit]

WikiCup 2014 August newsletter[edit]

The final of the 2014 WikiCup begins in a few short minutes! Our eight finalists are listed below, along with their placement in Round 4:

  1. Smithsonian Institution Godot13 (submissions), a WikiCup newcomer, finished top of Pool A and was the round's highest scorer. Godot is a featured picture specialist, claiming large numbers of points due to high-quality scans of historical documents, especially banknotes.
  2. Scotland Casliber (submissions) is a WikiCup veteran, having been a finalist every year since 2010. In the semi-final, he was Pool B's highest scorer. Cas's points primarily come from articles on the natural sciences.
  3. Nepal Czar (submissions) was Pool A's runner-up. Czar's points come mostly from content related to independent video games, including both articles and topics.
  4. Oh, better far to live and die / Under the brave black flag I fly... Adam Cuerden (submissions) was Pool B's runner-up. Another featured picture specialist, many of Adam's points come from the restoration of historical media. He has been a WikiCup finalist twice before.
  5. Wales Cwmhiraeth (submissions) won the WikiCup in 2012 and 2013, and enters this final as the first wildcard. She focuses on biology-related articles, and has worked on several high-importance articles.
  6. Florida 12george1 (submissions) is the second wildcard. George's points come primarily from meteorology-related articles. This year and last year, George was the first person in the competition to score.
  7. Colorado Sturmvogel 66 (submissions), the third wildcard, was the 2010 champion and a finalist last year. His writes mostly on military history, especially naval history.
  8. Canada Bloom6132 (submissions), the fourth and final wildcard, has participated in previous WikiCups, but not reached any finals. Bloom's points are mostly thanks to did you knows, featured lists and good articles related to sport and national symbols.

We say goodbye to this year's semi-finalists. Herm Matty.007 (submissions), Ohio ThaddeusB (submissions), United States WikiRedactor (submissions), Idaho Figureskatingfan (submissions), Greece Yellow Evan (submissions), Portugal Prism (submissions) and Bartošovice v Orlických horách Cloudz679 (submissions) have all performed well to reach this stage of the competition, and we hope they will all be joining us again next year.

There are two upcoming competitions unrelated to the WikiCup which may be of interest to those who receive this newsletter. The Stub Contest will run through September, and revolves around expanding stub articles, especially high-importance or old stubs. In addition, a proposal has been made for a new competition, the GA Cup, which the organisers plan to run next year. This competition is based on the WikiCup and aims to reduce the good article review backlog.

There is now a thread for brainstorming on how next year's WikiCup competition should work. Please come along and share your thoughts- What works? What doesn't work? What needs changing? Signups for next year's competition will be open soon; we will be in touch. If, at this stage of the competition, you are keen to help the with the WikiCup, please do what you can to participate in review processes. Our finalists will find things much easier if the backlogs at good article candidates, featured article candidates, featured picture candidates and the rest are kept at a minimum. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk · contribs) The ed17 (talk · contribs) and Miyagawa (talk · contribs) 22:09, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 03 September 2014[edit]

Could you do me a favor...[edit]

and check out the questionables on the top 25 talk page, please? Serendipodous 09:10, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Commented! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 15:56, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: August 2014[edit]

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The Signpost: 10 September 2014[edit]


Hi Ed, I had asked a question here nearly a month ago but haven't gotten an answer yet, since your a news man I thought you might be able to answer it so I can move forward with the idea. TomStar81 (Talk) 23:09, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Commented! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:53, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

On publishing on Wednesday[edit]

Fuck. I think we can combine a bunch of those into a single nom, but it's still going to be a nightmare. I'm going to need help. Adam Cuerden (talk) 06:10, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

@Adam Cuerden: Well, 42 of the FPs can be combined into one; it's a single set of US Treasury secretaries. If you can handle those, I can do the FAs and FLs. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:57, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Even combining, that's still 12 FP entries to write, and they're the ones that take the most time. I'll try, but really can't guarantee anything. On the upside, I stubbornly finished restoring Pierce. Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:07, 16 September 2014 (UTC)


Going to lie down a bit. Will finish FC after. Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:10, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Adam! I've finished the FAs/FLs. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:10, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • And I've finished the FPs. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:09, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Publish at will. By the way, of the three lead images, two of them were me fully restoring an image so we could use it to illustrate the article/list. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:21, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • And two are named John, and two are American, etc. etc. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:32, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Womp, womp. Get some ice for that burn, Adam. ;-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:09, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

In short, I think you can justify the title to exclude every single one. Adam Cuerden (talk) 08:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Basically. Face-wink.svg I may have been trolling for comments. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:15, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 17 September 2014[edit]

Belle Knox[edit]

G4 is for "sufficiently identical and unimproved" recreations. The Belle Knox (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views) was recently the subject of a relatively extensive biographical documentary, which is why I started a new discussion rather than nominating for G4, for which in my opinion it is not a valid candidate. Can you please consider restoring the article and re-opening the AfD? VQuakr (talk) 02:42, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi VQuakr, that's what DRV is for ("if significant new information has come to light since a deletion that would justify recreating the deleted page"). :-) Best, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 17:42, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
I can post to DRV, but the G4 criterion explicitly states, "This excludes pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version." It seems more efficient to simply hold a new AfD than to open a second DRV on the speedy - particularly since the purpose of the second AfD was to discuss whether the new coverage meant the subject was now notable, not to hold a referendum on the previous closure. VQuakr (talk) 02:41, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, but this is what DRV is designed for. It's not always to challenge the closer's interpretation. Also of concern is that it's a BLP, so I'd rather not have this article up for a week (or more) while an AfD goes on. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:58, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
==Deletion review for Belle Knox==

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Belle Knox. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. VQuakr (talk) 03:34, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CII, September 2014[edit]

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I've roughed in the FC for this week. Might end up NOT including all 8 oil paintings; but there honestly isn't THAT much in the articles or lists, and the only other two FPs worth considering are File:Bharata_Natyam_Perfomance_DS.jpg and File:Suleiman_Kova_and_media,_2013_DSM_Building_Collapse.jpg (There's money as well, but we've done a lot of money of late, so I think I'll skip a week on that subject.). FAs and FLs re skewing modern, so limited choices there. Might do the Workman image I've been thinking of restoring that's more square, but, in any case, I'll see how the length looks when the writing's done, and tweak then. Workman's going to be another tribute to Wadewitz, of course. Adam Cuerden (talk) 08:37, 22 September 2014 (UTC)