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Twinkle addition[edit]

Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 06:49, 4 January 2013 (UTC)


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Thanks for adding the multi level warnings. I've added the three related single issue notices to the discussion - would you please add them to Twinkle as well? Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 01:00, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

bug 32234[edit]

Has there been any discussions onwiki about bugzilla:32234 - it appears to have languished a very long time. We probably need to nudge the shell group. John Vandenberg (chat) 04:01, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

As far as I can see, the feature we want hasn't actually been coded into MediaWiki yet, so the shell group is a bit powerless here. There is a general throttle available (each IP address can create only 6 accounts per hour or something along those lines) but not what we want. I adjusted the bug to reflect the current situation. — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:11, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining, and updating the bug. I missed the fact that the current capability is hourly rather than daily. John Vandenberg (chat) 07:02, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Actually, the setting I was thinking of is on a per-day basis (see mw:Manual:$wgAccountCreationThrottle). However, it still doesn't do what we want (it affects logged-in and logged-out users alike). — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:15, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
I see. Have we investigated whether this can be implemented using an 'createaccount' action abuse filter with user_groups/user_age limiters (see mw:Extension:AbuseFilter/RulesFormat) combined with rate throttling (see mw:Extension:AbuseFilter/Actions#Throttling)
If development is needed, I think one approach is to ask for 'createaccount' to be supported by mw:Manual:$wgRateLimits. John Vandenberg (chat) 00:18, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Hmm, it hadn't occurred to me (or to anyone else, apparently) that we could use AbuseFilter for this. However I really don't know much about AbuseFilter, so you might have to ask elsewhere. — This, that, and the other (talk) 01:30, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I don't know anything about whether this is technically feasible; however, if it is, I think it would be a good idea. NW (Talk) 06:41, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

I have created Special:AbuseFilter/527 in logging-only mode (no throttling enabled), and marked it private for the moment (the logs probably should be private). I have also granted you the 'Edit Filter managers', so you can see how it works. I looked through the user creation log for the last few days and found Kendrajzurn (talk · contribs), who recently created three accounts: you can test the filter with that username. John Vandenberg (chat) 21:20, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

We have a hit (not mentioning the name intentionally). I don't understand it, but I am guessing checkuser will reveal all. I'll ask two CUs to come have a look and comment here. John Vandenberg (chat) 22:24, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Yep, that's a vandal creating more vandal accounts. Blocked. NW (Talk) 22:29, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
I don't understand why this filter works, but... if it does, I can't complain. Even with abusefilter rights, there is very little information I can see to confirm the filter is working as intended. I suppose you need to be a checkuser to make the most benefit from it. Still, I trust you folks :) — This, that, and the other (talk) 23:12, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Great, thanks NW. If I understand this correctly, ..
a) the throttle 'ip' setting is working. In some instances, a user creates other accounts while logged in (e.g. Kendrajzurn). In other cases, a person logs out and then creates other accounts. (i.e. N......panocha in the edit filter log and in NW's block log) This edit filter is catching the extra accounts created on the same IP while logged out (if two are created within a day).
b) the fact that we cant see the other accounts of that vandal via the abusefilter interface means that abusefilter isnt leaking private information. If it did show us the other accounts in the latter case of N......panocha, it would mean that the abusefilter interface is linking accounts based on IP, which is almost leaking the underlying IP. This is good news - I think it means that we could make this edit filter public, as it doesnt bleed extra information. But the bad news is that OTT is right; only checkusers can respond to this type of account creation abuse.
There are another six cases of the IP-created accounts in the edit filter log, so it looks like the majority of the hits will require checkuser investigation and intervention, especially while we are trying to gauge whether this edit filter has an acceptable level of false positives.
Special:AbuseLog/8168342 is a little strange, as the account listed doesn't exist - I am guessing that means they tried to create an account, but the attempt was rejected by an IP auto-block. That is a presentation bug. John Vandenberg (chat) 01:13, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
I don't think so. I tested it on my local testwiki, I was unable to access Special:CreateAccount itself with a message saying I was prevented from creating accounts. Legoktm (talk) 01:05, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Take a look at Special:AbuseLog/8211383, Special:AbuseLog/8211403, Special:AbuseLog/8211410, and Special:AbuseLog/8211425. I haven't been able to figure out why these accounts are prevented from being created. Legoktm (talk) 01:05, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Ok I believe this is a symptom of bugzilla:19605. I have no clue what other reason could prevent the creation though... Legoktm (talk) 05:22, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Werdna is the one to contact about this, I'd say. Very few people understand AbuseFilter like Andrew does... After all, he wrote it in the first place :) — This, that and the other (talk) 23:19, 17 February 2013 (UTC)


Hello there
I just need some help. Can we nominate an article for fast deletion or proposed deletion which was proposed for deleting 2 years ago because of None-Notable and low quality and did not deleted because of the result of a voting? Specially if the creator couldn't add more reliable sources or reasons to prove the Notablitiy. --Machinhead666 (talk) 12:34, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Beeblebrox answered this well. — This, that and the other (talk) 01:44, 8 February 2013 (UTC)


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Update section[edit]

I concur with your suggestion. I stepped down the protection level on the template. Could you go ahead an modify it as suggested? Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:50, 11 February 2013 (UTC)


I saw you redirect Tfm-inline to Tfm with the edit summary "no longer required". Why do you think Tfm-inline is no longer required. Is there now a way to make Tfm show an inline version? Because if there is, I didn't see it. Debresser (talk) 09:15, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

I thought you might notice that, Debresser - you seem to have a very keen eye for all things template-related. You can now use {{subst:tfm|other template name|type=inline}}, just as with TFD. — This, that and the other (talk) 09:17, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Would you mind updating the documentation then. Debresser (talk) 21:48, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
To avoid duplication of content in the TFM docs, I included (under the heading "Display in articles") a link to the corresponding TFD template documentation. Do you think that is enough? — This, that and the other (talk) 00:04, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
No I don't. :) That why I came to "complain" here. :) Debresser (talk) 00:06, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Well, it was as simple as a copy-and-paste, then. You probably could even have done it yourself. — This, that and the other (talk) 00:12, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Maybe. But I started a 2-week period of registration in North America at my work in which I work 14 hours a day, and simply don't have the presence of mind for it. Thank you for doing it. Debresser (talk) 01:00, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Worstcook/sandbox[edit]

Hi--I'm hoping you'll explain what you meant with "is related to". It's clear that this user is just using Wikipedia to keep track of some results. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:31, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea how it is related. However, it is clearly related in some way to Amazing Race and Survivor, and "results" tables like this appear in the relevant articles, so it is not inconceivable that the user's sandbox is for an encyclopedic purpose. And besides, it's definitely not "imaginary". I would WP:AGF and let it exist. — This, that and the other (talk) 22:16, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Deepwater Horizon oil spill/draft[edit]

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March 2013[edit]

Hello, I'm This, that and the other. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions because it didn't appear constructive. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! this is a really old browser!!!!This, that and the other (talk) 07:01, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

We'd like your opinion[edit]

A question for people who commented in the RfC at "Probationary Period" and "Not Unless". (Or feel free to reply on my talk page, if you prefer.) - Dank (push to talk) 18:59, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 March 16#Template:Rozz Williams[edit]

Hi, perhaps you'd be interested in revisiting this discussion? Articles have been created and then expanded on a few other albums; three are certainly worthy of articles, others may well be. J Milburn (talk) 16:51, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Hopefully the TFD will be closed as no consensus. — This, that and the other (talk) 23:59, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For creating the header for the Twinkle Teahouse talkback. (Wow, that alliteration!) I assume it was you, at least. If I'm wrong, worry! öBrambleberry of RiverClan 17:05, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
I wrote the code and Amalthea made the change live. So it was teamwork! — This, that and the other (talk) 00:06, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
In that case, here's this instead:
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For writing the code to create a header for Twinkle Teahouse talkback. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 15:08, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
So...yeah. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 15:08, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Re: "Pedant"[edit]

You misunderstood the edit, given that edit summary. You didn't change it back but actually kept in the heart of my edit, and I have no problem with [most of] your edit because it retained that crucial change – which is exquisitely one of substance. It said before, alone, that "draft article submissions to Wikipedia, created via the Article Wizard and subsequently "declined", are considered...", not even mentioning articles for creation. What you seem to be missing is that many articles created through the wizard are not submitted through AFC and people who do not go through the Wizard but start at AFC may be quite unaware they were redirected from AFC to the Wizard when they clicked "Create an article now!". Accordingly, talking about AFC and leaving out the wizard does no great harm, as G13 does, though I do think the wizard should be mentioned on this explanation page. Focusing on the article wizard and leaving out AFC entirely, on the other hand, as you did, is a clear error of focus and information, sure to mislead and confuse the intended readers of the page, many of whom will be scratching their heads having never heard of the wizard, and who will also be reading a criterion in conjunction that talks only about AFC and not the wizard. Also, anyone who submitted an article through the wizard that did not choose the AFC option for creation and found that page would think it applied to them when it does not. And even if none of this was true, your edit summary would be a bit gratuitous.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:35, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry – I realised soon after making the edit that it wasn't the most sensible edit summary I could have used. The thing is, I get frustrated when users expand text destined for newbies (such as notification templates, etc) with tonnes of conditions, exceptions, subordinate clauses and excessive verbiage, just to make it absolutely correct in all possible circumstances. By all means, the exceptions and other technicalities can certainly be written up in the policies, but we don't need to fill our newbie-facing material with "small print" that's not small at all.
Newbies (aside from the tiny minority that are on their way to becoming long-term editors) are simply not going to know the difference between WIZ and AFC, and they won't reach REFUND/G13 from a page outside AFC-space. Not all Wikipedia editors spend a lot of time getting to know our various processes, as we have done... most just come by to do a bit of casual editing, or perhaps article creation, without taking much notice of the exact processes being used. In my view, the KISS principle is one of the keys to editor retention.
I might also point out that your statement "this language made G13 cover all those to which it does not apply" is not totally accurate either, because REFUND/G13 is not a policy at all.
Having said all that, I think we've reached a compromise, and I hope you agree that REFUND/G13 is now better than it first was, now that you have run your eyes over it. Hopefully G13 turns out to be an efficient and uncontroversial way of keeping AFC-space clean. — This, that and the other (talk) 03:34, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

NAC at WT:CSD[edit]

Hi TTO. Thanks for all the work you've done volunteering here at Wikipedia. I noticed you closed my proposal at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Proposal: mass deletion of all articles at WP:AfC. I'll just say I can accept the NAC and leave it at that. I'd like to ask if you could amend your close with a summary of people's thoughts on the proposal (i.e. this was rejected because of A, B and C or whatever). Could you do that please? Thanks for the help. (talk) 07:31, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

OK. I'll add a summary to the discussion. I have to say, it is always disheartening to see Oppose Oppose Oppose one after the other! What happened to a good old discussion? WP:NOTVOTE? — This, that and the other (talk) 07:46, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg Thank you I appreciate the help. it is always disheartening to see... I cetainly felt that way several years ago, but nowadays I don't mind too much. One good reason to be an IP is I don't have a watchlist, so I often forget about the discussions I have started. That's a good thing. Face-smile.svg Thanks for the close and your support of Twinkle. It's much appreciated. (talk) 08:57, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Twinkle warning changes[edit]

Just a heads-up I left a request at WT:Twinkle about one of the recent changes you made to the Twinkle warnings list. (Notifying you here because the discussion at Twinkle was already a few days old; not sure if you're still following it.) I'd be grateful if you could attend to this quickly because this has really created an annoying gap for my work. Fut.Perf. 07:37, 12 April 2013 (UTC)


As you perhaps saw, the TFD for {{Marriage}} got closed as "no consensus". After examining the way this template works, I've proposed removing many of the parameters that many of the TFD participants found unnecessary, problematic, objectionable, etc. The proposal is in the "Removing parameters" section of Template talk:Marriage; would you please go there and offer your opinions? I apologise for the boilerplate style of writing; I'm doing my best to notify all participants in the TFD equally, so I'm copy/pasting the same thing to everyone's talk page regardless of how they voted. Nyttend (talk) 02:30, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I only made a procedural comment at the TFD, and don't really have an opinion. — This, that and the other (talk) 07:52, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

The Mandarax Barnstar of Excellence[edit]

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I am pleased to award this MBE to you in recognition of your continuing dedication to maintain and improve Twinkle. This is in appreciation of all of the hard work you put in, but, more specifically, I'd especially like to highlight your quick implementation of my request for custom warnings in Twinkle. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 01:16, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Twinkle rollback option for vandalism[edit]

I read the discussion here about the decision to remove "identified as vandalism" from the edit summary when using the vandalism rollback option in Twinkle. Would you mind explaining to me the difference between using "normal" rollback as opposed to the vandalism rollback option at this point? It seems they are now one in the same, unless of course I'm missing something. --GoneIn60 (talk) 17:44, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind. Figured it out! --GoneIn60 (talk) 21:53, 3 May 2013 (UTC)


You think will be fine? AzaToth 00:38, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Looks OK but might be worth putting it into a test gadget, here or on testwiki, before deploying it here. If you do deploy it for real, it might be useful to update the README, and also to ping Amalthea so he knows to change the script he uses to sync the gadget. — This, that and the other (talk) 02:54, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


This useful template refers to the article concerned by its title only, without the "Wikipedia:Articles for creation" bit, both in the header and in the body. This can cause confusion - see User talk:Jmont1 for the situation where the actual article exists, but so did the AfC submission; when the AfC submission was nominated for G13, the notice caused the user to come rushing to REFUND thinking that the article had been deleted. I suggest the notice should use the full title of the page that is being deleted, at least once if not both times. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 18:41, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

That's an interesting point. The trouble is, the full title of the submission can itself be confusing, because of the inclusion of the nonsensical "Wikipedia talk" string. However, I think you are probably right that the confusion with real articles is likely to be a problem. I leave it to your judgment. — This, that and the other (talk) 08:16, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks much[edit]

Thank you for your participation at WP:TFAR for 1987 (What the Fuck Is Going On?).

Regardless of the outcome, I think it's a good thing to have a discussion about these sorts of issues.

I hope you're doing well, — Cirt (talk) 23:56, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

"Since when am I Twinkle?"[edit]

You seem to be the voice of Twinkle on the bugs/comments/questions page, so I figured it was appropriate to ping you for an answer there. AzaToth has responded to a couple things too there recently, but unfortunately there isn't a template that allows a user to ping multiple people and have just one word show (and that statement has inspired me to test something in my sandbox to see if links to users work inside of a display: none; or display: hidden; span). I'm assuming that Twinkle doesn't check the content of the edits in the last 24 hours for such warnings because it would be too expensive? That is what I would expect anyways. Anyways, I hope your day is better than mine! Technical 13 (talk) 11:25, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, don't know how that happened. Amalthea used to be "the voice of Twinkle", back in the day, but then I became more active and Amalthea less so, so...
Too expensive and too much chance of confusion, probably. — This, that and the other (talk) 11:30, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
You think the new template idea of mine might take off? User:Technical_13/SandBox/PingGroup I am thinking about adding a #switch: that will test {{{1}}} for some of the major Wikipedia players like Twinkle dev team and AFCH dev team and Teahouse active hosts (maybe), etc so that it could be used to {{User:Technical_13/SandBox/PingGroup|Twinkle}} and hit those interested in getting such notices like you and AzaToth and Amalthea... I'm not sure if I will though because that will make the script much heavier unless I add all of that stuff as a Lua module... not sure yet. Technical 13 (talk) 11:51, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
It might be useful. Hopefully it wouldn't be used too frequently, though, because it can be distracting to get lots of notifications. — This, that and the other (talk) 11:56, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

"Micro Academy"[edit]

Hi! About this: ... it is a mistake because of this: ... I already corrected/removed in on GameFAQs. In fact that game was published by Culture Brain. "Micro Academy" probably exists but it has nothing to do with video games (Culture Brain) in this case. I think the page should be deleted in order to avoid confusion. This redirect makes 100% no sense, trust me. Regards. -- (talk) 08:21, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Plus, the article Culture Brain doesn't even mention "Micro Academy". If you think the page should stay, be my guest then... it just makes Wikipedia looks "stup*d". Regards. -- (talk) 08:30, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

That's OK: I admit having no knowledge in this area. I will take the redirect to discussion at WP:RFD. Thanks, — This, that and the other (talk) 12:13, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your help standardising templates and replying to user concerns about the VisualEditor :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 10:10, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

I second that barnstar! I particularly appreciate your time adding Bugzilla links. Thank you. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:05, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. Hopefully I am not getting in the way of anything! — This, that and the other (talk) 00:48, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Most definitely not! Actually, if I can ask a wee favour; would you mind, at our explicit request, hammering the crap out of a feature? :D. Basically, the reference-adding is still something that most people aren't using (I'm not sure if anyone has noticed it's there). I'd be most obliged, if you have some free time, if you could spend it trying out the reference editor in all sorts of ways - kicking it until it breaks, and then telling us what you did to make it break. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 12:50, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
I'll give it a go, but as you can see from my user page, I'm not a content editor, so I don't have a lot of experience with references! Still I'll see what I can do for you. Loving your work. — This, that and the other (talk) 12:11, 27 June 2013 (UTC)


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Use of Test Wikipedia[edit]

As you can see here, I have expressed disagreement with a talk page comment of yours. I thought I would let you know as a courtesy, and also in case you wish to respond. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:44, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

@JamesBWatson: I made that comment just to get the editor out of the sandbox. It's totally fine for them to use a page of their own on testwiki for testing purposes (and I am pretty open-minded as to what I consider "testing"), but if they were to start using testwiki as a webhost, I would just block them (I am an admin over there). — This, that and the other (talk) 10:48, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC Reviewer permission[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC Reviewer permission. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:32, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Med Flory[edit]

Hello, A7 would have been a better CSD tag for this. There was sufficient context/content to identify subject> Cheers, Dlohcierekim 04:25, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

It can be hard to distinguish between the different A criteria! Thanks for performing the deletion anyway. — This, that and the other (talk) 04:34, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
No problem. The only times anyone is likely to care would be if no deletion criterion applied, or if were tagged as vandalism EXCEPT if you run for RfA. Then they'd argue that you don't know your stuff. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 04:37, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

TTO, I created ( I think) the Med Flory page after seeing him credited in an episode of Perry Mason. According to the IMDb website, he appeared in 2 Perry Mason episodes and that's all I know about him. (PFJB) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PerrysFan (talkcontribs) 12:49, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

The reason I actually tagged the page for speedy deletion was that it was showing up in Special:DoubleRedirects as a redirect to itself. It turned out that there was some extra hidden content after the redirect, but it still seemed worthy of speedy deletion (I initially thought A3, but as Dlohcierekim mentions, A7 would have been more appropriate).
@PerrysFan: Maybe Med Flory is notable, but that is not something I am prepared to judge. If you think he qualifies as a notable actor, then you are welcome to create a proper article for him: consider using the article wizard for some guidance. — This, that and the other (talk) 00:20, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks a lot!! :) Zayeem (talk) 17:50, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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Hello TTO, I hust sent you a German version of the FtCG.lang file. Regards LZ6387 (talk) 13:35, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Article Feedback Tool update[edit]

Hey This, that and the other. I'm contacting you because you're involved in the Article Feedback Tool in some way, either as a previous newsletter recipient or as an active user of the system. As you might have heard, a user recently anonymously disabled the feedback tool on 2,000 pages. We were unable to track or prevent this due to the lack of logging feature in AFT5. We're deeply sorry for this, as we know that quite a few users found the software very useful, and were using it on their articles.

We've now re-released the software, with the addition of a logging feature and restrictions on the ability to disable. Obviously, we're not going to automatically re-enable it on each article—we don't want to create a situation where it was enabled by users who have now moved on, and feedback would sit there unattended—but if you're interested in enabling it for your articles, it's pretty simple to do. Just go to the article you want to enable it on, click the "request feedback" link in the toolbox in the sidebar, and AFT5 will be enabled for that article.

Again, we're very sorry about this issue; hopefully it'll be smooth sailing after this :). If you have any questions, just drop them at the talkpage. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) 21:54, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

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Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. — This, that and the other (talk) 02:55, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Template editor[edit]

Hi, I saw that you just received the protected template editor userright. Are there any full protected templates that you'd like to edit? Let me know and I'll downgrade the protection so you can do so. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 15:04, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

As you previously participated in related discussions you are invited to comment at the discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC for AfC reviewer permission criteria. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:07, 18 October 2013 (UTC)


Color me confused, but what exactly happened here?--Jasper Deng (talk) 06:08, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, sorry about that! I must have been editing an old revision without realising it. Thanks for catching and reverting. — This, that and the other (talk) 06:15, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Oh no worries. But I'm still interested in whether what you intended to actually do actually can still be done.--Jasper Deng (talk) 06:19, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
No need, it was an error in the old version that has long since been fixed. — This, that and the other (talk) 07:42, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

New RFC on draft namespace[edit]


As one of the participants in the previous related discussion, you are requested to comment on the RFC on creating a new Draft namespace at the Village Pump.

Thank you, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 19:47, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Image page sandbox.png[edit]

Thank you for uploading File:Image page sandbox.png. However, there is a concern that the rationale provided for using this file on Wikipedia may not meet the criteria required by Wikipedia:Non-free content. This can be corrected by going to the file description page and adding or clarifying the reason why the file qualifies under this policy. Adding and completing one of the templates available from Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your file is in compliance with Wikipedia policy. Please be aware that a non-free use rationale is not the same as an image copyright tag; descriptions for files used under the non-free content policy require both a copyright tag and a non-free use rationale.

If it is determined that the file does not qualify under the non-free content policy, it might be deleted by an administrator within a few days in accordance with our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions, please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you. —rybec 23:15, 8 November 2013 (UTC)


can you check to see if I'm about to fnuck things up again? AzaToth 23:59, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Request for change to Db-afc-notice[edit]

See Template talk:Db-afc-notice. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:03, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Twinkle bugs[edit]

Hello, This, that and the other, I'm here to pester you with some more bugs about Twinkle.

First, I'd like to add some text to A1 and A3, perhaps as small text or part of the tooltip over the question mark; the text would suggest, according to Wikipedia:CSD#cite_note-Hasty-5 for A1 and A3, to leave at least 10 minutes after article creation (e.g. "Please wait 10 minutes after creation before tagging.")

Second is that Twinkle breaks templates whenever it places {{Tfm}}, {{Tfm/dated}}, or similar, as seen here.

If you have the time can you fix these? Thanks, TeleComNasSprVen (talkcontribs) 20:44, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Normally TFD/TFM templates shouldn't be noincluded. This should only be done for substituted templates, or very common templates where the TFD/TFM notice on articles would be disruptive. As I think you just found out for yourself, Twinkle does offer the option to add noinclude tags if needed.
As for the other one, I don't see why that couldn't be done. — This, that and the other (talk) 02:11, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Template:Stardust Promotion[edit]

Reply - TTATO, I will take your comments about "Template:Stardust Promotion" under advisement. I relisted the TfD, because it seemed that the discussion was still underway, and not a disagreement that could likely not be resolved. If I felt that the conversation was a dead end, I would have let it go to "No Consensus". I have seen quite a few discussions with only one or two replies dispositioned and not relisted, and I have also seen XfDs with no comments after only one relist deleted, which should never be the case. I will not, however, relist a discussion more than twice. The thing is, if the conclusion is not obvious, the XfD should probably be relisted. --Jax 0677 (talk) 06:32, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, Jax. It's reassuring to see that you have thought out your approach to relisting, and indeed I think most of your relists are well-judged and useful, in order to help keep the wheels turning at TFD. However, as I said at the TFD, I really feel that non-admins should only handle the more obvious relists, in the spirit of WP:NAC. That is only my personal opinion, of course, and you are welcome to continue acting as you see fit. — This, that and the other (talk) 06:38, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Template:Clickable button 2[edit]

As mentioned on the talk page by another editor, there seems to be something wrong with Template:Clickable button 2, as seen here and here through Template:Header navbar community. I'm not experienced enough to understand what's happening with the code exactly, but I think it's the result of your edit. Hopefully you could shed some light on the situation. Thanks. Stj6 (talk) 03:51, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

It's not a result of my change, but of a change made by the powers-that-be that means that the jQuery UI framework is no longer served up to every user on every page visit. The template will look and work OK if you enable, say, Twinkle in your gadgets (since Twinkle uses jQuery UI). For users without jQuery UI, there is obviously some brokenness in the appearance.
I don't know what to do about this: when I found out about this problem, I just put it in my too-hard basket and forgot about it. If you can think of a solution, you're welcome to implement it. Unfortunately, the solution is not just to revert my edit: then things will break for those who do have jQuery UI. — This, that and the other (talk) 03:56, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Okay, that makes sense. I probably should have done some more digging before assuming it was your edit that broke it. Thanks again. Stj6 (talk) 04:03, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Don't worry, it's fairly obscure, I forgive you :) — This, that and the other (talk) 04:06, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Message in reply to Dishevelled[edit]

I agree that Dishevelled has other meanings; but so do a huge number of other Domain-names. Where appropriate disambiguation links have been inserted at the head of articles, but we do not need a dictionary definition of the word either at this position in this article or at all - it is unnecessary information, I should have thought.

thanksWeigelaPen (talk) 09:48, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

If wikipedia is a dictionary, then wouldn't it be better to have a proper disambiguation page such as, rather than a box above the image infobox? so that people can go directly to wikionary not a wikipedia article.

I take your point in principle, but I wouldn't search on Wikipedia for a dictionary definition of a word.

May we close this now, if you were to add the wikionary message after the infobox.

thanksWeigelaPen (talk) 14:08, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of multiple templates for deletion[edit]

Good morning kind sir, I read at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion that your bot can nominate multiple templates for deletion at once. Well, Template:Muslim scholars is found only in one article, is a huge POV magnet and due to the nature of the topic that could never change. The user who created it has not edited for nearly six years so I'm sure he's retired. He also created Template:Muslim scholars-01 and Template:Muslim scholars-02, which both look unfinished and likely will not ever be finished, considering that he created them eight years ago. Can you help me nominate all of them for deletion? MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:01, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello MezzoMezzo and thanks for your enquiry. I prefer to use TTObot only for very large nominations (say, 20 or more templates at once), as it takes some time to get it working. In your case, it would be quicker and easier to carry out the nomination manually. The TFD instructions provide details on how to manually bundle several templates in the one deletion nomination - see the lines that begin with Multiple templates:, and then it is just a matter of copying and pasting the relevant code (with the required modifications). I think that is a better option for both of us.
If you ever find yourself needing to nominate large volumes of templates at once, please don't hesitate to contact me. — This, that and the other (talk) 09:35, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Well, I am sort of having a problem now. I added the discussion to Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 January 23 as the instructions said but that page is still blank. My edit shows up in the page's history, but I can't see it. Do you know how to fix this? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:45, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
The TFD templates were enclosed in a <!-- --> comment, meaning they were hidden from view. I have repaired it for you. — This, that and the other (talk) 05:07, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Hey man, thanks a lot for the help! MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:11, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Palestinian territory development[edit]

Ambox warning pn.svgTemplate:Palestinian territory development has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page..GreyShark (dibra) 17:06, 26 January 2014 (UTC)


A proposal has been made to create a Live Feed to enhance the processing of Articles for Creation and Drafts. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC to create a 'Special:NewDraftsFeed' system. Your comments are welcome. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:44, 4 February 2014 (UTC)


Because I don't have an account in Gerrit, I'm leaving an message here.

It's better to add Alias /sr /usr/local/apache/common/docroot/ and also sr-ec, sr-el, so that Serbian Wikivoyage community don't need to open a new bug when Serbian Wikivoyage is created.--GZWDer (talk) 04:12, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't agree. I think that should be done in a separate change. When the bug is filed in Bugzilla asking for srwikivoyage to be opened (this occurs after the conclusion of the request on Meta, and is usually filed by MF-Warburg), please consider making a note there to remind the developers that the Apache configuration needs to be done. — This, that and the other (talk) 08:51, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Redirects listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address one or more redirects you have created. You might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:32, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! A gift from fellow Wikipedians.[edit]

You have been selected to receive a merchandise giveaway. We last contacted you on 2/19/2014. Please send us a message if you would like to claim your shirt. --JMatthews (WMF) (talk) 06:46, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Juli. I would indeed like to claim it, but for various reasons it may be some time until I can do so. Please let me know if there is a deadline. — This, that and the other (talk) 06:53, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
There's no deadline, This, that and the other. Just contact us when you're ready. Thanks! --JMatthews (WMF) (talk) 06:57, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


Hello TTATO,
Today, while browsing around the pages of my editing past, I stumbled upon an old message relating to a template of mine that I posted and never bothered to check on. After reading your feedback, I redesigned the template in my sandbox to remove the "mountain of information" and make it look more like the current problem user templates. Please re-review the template and post your thoughts about Twinkle inclusion on my talk page. If you think it is worthy of inclusion, I will replace the old template with the version in my sandbox. Thanks, Passengerpigeon (talk) 05:53, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Passengerpigeon. I really like your proposed version; it fits in nicely with the other problem user welcome templates. I suggest you go ahead and change over the old template - it doesn't seem like anyone would mind if you just went ahead and BOLDly made the change. Once done, we can drop it into Twinkle. Thanks, — This, that and the other (talk) 09:17, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Done. Passengerpigeon (talk) 10:17, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: User:This, that and the other/Speedy tag sandbox2[edit]

Hello This, that and the other. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of User:This, that and the other/Speedy tag sandbox2, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Page cannot be deleted. Please see WP:NYANCAT (♪♫ nyan, nyan, nyan ♫ nyan, nyan, nyan ♫, nyan, nyan, nyan, nyan-nyan, nyan-nyan ♪♫). Thank you. Shirt58 (talk) 11:13, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Nuvola apps edu languages.svg
Hello, This, that and the other. You have new messages at User talk:This, that and the other/For the Common Good.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

List of templates[edit]

Just wondering if there is a current list of templates installed in Twinkle (without scanning through all the .js pages) I've been updating (ie.. links, adding {{twinkle standard installation}} to /doc pages etc..) templates as I come across them, I'd like to go through all templates used, and was hoping a list is available. Mlpearc (open channel) 16:44, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, there's User:This, that and the other/warnings, and User:This, that and the other/sandbox/multiple issues (which transcludes all article maintenance tags, except for three mentioned at the end). There are no other lists that I know of; if you end up creating some, please let me know, as I would love to have access to them. I have found that the easiest way to create these lists is to copy the relevant section of the JavaScript file and run some regular expression find/replace operations over it, but that admittedly isn't everybody's idea of speeding up the process. — This, that and the other (talk) 11:49, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanx for your response. I didn't think of the find/replace trick Face-tongue.svg. I'll see what I can do about creating a comprehensive list. Mlpearc (open channel) 16:53, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Multiple templates for deletion[edit]

WP:TFD says you would be able to add the deletion templates for a large group of redundant templates? {{subst:tfd|heading=2014 FIFA World Cup match templates}} would be what needed to be added, with it being added to all the pages in Category:2014 FIFA World Cup match templates. They're not used on any articles, as I basically created them without going to a discussion anywhere first. I'll watchlist your page, for if you've got any more questions. Thanks! - 97rob (talk) 21:59, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi 97rob. If you created them all, and they're all unused, they can all be tagged for speedy deletion under CSD G7. I can do that for you if you would like. — This, that and the other (talk) 01:45, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, if you could do that itd be great, thanks! - 97rob (talk) 14:11, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

FtCG feature request[edit]

Hi TTTO, thanks for the awesome tool you wrote! I was hoping you would consider adding a feature to FtCG to copy all versions of a file over. Currently, the only way I see to do this is to select each version in turn, and ignore warnings after the first one. It would be nice if there was an automated way to do this, for example a check box saying "Copy all versions". Best regards, Storkk (talk) 15:23, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

@Storkk: Sorry for not replying, I have been very busy lately. This has been requested before at WT:FTCG. I suppose this is needed to fully comply with the clause in WP:F8 relating to old revisions, which I fundamentally disagree with for a number of reasons. But my disagreement won't stop me eventually implementing such a feature into FtCG, although I may not have time in the immediate future. The month of July is looking good for getting my teeth into some coding, so you might see something then.
I hope you enjoy using FtCG; if you have any more feedback please don't hesitate to let me know. — This, that and the other (talk) 11:51, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
No worries, and thanks again for the great tool! Out of curiosity, and when you have some time, would you mind elaborating on your disagreement with WP:F8? I have seen files where I don't think that each version needs to come over, but I have also seen files where each revision (certainly, IMO) should, for example a {{self|cc-by-3.0}} licensed file that has been edited by another editor for color balance or dust spots or whatever. Cheers, Storkk (talk) 14:12, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 18 June 2014[edit]

The Signpost: 25 June 2014[edit]

The Signpost: 02 July 2014[edit]

The Signpost: 09 July 2014[edit]

The Signpost: 16 July 2014[edit]

The Signpost: 23 July 2014[edit]

Bug 5645[edit]

Saw this bug report over the signature button appearing in namespaces that editor's would rather it didn't and figured I should mention the "obvious"

Just add

                'filters': [ 'body.ns-talk, body.ns-4' ],

to the signature button's entry in jquery.wikiEditor.toolbar.config.js and your done. The same approach is used for the references button (see that same .js file if you don't believe me)

If you want to allow the signature button's generation in more namespaces, just add their numeric designation(s) to the filter using body.ns-4 in the above as your example (no comma after the last entry btw).

You can also exclude button generation for certain namespaces this way....

                'filters': [ 'body:not(.ns-2, .ns-8, .ns-828)' ],

Hope that helps -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:54, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

That implementation method was not something I was aware of, so thanks for enlightening me :) However I don't think it is necessarily appropriate for this situation. It wouldn't be right to hard-code the list of namespaces in this JavaScript code, and it also seems a bit wasteful to be stringing together a 'body.ns-' + namespaceId type thing when we can just delete the entry from the JavaScript object.
The main issue surrounding this bug is that no-one can agree on how we should decide which namespaces get the sig button. I would appreciate it if you could contribute, based on the three options I outlined in comment 19 of the bug. — This, that and the other (talk) 07:31, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Same old, same old. No-one agrees because each has their own embedded bias/perspective by now if they've been a regualar for any noteworthy amount of time by now. I dare say even your poo-poo'ing of the existing filter settings has some trace degree of that too.

Look, it seems like all the wiki-projects at least share the same ~17(I forget what the right # is) core namespaces - that's all you folks should be discussing a default setting for. Period.

Half of those are talk-pages so body.ns-talk or some similar solution should allow the button for those talk namespaces. That leaves "you" with what? ~8 core namespaces shared acrosss all the wiki-projects to bicker over? Out of those remaining namespaces, only the Project: ns (ns-4) would have any legit reason to host talk-page like discussions (a la Village Pump for example) where the button is useful.

Get into the namespaces numbered ~100 or higher from one Wiki-domain to the next, and you'll find using content namespaces to include/exclude button generation will not be as neatly uniform as the core namespaces are. This area is where 'ickypedia blinders' cause developers to make changes that typically don't go over well @ any project BUT Wikipedia or Commons (I can almost bet next week's pay-check that whatever solution is applied at the end of the day, it will conflict with the existing ability to use the filter).

My vote is to set a default using whatever manner or method makes the most sense for the core namespaces that all wikis share and leave the far lower trafficked assignable namespaces out of it - let folks deal with it or solve it on their own locally if the presence of the button so annoying to them. Prost. :) -- George Orwell III (talk) 08:52, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

We want to be able to configure this behind the scenes on a per-wiki basis. For example, Meta uses signatures in the main namespace, while this wiki does not. It's more about how to determine exactly how this configuration interacts with other wiki elements. For instance, does the presence of __NEWSECTIONLINK__ indicate we should allow the signature button on that page? I don't know the answer to that.
I should also stress that this relates to the MediaWiki software in general, which is used by many others besides the WMF (for example, a lot of companies use MediaWiki internally for planning and collaboration between staff). We need a solution that will work out-of-the-box for all wikis, as well as to be configurable by the server administrator as required. — This, that and the other (talk) 09:43, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
I think you answered your own question - especially if your rationale goes beyond the Wiki foundation projects and into the "commercial" aspects of the software. Again the core namespaces are not likely not be re-tasked into blogs or newsfeeds but additional namespaces might be. If that rationale is true, the logical approach would be set only the .ns-talk namespaces as the extension's default for sig. button generation while leaving deviation or modification of said default a matter left to local administration to wrangle with post-deployment. -- George Orwell III (talk) 23:15, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Also, I don't think I'm "poo-poo'ing" the existing settings, insofar as there are none. The status quo is to show the signature button in all namespaces, which seems rather inadequate. — This, that and the other (talk) 09:43, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Well that point on 'showing in all namespaces' goes back to the rather bloated default package of defaults loaded with WikiEditor and the hoops one has to jump through just to customize the basics that are sold as "tools" in a tool-bar. For example, I can appreciate the need to cover Asian character sets along with the others but there should be a way for at least the local administration if not User:s themselves to pick and choose individual sets. Sure, one can add characters to existing sets and add entirely new sets but there is no way to prevent sets in the existing defaults from loading every time the tab is selected - well at least I can't find a way other than removing the entire booklet and rebuilding it without the unwanted sets (I think this is due to the setting 'deferLoad': true, in that same .js mentioned above usurping anything I might have set to removeFromToolbar in my local .js file(s)). If you know better, please, I'm I dying to find out how its done.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that its great to incorporate defaults that allow for a positive "out-of-box experience" but they should not be so embedded in the module that customizing/deviating from those defaults necessitates the negation then duplication of the original coding involved. As the move to more mobile platforms plays out and/or the need for screen-space management increases, it seems things like which default loaded buttons (or tabs) you want loaded by default in which namespace scenario(s) is something that should be standardized in one's User: preferences rather than locked into additional scripting and/or patching as those options currently seem to be. -- George Orwell III (talk) 23:15, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


I loveFtCG, but it would be nice if it could delete templates like {{Category ordered by date|Files licensed by third parties|2013|08|13}}. Thanks! (tJosve05a (c) 00:09, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Josve05a, I'm really sorry it's taken me this long to answer! Do you think FtCG should remove all invocations of the template "Category ordered by date", or only those with "Files licensed by third parties" as the first parameter? — This, that and the other (talk) 02:51, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
All instances, since Commons don't have (didn't the last time I checked) that template. (tJosve05a (c) 07:16, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

One more thing[edit]

Is it possible to make FtCG to add:
[[Category:Files uploaded by Josve05a (cleanup)]] [[Category:Files transferred from en.wikipedia by Josve05a]] ‎ to all files I tranfer? (tJosve05a (c) 00:11, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Ping. (tJosve05a (c) 15:26, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 30 July 2014[edit]

For the Common Good : run reversely[edit]

Hi, my home-wiki is Russian.

It is rather often it is needed to move files from Commons to ru-wiki: because a set of files is found not corresponding to the free content criteria yet is useful for many articles under fair use restrictions.

Before writing some bot from a scratch I am wondering if For the Common Good can be a little bit changed (or some settings applied to it as it is) so it could transfer sets of files from Commons to File: namespace?

The relevant discussion about a bot (in Russian) is currently here.

Best regards, Seva — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neolexx (talkcontribs) 16:49, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

+1. Please help. Details here: Википедия:Запросы к ботоводам#Выгрузка файлов из Викисклада в Рувики (via google translate) --Fastboy (talk) 17:20, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Fastboy Neolexx: My apologies for not replying any sooner. Such a tool would certainly be possible to create. Indeed, in the past, I used a "lightly hacked" version of For the Common Good to transfer files from Wikitravel Shared (a site similar in nature to Wikimedia Commons) to local Wikivoyage editions after the establishment Wikivoyage in late 2012. So it is certainly possible. I will be happy to look at this in the coming week. — This, that and the other (talk) 12:25, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
That would be terrific! By all other means the app seems fit perfectly to our needs uncluding the ability of an editable "template dictionary". I have translated your answer at our forum - as there is no rush then to do and to debug something from a scratch, it is better to wait then. --NeoLexx (talk) 17:25, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Fastboy and Neolexx, I have uploaded version of For the Common Good to In conjunction with the instructions at User:This, that and the other/For the Common Good/Reverse transfers, it should now be possible to run FtCG in reverse! If you find any problems or would like additional features to be added, please let me know. Thanks for your interest in FtCG. — This, that and the other (talk) 02:45, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Thank you! I will start learning and testing immediately. --NeoLexx (talk) 07:41, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Sorry for silly question, but where does the installation go by default? I installed it on Windows 8, closed and now no signs at Program files. --NeoLexx (talk) 08:18, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Oh, OK, sorry. It is not installed, it is a single exe. --NeoLexx (talk) 08:20, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
  • To be clear, what is the license you want to be mentioned for this program? I didn't find it at the download page. --NeoLexx (talk) 08:23, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
    • The current version is released into the public domain. Even so, I appreciate it if you provide attribution if you choose to make copies of the program. I will probably release the next version under a license such as MIT, but for the moment, it is in the public domain. — This, that and the other (talk) 09:25, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Hello. I tried reverse and it worked. I spent decent time to make a config but then I transferred twenty images very quickly. But I found some obstacles that slowed me down:
  1. FtCG doesn't memorize chexbox settings (I had to ckeck "ignore warnings" every other image)
  2. FtCG doesn't have automating to bypass a ban to create image with a name that already exists in commons. Of cauze admins doesn't have this problem. But I had to rename each image manually. It would be nice if you could set some prefix/postfix to new file name once and FtCG would apply it for each next image.
  3. One more feature I'd like to see: mandatory replacements or replacement groups (one of). If such "mandatory" replacement pattern not found, FtCG must make a very nicely visible error warning.

Could you make some of such features? Or, could I contribute to code? ~Nirvanchik~ ⊤άλҟ 07:34, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

And, by the way, in reverse order you can configure only "source" wiki which is commons and which is English, and you can't configure "destination" wiki, which is not English, so I had to use very coplicated replacement pattarn to change image description template by Russian version of these template, and to move all variables correctly. It would be nice if reverse wiki could be supported in more natural way. ~Nirvanchik~ ⊤άλҟ 07:39, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Btw thanks for that previous support! It really helped! ~Nirvanchik~ ⊤άλҟ 07:43, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

512 character limit for special page titles[edit]

Assuming you are the "tto" on Freenode who asked "just wondering if you could clarify for me why you added the 512-character limit on special page titles in r18220?" I didn't add a 512-character limit, I raised the limit from 255 to 512 bytes on the basis that 255 bytes was not sufficient. 512 bytes was sufficient for use cases then in existence. -- Tim Starling (talk) 09:28, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

That was me :) Thanks for the clarification. So it was mostly an arbitrary choice, then. That was what I was interested in knowing. — This, that and the other (talk) 09:59, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 06 August 2014[edit]

User talk:This, that and the other/For the Common Good/Reverse transfers[edit]

Did you notice that this redirect format doesn't work? I'm not sure if it is the page or Mediawiki which should be fixed. --Stefan2 (talk) 17:37, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

It's the long standing bug 6151. I've been poking around at the MediaWiki title code recently, so I might try to fix it... although the fact that it hasn't been fixed in 8 years isn't promising... — This, that and the other (talk) 23:06, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 13 August 2014[edit]

The Signpost: 20 August 2014[edit]

The Signpost: 27 August 2014[edit]

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Hello TTATO,
I don't mean to be pushy, but you said on Wikipedia talk:Twinkle that you would do preliminary work on Twinkle tomorrow (which is probably yesterday now), however Twinkle is still tagging pages with {{db-nocontent}}. Please tell me why this is the case as my new templates are now finished and are ready to be moved. Thanks, Passengerpigeon (talk) 14:54, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Passengerpigeon, this is a bit of a "chicken or egg" problem. But so long as the new A3 templates are set up as redirects to db-nocontent for the time being, there shouldn't be an issue. I can't promise when the change to Twinkle will be deployed, but hopefully it will be available on-wiki not long after I finish writing the code tonight. — This, that and the other (talk) 23:15, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
{{db-a3}} will not change in the move, and {{db-a3-notice}} currently redirects to {{db-nocontent-notice}} but will be overwritten by {{db-nocontent-notice}} once the move takes place, thus everything should work the same way it does currently. Passengerpigeon (talk) 23:32, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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For the Common Good[edit]

Good day.

My name is Sergey Semenov, I'm the administrator Russian Wikipedia. I am writing to you about the reverse transfer images from the Commons in the Russian Wikipedia using a program For the Common Good. Unfortunately, this program is quite difficult to master, and will move quite a lot.

I have uploaded to Commons several thousand images of tombstones set in the cemeteries of Russia. Unfortunately, in our country there is complete freedom of panorama, so these files can at any time be removed. I decided to move them to the Russian Wikipedia template FoP-Russia. In connection with this appeal to you to write the configuration files for the particular transport mechanism to simplify the programming work far from the participants. In today's conditions, the use of mass transfer of files can lead to disastrous results.

P. S. I'm sorry for the mistakes I badly speak English and translate through Google translator. --SerSem (talk) 12:55, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sergey, thanks for your message, and don't worry about your English, I understand it well! I understand that reverse transfers with FtCG aren't as easy as they perhaps should be. I'll have a moment later today to see if I can prepare you a configuration file that will do what you ask. Thanks, — This, that and the other (talk) 03:40, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much. I'll wait. --SerSem (talk) 12:51, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
I made this configuration file for For the Common Good: You should download it, rename it to ForTheCommonGood.cfg, and move it to the same location as ForTheCommonGood.exe.
Be aware of a couple of things:
  1. You must turn off the "Tag file with {{now commons}}" check box above the "Transfer" button.
  2. If you want to go through each of your uploads, you can download this text file: and click the "Other source" option to load this text file into FtCG.
  3. There is no template on ruwiki for CC-BY-SA version 4.0 (see c:template:cc-by-sa-4.0). You will need to create this template on ruwiki before transferring.
I would say that, since you have such a huge number of files, it might be better to ask for a bot to perform the transfers. I think you will find FtCG too slow for this work. But if you wish to give it a go, I hope it helps you. — This, that and the other (talk) 01:13, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your help, I was able to master the program and begin to transfer files with its help. All I do not need to unload, I have old photos uploaded to Commons. With the help of your program I have unloaded in Russian Wikipedia about 700 photos. This is a very important and necessary option in the program. --SerSem (talk) 18:01, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Good day. I tried to upload a list of files at once from the category "Literatorskie mostki", but I did not succeed. If I use the text in this form, as provided by you in the file, the program writes the message: "An API error occured. Bad title" File: "". If I add the "File:" at the beginning of each line, the program writes the message: "An API error occured. Bad title:" File: <>. JPG ". What could be wrong? --SerSem (talk) 14:39, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
    • I would suggest that you check the encoding of the text file. For the Common Good expects the file to be stored in the UTF-8 encoding. Alternatively, you could upload the file to the Internet so I could look at it and check it for any problems. — This, that and the other (talk) 00:17, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

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Hi Purodha, I was triaging some old Toolserver migration bugs, and noticed that there is a task phab:T63028 relating to one of your tools. Do you intend to migrate this tool to Tool Labs? — This, that and the other (talk) 00:16, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Although I do not unterstand the phab:T63028 web page, I understand that someone ist asking whether or not I plan to migrate former toolserver tools to tools labs. I do. I only do not have plans as to when I have time to do it. --Purodha Blissenbach (talk) 19:39, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Bugzilla seems not wo work any more. It redirects to something else. My account to bugzilla was lost in the process. So, for the time being, I am out of this business. --Purodha Blissenbach (talk) 09:48, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
@Purodha: Bugzilla was migrated to the new Phabricator issue tracking system a few weeks ago. You can create a Phabricator account that is attached to your Wikimedia SUL account, if you want to comment on bugs. See mw:Phabricator/Help#Creating_your_account for some info.
In any case I'll update the Phabricator task to say that you haven't forgotten about it. Thanks for the reply! — This, that and the other (talk) 09:56, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. I knew about the migration, and I was on the Phabricator page that should allow me to connect to my old bugzilla account a few day ago. That is why I wrote that my access was lost. Maybe, I just have to wait for it to be migrated, I did not really dive into the details. -- Purodha Blissenbach (talk) 10:44, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

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I am a technician from TRwiki. I wanna activate Twinkle. I created following pages(from ENwiki) but "TW tab" didnot appeared.

And I made necessary changes in Gadgets tab. Wikipedia:Twinkle/Localisation pages is outdated. Is there a new instruction page? What I am missing? --Mavrikant (talk) 01:27, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

@Mavrikant: Try altering the Gadgets-definition line to the following:
This, that and the other (talk) 06:28, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Nope :( I even tryed before enwiki's Gadgets-definition: Twinkle[ResourceLoader|dependencies=mediawiki.user,mediawiki.util,jquery.ui.dialog,jquery.tipsy,moment|rights=autoconfirmed]|morebits.js|morebits.css|Twinkle.js|twinkleprod.js|twinkleimage.js|twinklebatchundelete.js|twinklewarn.js|twinklespeedy.js|friendlyshared.js|twinklediff.js|twinkleunlink.js|twinkledelimages.js|friendlytag.js|twinkledeprod.js|friendlywelcome.js|twinklexfd.js|twinklebatchdelete.js|twinklebatchprotect.js|twinkleconfig.js|twinklefluff.js|twinkleprotect.js|twinklearv.js|friendlytalkback.js I also tried MediaWiki:Gadget-Twinkle.js of Simplewiki. I haven't seen TW tab near search bar yet. There was old version (2009) of Twinkle stored subpages of User:Vito Genovese/Twinkle, I suspicious that old files sabotages new Twinkle but I cleaned main pages of old Twinkle. Do you need technician rights to look what is wrong? --Mavrikant (talk) 13:33, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

It is working. I followed new version of Wikipedia:Twinkle/Localisation page. Thank you Siddhartha Ghai and User:This, that and the other --Mavrikant (talk) 14:33, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

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Did you get my email? I'm eager to move forward with the block module but am having trouble with testing. Should I use the fragmented modules on testwiki (as opposed to one big twinkle.js)? How can I get the perl script to upload there instead of enwiki? I can't get the concatenated twinkle.js to work in my userspace since it requires morebits. Morebits doesn't appear to be a module that I can use with mw.loader.load and mw.loader.using, and even trying putting the Twinkle init stuff in a callback of $.getScript things still don't load in the right order. I feel like there must be an easier way. Thanks MusikAnimal talk 23:45, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I often have trouble getting Twinkle to show up in the UI on testwiki. Normally I will just open my browser's F12 tools and directly call the callback, e.g. Twinkle.protect.callback(). — This, that and the other (talk) 01:34, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Beautiful :) Not sure why I didn't think of that! Many thanks MusikAnimal talk 02:52, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I take it you wish not to communicate through email? I understand if you do not, there's just some matters I'd rather discuss in private. Anyway, I've been working hard and have the interface for the blocking module more or less done. I thought I'd run this by you before I move on to the actual blocking functionality, just in case something stands out that I'm doing wrong. Pull request is here, feel free to comment. Thanks! MusikAnimal talk 03:13, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

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