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Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-03-18 Second Intifada[edit]

Just notifying you, that as you have been involved in the discussion regarding the Second Intifada article, which is now the subject of a MedCab case, I'm notifying you of this as you may wish to partake in this case to discuss a resolution to this dispute. Feel free to leave a comment on my talk page. Regards,Steve Crossin (talk) 23:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Fairuz[edit]

Isn't it funny how all the mantras about sources and "no original research!" go out the window whenever the word "Arab" is involved? I admire your effort, but I feel you're wasting your breath. Good luck anyway. -- Slacker (talk) 01:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Geotheology and terms at hand[edit]

I found this [1] while researching documentation of a term. I thought you might be interested, and might make use of it concerning, well, what we do. I didn't check its RS-ness; it looks like class notes/paper, whatever. It says:

Both sides, then, claim priority in terms of chronology (the right of the firstborn, so to speak), both make use of archaeology, both draw maps, and both argue by means of place-names. Scarcely any spot on the map—whether it be Jerusalem (Urshalimum/Yerushalayim/al-Quds), the northern plain leading from the Mediterranean to the Jordan Valley (Esdra(e)lon and Jezreel/Marj Ibn Amir), or the hilly inland terrain (Judaea and Samaria in Hebrew)—is exempt from this contest. Palestine, or Eretz Israel, offers a textbook case of the “territorialization of history,” in which political claims are anchored in historical geography. Biblical scholars have spoken of a veritable “geotheology.”[3] For this reason we need to clarify not only designations such as “Canaan” or “Palestine” itself, but also “Eretz Israel,” “Promised Land,” and “Holy Land”—designations that were first used following Israelite settlement in a land previously controlled by the Egyptians, Hittites, or Assyrians, and inhabited by various ethnic groups.

Regards, CasualObserver'48 (talk) 05:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK[edit]

Updated DYK query On 20 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Thursday of the Dead, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

That one didn't take long from conception to actuality. Well done :) --Gatoclass (talk) 08:55, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Faris Odeh[edit]

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Another editor has added the {{prod}} template to the article Faris Odeh, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the {{prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. BJBot (talk) 16:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

It's a multiple AfD - several similar articles being deleted for the same reason. Mostly I did this to prevent the previous hypocricy mentioned. пﮟოьεԻ 57 00:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Sumud scope[edit]

Marhaba Tiamut, your article on sumud struck me as very interesting and I wonder if its scope would include the tax resistance against Israel that occurred in Beit Sahour during the First Intifada. --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:42, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Wafa[edit]

Hi Tiamut, it's been a while since we ran into each other. I wonder if you can check out the question here, having to do with to what extent Wafa is the "PLO press agency." My concern is that the Washington Times editorial is incorrect, but I haven't been able to confirm one way or another, and it occurs to me you may know. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Mackan79 (talk) 21:19, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

a subject not covered in wikipedia[edit]

[2] Zeq (talk) 13:32, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Tiamut, I happen to have pages 35/36 open on my desk in front of me of this December 2006 Amnesty report which covers the problems of women in the OPTs. May well also be covered in later reports. Regards, NSH001 (talk) 15:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Ahlam Shibli[edit]

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Etymology of jasmine[edit]

Sorry, I forgot that sources were needed for minor things as well as controversial topics. I've added some sources to Jasmine. I think it's important to include the ultimate origin of the word, as well as mentioning it was transferred via Arabic - as that's how many Persian words reached English.--Yolgnu (talk) 02:32, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Sumud[edit]

Updated DYK query On 24 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sumud, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 12:14, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Good going -- I remember we briefly discussed sumud. Meanwhile, thanks for your patience with me, still quite busy and merely glancing in at the moment. Ciao, HG | Talk 21:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

RfC[edit]

I've started drafting an RfC that you might be interested in here. Please feel free if you'd like to participate in adding anything to it that you feel might be relevant. Cla68 (talk) 02:25, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Nabulsi soap & DYKs[edit]

I have noticed some of your DYK submissions, the latest being Nabulsi soap. They are very well-crafted articles. Good work. - House of Scandal (talk) 13:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely agree with House of Scandal ;-D. Anyway, it was Funkynusayri who helped me download the picture. It would be nice with a close-up picture of a few modern bars. Also; I am sure that I read somewhere that Fadwa Toukans father ran/owned one of the soap-factories in Nablus; I´m looking for the reference, but of course, I cannot find it when I need it..
Other potential articles would be Glassworks of Hebron and Mother-of-Pearl carvings in Palestine ...there are old pictures to go with such articles.
And I see that you have started an article on Karimeh Abbud! I have seen several old post-cards made by her on ebay, and I did wonder who she was (here is one: [3]. We really should get hold of one of those old post-cards and scan it for the article.) Anyway, keep up your great work! Take care, Huldra (talk) 18:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
السلام عليكم, Tiamut, just wanted to say I'm amazed at the level of detail you put into your new articles, and to thank you for Nabulsi soap. So much information that I wasn't aware of! You might like to know that I use (and like) this soap, which I get from a friend who in turn orders it in bulk via Zaytoun. I do believe that building up fair trade is a powerful force for peace, and that by preventing Palestinians from earning an honest livelihood, Israel is storing up huge problems for itself in the future (the treatment of Germany and Japan in the 20s and 30s being an extreme example, and an awful warning). I hope that - somehow - my fears will not be realised. Thanks again, NSH001 (talk) 19:55, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

your recent edit[edit]

[4] - clearly you have deleted one POV and added another. is there a way to merge the two and make it NPOV. tnx. Zeq (talk) 20:32, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Try using the talk page for the article, as I already have here. Thanks. Tiamuttalk 12:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

fyi[edit]

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Jd2718_is_obviously_really_the_banned_Jamiechef2. Jd2718 (talk) 11:04, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Your opinon on this[edit]

Greetings, there is a discussion about project tagging on the WP:Palestine page here. --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Nabulsi soap[edit]

Updated DYK query On 2 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nabulsi soap, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 00:08, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


I thoroughly enjoyed this article, keep up the good work. Kuddl (talk) 00:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Congrats on the 14th great DYK article! Keep'em coming, they're very interesting. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I read the article and personally I think its fit for a GA review. You might need to expand its history section (I'm not even sure, your article is the only non-stub article on any soap [except soap itself], personally I think its B-class), but thats pretty much it. Meets the guidelines on prose and MoS, its completely referenced with several reliable sources, there's no OR, it hits major aspects and is for the most part focused, theres no bias, its stable and its illustrated with free image(s). It meets the all of the criteria and I don't think any other encyclopedia could do a better job at it. I hope you do consider it. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Greetings Tiamut! I am happy to inform you that Nabulsi soap could well be on the way to being a good article. I asked the GA WikiProject on its talk page for they're opinion its broadness and it certainly meets it. There are some minor issues you could take care of before nominating when you do: (1) The lead must summarize the major points of the article and not just introduce the subject.

(2) There are some instances of a "over-promotional tone". I also noticed this, especially in the "Today" section and words like unique should be avoided unless you are quoting someone. (3) There also needs to be a "few minor MoS tweaks". I'll try to find these wherever possible, but I'm just a little busy at the moment.

I really hope you take care of these minor issues and nominate the article soon. Good luck! --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Did you know...[edit]

...that Tiamut and Sm8900 both have suggested entries at the Did You Know page, and that both are self-nom for new articles which each created? And that both addressed topics of major historical or political significance? And that both show the work of editors devoted to Wikipedia standards? And that Tiamut writes pretty good articles?

Well? didja know that or not? i'm asking you, personal-like.

:-) good to see your work. nice job. see you. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 16:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

List of indigenous peoples[edit]

At List of indigenous peoples about a month ago you made this proposal:

"What if we transformed the list format here into a paragraph format for each group? The paragraph, using reliable, scholarly sources could elucidate on things like how they came to identify as an indigenous people, their first involvement in related international forums on indigenous rights, contestation (if any) over their claims to be indigeneity (who contests the claim, why, etc.) This might help make the article more informative and provide examples via each listing that help the reader understand what definition of indigenous is being applied here. True, it would take a lot of work, but I would be willing to help out any way I can and not just on the entry for Palestinians. What do you and others interested in improving this article think? "

Sorry for not answering earlier: I think it is an excellent idea, and I would be willing to give it a try. But as you say it is an extremely big undertaking, and I think that we should think about a way to get it underways slowly - and a way to format the content so that adding content becomes easier and so that it stays a list and doesn't become an actual article - maybe some kind of table format would be useful. Lets think a bit about it and post ideas we get at the talk page. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 20:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

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DYK for Moses (bishop)[edit]

Updated DYK query On 7 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Moses (bishop), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BencherliteTalk 08:56, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK (Mavia)[edit]

Updated DYK query On 7 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mavia (queen), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 14:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Palestinian city traditions[edit]

Marhaba and welcome Tiamut, we've missed you these past few days; I hope all is well ;). I noticed that you created an article on Hebron glass today. This is a favorable trend that you are starting on the traditions of Palestinian cities. I have a request for you whenever you have the time; I am quite busy myself. See, the WP Palestine talk page. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

And I started a Mother-of-Pearl carving in Bethlehem. In both that article and in Hebron glass I added what I found in Weir, (as not everybody has that book available.) To both articles I have linked external articles I found about the subject. But NB: in both places: I have hardly used the material in those "See also"/"Further reading" sections (and that material should really be incorporated). And again thanks to Funky for uploading the pictures.. Hope you are ok! And yes, spring has come to my part of the world, too, although we have had snow-storms later that this before, so all is not safe yet.. (I hate snow and ice. Truly!) Take care, Huldra (talk) 09:14, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Obvious sockpuppets[edit]

Hello Tiamut, regarding the Runtshit socks, it is more essential that you report them to WP:AIV rather than tagging the socks. A block as fast as possible is the best way to discourage and stop him, but this requires that administrators become aware of it. Regards --Oxymoron83 11:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment on the Virgin Mary‎[edit]

The article Blessed Virgin Mary‎ is going to be renamed (it would seem) and there is dissussion on the new name. Some advocate "Roman Catholic view of the Virgin Mary" but it could be about the "Catholic and Orthodox view of Mary" the artical was or seemed to be when I first saw it. I have been looking for an Eastern Christian to comment on this. Do you have a view? --Carlaude (talk) 05:15, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for making a comment the other day. Do you want to post an opinion to the straw poll/vote? --Carlaude (talk) 22:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Soap source[edit]

Hey Tiamut, I was looking for sources on the Ottoman history of Nablus, and I came upon this book source by Beshara Doumani[5] I haven't read the file yet but it's titled "Soap, Class and State", so I assumed it talked about Nabulsi soap. Just giving it to you if you want a book source. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:17, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I've begun to read though the book, and here are some new interesting info you could add into the article. BTW a lot of quotes and other information already present in the article are also mentioned in the book.

New info from the book[6]:

...as the soap-manufacturing sector expanded, family control over these jobs diminished, and by the early [British] Mandate period the major factory owners preferred to import skilled soap workers from previous hit Egypt next hit rather than to accede to local strikes and demands for better wages.

and

[John Lewis] Burckhardt’s observation that three thousand camel loads were sent to Nablus annually in the early nineteenth century seems to be fairly accurate. Each tabkha of soap required at least 7 camel loads, or qintars of qilw. Because Nablus soap production ranged, at the very least, from 100 to 400 tabkhas a year, a minimum of 700 to 2,800 camel loads arrived in Nablus annually. Merchants from Nablus and the town of Salt also exported qilw to nearby soap-producing centers, such as Gaza, Jaffa, Lydda, Jerusalem, and Acre.

and

In a small city the size of Nablus, soap-factory owners constituted an exclusive club of powerful individuals who combined political power with wealth and high social status. Points of entry into this exclusive club were determined by two coexisting dynamics: long-term structural transformation in Nabulsi society, on the one hand, and relatively sudden shifts in the balance of political power within the ruling elite, on the other. Perhaps the words that best describe each dynamic would be infiltration and accession, respectively. Thus one would speak, for example, of the slow but steady infiltration of merchants and, at the same time, of the dramatic accession of new ruling families, such as the Abd al-Hadis.

--Al Ameer son (talk) 02:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

For some reason, I can't find the page numbers, so when I cited information on Nablus in the Nablus article I gave the chapter title and the link to that particular chapter. I nominated Nablus for the GA process, so if this is a problem the reviewer would point it out. If you are wary about this however, I guess you could ask an experienced administrator since I don't believe this problem is in the MoS page. Also, the book is online so when you have time check it out, its very interesting; here is the link to the Soap chapter [7]
On another note, thanks for creating the fatta article, its actually mentioned as fatteh in Palestinian cuisine, so I'm glad there's a link for it now. I think I'll be able to contribute some information on the dish from an article by Laila el-Haddad. I also wanted to congratulate you on Nabulsi soap's GA success, next up Hebron glass I assume ;) Lastly, I would appreciate you reviewing the Culture section of the Nablus article, since I know you have a great interest in that subject. Hope you been doing alright lately, and good luck on any future projects. Regards, --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:54, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Hahaha Wow, I can't believe I didn't notice Doumani is cited in the article and here I am saying "a lot of quotes and other information already present in the article are also mentioned in the book". Well I'm glad this is all cleared up. Thanks for copyediting the "Culture" section. I hope Nablus makes it on the first pass. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:31, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK[edit]

Updated DYK query On 19 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hebron glass, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Cirt (talk) 19:50, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Have you seen this?[edit]

I just saw this, damn, that's crazy! [8] [9] The PDF: [10] Funkynusayri (talk) 13:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

First Intifada lead image[edit]

Hello Tiamut, I noticed you have interest in First Intifada, I'm looking for a lead img for the article, img of stone-throwing demonstrations, if you have any sources please provide them, thanks. Imad marie (talk) 14:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry about copyright, we can use a copyrighted img in case we don't find free substitutes, see Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. Thanks Imad marie (talk) 16:28, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Accusations[edit]

Considering that you opened a re-naming debate at 2006 Lebanon war, three days after someone using the email yonathan@ou.edu suggested that he would do just that while calling for back-up from fellow editors in this group of documents here, I'm concerned that you may be engaged in canvassing and meat-puppetry. I would like to therefore ask you, if yonathan@ou.edu is in fact an email address that you use? Thanks. Tiamuttalk 15:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Tiamut, I understand your suspicion. It's fairly reasonable, given the circumstances. But the evidence you present is purely circumstantial. Regarding your inquiry about yonathan@ou.edu, if I wanted my email address to be public information, I would have posted it on my user profile. Screen stalker (talk) 18:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the civility of your response, Screen stalker. You are, of course, entitled to refuse to answer the question. Similarly however, without such a response, others will be free to draw their own conclusions. Tiamuttalk 18:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Nabulsi soap[edit]

Hi, I wasn't quite sure what category to put Nabulsi soap's GA listing in, so I chose Middle East History. Feel free to move it if you'd prefer it to be in some other category. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 18:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Jaakobou RfC[edit]

Please see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jaakobou. I'm especially interested in any evidence you may have of Jaakobou compiling tendentious "evidence" against you and shopping it around to various forums, admins, etc. <eleland/talkedits> 20:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

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Hello[edit]

how are.. i didn't talk to you since 1 or 2 months..hope you are alright and still remaber me> -my regards for you -O.waqfi (talk) 19:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

that's very good...yse here in Irbid the spring is amazing, and it's so hot, really i didn't come to the arabic & english wikipedia for 1 month, because i am still studying..and what about you?..really now am writing on arabic wikipedia and somethimes at english,,--O.waqfi (talk) 07:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Request for Assistance[edit]

Tiamut, I am writing to request your assistance, given that you were involved in the centralized discussion on the Neighborhoods or Settlements of Jerusalem question. It seems as though an editing war has eruped over at Gilo, Pisgat Ze'ev, Ramot and Neve Yaakov, and i was hoping you might be able to take a look. To be honest, I am not sure if i am best requesting arbitration, or just to have a third party look at it first. The Neighborhood side has admitted to me that its legal status as a neighborhood of Jerusalem is disputed (by the international community), and yet they keep describing these places as neighborhoods as if that is not disputed at all. And somehow the view that it is a settlement is potrayed as much less prominent than it is, seems minimised and yet, is actually less widely disputed (at least amongst the International Community) than the view of it being a neighborhood. To me, leading with one disputed term which serves really, in effect, only a nationalist purpose is a disgrace to Wikipedia, when we can lead with two disputed terms that better highlight the dispute over these areas and the relative viewpoints of all involved. Colourinthemeaning (talk) 03:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

New Message[edit]

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An idea worth trying?[edit]

Hi, here's a thought that might do some good. Today I was chatting with an editor from Serbia. Mentioned the Serbian-Croatian ethnic disputes on en:Wiki and he surprised me by telling me the Serbian and Croatian Wikipedias actually get along pretty well. Basically what happened was some guys packed into a car, drove to Zagreb, and shook some hands. Then some other guys packed into another car, drove to Belgrade, and shook some hands. Once they saw that they were all pretty normal people, things calmed down a lot.

Maybe there's a way we can replicate that. Would you be willing to try a voice chat on Skype? I've noticed that when Wikipedia editors get into a conference call, with voices instead of just text, it's easier to find common ground. Wishing you well, DurovaCharge! 06:34, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

New Article on Al Aqabah Village[edit]

I wanted to draw your attention to an article I created - al Aqabah. Please feel free to add and tag it to the appropriate projects. All the best,SelfEvidentTruths (talk) 23:24, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure you had good intentions but you now completely erased the whole page about Al Aqabah village in the West Bank. I cannot find it anymore. All spellings now direct readers to Aqaba, Jordan. I foresaw that problem and that's why I created a Disambiguation Page, and it seems your changes messed that up too. Regarding the spelling, with respect to the village in the West Bank, Rebuilding Alliance uses Al Aqabah and Gush Shalom uses Aqaba and the UN OCHA uses Al Aqaba. The village does not have an official website so we can't get anything from there. What is clear is that the coastal city in Jordan is officially spelled Aqaba. Because of all this confusion, I propose the following: All spellings, including al-aqaba and al-aqabah will be directed to a Disambiguation Page which will have 2 options: Aqaba, Jordan and Aqaba, West Bank. The readers will be able to select between the two. This way we prevent the possibility that people will miss out on either one of the cities, mistakenly thinking that only one of them exists in Wikipedia. SelfEvidentTruths (talk) 16:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
As you can see, I've created Aqaba, West Bank and there is already a Aqaba, Jordan and I created Aqaba as a Disambiguation Page. The problem is that I fear it will be vandalized. So how do we protect it? SelfEvidentTruths (talk) 17:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
There is really no 'edit' history b/c I'm the only who participated in the creation and editing of the whole page. I think this way (with aqaba being a Disambiguation) is preferable because I don't want people searching for Aqaba to miss my article. Both cities share the same spelling in Arabic, and so I don't see why one of them should have a preference. As I wrote on the Discussion page, I saw many exmaples for this on WP, for example Silver Spring. All the best, SelfEvidentTruths (talk) 17:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Sure, no problem. Thanks for help. Cheers, SelfEvidentTruths (talk) 17:34, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

meaning of Aqaba[edit]

Maybe you could also help with finding out the meaning of Aqaba. Searched a bit on the web but came up with nothing. In Hebrew, the root עקב (A.Q.V, same letters as the Arabic A.Q.B) has several meanings: It denotes causation (meaning "becasue of") and also denotes trickery (see the story in Genesis 27 where Jacob means "he grasps the heel" - figuratively, he deceives- and later on in that story we find, after Jacob tricked his father and deceived him into thinking that he's Esau - "Esau said, "Isn't he rightly named Jacob? He has deceived me these two times: He took my birthright, and now he's taken my blessing!" (Genesis 27:36). From this we get the name Jacob (in Hebrew יעקב - ya'akov). And in modern Hebrew, the word for surveillance and follow-up is 'ma'akav' מעקב which also is dervied from the same root. My suspicion is that Aqaba is related to the name Jacob (Ya'akoob) but I don't have any confirmation for this. It is very interesting, though, that the name of a village where Israelis have tricked the Palestinians and deceived them has exactly that same meaning in Hebrew. Best, SelfEvidentTruths (talk) 17:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

AE thread[edit]

I have closed Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement#Eleland issues persist. Please read the closing note. If you have any questions or if there any problems, please feel free to drop a line on my talk page or send me an email. Vassyana (talk) 02:44, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: How to deal with Aqaba[edit]

Hi there FayssalF! I hope you are doing well. Question for you about how to deal with a naming issue: Originally, our article on Aqaba was only about the one in Jordan. Recently, an editor created Al Aqabah, which was originally about a town in the West Bank. A Jordanian editor edit warred its content away, redirecting it to the Aqaba article on Jordan (In fact, when I stepped into the thing, I thought the article on Al Aqabah was on the Aqaba in Jordan since he had copy-pasted its contents there and I redirected it to Aqaba, but that is not now important).

Anyway, it seems clear that Aqaba should be a disambig page leading to Aqaba, West Bank and Aqaba, Jordan and that Al Aqabah should also be a redirect to the disambig. The editor who created Al Aqabah hasdone this. My only concern is that the way he has done it means that the histories of the pages are lost. Would it better to restore the content originally at Aqaba and Al Aqabah and move these pages to Aqaba, Jordan and Aqaba, West Bank respectively. And then make Aqaba and Al Aqabah into a disambig and redirect, respectively. That might require deleting powers, but that's how I think the page histories can be preserved. Can you help us do this, or offer another suggestion? Thanks. Tiamuttalk 17:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

user:PFHLai beat me to it and i only could help in this. I think what you have done is the most appropriate way to do it. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 13:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Hey Tiamut, Just like I expected somebody vandalized the agreed-upon dismbiguation page and now when you search "Aqaba" you only get Jordan. Can you help? I see this as vandalism. Both are spelled the same way in Arabic, both are in the Middle East, and although the Jordanian Aqaba has more population, the one garnering Israeli and international attention now is Aqaba, West Bank. So my proposal is the fairest way to deal with this. Can you alert an administrator? SelfEvidentTruths (talk) 22:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

See my reply to your note on my talkpage. Best, SelfEvidentTruths (talk) 15:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Very funny[edit]

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For your edit summary here Avi (talk) 15:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

article discusion edits[edit]

Hi! Good to have your edits just now at that centralized discussion page. nice to be working with you again, however briefly. thanks for writing. see you. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 14:30, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Aqaba[edit]

I came across the article on short page patrol. Following WP norm: the better known subject is left at the article's name and the others are dabs, e.g., London, Paris, Moscow, Rome which aren't dabs to disambiguate the lesser-known places in Ontario, Texas, Idaho, or New York from these European capital cities. If you want to undo my move and leave Aqaba as a dab, it will be an odd one out. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 16:31, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi again[edit]

I just love it when you wiki-stalk me! Especially when you clean up my English (like you just did on Hebron glass) (And thank you for putting that material on the arb.com page.) I thought that inf. about Hebron beads used as trade beads was fun, imagine: finding Palestinian history in places like Sudan and Ghana...I know there is a lot more to the story; I see sellers on ebay refer to the two books I mentioned all the time. If you search for Hebron beads:[11] you can see several examples. (There are some extremely knowledgeable bead-collectors/dealers out there..)

Anyway, I really shouldn´t be here; I´m "drowning" in off-wiki stuff, which I just cannot postpone any longer. If you need work (;-D) ..could I ask you to take a look at Mother-of-Pearl carving in Bethlehem? I was going to incorporate the material from the two external links into the article, but I just do not have the time now. Anyway, take care! Huldra (talk) 22:14, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Nablus lead[edit]

Marhaba Tiamut, I was wondering, whenever you have the time, if you could copyedit the Nablus lead into four paragraphs. I remember you did it for Bethlehem, so I hoped you would do the same here. This, and the length of the history section (Ottoman and Egyptian sections) are the only issues preventing the article from reaching GA status. You don't have to the latter btw. --Al Ameer son (talk) 14:08, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Nablus has been listed as a Good article. Thanks for all your help in making that possible. Congrats! --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Rate Aqabah article[edit]

Hi Tiamut, Could you rate the Aqabah article? Notice that I decided to settle on the "Aqabah" spelling since the Jordanian town has already taken up "Aqaba." I think that on the web the "Aqabah" spelling is more frequent. Cheers, SelfEvidentTruths (talk) 18:10, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

FYI, RSs?[edit]

I stumbled upon these, while looking for something and then trying to improve my general knowledge on the time period. I thought you might want to peruse them. I couldn't find them on a Wiki search, as having been used/found, but I don't know how to search too well. They look pretty RS to me. [12],[13], [14],[15],[16],[17] and, [18]. I found them enlightening and interesting, but didn't look at all. Regards, CasualObserver'48 (talk) 07:58, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

new article on Letter of British Jews[edit]

Hello Tiamut, I thought you would be interested to read and perhaps improve my new article Letter of British Jews on 60th anniversary of Israel. Best, SelfEvidentTruths (talk) 19:59, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Second Intifada[edit]

Could you amend your comment on the talk page, just to acknowledge that you're aware the decision by whoever is selected will be binding? Thanks. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 18:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Noooo![edit]

I'm sorry you won't be able to edit much for a while, hopefully it won't be for too long. I'm happy that you got the job, but sad I'll be without a great friend and partner here on wiki. I'm especially saddened because I also won't be as active as usual for the next three weeks because of exams and public speaking at my school. Inshalla we'll edit as much as possible and continue to advance Palestine-related articles on wikipedia. Salaam and good luck! --Al Ameer son (talk) 02:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

P.S. I probably won't edit Nablus until the summer break and I'll be in Palestine in July-August. My aunt lives in Yafa an-Naseriyye, so maybe I'll contact you there. Cheers!

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter[edit]

Israeli Arab vs. Palestinian Israeli[edit]

FYI, I have added the following text to Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(identity)#Indigenous_peoples:

References to indigenous Arab citizens of Israel should include some use of the term "Palestinian," as in "Palestinian citizens of Israel" or "Palestinian Israelis." This is because polls show that "Palestinian" is the primary self-identification of a majority or plurality of Palestinian Israelis.[2][3][4][5] This is underscored by the fact that: "Virtually all political parties, movements and non-governmental organisations from within the [Israeli] Arab community use the word 'Palestinian' somewhere in their description – at times failing to make any reference to Israel."[6] This style has also been adopted, informally at least, by major news organizations such as the BBC, e.g. "There are about 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel who are Israeli citizens."[7][8][9]

--DieWeisseRose (talk) 11:37, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Arab citizens of Israel[edit]

Renaming Arab Israelis to Arab Citizens of Israel has come up again. Want to cast your vote?LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 07:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

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hi, how are you Tiamut .......we didn't talk for a while ....really i am talking now an englsih course at the British Council ..... what about you ? . --O.waqfi (talk) 06:55, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

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The Arabs image[edit]

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Yalo[edit]

Greetings Tiamut! So good to hear from you, even if it's just a few moments. I'm so glad you started Yalo, I wanted to start it (and Beit Nuba) a long time ago, but I couldn't find enough sources and I really wanted to get cracking on the PNA governorates, towns and villages so I didn't have much time. I've been working on the Great Mosque of Gaza these last few days and nominated it for DYK a few days ago, hopefully it'll be featured tomorrow. My trip was very decent this year (it was pretty hot and humid though in Kafr Yasif). I went to Nazareth twice: first time to visit my aunt, second time to eat kanafeh, which was delicious (its the Galilee's Nablus.) Oh and one of the best days of my trip was when I met and spoke with Samih al-Qasim when he was holding a small seminar in Kafr Yasif's church. I'm glad I met him before it was too late, as it has become now with Mahmoud Darwish (Allah Yarhamou). I was thinking maybe when you return "full-time" to wiki, we would attempt to better the article on him to a GA, sort of like a tribute. Last thing, I just want to say I understand you would like to keep your business and identity private, which is a good thing for a user who edits Israeli-Palestinian-related articles on wikipedia. I'll speak and edit with you soon, goodbye for now. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:29, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Land Day poster Abdel Rahman Al Muzain 1984.jpg[edit]

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