User talk:Tim1965

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Wiki event questions[edit]

Tim, have you ever heard of someone who has been "disinvited" to a wikipedia event? Montanabw(talk) 23:40, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Never. - Tim1965 (talk) 18:57, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
    • Email me, I have a "situation" I'd like your opinion on. Montana wiki-drama in real life. Montanabw(talk) 19:15, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Suggestion for changing the name of the article[edit]

Hi Tim, I wanted to add "company info box" to Union Labor Life Insurance Company and realized that the article is about Ullico, but have information mostly about Union Labor Life Insurance Company. It might be confusing, so I suggest either changing the name of the article to main company name "Ullico" or perhaps creating two separate articles and keeping the one about Union Labor Life Insurance Company as subsidairy of Ullico. Please let me know what your thoughts before I make any changes. Klapouchy (talk) 20:36, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Since the company changed its name formally to ULLICO, and then made Union Labor Life a subsidiary, I think the name of the article should be changed to Ullico (lower caps, except for the first letter. That's how the company refers to itself now.) This has the advantage of allowing future contributors to add new sections on new subsidiaries, so the article can be updated and grow. If, at some future date, there is enough information on Ullico and its subsidiaries to warrant a separate article for Union Labor Life, we can change the redirect and move the text over again. But I'd agree going forward with Ullico. - Tim1965 (talk) 22:02, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Battle of Fort Stevens Edit-a-Thon![edit]

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Sorry for the last minute update, but our friends at the DC Historical Society have scheduled a Battle of Fort Stevens Edit-a-Thon to commemorate the 150th anniversary of the Civil War battle fought in the District. The event will last from noon to 2 PM on Wednesday, July 30. Hope you can make it!


James Hare

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Metropolis (1927 film)[edit]

Aiming to get this up to GA. Would you be interested in expanding/improving it?♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:04, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia and YOUR History: Taking Control of the Internet[edit]

Come one and come all. To a presentation at the Laurel Historical Society about how you can help verify, validate, and edit the information that is on the front line of local history.

Picture your self leading the masses to improve Wikimedia one article at a time.
  • Show the Internet who is the better editor.
  • Be the creator of culture that you know you are.
  • Spread the knowledge of noteworthy people who no one but you cares about.
  • Lead the charge to a better Wikipedia --- eventually.

Geraldshields11 (talk) 02:08, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia and YOUR History: Taking Control of the Internet[edit]

See you at the Laurel Pool Room, 9th and Main Street, Laurel, MD on Thursday, September 11, 2014 at 7:00 PM EST. See for more information. Geraldshields11 (talk) 02:13, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia DC invites revolutionaries, free thinkers, and other sundry editors to a DC WikiSalon[edit]

The WikiSalon is a special meetup usually held during the first and third full weeks of every month, from 7 PM to 9 PM. It's an informal gathering of Wikimedia enthusiasts, who come together to discuss Wikimedia wikis and collaboratively edit. There's no set agenda, and guests are welcome to recommend articles for the group to edit or edit on their own.

If you're coming by Metro, the closest station is Dupont Circle (on the Red Line). If you're driving, a lot of parking opens up downtown after 6:30 PM, so finding a parking space (even a free one) should be easy. Once you've found the building, go to Cove on the second floor. We will be in the conference room.

When: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 at 7:00 PM to 9:00 PM

Where: The Cove, Dupont Circle, 1730 Connecticut Avenue NW, 2nd floor, 20009, DC

For more information, see

My best regards, Geraldshields11 (talk) 02:26, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia DC's Wonderful meetups[edit]

Wikimedia DC's Upcoming meetups

  • Thursday, September 11: “Wikipedia and YOUR History: Taking Control of the Internet, One Article at a Time!”
    A presentation at the Laurel Historical Society about how you can help verify, validate, and edit the information that is on the front line of local history. Laurel Pool Room, 9th and Main Street in Laurel, MD. 7 PM.
  • Wednesday, September 17: WikiSalon
    Come for the pizza, stay for the conversation. 7 PM – 9 PM
  • Saturday, September 20: September Meetup
    Get dinner and drinks with fellow Wikipedians! 6 PM
  • Sunday, September 21: Laurel History Edit-a-Thon
    Local history for Wikipedia! 10:15 AM – 4 PM
  • Saturday, September 27 – Sunday, September 28: Please RSVP for the Open Government WikiHack at Eventbrite by clicking on the link. The National Archives and Records Administration and Wikimedia DC are teaming up to come up with solutions that help integrate government data into Wikipedia. 10:30 AM – 5 PM each day

My best regards, Geraldshields11 (talk) 22:50, 6 September 2014 (UTC)


Poppies in the Sunset on Lake Geneva.jpg A Commemoration Barnstar
For excellent work on the Cross of Sacrifice. Hchc2009 (talk) 18:01, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Gosh, thanks!!! - Tim1965 (talk) 18:17, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Memorial Bridge approaches[edit]

I'm wondering if you have any maps from about 1928 showing the planned approaches. I'm trying to figure out exactly what was added to the state highway system in 1928 (pp. 23-24). In particular, had the exact route of the Lee (now Arlington) Boulevard been set, or was it going to run closer to the cemetery? (There were further additions in 1930 (p. 20) and 1938 (p. 20), which almost perfectly match the mileage of current US 50 and SR 237, but I'm unable to figure out exactly what was added when.) Also, any idea where "Porter Woods'" was? Thanks. --NE2 19:57, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

PS: you might find the maps on interesting, showing how US 50 literally had a gap. --NE2 20:00, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Boy, Porter Woods -- I've never heard of that before. I wish I had maps of the area prior to 1928, but I don't. The only thing I can think of is whether there isn't a topographical map from the US Geological Survey from the 1920s. That might show the streets and highways prior to 1928. - Tim1965 (talk) 01:25, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

I was hoping for something from about 1928 showing what the plans were at that time (like File:Army Quartermaster Corps proposed Arlington Memorial Bridge and approaches - 1926.jpg but updated with the Lee Boulevard and Straight-to-the-Bridge Route). I have found some pre-1928 maps, but proposed roads aren't on them: 1900, 1915, as well as 1938. --NE2 03:03, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
I am not sure if there is a proposed road map. A "before" map, that shows roads before any new roads were built, is maybe the best we can hope for. I don't have access to the Virginia archives, nor National Capital Parks and Planning Commission files. I found my map because I've done a lot of articles about Arlington National Cemetery, and lucked out in coming across that one map. But I will check around; someone might know something over at Greater Greater Washington blog or something. - Tim1965 (talk) 03:16, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Japanese deportation[edit]

Ok, I couldn't see those pages. But there are sources, any chance you could find and add them? The figure seems correct and matches what our article on the subject says. Dougweller (talk) 15:55, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

I will try to find citations for that (although noting the size of the Japanese-American internment is not essential on the "Deportation" page). I see there's no actual citations there on Japanese-American internment, either. That's kind of a major omission. If "various sources" say 110,000 to 120,000 internees, then those sources should be cited on the Japanese-American Internment page. I ran into the same problem on the page USS Maine Mast Memorial, where various authoritative sources gave wildly differing numbers of crew, dead, and interments. I don't have an elegant solution to the problem; footnoting the discrepancies seemed to gloss over the problem in that article. - Tim1965 (talk) 16:34, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

The wonderful annual meeting! And more![edit]

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Hello, fellow Wikipedian!

I am excited to announce our upcoming Annual Meeting at the National Archives! We'll have free lunch, an introduction by Archivist of the United States David Ferriero, and a discussion featuring Ed Summers, the creator of CongressEdits. Join your fellow DC-area Wikipedians on Saturday, October 18 from 12 to 4:30 PM. RSVP today!

Also coming up we have the Human Origins edit-a-thon on October 17 and the WikiSalon on October 22. Hope to see you at our upcoming events!


James Hare

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I see you wrote Holmead's Burying Ground. I came across that subject a few years ago while researching my place in Dupont. My friend that lives at 20th and S doesn't believe he lives on a former cemetery site. I'll have to tell him to check out the article to prove otherwise. (just in time for Halloween!) APK whisper in my ear 01:23, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

  • If he doesn't believe, I can play Sounds From the Haunted House outside his apartment window some night to prove it.  :) - Tim1965 (talk) 02:08, 19 October 2014 (UTC)


I was going to nominate my new article at DYK, but uh, things have changed since my last visit in 2010. The process seems more complicated and there's a lot of older entries. Do you bother with it anymore? APK whisper in my ear 15:47, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Sadly, I don't bother with it any more. I didn't mind the added burden of having to review someone else's DYK. But about 2011, some nitpickers got hold of the DYK process; now, the entire article must be completely and fully cited, no redlinks, etc. I guess Wikipedia was "embarrassed" by some DYKs which had a cited claim, but which made outlandish, stupid, patently wrong claims elsewhere in the article which weren't cited. Thus, the added burdens. Essentially, an article can't be a DYK unless it's practically B-class. And the reviewers go way, way, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond the DYK rules, imposing their own judgment calls on language, style, citation templates, and more. I said "Frak it" and haven't used the process since. Occasionally, someone else submits one of my new articles for DYK. But I gave up on it. - Tim1965 (talk) 16:10, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Exactly the reason I gave up on nominating...♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:40, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Oh my. That's sad to hear. APK whisper in my ear 16:32, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Yeah, it is. The massive backlog is indicative of the extreme problems DYK now has. It's become rule-bound (I think there are close to 30 rules a DYK submission has to meet now), and those who judge whether a contributor has met the rules often (it seems) are not contributors themselves but merely rule-enforcers. They derive power and satisfaction from enforcing rules, rather than seeing the encyclopedia grow. I'm not the only one to abandon DYK. Most heavy contributors have. Those who tend to post to DYK now, it seems, tend to be newbies who don't know any better, or those contributors really committed to their article and who want it to get attention (often because it's the first step to pushing an article to GA and then FA class). - Tim1965 (talk) 16:51, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm a glutton for punishment. <insert joke> I've nominated two articles to test what happens. APK whisper in my ear 00:51, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Good luck! Sometimes you get a good reviewer and they rocket through. - Tim1965 (talk) 01:08, 29 October 2014 (UTC)


Tim: I made the changes yesterday to the Watergate wiki. I changed the reference from condominiums to cooperative apartments. I live in the Watergate, and I know that all of the residential apartments are cooperative apartments and not condominiums. If you search the text of the wiki you will see several references to cooperative apartments. - Not a big deal, but just trying to correct the wording. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WatergateResident (talkcontribs) 20:21, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Institute of Peace[edit]

Did you write the description yourself or is it from a news source I can cite? APK whisper in my ear 02:00, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

  • I wrote that myself. I'm sure I did research to learn those facts, but I couldn't tell you today where I found 'em (although they shouldn't be too hard to find again). - Tim1965 (talk) 03:47, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Presented without comment[edit]

link APK whisper in my ear 23:25, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

My god! Are there Klingons around Uranus? - Tim1965 (talk) 17:37, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
SCOMN! Montanabw(talk) 06:42, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:In God We Trust All Others Pay Cash - Random House - 2013.jpg[edit]


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End-of-the-year meetups[edit]


You're invited to the end-of-the-year meetup at Busboys and Poets on Sunday, December 14 at 6 PM. There is Wi-Fi, so bring your computer if you want!

You are also invited to our WikiSalon on Thursday, December 18 at 7 PM.

Hope to see you at our upcoming events!


James Hare

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Salish Mountains[edit]

Can you or Horsie find anything on this to at least make it worth keeping? Been like that for eight years...♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:25, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Let me see. I'm transitioning to a new computer, and hope to be done within a day or so. - Tim1965 (talk) 19:50, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Horsie?? Montanabw(talk) 04:03, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
I wanted "Filly", but got vetoed.  ;) - Tim1965 (talk) 04:46, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, old gray mare is probably most accurate, though not as flattering! But anyway, I pinged User:Mike Cline to take a look at the article, he does a lot of the geographic feature articles. Montanabw(talk) 23:38, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
You realize, of course, that today is the day when The Simpsons debuted in 1989. In honor of that, here's the lyrics from "Krusty Gets Kancelled", the 22nd and final episode of The Simpsons '​ fourth season:
The old grey mare she
Ain't what she used t' be
Ain't what she used t' be
Ain't what she used t' be
 :) - Tim1965 (talk) 00:03, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Global account[edit]

Hi Tim1965! As a Steward I'm involved in the upcoming unification of all accounts organized by the Wikimedia Foundation (see m:Single User Login finalisation announcement). By looking at your account, I realized that you don't have a global account yet. In order to secure your name, I recommend you to create such account on your own by submitting your password on Special:MergeAccount and unifying your local accounts. If you have any problems with doing that or further questions, please don't hesitate to ping me with {{ping|DerHexer}}. Cheers, —DerHexer (Talk) 14:56, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

  • I never unified my accounts for a good reason: If Wikipedia is hacked, all my accounts are hacked. Keeping distinct accounts provides security. But, Wiki Foundation didn't see it that way... - (talk) 15:20, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
    • Yeah, completely understood. Cheers, —DerHexer (Talk) 15:22, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
      • I'll unify once I get home (I'm on Xmas vacation). - (talk) 15:38, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

File:Austrian ambassador's residence.JPG[edit]

On your Flickr photo of this building, you said it was designed by Appleton P. Clark Jr. I'm writing an article on him and that's the only building of his I can't find a source. Do you remember where you read he designed it? I know he designed Crounse's other house and there's several references for that one, like this. But I can't find anything for the Wyoming Avenue house. APK whisper in my ear 07:55, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm almost sure I took the info from the National Trust's pamphlet they distributed during the Kalorama House Tour in 2013. - Tim1965 (talk) 16:54, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Crounse ordered construction of the builidng in 1925 at a cost of $87,000 ("Building Permits Increase $162,350", Washington Evening Star, 07-18-1925, p. 15) and began living there on June 26, 1926 ("Society Breaking Ranks for Fashionable Resorts," The Sunday Star, 06-27-1926, pp. 43-44 (info on p. 44)). But I'm almost sure the pamphlet was the origination of the information on Clark. - Tim1965 (talk) 17:25, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Ok, muchas gracias. APK whisper in my ear 17:34, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Homestead strike[edit]

I haven't been on Wiki for a while, so I may be a bit out of touch on the new conventions, but I was wondering what the basis was for reverting a deletion I made regarding an item that was patently false in the above captioned article. I appreciate hearing from you. - DocGov (talk) 17:07, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Because it's not patently false. First, whether you or I believe a fact is right or wrong, WP:CITE says that Wikipedia relies solely on published, unbiased sources. The fact in question (Carnegie Steel existed and was not unionized for 40 years) was cited with a published, unbiased source. For you or I to correct the fact violates WP:Original, Wikipedia's ban on original research. Second, the fact is not "patently" false. Carnegie Steel continued to exist as a subsidiary of US Steel for many decades after its absorption into US Steel. US Steel retained the names for a number of its subsidiary companies long after their absorption into the parent firm. Other subsidiaries of US Steel may hae unionized, but the Carnegie Steel subsidiary did not. Third, assuming you found a published, unbiased source that said "the name Carnegie Steel was never used by US Steel after 1902", WP:CITE lays out a specific way of dealing with facts which are in conflict. "Both" (there may be many conflicting) facts should be discussed in the article, and both cited with published, unbiased sources. The conflict in published sources should be noted in the text by the editors. For example, see the section "The Maine disaster" in the article USS Maine Mast Memorial. in some situations, the majority of sources clearly agree on one fact, while one or two other sources disagree. In that case, editors may wish to cite the majority-supported fact in the text, while adding a footnote (and inline citation) that documents the contradictory fact. For example, see the section "Revealing the secret to the cast" in the article Broadchurch (series 1) (where Chris Chibnall says he told actor Matthew Gravelle about his role as the murderer in a TV show two weeks ahead of time; in one lone news article, Chibnall says he told Gravelle "the night before", and that contradictory fact is footnoted and cited). WP:CITE clearly warns editors against trying to say "this source is better than that source". The violates WP:Original, substituting an editor's opinion for that of a published, unbiased source. That's why mentioning contradictory facts is the way through the conflict. - Tim1965 (talk) 17:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Broadchurch spoilers revisited[edit]

Hi Tim, I notice the spoiler content in the lead at Broadchurch keeps getting changed back and forth, (your recent reversion here), for instance. I'm well aware of WP:SPOILER and WP:NOTCENSORED. I've not been reinstating the spoilers in the lead because I'm not sure it belongs there. Anecdotally-speaking, there is less resistance to include spoilers in relevant sections, like plot summaries, where a reader might reasonably expect to find such information, and could reasonably avoid spoiling it for themselves. That has been the crux of previous discussions on the matter. I'm not sure if being explicit in the lead is necessarily the best way to go. On the other hand, I also know that encyclopedias should serve an academic purpose first and foremost, and not concern itself with the entertainment value of the content it is delivering. I don't plan to fight you on this, just thought I'd drop a note. Regards! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:37, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Dupont and Gomorrah watering hole[edit]

I'm having trouble finding any information about the Dupont Circle Fountain dedication ceremony. (mentioned here) I looked for newspaper articles in my usual ways (here, here and here), but the only thing I found were two mentions of First Lady Florence Harding and Secretary of the Navy Edwin Denby attending the ceremony. You seem to have supernatural powers when it comes to finding sources. Can you look for some when you get some free time? APK whisper in my ear 01:15, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Oh man, easy peasy! I added the cite to the article, but here's the article itself [1]. There are actually three or four articles about the fountain around that date, but I got just the one for you. - Tim1965 (talk) 02:35, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Muchas gracias! After I left the above message, I found two articles on the Chronicling America link. I searched "Dupont" and "fountain" instead of "Dupont Circle" "fountain" and had better luck. But your link has a lot more information. I'll work on it this evening. Thanks for your help. APK whisper in my ear 02:40, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
That's what I did, google "Dupont" and "fountain" as separate words. If you need more info, let me know. I didn't even check NRHP or LOC HABS sites. - Tim1965 (talk) 02:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
And here are some more articles, in PDF form, you might enjoy: [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], and [8]. Having a D.C. Public Library patron ID gives me free access to WaPo and Evening Star archives for free. Plus, the interfaces are tons better than the WaPo pay-to-view archiver, and about 10,000 times faster! You need a friend in D.C., my friend. - Tim1965 (talk) 03:17, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Oh yes, those will come in handy. I saw those last two sources in the WaPo archives, but I could only see the first sentence or two. I had an ID at some point. I'm not sure where my old library card is hiding... Thanks for the links. APK whisper in my ear 04:23, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Interested in an informal PR?[edit]

Hi Tim, I am planning to take Bazy Tankersley to FAC soon. (Yes, she was a horsey person) I ran a PR on it several months back and have some good comments to help improve it, but I'm looking for one more set of eyes on it before I run it up the FAC flagpole Comments on the article talk page are all I need, and my ego can handle your critique. I'm picking on you in part due to your base in Washington, DC, and it's her years in Washington that I want to be sure are covered properly - she was a friend of Joseph McCarthy in the 50s, but wound up evolving and voted for Obama in 2008! Fascinating lady. I kind of know what I want to add to the horse sections, but it's also helpful to have a not-very-horsey person look those bits over too. Interested? Montanabw(talk) 00:10, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

I can help a little, but I'm in the process of moving and after the end of this week don't have much time. But I'll do what I can! - Tim1965 (talk) 20:36, 21 January 2015 (UTC)