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Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

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Your Frank Richardson article[edit]

Hi Timothy, I see you have had a bit of a battle (more than you need have had, I think). Maybe these Americans have no idea what a Chief Constable is, but fortunately I do! You certainly don't have a notability issue with your topic, and I don't think you have a problem with sources. (Print references are fine, we don't have to be able to access everything online, and especially not from so long ago, relatively speaking.) You do have something of a formatting problem, but I am going to see what I can do about that, and then come back to you on it. Regards, David_FLXD (Talk) 19:58, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Follow up - I have made the necessary changes. The only thing which now prevents me from accepting your article is that there are too many places where inline citations are still needed. I have marked these places. Have a look, and see if any of your sources contain the needed information, or if you can find new ones that do. You do not have to fill in all the blanks - with a few [citation needed] tags remaining in the article, I can still publish it in main space; you just have to reduce the number of these tags. When you supply a reference, delete that citation needed tag. Do look at what I have done with the references, and copy the method. Then there are one or two places in the text which you had marked as references which looked to me more like asides or quotations. If it seemed the former, I put them in brackets. If the latter, they were italicised. Consider cutting some of these, eg the details of Dew and Crippen are doubtless contained in those articles, and are not really relevant here. (A mention of the connection is fine.) The article need not be perfect to be accepted, but it should ideally be subtantially complete. Oh yes, and you only need sign ~~~~ your edits on Talk pages, not article pages. For any article, viewing the History tab and particular changes (click on, say, Prev to see the change compared to the previous version of the article) will show you who made what changes. Use this to see what I did to your article. Contact me any time on my Talk page if you need further help, or when you feel the article is ready. Don't bother to resubmit it to Articles for Creation, I can publish it directly. Excellent research, by the way! David_FLXD (Talk) 21:31, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

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Wiki markup[edit]

Hi Timothy, I've fixed the dates for you (you had to edit in the Infobox section, right at the top of the edit page) and also added them to the opening sentence as per convention when these are available. I see you are still making some mistakes with the wiki markup (eg closing ref tags like this </ref) instead of like this: </ref>. Here is a useful link to the simple reference to wiki markup which you may find useful: Wiki cheatsheet. It also links to the full version, which is rather more complex. If you can't figure out how to do something, feel free to ask me, otherwise at the Teahouse if I am not around (which will shortly be true, for a little while). Your article is looking good! Regards, David_FLXD (Talk) 19:11, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Your email[edit]

"I didn't expect you to spend time to format my document as you did- I'm very grateful that you did! But do all reviewers do that or did you just do it to help me on my way. Should I not have done it?"

  • Most reviewers will contribute to formatting/rewriting when, as in this case, they find the article worth while, potentially very good and/or personally interesting. We know that almost all of the articles submitted for creation are from first-time contributors who do not yet know how to do it themselves. Now that you have seen how it works, of course, you can do it yourself next time. I should add that most reviewers will not put themselves out for bad articles!

"On the page that started me off with Wikipedia- City of Salisbury Wiltshire Police- there is an entry for Ernest Frank Richardson (my Grandfather) as one of its Chief Constables. It seems sensible to me to add to this page that his full biography, which I completed last year, is deposited as a hard copy with the Wiltshire Record Office. The book is not for sale. Is it good Wiki etiquite to mention this fact about the location and book, or not?"

  • In this case, not, unless it (or copies of it) are available on request to the public. 99.9999999999% (rough guess!) of Wikipedia users would be unable to access it in this case, so there would not be much point, as weighed against possible accusations of self- or family promotion (see WP:COI). Not that I think that of you.

"I have in mind to write articles on Ernest Frank Richardsons' father,a brother, plus collectively four other brothers (all policemen) and the first woman to be attested in 1917 by Grandfather. Can these be linked in Wiki as individual articles, or would you advise I just write and publish each as a separate peice?"

  • Each person with an article must be notable enough in themselves (and have adequate reliable sources for the information) to justify having their own article. For each person that does meet the criteria, as your grandfather did, write their own article and link between them. Wikipedia likes pages that are cross-linked! However, a group of pages that are only cross-linked to each other and to nowhere else is frowned upon. In this case you have at least one outside linke from the Salisbury City Police page.

Please note that the preferred communication channel for Wikipedia matters, unless there is some reason for private communication, is the Talk page. I only emailed you because you were not responding on your talk page and I hoped to get a heads up that way. Also keep in mind that, as you may already have realised, the email address you have for me is an anti-spam disposable mailbox and may be terminated without notice!

I trust this helps you. Regards, David_FLXD (Talk) 06:43, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

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Reply to your Articles for Creation Help Desk question on Florence Mildred White[edit]

AFC-Logo.svg Hello, TimothyWF! I'm Gerda Arendt. I have replied to your question on the Articles for Creation Help Desk about Florence Mildred White.
You can read it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Mildred Florence White. Huon (talk) 18:38, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Contacting other users[edit]

Hello TimothyWF, just a quick note: When you contact other users, please don't use the User: page (that's for stuff the users may wish to write about themselves), but the User talk: page. I've moved your comments directed to me to User talk:Huon#Florence Mildred White.

Regarding the sources for Florence Mildred White: Wikipedia's preferred sources are published sources that are subject to editorial oversight, such as newspaper articles, scholarly papers published in peer-reviewed journals, or books published with reputable publishers. The police records would probably be White's employer writing about White, which would make them primary sources, not the secondary sources we prefer. Furthermore, to allow our readers to actually verify what the police records say, we'd need such information as the date of the records, the file number, the precise police institution and so on - if the records have been published as a book, the ISBN would help significantly. But it would be much better if White were discussed in a book on, say, women in the British police - surely such works exist, and White as an early example should be covered in some detail. Huon (talk) 20:20, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

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Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

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Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

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Arctic Kangaroo () 15:32, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Teahouse talkback[edit]

Hello Timothy. I have replied to your Teahouse question.--Amadscientist (talk) 19:09, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I made some edits to the article you started[edit]

See here. No need to sign the page! =) Best. Biosthmors (talk) 17:49, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Your submission at AfC Florence Mildred White (August 9)[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Template:Infobox Alfred Herbert Richardson[edit]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Florence Mildred White (November 7)[edit]

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Whether you have cited a book in your article makes no difference to the fact the information about White is sourced from unpublished letters and documents. From what I can see, the Dorothy Peto memoirs are used to cite info about Peto, or general information about women in the police force.
You've obviously done a lot of research. Maybe you should write this up (if someone hasn't done so already) and donate it to the Police Museum too? If there is useful general information in Peto's book, about the role of women in the police, maybe you could add something to the Women in law enforcement article, which needs some attention. All the best! Sionk (talk) 16:32, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

- for joining the Wikipedia:WikiProject Herefordshire. This project is also 'janitored' by members of the neighbouring Wikipedia:WikiProject Worcestershire, a more active project. Some of the content there may provide you with ideas for what can be done for the Herefordshire project. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:24, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Gerard Van Helden[edit]

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Your submission at AfC Gerard Van Helden was accepted[edit]

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Archival sources are not allowed[edit]

I took a look at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Florence Mildred White. I'm not going to bother reviewing it as it's already been failed twice and you've made no meaningful improvements to it. I've also noticed with alarm your edits to Frank Richardson (policeman).

Archived sources (letters, personal ephemera) are disallowed as original research. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, which is a tertiary source. Tertiary sources are generalist literature and have to be based on secondary sources written by professionals. Professionals (academics) analyze those primary archived sources and (with analysis) write secondary sources. That doesn't happen here on Wikipedia.

Instead, send your text to The Historical Journal. They published an article called Care or Control? The Metropolitan Women Police and Child Welfare, 1919-1969 so they would be interested in your research. Once you get published in a peer-reviewed journal, we can use your published article as a source. Chris Troutman (talk) 09:38, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

As WP:PRIMARY makes clear, primary sources are not "disallowed": "A primary source may... be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:32, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: Your use of ellipsis is deceptive. WP:PRIMARY says "primary sources that have been reliably published may be used in Wikipedia; but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them". You conveniently left that out. More than half of that article relies exclusively on primary sources. In violation of policy, these aren't even "reliably published" primary sources but archived sources you would have to physically visit in order to verify. Archival sources require analysis as you can't take them at face value. Ask a historian if you doubt me. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:30, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Your accusation that I am "conveniently" being "deceptive" is unacceptable, the entire sentence from which I quoted reads " A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge.". As anyone can see, the ellipsis replaced only the word "only". Your false appeal to policy is equally unbelievable. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:38, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Florence Mildred White (February 10)[edit]

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I like the article and worked a bit on it, - feel free to revert if you think I went to far. Consider to prune details even further, to concentrate on the essential. Ask questions here, I will watch, but irregularily, I am on vacation ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:29, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Do you still need help with this topic? If so, ping me with {{U|Ktr101}}, otherwise I might miss it. Thanks! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:32, 7 March 2014 (UTC)