User talk:Tinucherian/Archives/2008/July

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Re:WP 1.0 Assessment Cats creation

Yes...safer to request a BRFA. It is making about 75 edits per project. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 12:07, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

OK. I will do. but after settling some unfortunate issues with my bot , as you can see below -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 05:37, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

July newsletter

I've started a new draft of the Christianity newsletter at Template:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach/July 2008. Let me know what you think of it. John Carter (talk) 23:18, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes John, The new design also look kewl...Can you please go ahead with creating the newsletter. As I you see below, I am busy settling some unfortunate issues with my bot -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 05:33, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I've seen that elsewhere, too. God knows I'm in no position to criticize you for anything that happened here, having been accused of the same things myself in the past. One thing that might work for the future though would be to have the involved project place a banner on those categories it thinks are directly relevant to the project, and only tag those articles. That's what I more or less found out in my own previous encounters with such matters. John Carter (talk) 13:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
P.S. I've filed a request to deliver the newsletter at Wikipedia:Bot requests. If you have any details as to where the list of people to receive the newsletter was located, it might help a lot. John Carter (talk) 20:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Addshore replied that I can deliver the newsletter. Is the newsletter ready to be delivered ?? -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 14:59, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I think so, unless you have anything else to add. John Carter (talk) 22:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done : Full content Newsletter was delivered to 223 members and Link only content to 5 members by TinucherianBot automatically. -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 10:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:Food and Drink Tagging

Your food & drink bot...

...has gone nuts. It has included dog food and guinea pigs. Perhaps it needs tweaking or at least a review of what it has done. Thanks Bob98133 (talk) 14:39, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your tagging! But you should be a bit careful with subcats because Egging and Salvia miltiorrhiza got through. Guinea pig certainly is a food in South America (as our article does state), so the comment above is inaccurate. Badagnani (talk) 15:49, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I have given the complete cats lists to jermey and the Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink#Bot_Tagging..and started the tagging only after approval from the project ... Please verify at the discussion page. -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 16:11, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, anyway, it seems to be just a handful that slipped through, I think a good record. For subcats like "Eggs," one would think all the articles in it were food-related (and most of them are), but some of them need extra TLC (tender loving care) to watch for non-food articles in some of the cats. Any remaining extraneous banners will be found during the rating process eventually. Badagnani (talk) 18:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Another page that has been inappropriately tagged is Hot dog day, which is a festival and not really under the auspices of WPFOOD. --bdesham  20:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Hot dog day seems relevant to WPFOOD to me. Badagnani (talk) 20:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Please add People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals to the list of false positives. --Allen3 talk 02:44, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think Denatonium should have been tagged. I think it is toxic. Badagnani (talk) 06:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

It came from Category:Flavors. Remove the cat if neccessary -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 06:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Or Alum. How did all these chemicals get tagged? I think you should exercise the bot more gingerly as regards these toxic chemicals, which are not edible. Badagnani (talk) 06:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC) Astringent flavors ?? -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 06:56, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

The thing is, the deeper we go into subcats, the more false positives--so it's best to tag those subcats by hand. "Flavors" is already tenuous, as not all flavors are due to foods (such as a "metallic" taste). Badagnani (talk) 06:57, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Coconut jewelry and Palmwood shouldn't be tagged, as one cannot eat them. I think at this point, subcats should probably be done by hand. Badagnani (talk) 06:59, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

There were over 1500 cats in Category:Foods.. I had collected and given to your project members for carefull inspection and to remove any unwanted cats.With my limited knowledge of the topic, I myself had eliminated lots of wrong cats .. Let me know the wrong cats, I will personally go and untagg them... -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 07:05, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Tagging Citron Articles

You wrongly tagged citron articles with Wiki project food or drink. The only food made of citron is Succade which should be under the project. The plant and its fruit is not a common food as is. Shoteh (talk) 21:55, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Bizzaria and Etrog (ritual) are of coarse not food related articles. Shoteh (talk) 22:01, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Tagging Tea tree oil article

Tea tree oil is NOT a food or drink. It is actually toxic if ingested orally. Can you please change this?

Malfunctioning Bot

Glass production should not have been tagged as food and drink, I have reverted the bot edit. I also have doubts whether Potassium bisulfite should be included in this category but have left it for now. I think this bot has serious issues. There is one thing making the odd mistake but this bot is consistently catagorising articles incorrectly! The bot should be turned off immediately. Jdrewitt (talk) 07:52, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I've blocked the bot, see WT:BRFA#TinucherianBot. MaxSem(Han shot first!) 08:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
MaxSem: Woha, you beat me to it, I got an error when I tried to block the bot since you had blocked it seconds before me.
Tinucherian: You were doing a huge talk page tagging run, based on a list of categories that you seem to only have announced and vetted for less than a day. I think such a list should be announced and discussed for at least 7 days. And you have accordingly gotten lots of complaints of erroneous tagging. You need to learn what "patience" and "doing things carefully" means.
And again you have misunderstood what "consensus" means. Declaring a "consensus" after only some hours and some input from a very small number of users is wrong.
And a minor thing: I think you should change the explanatory message your bot adds to those talk pages: Don't use a link in the section heading, it is disliked by most editors.
--David Göthberg (talk) 08:36, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh come on, Dont block the bot for a bot request given to me... Please see this for the discussion ... I have been asked by the WP:FOOD WikiProject Food and drink members for the tagging of articles for the project . I gave them the entire category tree and I got it 'cleaned' by them (See this. I have also tried my level best to remove any unwanted categories. What should I do further ??? -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 08:52, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Glass production was tagged because it was wrongly categorized under Category:Wine packaging and storage and Potassium bisulfite was categorized under Category:Food additives . This is no fault of the bot... I request you to kindly unblock the bot -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 09:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
I concur, there are many mis-categorized articles that are not our fault. We have set up a system to work on those articles that are mis-tagged. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 09:18, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Tinucherian: Since you pasted the same questions to my talk page, here is my response: Just like the last time you were blocked we told you what to do and you don't seem to understand it. Do you even read what we write? Or are you just very impatient? Reread my previous comment above carefully, then reread it again and again until you understand it.
You need to wait 6 more days to give people time to check and discuss your list. That would make it 7 days since you announced it. Thus I think your bot should remain blocked for at least 6 days.
And I see that you again have received complaints from other WikiProjects. So you really should talk to the other WikiProjects involved.
And then I suggest you start running your bot slowly just doing some edits per category on that list (I hope your bot supports that). So people can tell you what categories are wrong before you have ran whole categories erroneously.
And you need to read and understand the rest of the things I say in my previous comment above.
As a bot owner you can't claim ignorance like regular editors can. We hold bot owners to a higher standard. You are supposed to be smarter, more knowledgeable and more patient than most other editors. If you aren't then you shouldn't be handling bots.
--David Göthberg (talk) 09:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Please understand that I was ONLY catering to a Bot request given a project members and done in good faith. This was initially asked at the BOT request page and the moved to a subpage of the bot to not to clutter the bot request page.Please see this for the discussion. I wasnt been impatient here -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 09:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
The request 1,2,3 in User:TinucherianBot/Autotagg/WPFOOD was taken from the BOT requests pages only -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 09:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Why penalize the bot bcoz somebody have wrongly categorized a few pages...? I am not being impatient here , but with all respect, I should you are being over reactive saying that I am going to keep you blocked for another 6days ...Please read my comments also and try to understand what I am also trying to say... -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 10:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I am the one who requested the him to run the bot for WPFood. We looked through the categories and whittled down the number of cats in an attempt to avoid these problems. I set up a resolution section on the page to deal with any problems, and posted the notes on his page pointing them towards the WPFood talk page. I expected problems from improperly categorized articles, hence the stuff to centralize any issues. Please unblock his bot, as it is more my fault for failing to dig deeper into the categories than I did. Please do not shoot the messenger.
--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 10:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Please put your messages in time order. And the messenger saying does not fit here. This is much more than just delivering a message. If someone asks you to build a house you check that the person is the rightful owner of the land, that the house design is according to the regulations, that the appropriate permits have been fixed and so on.
If you decide to take on a job here at Wikipedia, be it running a bot request or changing the code of a template or handling an {{editprotected}} request or whatever, then it is your responsibility to check things before, during and after you do the job. You can not claim "it was a request" and "done in good faith". If you fail do to the proper checks then it is your fault.
Announcing a huge list of categories (to be used for your tagging run) for some hours and discussing it with about 2 other editors before you do the run is not consensus and far from enough checks and enough time to give others the chance to check it.
Wrongfully tagging talk pages does do harm. Have you noticed that each time you do your bot runs lots of editors get busy reverting your edits and writing messages asking what is going on? You are wasting a lot of valuable editor time. That is harm done.
Your failure to understand these things makes me think you should not be allowed to run a bot at all.
Also, you really should learn to indent your messages properly and please try to keep your discussions together at as few pages as possible. Don't go pasting the same messages all over the place, instead just put a short message pointing people to one talk page.
--David Göthberg (talk) 10:39, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Although you were asked by a project to tag talk pages it is still your responsibility as a bot operator to ensure that the bot does only what it is meant to do and that it does not cause harm. Claiming you were asked to do the task by another user is no defence. I see how big this task is and due to the ammount that so many articles are going to be taged it is vitally important that lists are fully checked and double checked. So untill you are 100% certain that there are going to be very few (preferably zero) my oppinon is that the bot should remain blocked. This is just my 2 cents worth.
Cheers Printer222 (talk) 11:24, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

David, you are not trying to understand or read what we are trying to say...As an admin yourself,I personally feel not to prejudiced and a bit bullish here.. I have been asked by a few experienced editors from a wikiproject to tagg article to that comes in its scope. 99% of the issues is mostly due to miscategorization only...I seriously feel you have worked less with wikiprojects and strongly recommend reading Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide. Btw I responded at WT:BRFA#TinucherianBot , because Jdrewitt and made a comment there also and it is my responsibility to reply there also. My sincere request is to try not to see only wrong reasons in everything others do . The bot is a WP:AWB based bot and can be stopped at any time. So what should I do to get the bot unblocked -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 11:26, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Since the talk has moved here, I think I should comment. You keep asserting that you (or your bot) acted on somebody elses say so. This isn't really a very responsible attitude and you should take responsibility for your own actions/edits. Nevermind the fact that the idea of categorising every article that might have a vague link to FOOD is a fundamentally flawed idea. It is obvious you are proud of your bot and your work, yet you are happy to allow it to make disrupted edits across wikipedia. There are numerous complaints over the bots activity on this talk page alone. I think that your attitude seems to be if your bot makes mistakes then it is the responsibility of other users to flag these while allowing the bot to continue on its merryway. This does not seem right to me and is not the policy of any other bots (sure they might make mistakes but responsible users will disable their bot and iron out the problems before continuation). I think you ought to listen to David Göthberg et al. and work to fix the problems rather than claiming victimisation. Jdrewitt (talk) 11:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
I am "_NOT_" claiming irresponsbility on what my bot does. You have no idea how much pain I took to carry out the request to add tag for WP:FOOD which is evident on this page. When Jeremy approached me with a blind categorization of Category:Foods , I made a category list and supplied to him and ALL The project members of WP:FOOD. I went ahead when I got it 'cleaned' from them..If you see the history of User:TinucherianBot/Autotagg/WPFOOD/Category:Foods, you can see how many times I revised the list myself . Inspite of all these hardwork,see what I have got ? -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 11:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Nobody is denying that you have done a lot of hard work and I commend you on that. However, I just personally don't see that it should be left for other users to flag mistakes made by a bot. Articles that are incorrectly categorised are a problem, however there are probably many of these around. A way that I can think of to get around this problem, although I would have no idea how to implement it, is to create a script that not only selects articles in a particulat category but filters the article page itself to find instances of particular words, e.g. Food, Drink and other associated words, and only when a lower limit has been reached should it be re-catogorised. Jdrewitt (talk) 12:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, I have already explained what you need to do. But let me try to explain one of the things in a more general way that might help you understand parts of my comments above:
Time is a tool. You can use time to your advantage. But I don't mean to do things faster as in sooner, but to do them easier and/or better. For instance, type up an example (in your case a list of categories you want your bot to run from and a good description what it is about), then announce that example in several places, then wait several days. That is, waiting is a time tool! This gives other people time to check your list and correct it. It also gives them time to discuss your suggested action. That might provide valuable input for you. Also, while you wait your subconsciousness often will do work. This means that when you look at the problem again your brain might have come up with a better solution or some improvements. Even without you spending any conscious time on it! And you might even spend some conscious time on it every now and then when you have nothing better to do. (My day job is in research, and I have solved some of my research problems while in the shower!)
Note that waiting time is not lost time. While you "wait" you can do other work. And when you come back to the problem you might be able to solve it in less time (as in less work hours), and/or solve it better.
--David Göthberg (talk) 13:11, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks David for your advice , I guess I was too enthustatic to serve Wikipedia ... :) -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 13:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Jdrewitt: There actually is a bot that does such keyword filtering: AlexNewArtBot. It does filtering for about 200 WikiProjects now. However it only searches for new articles, but already that is very valuable. We use its services for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Cryptography. It gets perhaps 20% false hits for the crypto search terms we use for it, but we manually check the list it produces every now and then and take care of the new articles that fit in our WikiProject. I just checked, the Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink has not yet added a filter to that bot.
--David Göthberg (talk) 13:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Tinucherian, please check Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink#Poorly_thought_out_tagging. I think you should revert the whole bot run immediately before it is too late for an easy revert. It would have been your responsibility to check the bot requests and that you have not noticed the obvious flaws of that request disqualifies you as a bot operator in my opinion (see Wikipedia_talk:Bots/Requests_for_approval#TinucherianBot). This mess has already cost me about an hour without a single fix yet! Cacycle (talk) 17:15, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

  • Hello, I would like to make a comment. I am the original WPFOOD member who had asked TinuCherian to do bot runs. I have had experience with too-ambitious bot runs that always cause bad feelings because they tag some articles incorrectly if not scrupulously checked beforehand, so I manually checked all the cats I asked him to tag, then gave him a few cats at a time. TinuCherian has always done an excellent job and is one of the most prompt and personable Wikipedians I've ever met. However, when Jerem43 saw what I was doing and told TinuCherian to just tag all food-related articles, I knew what might happen, from my previous experience with huge bot runs. Even though Jerem43 thought he had selected the cats very carefully, what usually happens did happen. My first experience with requesting a bot was when I asked at Bot Requests for all subcats of "Category: Thailand" to be tagged with WPTHAI. I was quickly informed that under "Military History of Thailand" was the article "World War II," and if that got tagged with WPTHAI, people would be mad, as that kind of thing has happened in the past. So I was recommended to look through all the article titles in each cat and subcat I wanted to have tagged by the bot, and submit them, a few at a time. I think that's a good way to go, although it's slower, as it avoids mistagging and the accompanying bad feelings. So, I propose that future large-scale tagging be checked beforehand (which Jerem43 should have done), scanning the titles of each article in each cat and subcat *before* presenting them to the bot operator to tag. In this case, we have identified most of the mistagged articles (maybe just about 10% of the articles tagged), and we're removing the banners from those, so I think we're doing okay. Thanks to everyone, and let's be more scrupulous in the future. Badagnani (talk) 17:58, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - I strongly oppose the idea, presented above, of undoing the bot run; this would be a needless drain on bandwidth seeing that we have identified the mistagged articles and are in the process of removing the banners from the talk pages of those articles. Badagnani (talk) 18:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. Jdrewitt (talk) 19:45, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

If someone could help me here, it would be greatly appreciated. I would like to employ one of those new article bots with the WP Food project to avoid repeating these mistakes and keep from getting backed up again. Also, FlagSteward mentioned that his bot can tag those articles which are stubs and starts, is thathe only bot that can do that or are there others?

I will work with whomever wishes to help me to fit back into my britches and start working on getting the real food articles sorted. With the help of an experience bot handler, I should be able to avoid repeating my mistake.

I apologize for the trouble I caused for all parties. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 06:58, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

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Comments and Appeal to All fellow Wikipedians by the bot Operator
Before everyone slaps me for being a 'reckless and brainless' bot operator, Allow me a chance to explain what had happened. I request everyone to patiently read this completely before jumping all around to shoot me. TinucherianBot is a AWB and Kingbotk Plugin based Bot, which can tag for WikiProjects based on 2 options - Making list from a Category or from categories recursively. While applying for the BRFA itself, I make a comment as follows "To be safe it will not run for categories recursively. The requester has to provide the end node category(s) for the article list collection."...Altough there are many other AWB based bots, I dont think anyone else would have made such a thought full comment while applying for BRFA itself. The reason is pretty simple: You might not expect Category:World War II to be a subcategory of Category:Thailand, but it actually is, and a bot will find it! It is usually safer to give a complete list of categories that should be worked through individually, rather than one category to be analysed recursively. I am not sure whether every bot operator takes each bot task as seriously as I do ( See User:TinucherianBot#Current_Tasks. I even maintain a page to record everything for each bot task I do , See example of WP:THAI Tagging for User:TinucherianBot/Autotagg/Thai on request of Badagnani.

Project banner Tagging and Assessing articles are an important part of the workload of most, if not all WikiProjects.However it is tedious to keep track of newer articles that come under the scope of the the project regularly and add the project banner manually. Hence bots are employed to tag articles based on categories ( You may see this is one of most common bot requests). The idea of Wikiproject tagging is identify and give the articles to the Wikipedia article editors whih a common interest and expertise. Nothing happens more than attention and contributions of more subject experts by additional tagging by a project, which is primarily needed for the growth of Wikipedia. If you are more concerned of cluttering of talk page , we have options of {{WikiProjectBannerShell}} which takes up very less space. It is also sad to see Some Wikiprojects members trying to 'own' articles by preventing tagging by another project , which is against one of our fundamental rules of WP:OWN. Wikiprojects like WP:FOOD have very strong assessment task force members who could remove unnecessary banner tags during manual assessment.

Now let me 'briefly' explain the WP:FOOD Tagging Issue. I am "_NOT_" claiming irresponsibility on what my bot does or did. You have no idea how much pain I took to carry out the request to add tag for WP:FOOD articles.It started when Badagnani , a very senior and respected Wikipedian, made a Bot request for WP:FOOD. See Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Category:Desserts_by_country . He had also said "A few of the above subcats have subcats of their own, and if the talk pages of the articles in those could be tagged as well, it would be great..." I could have used the Category(Recursive) option of AutoWikiBrowse(AWB) on Category:Desserts_by_country and just sat back. But I painfully collected all sub relavent categories in it and run only on them. You can see this activity on the above link. I did the same for Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Category:Desserts_and_Category:Salads and Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Food_tagging_request requests by him. When I in doubt , I always get back to clarify the requester as in Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Food_tagging_request . You can see me asking him "Should I include resturant subcategories like this Category:Hamburger restaurants ?? -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 04:43, 2 July 2008 (UTC)" and "Sorry to ask again... I am a bit confused here... Does restaurant chains falls under WP:FOOD and need to be tagged with {{WPFOOD}} ? -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 05:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)" . I had then made a seperate subpage for me to archive this request User:TinucherianBot/Autotagg/WPFOOD.

It was then , I was approached by Jeremy (Jerem43) , a prominent member and assessment task force senior member of WP:FOOD with this request . Having successfully and satisfactorily completed this request also, He came up with a newthis request which was a bit aggressive.

""I have decided to get everything in one fell swoop, so this request is rather large.
Could you hit these next:
  • Category:Beverages
  • Category:WikiProject Herbs and Spices
  • Category:Foods
Again, tag everything in these main categories as well as all sub-categories except Category:Fictional foods. Thank you again, --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 16:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)""

I _DID_NOT_ blindly go ahead with using the Category(Recursive) option on Category:Foods on AWB . I told him this :

Important note  : This is a huge effort that involves around 1500 categories and approx 24,000 unique articles. There might be wrong or misplaced cats in the subcat tree. I have collected all the subcats in Category:Foods and made this list . I want the members to carefully verify the entire list and remove ALL unwanted cats and give me a final go ahead. Then TinucherianBot will start tagging the articles in the approved categories...It is a pleasure working for this project -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 06:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

As you see , I then made this list : User:TinucherianBot/Autotagg/WPFOOD/Category:Foods myself and revised it several times myself eliminating the possibly wrongly tagged ones (with my limited knowledge of the subject matter) , which is evident from the page history . I handed over this list to the ALL the WP:FOOD members at their talk page here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink#Bot_Tagging

Important note  : Jeremy had asked to tagg articles in Category:Foods and its subcategories... This is a huge effort that involves around 1500 categories and approx 24,000 unique articles. There might be wrong or misplaced cats in the subcat tree. I have collected all the subcats in Category:Foods and made this list . I want the members to carefully verify the entire list and remove ALL unwanted cats and give me a final go ahead. Then TinucherianBot will start tagging the articles in the approved categories...It is a pleasure working for this project -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 06:06, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I cleaned up the list and reduced it to 1256 categories... Please have a look -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 06:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I created a quick list at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink/Exclude, about 122 categories in all. Any one else please take a look! --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 07:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you... I did further cleanup and made the final list. The bot is preparing the article list now -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 09:36, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

As you see, everything was done me with maximum caution and attention and in good faith in the best interests of Wikipedia. I even took the extra step of leaving a summary on each and every talk page as to what we are doing so that we can get feedback that will let us know what step we will need to alter the way we go about this to ensure this is done right.

Kindly be aware and understand that I didn't run the Bot blindly and recursively on the Category:Food , but created a list of categories from main list, removed the possible wrong categories from them ( with my limited knowledge on the subject matter ) ,gave the list to the project members and got it further cleaned . It was then I created the article list by manually supplying only the 'approved' categories....and finally running the bot over the talk page of the articles ...

Much of the errors was due to mis categorization like Potassium_bisulfite included in Category:Food additives which anyone would think as a category that falls under WP:FOOD. Having said this , we are not rejecting the fact that we should have paid much further attention and caution while selecting the categories. Whether you all ask us or not, as responsible Wikipedians we will go around and cleanup up the 'mess' we have done. What should be understood by fellow wikipedians is that we are also responsible wikipedians with a good history of contributions. We are not vandals or disruptive editors

I am also a wikipedian who is credible and with integrity , hardworking for Wikipedia for the betterment of all , like all other people like you..."To Err is human and to forgive is divine" . I do apologize for all the incovineance and request you to help me continue with my bot. I work for and is coordinators for some of bigger Wikiprojects like WP:Christianity , WP:INDIA etc where the services of my bot is very essential. Hence blocking my bot indefinitely is also unfair.I promise to handle and 'tame' my bot more diligently and carefully in future.I appeal to all the admins and fellow Wikipedians to understand my good intentions and also unblock the bot TinucherianBot -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 08:16, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

  • Comment - I concur with this summary and believe an unblock is certainly warranted, for one of our best and most faithful Wikipedians, keeping in mind the following: when I first asked for a bot request, the brakes were put on my very wide-ranging request, and after listening to what I was told by several experienced bot operators, I moderated my request, carefully checking and asking for just a few cats at a time. In the future, could we agree to do this when we get such overly large requests from editors who don't know about things like the WWII / WPTHAI example given above, and the fact that these things *will* happen unless we do proceed with utmost care? Badagnani (talk) 08:36, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

New Userbox for user with rollback rights

I have made a new user box for users with rollback rights:

What to type: {{User rollback}}


Wikipedia Rollbacker.svg This user has rollback rights on the English Wikipedia. (verify)

Tyw7, formerly Troop350 (Talk) 12:48, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

regarding adoption

hello sir,

hope you are in pink of health.

there is an adoption offer from your side which i would like to accept. i'll feel priviledged to grow up in your guidance.

thank you.


--Sanjeet guddu (talk) 13:30, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Beer tagging

Sir, generally articles tagged by a child project should not be tagged also by its parent, since to do so would be redundant. For example, Trappist beer is tagged by WP:BEER, and therefore should not be tagged again by WP:FOOD. I cite as an example any of the articles listed as part of the WP:MCB scope, such as cell nucleus. It is tagged by MCB, but not by the Biology project or by the Science project, because to do so would be redundant and would result in three bloated projects where one specialize one would suffice, with the result that less, not more, gets done by the projects higher up on the chain. Please reconsider this inappropriate tagging. – ClockworkSoul 16:33, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I concur with this, except for articles such as beer batter, which are foods made from beer. Badagnani (talk) 20:25, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

automatically generated typo

On the Nonenal talk page I noticed that the bot said it had been instructed to "tagg" certain articles. Presumably "tagg" resulted from removing the "-ing" suffix from "tagging", but the double g there is itself a product of the addition of the suffix, hence the unsuffixed form of the verb is "tag", just like the related noun. I suppose this bot has been leaving this typo all over the place, but I don't know exactly how to track them all down. --Haruo (talk) 03:11, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Happy Independence Day!

As you are a nice Wikipedian, I just wanted to wish you a happy Independence Day! And if you are not an American, then have a happy day and a wonderful weekend anyway!  :) Your friend and colleague, --Happy Independence Day! Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 04:15, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the wishes. Altough I am not an American.., I share the happiness of independence of all countries to live as 'free as in freedom' !! Have a good day ! -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 11:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome and you have a good day as well! --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 18:57, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


He's trying to prove a point. Maybe he thinks you've been too defiant, and wants you to assure him that you'll be very careful and circumspect about future bot runs. After you do that, you'll be fine, because you know you have a lot of support, as one of the really "good ones" at Wikipedia. Badagnani (talk) 12:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXVIII (June 2008)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter
Issue XXVIII (June 2008)
Project news
  • With the holiday season upon us, we're very short of reviewers at A-Class Reviews and are likely to remain so for the next month or so. If just five new reviewers each reviewed one article a week, the problem would be solved! To keep track of Milhist articles for peer and A-Class reviews, simply paste the code – {{WPMILHIST Review alerts}} – onto your talk page.
  • Similarly, copy-editors are currently in short supply. If you can help out at the Copy-editing section of the Logistics Dept, it would be much appreciated. If you can help with A-Class Reviews and Featured Article Candidates so much the better! To keep up to date with Milhist articles needing copy input, just paste – {{WPMILHIST Copy-editing alerts}} onto your talk page.
  • The debate on whether Milhist should adopt the new C-Class has been closed, with a strong and clear consensus against adopting. The archived discussion is here.
Articles of note

New featured articles:

  1. Battle of Lissa (1811)
  2. Battle of Verrières Ridge
  3. Benjamin Franklin Tilley
  4. Brian Horrocks
  5. Lince (tank)
  6. Montana class battleship
  7. Saint-Sylvestre coup d’état
  8. Verdeja (tank)
  9. Viet Nam Quoc Dan Dang

New featured lists:

  1. List of Crimean War Victoria Cross recipients‎
  2. List of German World War II jet aces (promoted in May)

New A-Class articles:

  1. Battle of Mount Austen, the Galloping Horse, and the Sea Horse
  2. Battle of Strasbourg
  3. Operation Brevity
  4. Operation Tractable
  5. Operation Varsity
  6. Roman-Persian Wars
  7. SS Kroonland
Current proposals and discussions
  • The Milhist review structure is itself being reviewed. The idea is to see how it can be improved, or whether it needs changing or updating.
  • The month-long trial of partner peer reviews with Video games is being discussed. All feedback welcome!
Awards and honors

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Biography Thanks


For your role in Biography WikiProject's Spring 2008 drive, Thanks.--Bedford Pray 08:06, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


[1]. Since when has diarrhoea become respectable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:49, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I dont care who you are or what is your disagreement with Bhadani ... But I know Bhadani is a very respected and senior Wikipedian. If you have concerns on his actions, you may post it at WP:ANI. AFAIK, He is a very respectable person and fully deserves the Award -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 06:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for - The Original Barnstar

I am glad to know that my work is being appreciated here. Thanks a lot for the encouragement. --gppande «talk» 10:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

You deserve it. Keep up the good work... Also if possible , do work on next issue too :) -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 10:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, although I didn't really do much....Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnie! It came from nowhere! :) How's it going? I'm glad that despite a few setbacks with your buddy-boy, you've maintained tremendous poise. Once you are in, he and you are bound to do wonders! Cheers! Mspraveen (talk) 15:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Can I take help of your Bot??

Can your bot post this message to all the projct member of Maharashtra potral/Maharashtra Project?I have created a Barnister for Maharashtra potral it can be found over here[ link title] <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Suyogaerospace|Suyogaerospace]] ([[User talk:Suyogaerospace|talk]] • Suyogaerospacetalk to me! 11:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

My bot is 'blocked' for some reasons. Since the number of project members of Maharashtra Project is very few, I suggest you may go and copy & paste to the member talk pages yourself manually . Or you may place a request at WP:BOTREQ . But it is likely that you may get the same answer as the task is too less for a bot. Thanks -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 11:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Message from Suyogaerospace

I have created a Barnister for Maharashtra potral it can be found over here

This message was sent by User:Printer222 as per request of Suyogaerospace (talk) using AWB. You recicved this message as you are a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Maharashtra. Cheers Printer222 (talk) 09:03, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

thanks for for forwarding my request to print 222

thanks for for forwarding my request to print 222 thank you sir did you bot started working? Suyogaerospacetalk to me! 10:49, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I didnt really fwd it.. He was kind enough to offer himself seeing your posting on my page... Yes... My bot is back online now.. -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 10:54, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  • It will be better if you reply on my page (I have created robots in real life) Suyogaerospacetalk to me! 11:14, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

A discussion

An important discussion on Should WikiProjects get prior approval of other WikiProjects (Descendant or Related or any ) to tag articles that overlaps their scope ? is open here . We welcome you to participate and give your valuable opinions. You are receiving this note as you are a member of WikiProject Council -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 12:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


I dont get what oyu mean by this.Electrical Experiment (talk) 12:49, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

See this : Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Council#Issues_with_WikiProject_Banner_Tagging -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 12:50, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
So you against permission from other wikiprojects you put your name under oppose?Electrical Experiment (talk) 12:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Primarly yes... I work for different projects but I am for Any wikiprojects free to tagg articles that is in its scope. -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 12:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
THANKYOUElectrical Experiment (talk) 12:57, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
OK. -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 07:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


Certainly not a problem, I appreciate the help that you are giving to the project, it just sucks that these issues arose but that seems the nature of things here sometimes.--Chef Tanner (talk) 16:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you... I hope everyone takes these efforts in right spirits -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 07:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


It's all good. I don't do edit wars. :) – ClockworkSoul 17:55, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

If I may be so bold, however, I think you've seriously misinterpreted my motivation. I've read over all your comments, and it's pretty plain that you think I'm misbehaving and throwing petty tantrums. I assure you, the main issue here is absolutely not whether multiple projects can tag the same article. – ClockworkSoul 18:03, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure your discussion is very productive. It looks like it may have aggravated a situation that was approaching resolution. I'll admit to being very frustrated to what I feel is a misrepresentation/misinterpretation of my words and actions, and that I'm a little hurt that people seem to believe that I would be so petty as to claim ownership of articles for myself or for projects. We just don't want to be absorbed by FOOD is all. That's it. Really. – ClockworkSoul 18:50, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Replied at your talk page -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 07:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:HAU, Status, and you!

As you may know, the StatusBot responsible for maintaining the status of the Highly Active Users was taken offline. We now have a replacement in the Qui status system. This semi-automatic system will allow you to easily update your status page found at Special:Mypage/Status which the HAU page code is now designed to read from. If you are already using Qui (or a compatible system) - great! - no action is needed (other than remembering to update your status as necessary). If not, consider installing Qui. You can also manually update this status by changing the page text to online, offline, or busy. While it is not mandatory, the nature of HAU is that people are often seeking a quick answer from someone who is online and keeping our statuses up-to-date will assist with this. Note if you were previously using your /Status page as something other than a one-word status indicator, your HAU entry may have been set to "status=n" to correct display issues. Please clear this parameter if you change things to be "HAU compatible". Further questions can be raised at WT:HAU. This message was delivered by xenobot 23:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done : -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 07:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

A discussion

A discussion on Should WikiProjects get prior approval of other WikiProjects (Descendant or Related or any ) to tag articles that overlaps their scope ? is open here . We welcome you to participate and give your valuable opinions. You are receiving this note as you are a member of WikiProject Council -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 12:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the notice. I've commented there. - jc37 05:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


As you use this template I would just like to tell you that its default page is now (for example) User:Addshore/Status but it would be your subpage. This is due to the fact that the status bots have been shutdown and new means of updating your status take you to this subpage. I will not check back here for replays. If you would like to comment about this or want to ask a question please do so on my talk page. ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 06:58, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Christianity WikiProject Newsletter - July 2008

This Newsletter was automatically delivered by TinucherianBot (talk) 08:56, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


Hey, thanks for cleaning up my user page. Looks like your good deed was rewarded with some heavy trolling from that IP, but hey, now he's blocked... --JaGa (talk) 10:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.. :) -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 10:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Nothing is impossible

Hello Sir can we creat a bot which will automatically tag & asset the articles? I am feedup with reading all this articles.My eyes are on verge of brusting!!! I am totelly stressed in personal life also. I cant take wikibreak because I have just returned from a two month enforced wikibreak. I condition is like that of a never ending go to loop [:p] I cant stay without wikipedia and on wikipedia I am feed up of tagging. Help me to stop this loop. By the way congraluations your page was vandelise now you are eligeble for a barnstar. I am sending you this message to just increase my edits lololl ;p just kidding Suyogaerospacetalk to me! 10:40, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Now I am serious

How sir This time I am dam serious I have a vista home premium I have updated my IE 7 to IE 8.1 Beta. 8.1 is very bad it hangs now and then and is very jurkey I have fire fox 3 but i have never used it before. I cant restore my system because I have installed some softwares after installation of IE 8 tell me from where I can get setup file of IE 7 vista?--Suyogaerospacetalk to me! 10:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

pHp error

I cant edit my sand box using firefox 3 it shows .php file what to do open with or save file as what error is this? by the way after few moments see your user page there will be a barnstar. I have read your userpage my motto was also to vandalise pak articles but didnt had guts :p by the way my above two messages were just to bring fun in our bhoth's boring editing (Atlest mine is boring due to bad browsers) my above two messages were a very pathatic attempts to win two barnstars one for spreading fun and other for a brilent idea by creating a bot. Please find solution to my browser problem and check your user pageSuyogaerospacetalk to me! 11:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

cant edit your user page

Suyogaerospacetalk to me! 11:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

PhP error rectified

Hello I got the culprit who did PhP error It's Me in my "my preferences" under editing tab this options were marked so it was showing download php file I am shame on engineering. LOL Good morning

  1. Use external editor by default (for experts only, needs special settings on your computer)
  2. Use external diff by default (for experts only, needs special settings on your computer)

Suyogaerospacetalk to me! 03:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Thtz gr8. So you didnt need my help at all... Soory, I was very busy with something else...Have fun..-- TinuCherian (Chat?) - 08:51, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:INDIA Tagging with TinucherianBot

I have completed the work requested by on the page [2] . Please proceed with your work. I have started portal:Andhra Pradesh. Your suggestions may be helpfull. Vijay Sai (talk) 11:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks . I was watching your edits on the page. Keep up your good work. I will start the bot run soon . -- TinuCherian (Chat?) - 11:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject recruitment

Hi Tinucherian,

I am sorry to say that this WikiProject has not been started yet and hasn't had any activity for nearly a year. It is an empty shell at the moment, like so many pages on the internet. There might be a restart of another WikiProject of mine, with the aim to read and discuss books and other sources before editing an article. What i am trying to do is to improve the quality of the texts on Wikipedia and to get more people involved. If you like to do something with the recruitment project, than i am interested in it.Daanschr (talk) 19:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Private message

I have responded to your message. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 22:38, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Indian Collaboration of the Week

Air India has been Indian Collaboration of the Week for the week of 25 May 2008. So, I think its time for a new Indian Collaboration of the Week. It has at present 4 candidates, with Foreign relations of India and Jammu and Kashmir with maximum votes of 2!

I personally think Foreign relations of India should be this weeks Indian Collaboration of the Week.

I have a question-who can change/add Indian Collaboration of the Week banner on a particular article's talk pages? Vijay Sai (talk) 09:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

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Thank you so much for the barnstar (and your support)! :) I almost can't believe it...we just started and we're coming to the end in 5 more days...! Ncmvocalist (talk) 10:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

You deserve this for your hard work... Btw I suggest you may extend it over to end of July. I see people are gaining pace and new people are still joining... With the current enthusiasm , I feel we can complete the targets if extended till end of July. -- TinuCherian (Chat?) - 10:49, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I agree, and it has indeed been gaining some pace recently. I've extended it to 28 July. A 1-week workshop will follow (to finish by the first week of August), but I'll give a little more info about it closer to the time. Cheers again :) Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Gr8 ! I had seen your notice :) -- TinuCherian (Chat?) - 14:57, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Misza Bot III

I have some problem with Misza Bot III archieving my talk page. It doesn't work. Please help!
Tyw7, formerly Troop350 (TalkContributions) 08:37, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I have made some changes on your page. Let us wait for the bot to archive this to User talk:Tyw7/Archive 1 . Btw thanks for udpating my rollback userpage -- TinuCherian (Chat?) - 08:47, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Let us wait for the bot to run in another 24 hours -- TinuCherian (Chat?) - 08:49, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Still doesn't work. -- Tyw7, formerly Troop350 (TalkContributions) 08:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Found out the problem after contacting Misza13. -- Tyw7, formerly Troop350 (TalkContributions) 17:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

My RFA Thanks

Thank you for your support at my RFA, which has closed as a success. But I don't need to tell you that; I've seen your message on my talk page already! Sorry about the delay in thanking you for your support, but there are quite a lot of people to thank, and I didn't want to use a templated thanks. Guess I should be glad I didn't make it into the WP:100 club ;-). Seriously, your support means a lot, and I look forward to working with you in the future. StephenBuxton (talk) 16:36, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Gr8 !It was really sweet of you for your personalized message. Really Appreciated ! -- TinuCherian (Chat?) - 17:06, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for finding those redirects, helps me a lot :) Take care ~ Ameliorate U T C @ 07:29, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

np :) -- TinuCherian (Chat?) - 07:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


Hey i am already there In the project today started--
[+]►▌●√Ω ЯЯΛUNΛΣ● ▌ 10:34, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I guess you forgot to add yourself here : Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Members -- TinuCherian (Chat?) - 10:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


User:RRaunak has a lenghty thread on WP:ANI and i proposed some ideas. Maybe you should read them. --ɔɹǝɐɯʎ!Talk 13:05, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Ya...I know... I am trying my best to 'calm' and help him now -- TinuCherian (Chat?) - 13:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Just for my reference Special:Contributions/RRaunak -- TinuCherian (Chat?) - 14:44, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


Yes yes, I promised Mspraveen that we will start this week. Give me time till tomorrow - I will come up with the skeleton and we will start adding some meat on it. BTW, is the newsletter bot released from prison? --gppande «talk» 15:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Ya...The bot is now unblocked.. :) ... Have fun with the making of the newsletter -- TinuCherian (Chat?) - 15:31, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
First cut is ready here. Lets have centralized discussion between you, me and Mspraveen on the talkpage this time. Feel free to add/remove stuff to the newsletter and leave message on talkpage. --gppande «talk» 13:39, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

help with categories

I've seen you around on the India Pages, I needed some help on categories. I started to tag all Indian media related pages with the cat:Indian media. However, the Indiam media listing page has bloated to 300 entries. so obviosuly there is something wrong in this approach. what is the correct approach on this? cheers.

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Hello, Tinucherian. You have new messages at ChiragPatnaik's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

17:57, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Revert

It appeared to be vandalism. In fact, i still believe it is. Please provide a source on how someone can be a Most Rev., and A Rev. and a Dr. Then again, i'm not very educated on titles but i dont believe someone should be called a Most Reverend Doctor? Regardless, i appologise if i reverted non vandalism, but its hard to tell sometimes. This was a judgement call. Sorry! Metagraph comment 02:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

OK. I am from WP:Christianity in India and know it the correct edit. Doctor is Doctorate in Christian Theology, usually awarded as honours to Christian bishops in India. In Indian christian denominations like St.Thomas Evangelical Church, Church of South India etc, the presiding bishop is usually addressed as Most Reverend and other senior bishops as Rt. Reverend...It is ok. you have done in good faith. Happy editing -- Tinu Cherian - 02:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm very sorry! Thank you for telling me, i won't make the same mistake again. Thank you! Metagraph comment 02:59, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Itz OK. No probs -- Tinu Cherian - 03:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Thankspam, as requested!

As requested:

718smiley.svg Thank you for the !vote!
Tinucherian/Archives/2008, Thank you for participating in my RFA, which was approved! If you supported, thank you for your trust, consideration and support. If you opposed, I still thank you, and hope that over time I will be able to prove my worth. And finally, if you were neutral, thank you too. At least it wasn't an oppose! Matthewedwards (talk contribs  email) 07:17, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for your note on my talk page!--Finalnight (talk) 14:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

ACC Tool

Hi, Did you create an account on the ACC tool? I just need to check it was you before I aprrove you. --Chris 12:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Darn I wanted to do it :P Mww113 (talk) 12:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes. I only requested thru ACC. Please Approve. Thanks in advance -- TinuCherian (Chat?) - 12:12, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Mww113 (talk) 12:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks to all  :) -- TinuCherian (Chat?) - 12:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Also would you like the account creator right so you can bypass the account creation throttle? --Chris 12:16, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes.Thanks -- TinuCherian (Chat?) - 12:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Also join #wikipedia-en-accounts if you can, so we can get you started. Mww113 (talk) 12:19, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done, done forget to read WP:ACC/G and please subscribe to the mailing list for important updates! --Chris 12:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. I will do the same -- TinuCherian (Chat?) - 12:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Made a subscription request to tha mail alias. Please approve the same -- Tinu Cherian - 10:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


Hi!! Wow! Nice to meet you also! Bangalore? I know, a lot of Kerali students (and workers) are settled in that city. Your malayali wikipedia is in growth, I saw in my italian watchlist a lot of bot edits in malayalam, the latter is this: ml:കോസ്മിക്‌ വര്‍ഷം, just on this morning. :-) Take care, enjoy that big city, as is Bangalore! --Roberto Mura (talk) 15:05, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Ya .. there are lots of Malayalis in Bangalore after the IT boom. I am myself another software engineer here :). I am not active in Malayalam wiki as in English...the main difficulty is writing in ' English Malayalam'. I should get a Malayalam keyboard on my next visit to Kerala. How are you finding the food and climate in Kerala ? Might be tough for you, right ? :) And language ? you might be finding it pretty difficult right ? In cities like Bangalore, it doesnt matter much if you dont know local language , you can survive with english, hindi or a bit of tamil. But in Kerala , it is difficult. :) Take care -- Tinu Cherian - 05:20, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Tough, not for me :-) Our italian summer, in July-August, is hotter and hotter than your one. As written to the Bombayan, I saw this and last monsoon, and I can understand that your rain season is like our italian November. Food is good, in general, a lot spiced (I eat also italian food here); I like in particular your parotta (I don't know how is written in Latin Alphabet :-)) The only thing that no foreigner (and also a lot of Indians) can suffer here in Kerala are your loudspeackers in the festival occasions (in all the World -also here in India- this horrible action is condamned as acustic pollution!!) Bye!! ;-) --Roberto Segnali all'Indiano 16:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the good luck, i'm gonna need it! So far i'm at 18/18/8 :) — CycloneNimrod  Talk? 19:48, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Not very sure whether you may pass this time , but it looks like you are gaining more support.:) ..Congrats... Regardless of whether you pass or may fail this time, I suggest you should continue till it is closed , gathering all the feedback, which will be only beneficial if there is an another attempt. Your signature was a bad idea but I really feel sorry for you as people opposing you because of a bad signature...Personally I feel that it is not a reason at all to deny adminship to you. Anyways Best of luck again. Keep up the good work you are doing. -- Tinu Cherian - 09:56, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

RfA thank you

AnnapolisGraduation.jpg Thank you!
Tinucherian/Archives/2008, it is with deep awareness of the responsibility conferred by your trust that I am honored to report that in part to your support, my request for adminship passed (87/14/6). I deeply value the trust you and the Wikipedia community have in me, and I will embark on a new segment of my Wikipedia career by putting my new tools to work to benefit the entire community. My best to you, Happyme22 (talk) 04:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

And thanks for the kind message! --Happyme22 (talk) 04:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for dropping a note. Best Wishes! -- Tinu Cherian - 04:52, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Category sort

Thanks! No problem. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 12:13, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome :) -- Tinu Cherian - 12:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


Why the welcome?

I've been around for well over a year now!

BG7even 08:45, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah ok ;) BG7even 08:45, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 :) Have fun, buddy ! Dont get into trouble again ! -- Tinu Cherian - 08:46, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I didn't! It wasn't my fault! :O How dare you think such a thing! :P BG7even 08:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
OK OK ! :) Dont worry , I erased my thinking :) ! -- Tinu Cherian - 08:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 ;). No worries. But you just stole my account creation! ;) BG7even 08:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Haha.. No worry .. You can take the next! :) btw hope you remember me since your last RFA ? ! -- Tinu Cherian - 09:17, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeh I do. Hopefully i'll be able to pass next time - i'm attempting to expand out, currently with Account Creation, and next return to DYK work as I have some time available! BG7even 09:27, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
OK... Best of luck... -- Tinu Cherian - 09:29, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Cheers... could you possibly give me an editor review? BG7even 09:35, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I have gone through your review page.. I am not a better editor myself but I will definitely give my suggestions and comments soon -- Tinu Cherian - 09:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks a lot - as i'm sure you can see it has been there a while! BG7even 09:38, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you for welcoming me to Wikiproject India. I wanted you to know that the links in the welcome message are really helpful and that I'll try to do my best for the Wikiproject. I have found one neglected subject that can do with some editing and I hope that I can bring it up to par in due time.

South Block (talk) 11:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome... Happy editing -- Tinu Cherian - 11:07, 17 July 2008 (UTC)



the article System_Architecture_Evolution should be classified as High Importance and would need further development. It is important as it will be the 4th generation mobile network technology. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:38, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Why me ? Anyways plz let WP:TEL or WP:COMP know. -- Tinu Cherian - 14:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I do not know how to write this message in WP:COMP. Can you please help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:57, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok. You may post a similar message at WT:TEL or WT:COMP ( these are talk pages of the WikiProjects) -- Tinu Cherian - 15:01, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for inviting me into the Computing project... However I'd rather not get too involved with new things on Wikipedia in the moment, so sorry! I'll come round randomly to clean up stuff though... cheers and good luck. --Deryck C. 15:46, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

They are persistent

Seen the last edit?? .. they now know they are blacklisted! --Dirk Beetstra T C 17:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Just saw that... Thanks for reverting and blocking the user id -- Tinu Cherian - 04:36, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcome to Project India. Though, I'm consciously not much involved in India related articles, I have contributed to a few, like Etiquette of Indian dining and Osho. Do let me know if any of the project related articles would need cleanup or copy editing, I'll try to help. As such I don't think I possess expertise in any of the topics. Regards. —KetanPanchaltaLK 11:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Are you good in copy editing? Well, I will take your help in future..My english and grammer is still not that good :) -- Tinu Cherian - 11:07, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia's standard of English is very high. Even those Indians whose English might be considered very good by Indian standards, actually turn out somewhat mediocre compared to the native speakers of English. If you have time, you could check out polyclonal B cell response (article created by me, but with many copy-edits by other editors) and Clone (cell biology) (entirely my work), and my user page, where you'll find links to a few poems and a movie-review to get an idea of my English. You can also try User:KC Panchal/Reflections, which I may modify in the near future, as it does not, in its current state, deserve to be on Wikipedia, even in my userspace. The page User:KC Panchal/My contributions list all the pages created by me, so that will give you an idea of how my English, when absolutely unadulterated by others, actually is.
One more thing, I have desk with capacity for three articles that hasn't been populated, yet.
Regards. —KetanPanchaltaLK 12:07, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


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18:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Tinu -

As a matter of fact, I do not have a wealth of knowledge in Syro Malabar Church, to the extent of writing an encyclopedia article. But I see the language used in the wikipedia article is not for an encyclopedia. It certainly calls for a complete re-write even. But I have to find time and information to get into such an action - both of which are scarce resources now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


My scripts are rotten .(monobook.js....{not .css}) Can you pl. fix them up (from prefix) ?
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I am new on wikipedia.but I know some raw data about st.George church,Medak,CIS.(with bp sugandhar )In wikipedia it is another.if u want to create it i will mail u the contents. see i dont want the article to be created myself.(as i will be taken as a vandal...then blocked...)Yes check.svgY ELEMENT ( ¶ ) 16:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

can i copy rraunak's sig.?above its nice...

RfA Thanks

Thanks for your kind remarks both during and after my RfA - much appreciated. Ben MacDui 10:54, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Mysore mallige


I have started posting new articles on wiki. You may see them on my user page. I have just now posted an article on 'Mysore mallige' since I felt that this flower along with Hadagali mallige and Udupi mallige getting GI patent was a major achivement for the Karnataka state. I have done a fair amount of library research and recently I also visited Lalbagh and the Horticultrual department at Bangalore to get some information on the three flowers. I hope you would find the article interesting on Wiki. It would also need an expert editorr like you to wikify it further. Can I post it on DTK?--Nvvchar (talk) 15:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Tag spelling

Hi. Your bot tagged "Talk:Coriander" including the following sentence: - "The bot was instructed to tagg these articles upon consenus from WikiProject Food and drink." Your bot has two misspellings. Also the grammar could be improved. I would suggest "The bot was instructed to tag this article after consensus from WikiProject:Food and drink." Axl (talk) 14:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


Your userpage is amazing. Can you tell me how to do some of the same things on my page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Some Semi-Random Dude (talkcontribs) 00:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Ridiculous POV

Hi I've just been browsing through the Hindustani and Carnatic singers and the POV is absolutely diabolical. Almost every article has little encyclopedic value but rather say what a great singer and success they were and how super fast they were. PLease can you look into it and sort some of them out. It is quite embarrasing to read some of them. Thanks. P.S Fritz has announced he will begin operations tomorrow. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:52, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Tinu Cherian

U were on my talk page. Kindly see if u r goodself can help me improve composition or format of my article on Brhmoism. Notability is in Hindi Newspapers . Pls look out references there. Help me so that my article do not get speedy deletion.Pls do reply on my talk page. Thanks/regards --Dralansun (talk) 09:42, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Bot use

Hi! Does your bot create new assessment category pages? We are looking for one that can to it for Wikiproject Mumbai. Thanks! =Nichalp «Talk»= 10:04, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure... Sure... I guess we need category intersection of quality and importance also ( like other WP:INDIA workgroups ) -- Tinu Cherian - 16:12, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
I've already created the mumbai=yes parameter in {{WP India}}. The categories need to be filled in with text and parent level categories (WP Mumbai comes under Wikiproject Cities and WP Maharashtra.) Is there anything I need to do from my end or the bot will do the category intersection text. =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:27, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done I have created the Mumbai cats. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 16:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks ganesh, I was busy with tagging for WP:VIETNAM -- Tinu Cherian - 16:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

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Dear Tinucherian, if it is at all possible for you to check around with your Malayalam family or friends to get the name in that language for the Hindi chaunk, it would be really great. I'm counting on you. Badagnani (talk) 17:39, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

RfA note

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Time zone Adopter

Its good you suit my time zone.(And is adopting as per adopters table.)Well,you may or may not adopt me but the Blasts {no doubt} in Bangalore has rocked you....right? --Double Helix (♫♫) 14:46, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Life has to go on :) .....Do you want me to adopt you ? -- Tinu Cherian - 15:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes,adopt me and thank you.--Double Helix (♫♫) 15:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the Columbia (supercomputer) and ASCI Blue Mountain

Hello! I've noticed that you have tagged the Columbia and ASCI Blue Mountain as articles that are part of the Early computers task force's interest. My understanding is that this task force maintains articles about computers of a period before the use of integrated circuits. It is for this reason that I am confused about your recent edits regarding these articles. The Columbia is a supercomputer built in 2004 by SGI with Intel Itanium 2 microprocessors. These processors have few hundred million transistors each. I see no reason how the Columbia can be classified as an "early computer" in any way. The same applies to the ASCI Blue Mountain. It is a cluster of SGI Origin 2000s (circa 1996). These systems are built from nodes containing HUB ASICs serving as the chipset, each with over a million gates. The processors used are MIPS R10000s, with approximately 6.7 million transistors each. Perhaps you will consider a reassessment? Thanks. -—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rilak (talkcontribs)

Thanks Rilak , for reverting this edit. Appreciated.. It was a false postive ... -- Tinu Cherian - 06:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)