User talk:Tinucherian/Archives/2008/November

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RfA thanks

Drinking scene on an image stone.jpg Hi Tinucherian, and thanks for supporting my successful request for adminship. It was nice to see all the kind comments I got from my supporters and I hope that I will be more useful to the community now that I have the tools again.--Berig (talk) 15:46, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Newsletter delivery request

Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels

1. What should the title of your Newsletter be in the talk page message?

  • The WikiProject Novels Newsletter - November 2008

2. Please provide a link to your newsletter.

3. Please provide a link to a page that lists the members in the Wikiproject:

Thanks - Boylo (talk) 07:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I will do it today -- Tinu Cherian - 08:25, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Doing... : Sorry for the delay -- Tinu Cherian - 05:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done by TinucherianBot : thanks -- Tinu Cherian - 05:32, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks again, no worries, as i have told them the newsletter is delivered sometime in the first week of month, in case of delays. I will be taking a break from wikipedia, but shall leave a note for whoever takes over as newsletter editor that your bot is always available, and if not that they can use xenobot. Regards Boylo (talk) 05:51, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank You!!!

Thank you very much for the barnstar :-) -RavichandarMy coffee shop 11:52, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


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Wikipedia Weekly Episode 64

Hello! Good news, Wikipedia Weekly Episode 64 has been released. You can listen and comment at the episode's page and, as always, listen to all of the past episodes at WODUPbot 05:23, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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WikiProject Films October 2008 Newsletter

The October 2008 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have suggestions or comments related to the newsletter, please leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you and happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk) 09:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. Since we only have 130 members, doing it myself only takes about 20 minutes. Hope you enjoy it and let me know if you need anything. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 09:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Dear friend, first you need to establish why odishatoday is not WP:RS.-Bharatveer (talk) 10:49, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I request you to NOT to continue POV pushes to wikipedia. Here you have removed a reliable source like ( one of the leading tv channels in India) and added as source which cannot be considered as neutral. You have noticed that I havent even removed the content "illegal beef trade " ( though pov from ur side) but removed the source to and added a request for a Reliable source. I dont see any other articles expect one linking to the your said site ( see Special:LinkSearch/* ) in Wikipedia .The site seems to be Pro BJP and Orissa government ( a coalition government with BJP) . Just like I would STRONGLY object any pro-church sites linking to this article as sources, I am objecting the use of with the same reasons that it may be biased . -- Tinu Cherian - 11:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Bharatveer, also just letting you know that you have already crossed 3RR for Religious violence in Orissa. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution ( I have left the same note on your talk page also ) -- Tinu Cherian - 11:22, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
User tinu, Please stop making senseless allegation. You know very well that I have not committed 3RR. See edit_diff@10:12 (This "revert" (related to sister's alleged rape) was for undoing removal of a "cited" source. See edit_diff@10:47.This revert was for undoing your senseless deletion of a cited source. As these two reverts were for two different sources, I dont understand how I committed 3RR. Please explain .-Bharatveer (talk) 11:35, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
A revert is any action, including administrative actions, that reverses the actions of other editors, in whole or in part. Me, Senseless ? I request you to kindly stop any personal attacks. Let me strongly iterate, A source has to be reliable to be added to Wikipedia. Do you think I will allow a roman catholic church website to be added to this article as source ? No ! It is likely to be biased in this matter. As I had said earlier Here you have removed a reliable source like ( one of the leading tv channels in India) and added as source which cannot be considered as neutral. You have noticed that I havent even removed the content "illegal beef trade " ( though pov from ur side) which you had added but removed the source to and added a request for a Reliable source. let us keep everything factual and neutral please -- Tinu Cherian - 11:48, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Tinu, you are taking a literal "one-sided" view on this. Didn't you notice that "removal of NDTV ref" happened while reverting googlean's blanking of odishatoday ref. I say again that I have reverted only 2 times which will not in any case be 3RR violation. Again i never called you senseless, I asked you not to make any "senseless" allegation, which is the case here. I again ask you to put back 2 odishatoday refs in the article. A news site cannot be terned as not WP:RS just because it does not suit your views. -Bharatveer (talk) 12:03, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I have nothing more to say than this comments by Wiki San Roze. I have always said, I just dont care whether anti-x or pro-x, as long as it is sourced to reliable sources. If you feel I am wrong or biased , you are most welcome to report to ANI or take advice from any neutral admin. Have a gr8 day. -- Tinu Cherian - 13:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Image description

The caption of the image is "Syrian Christian bride". It is taken from page 450 of the book Castes and Tribes of Southern India Volume VI by Edgar Thurston in a chapter on Syrian Christians. In fact, "Syrian Christian bride" is the actual caption for the image in the book-RavichandarMy coffee shop 18:42, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I left a templated note for u so that you may add the missing author parameter on the image page. Please see the image page -- Tinu Cherian - 18:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
The name of the photographer isn't mentioned. Well, Edgar Thurston was the author of the book but I'm sure if he was one who took the photographs. If the author of the book is to be mentioned, then I may very well fill in his name-RavichandarMy coffee shop 18:49, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Admin mop.PNG Thank you for participating in my RfA, which recently passed with 126 in support, 22 in opposition and 6 neutral votes.

Thanks for your strong support!!
If you want to reply to this message please use my talk page as watch listing about 150 pages is a bit messy
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Hey Tinu! Thanks a lot for the barnstar. And sorry for such a delayed response. I have become pathetically inactive in wikipedia :( How are you? Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 23:26, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome. Thanks for your efforts for WP and India related articles. ... I am fine too -- Tinu Cherian - 07:52, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Akkamma Cherian

Updated DYK query On 7 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Akkamma Cherian, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 02:09, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Please Help

Hello, i have been trying to get my page to go live. Could you please update me with its status. I am very confused with what they are still checking?Eastvillage1 (talk) 19:14, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello there, I am not sure how you were redirected to me... but since you have asked me, let me try to help you. Reading your talk page , I understand that you are trying to put ( read as promoting) in Wikipedia. Please understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a promotional website. The contents we have strictly should adhere to mainly 2 aspects 1) Notability 2) Verifiability . but we strongly advocate aganist contributing to Wikipedia in order to promote your own interests or those of other individuals, companies, or groups. ( see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest for more information). Articles should demonstrate the notability of their topics, and articles on topics that do not meet this criterion are generally deleted, it is important to not just consider whether notability is established by the article, but whether it readily could be. The problem is not only without your promotional purpose username ( like the last one) but also what you are trying to do. Frankly, after reading User:Eastvillage/ , I am not sure whether it fits into the scope of WP ( actually doesnt ) and is mostly likely to be deleted again. For notable websites , see as an example. If your company is really "notable" as defined by our Notability Guideline for Companies using reliable sources , then we would like to have a well-sourced, neutral article instead of your own promotional way.Please understand that we have these policies to keep the quality and standard of Wikipedia high. -- Tinu Cherian - 07:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Topaz Adjust


I've been dealing with a page about Topaz Adjust. It's currently written like an instruction manual, author wants advice on how to make it encyclopaedic. Can you or someone else in the Wikiproject software deal with this for me?

Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 12:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for leaving a note on my talk page. I have added a few {{articleissues}} tags which relate to primary issues of the article. Please try to fix them appropriately. I will also help soon. Most importantly, please establish why the article content is notable to be on Wikipedia. Thanks -- Tinu Cherian - 14:25, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

my RFA

Since you already helped fix it, I figure it's not canvassing if I tell you my nom is now live. Cheers!--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 12:51, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


Hello Tinu. I have listed a few articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mumbai/Articles. Could you please tag them using your Bot. More articles later. I just wanna see how it works. Thanks, KensplanetTalkContributions 13:57, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done by TinucherianBot. See Example ..Sorry for the delay. I was terribly busy with many other things -- Tinu Cherian - 13:13, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Let me know if ur list is again updated -- Tinu Cherian - 15:05, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Thankyou very much. I'll update the list soon. Please run your bot next month too. KensplanetTalkContributions 18:00, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Image:Cisco 7600 series.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Cisco 7600 series.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. -- Tinu Cherian - 05:29, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I asked for the deletion of the image. Another image already exists Image:Cisco7600seriesrouter.jpg, of which permission has been received from the copyright holder to license this material under gfdl, and evidence of this has been lodged with the Wikimedia Communications committee, under OTRS ticket number 2007071610016982. -- Tinu Cherian - 05:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


Hi Tinucherian: I'm wondering if I can get you to send out the Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds newsletter. I've been waiting since Oct. 31 for Brownbot to do it, but I think Cbrown must be a bit too busy with the fundraiser these days!

The newsletter is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds/Outreach/Newsletter. The link is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds/Outreach/Newsletter link. The list of participants is at Wikipedia:Wikiproject Birds#Participants, and the delivery requests (full contents, no delivery, etc.) is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds/Outreach#Delivery options.

Thanks! MeegsC | Talk 10:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I will do it today.. will keep you update of the progress -- Tinu Cherian - 11:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds/Outreach#Delivery options contains only a subset of users in Wikipedia:Wikiproject Birds#Participants , what about the rest of the users ? -- Tinu Cherian - 12:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry about that! The remainder should just get the newsletter link. MeegsC | Talk 14:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done by TinucherianBot. I discovered only later that you had given the link with {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} for the link only page on Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds/Outreach/Newsletter link. The issue is always shows the current month, so the note will say Decemeber in next month. -- Tinu Cherian - 09:02, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks so much for your help! MeegsC | Talk 11:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

sock/block message

Hi. I need to discuss this edit with you. There are two problems.

  • The sock puppetry is not proven. That really requires a WP:RFCU or at minimum a WP:SSP discussion.
  • By adding the proven template, you placed a message at the top of the talk page saying that the user had been indefinitely blocked which was not the case. In fact the editor was reported and subsequently being overlooked at WP:AIV because of the notice saying the account had already been blocked.

Please try to be more careful. Toddst1 (talk) 15:34, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Jobxavier (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) is a disruptive , POV pusher and a sock puppet editor and is permanently banned from Wikipedia. See Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Jobxavier and Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Jobxavier. On User: page, Akradecki , an admin added the note as proven sock of User:Jobxavier (See page history of User: ) . With similar disrputive edits on the same page, it is not rocket science to understand User: is a proven sock of User:Jobxavier . Anyways thanks for leaving a note-- Tinu Cherian - 17:02, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Ok, then please add the RFCU to the evidence field of the sock notice and please don't use "proven" in the sock notice because it explicitly states that the user has been indefinitely blocked. You aren't an admin and leaving block notices for folks that aren't blocked is not constructive. Toddst1 (talk) 17:10, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I may be not an admin but this template was added in good faith... but please understand {{sockpuppetProven|Jobxavier}} template meaning is a bit tricky one , which also mean the said account is a proven sock of a banned user . IT_IS_NOT a block notice. By adding {{sockpuppetProven|Jobxavier}} both by me and User:Akradecki, an admin , we meant that the said IP sock is a of a user who is banned indefinitely. User:Jobxavier was banned sock editor with lots of regsitered sock accounts and several disruptive edits from and ranges. Me together with several other editors have be constantly defending aganist the disruptive editor since some time now.User:Akradecki added {{sockpuppetProven|Jobxavier}} to User: page. Today the vandal and Pov pusher resurfaced with User: with the same kind of the editing on the same pages. and I added the {{sockpuppetProven|Jobxavier}} to mean the ip is a proven sock of User:Jobxavier , who is banned from WP. You know that we dont/cannot ban an IP definitely. I apologise if this is an error from my part. I have changed {{sockpuppetProven|Jobxavier}} to {{sockpuppet|Jobxavier}} ? Thanks for blocking the IP . you may ask User:Akradecki in case you need? -- Tinu Cherian - 17:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for blocking (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) and (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) . Would you mind protecting for autoconfirmed users for

The main reason is that fighting him ( excessive vandalism and POV pushing) is taking most of our WP activity these days :( ... -- Tinu Cherian - 05:45, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I see that Tinu cherian's reverting was correct. He was fighting against jobxavier's vandalism in good faith. I know that this problem wont be solved unless temporarily protecting aforesaid pages (those pages) where jobxavier editing by using multiple ip's (the said range of ip's is a proven sock of jobxavier). It seems every day we have to revert his edits, became a routine and pain to us, spoiling other users time & energy fighting against his vandalism. I left a comment at here too. --Googlean Results 05:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Image:Cisco 7600 series.jpg

You could have just tagged this as speedy deletion per G7, since you uploaded it and don't want it anymore. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshellsOtter chirpsHELP) 17:28, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

You are right, I wanted a "uploader requested speedy deletion", but selected the wrong option from Twinkle which selected the Image for deletion. Thanks a lot for the heads up and the note -- Tinu Cherian - 18:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hindu Taliban

Hi, as I expected, the article is target of the Hindutva cabal. Could you please complete the AfD nomination? I am not well-versed in doing it. Thanks. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 09:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the leaving a note. I guess the afd nom was completed by Punkmorten. I am not Anti-Hinduta cabal or pro-christian cabal. I look forward for things that are reliable and verifiable on wikipedia regardless of the religion or country. To be frank, I am a bit skeptic of the relavance or verifibility of the article Hindu Taliban. This is not something that I have heard earlier of. Many of the references cannot be taken as purely WP:RS except

Anyways I have added the AFD to India and Hinduism sort so as to gather opinions. -- Tinu Cherian - 10:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


I nominated JUNOS, for a DYK. Hope you didn't mind. RockManQ (talk) 20:00, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

NO problems at all ;) . Thanks again -- Tinu Cherian - 02:44, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Update from JSR

I have been trying to bring up mining in India to a fully sourced version and have made some progress. Make sure to take a look whenever you find time :-) JSR 0562 20:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Sure. I will have a detailed look and help with what I can. Thanks for leaving me a note -- Tinu Cherian - 02:59, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Tejas Networks

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A tag has been placed on Tejas Networks requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a company or corporation, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for companies and corporations.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. — dαlus Contribs /Improve 10:13, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

First of all, Kindly dont template the regulars. Tejas Networks was created by me , an experienced wikipedian. Before tagging a new article for speedy for Notabality, would you mind seeing Tejas_Networks#References and googling to search the verifibily and notability ? -- Tinu Cherian - 10:21, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
First, kindly read the edit summery. I used Twinkle to template the page, and Twinkle is the one that templated you. Second, the article is A7, it makes no assertion of notability. Thirdly, as an established editor, you should know that if the content is challenged, it is up to the user who originally contributed the content to back up his or her claims. Lastly, Google hits does not establish notability.— dαlus Contribs /Improve 10:27, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Ah yes, one more thing, I don't believe this template would fall under that essay. That essay is specific in regards to warning templates against vandalism. This is a notification template, and thus I don't see how that essay applies here. It is used for the sake of simplicity, as, by your logic to linking me to that essay, I could also link it to you, in that you templated me instead of just typing out a section alerting me to the messages at your talk page.— dαlus Contribs /Improve 10:30, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Hah..My dear friend, Thanks for the reply and I appreciate your enthusisam to serve the Wikipedia.. Dont be rude... {{Talkback}} is just a courteous way of letting you know that you have a msg at another talk page. I guess you are not used to such things. Dont worry, you will know more as you experience the beauty of Wikipedia. I am also a new page/recent chanegs partoller and as an experienced editor with over 20K edits, Let me share some tips for you. Dont blindly tag new pages. Check for reliable and verifiable sources with the article. Google for verfibility and noteability. Only once when you are not really convinced , tag them for speedy.It saves lots of time both of admins and other wikipedians. Enjoy your stay in wikipedia. -- Tinu Cherian - 10:39, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, don't be rude yourself. I've been here for at least six or more months now, and I have an edit count of 3500+, but to the point, don't link me to an essay saying not to template regulars in regards to warning templates. This was not a warning template, but a notification template, just like the talkback template you used. I am quite aware of it's existence, as I am many things in wikipedia, and although your references may be reliable and verifiable, the article still did not assert notability. Again, please do not be rude, you're assuming an awful lot about me without looking at what is available. I do not blindly tag new pages. I check to see if they assert notability, and if they fail to do so, I tag. Simple as that. So please kindly take your own advice.— dαlus Contribs /Improve 10:56, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Peace, calm down my friend. Edits counts is also no big deal , what matters in quality and precision. Kindly understand that I am trying to help you and kindly read Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies) if possible. Do what you think is right for wikipedia :). Have a gr8 day Thanks -- Tinu Cherian - 11:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Likewise, please AGF in regards to my edits as well, but I do thank you for the important link, I shall watch out in the future. In other matters, seeing as it is 3:00am, I should probably be getting to bed. Also, I do not mean to direct any hostility towards you, I've just been distracted as of late. At least I'm not burned out like I was a few weeks ago. Watch out for large amounts of parser functions, hehe.— dαlus Contribs /Improve 11:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I do ! buddy :).. Do keep in touch, again , Enjoy your stay here in WP .Have a good sleep and sweet dreams :) -- Tinu Cherian -

I withdrew my comments of you being rude and templating me. Apologies ! And I smiled at you :) . Btw the speedy was declined by an admin. The article had references from, Business Daily, ( India's most popular portal) ,Business Standard ,The Hindu Business Online, Digit ( India's No1 computer magazine) , CSIR etc . I am sure you will be a bit more careful while tagging speedys. Best wishes buddy. Dont hesitate to ask for any help from me in future.-- Tinu Cherian - 05:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXXII (October 2008)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter
Issue XXXII (October 2008)
Project news
  • Following a lengthy discussion, three new coordinators – EyeSerene, Maralia and the_ed17 - have been coopted. The purpose of the appointments is partly to fill the place left by the retirement of TomStar81 and partly to provide increased/improved coordinator capacity to cover existing coordinator absences and to help with upcoming major projects. As a reminder, coordinators are merely editors who have committed to go the extra mile for the project and that there are very few processes that require coordinator input. Specifically these are closing A-Class reviews, and endorsing two project award nominations. Any editors who wish to help with the nitty-gritty of this busy project (cross-posting A-Class review, peer review and featured article candidate alerts; responding to member questions and queries, helping with drives) are positively encouraged to do so.
  • A workshop has been set up to redesign and improve the newsletter. In our recent competition, a new name was chosen – The Bugle. All editors are welcome to participate, especially those with graphic and design skills!
  • Administrator and Milhist coordinator, Nick Dowling, has changed his user name to Nick-D.
Articles of note

New featured articles:

  1. Albert Speer
  2. Anglo-Zanzibar War
  3. Operation Epsom
  4. Operation Tractable
  5. SMS Von der Tann
  6. TAM
  7. USS Nevada (BB-36)

New featured lists:

  1. List of Knight's Cross recipients of the U-boat service
  2. List of New Zealand Land Wars Victoria Cross recipients
  3. List of Second Afghan War Victoria Cross recipients

New A-Class articles:

  1. Admiralty Islands campaign
  2. Battle of Fort Donelson
  3. Battle of Fort Henry
  4. Battle of Vigo Bay
  5. Clarence Smith Jeffries
  6. Frederick III, German Emperor
  7. Gilbert du Motier, marquis de Lafayette
  8. MS West Honaker
  9. Percy Herbert Cherry
  10. Joseph Maxwell
  11. SS Iowan
  12. Third Battle of Kharkov
  13. USS Constitution
Current proposals and discussions
  • Adoption of C-class remains firmly on the Milhist agenda with discussions approaching their fourth month of debate. More views are sought on this.
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Updated DYK query On 13 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article JUNOS, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Score one for Tinucherian. RockManQ (talk) 00:13, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the support!

Thanks for supporting my successful Rfa! Hope to work with you in the future! And I will remember my promise to work on article building. Cheers!--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 17:49, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


Hi Tinu, could you weigh in here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thumpamon Sree Vadakkum Nathan and let us know if Thumpamon Sree Vadakkum Nathan exists, or if there is an alternate name for it. Thanks! =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Nick for the note, I have added as much as I could help in. -- Tinu Cherian - 12:01, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you -- it's not easy at all, so we'll see what happens. I might pull out and re-try later. I had to say that I really loved the black cat on your user page! I may just steal it :) Nja247 (talkcontribs) 07:51, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Yea, may be... , but you never know , I have seen some RFAs completely overturn in time. So best of luck. I cant remember from where I stole that cat pic :) -- Tinu Cherian - 07:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Aruvikara Dam2.JPG

Image Copyright problem

Thank you for uploading Image:Aruvikara Dam2.JPG and Image:Aruvikara Dam.JPG. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their license and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. If you need any help lemme know. §hep¡Talk to me! 22:10, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Shep, thanks for the reminder. I have taken those pictures and uploaded to WP. Looks like it lost the license information while being moved to commons ? I have updated it with proper license {{GFDL-self}}. Thanks again -- Tinu Cherian - 07:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Your DYK submission of Tejas Networks

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Tejas Networks at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed. There still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Art LaPella (talk) 01:50, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Synchronous optical networking is the more appropriate technology . I have fixed the hook. Thanks for leaving a note. -- Tinu Cherian - 07:09, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Re:Your RFA

Thanks Tinucherian. --Efe (talk) 03:04, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


Regarding your remarks at ANI,(ANI), I think those comments were entirely uncalled for. Please see . From this "Wikipedia is not a place to hold grudges, import personal conflicts, or nurture hatred or fear. Making personal battles out of Wikipedia discussions goes directly against our policies and goals". We may have differences in views , but that should not be made a reason for comments like "The question is whether he wanted to risk that in India , where there are lots of religious attacks recently ?" . I think you are from "Kerala" and it is a matter of shame to see anyone from Kerala writing like this.-Bharatveer (talk) 06:51, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Dear brother, You know exactly what you have been doing and saying. I have nothing personal about you but is the content that you are trying to inject to WP, which is of my concern. I may be a Keralalite and Indian, but @wikipedia it is my duty to uphold the interest of wikipedia , so that itz content is NPOV, reliable and verifible. I dont have anything more to say. Thanks -- Tinu Cherian - 07:06, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your support

Thank you very much for your support. At present, I am not interested in involving myself in any activity than in closing live current discussions that I have been involved but I will surely consider your suggestion. Once again, thanks :-)-RavichandarMy coffee shop 07:19, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome. We are letting you how much we value your contributions to Wikipedia. We earnstly appeal to you to continue your stay at WP and keep up your good efforts. If there is something we can help or do for you , Please let us know. -- Tinu Cherian - 12:11, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your offer :-) Hope to get back soon-RavichandarMy coffee shop 14:27, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Your DYK submission of Tejas Networks

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Tejas Networks at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed. There still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! —Politizer talk/contribs 04:10, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for letting me know of the issue . Itz done. The reference titles are fixed -- Tinu Cherian - 12:09, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


I remember you had a short and humorous (sarcastic humor) passage on your user page, explaining why you were here. Where did it go? Is it on some subpage. --KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 07:40, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Ya. I did remove it some time back as it was getting misunderstood. Ppl didnt read the links behind and thought I was serious -- Tinu Cherian - 08:34, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Add another person to the list. User:Suyogaerospace took it seriously! See his message on User:Gppande's talk page here. Hehe! --KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 16:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
OMG ! OMG ! OMG ! .Thanks a lot for letting me know ! Good that I removed it soon ! Anyways I left an explaination for Suyo. -- Tinu Cherian - 05:03, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Suraj Mal Jat of Bharatpur

The article 'Suraj Mal Jat of Bharatpur' is toooooo long and badly needs editing. Also this article seems to not follow Wikipedia's NON-BIAS and NEUTRAL-POINT-OF-VIEW policies. There are some deragotary remarks made about SADASHIVRAO BHAUSAHEB which are just not justified and need to be deleted. I request you to kindly help, in improving this article. ThanksKesangh (talk) 17:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for leaving me a note. I guess you are referring to Suraj Mal of Bharatpur article. Sorry I dont know much of his history . What are the issues ? . You may also ask an alternate help at WT:IN . Thanks -- Tinu Cherian - 05:07, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Map of the Mughal Empire

The map of the Mughal Empire doesn't seem to show it's right extent. The map shown says that this extent was around 1700, but during this time Aurangzeb was engrossed in the 27 years war against the Marathas. Although Aurangzeb was able to bring down the Bijapur and Golconda Empires, he still was not able to contain the Marathas. He at that time was in the Deccan, but hadn't had any significant gains against the Marathas. In contrast, Marathas were running riot through the Mughal army under Santaji Ghorpade and Dhanaji Jadhav. A place can be shown as an extent of an empire if the concerned Empire has total control of the region and has won it, which is not the case here. This map should be replaced by a more appropriate one. ThanksKesangh (talk) 07:27, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

My Rfa

Admin mop.PNG Tinucherian/Archives/2008, thank you very much for participating in my Rfa, which was successful with 80 Support, 5 Oppose, 6 Neutral. The comments were overwhelming, and hopefully I can live up to the expectation of the community.

I would also like to thank my nominator Realist2 and my co-nom Orane (talk), and special mention to Acalamari and Lenticel (talk) for the kindness from the start. Regards, Efe

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Swadeshabhimani Ramakrishna Pillai

Yes, it was a bit overlinked. For future reference, you generally only need to link the first instance of a term (such as Travancore) and then don't need to link it again the other times it pops up. The only exception to this is if the first time is in a minor section somewhere and then the term pops up again a long time later, when the reader might have forgotten it...then it's ok to link again. But if a term first appears in the intro, it's almost never necessary to link it later, as we assume everyone reads the intro (you can link it in image captions, though). Dates should almost never be wikilinked, as they aren't very useful to anyone.

Also, some other notes:

  • There shouldn't be spaces between refs; it should be [1][2][3] , not [4] [5] [6]
  • There also shouldn't be spaces before commas and periods. Punctuation should come directly after the last word, with a space after the punctuation. (For example, the first comma here is placed well , the second is not.)
  • There shouldn't be spaces in parentheses. (This way) is good, ( This way ) is not.

Hope this helps, —Politizer talk/contribs 15:32, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your kind suggestions. I'll keep in mind -- Tinu Cherian - 15:47, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

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Swadeshabhimani (newspaper)

No problem :-) CultureDrone (talk) 13:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

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Thankyou for the wonderful RFA Thanks spam. Frankly I dont want to move this to my barnstars section , bcoz I am a bit embarrassed to add a barnster for my support at a RFA. I support / oppose / b neutral at RFAs on reviewing the merits and demerits of a candidate. Anyways congrats and Best of luck for the future and keep up the trust of the community. -- Tinu Cherian - 17:56, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
No worries! It was just an extra thing L'Aquatique graciously added in case you wanted to add it to your awards. Have a nice day, —Mizu onna sango15Hello! 03:57, 25 November 2008 (UTC).


Not yet. Just tired. Will retire when time come. Reasons are i had slipped disc surgery on January and was paralyzed and plus my BP raised 250. So doctors advised me to be active and plus my Lawyer asked me not to sit on comp for long time. Iam a net addict so i had to stop that too. I will keep in touch with you in Email. I never had the chance to send you a email.--SkyWalker (talk) 02:30, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

OmG! tht was sad. Please Take care of yourself. Get well soon. My earnest prayers and wishes for you -- Tinu Cherian - 02:33, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Tinu. Hope you are doing good too. --SkyWalker (talk) 02:37, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
I am fine dude..TakeCare -- Tinu Cherian - 02:46, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


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Thanks a lot for your kind words -- Tinu Cherian - 07:41, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Vakkom Moulavi

Hi. I'm having a look through it now. I've noted a few things which I hope you don't mind me mentioning, which may help improve the article (and future articles):

  • Something I've noticed in both this and the newspaper articles, and something I'd be careful about using, are words and phrases such as "legendary", "fearless" and "freedom fighter" - these are (generally) opinions rather than facts and therefore could be seen as violating WP:NPOV. Whilst the phrase "freedom fighter" has a WP article of it's own, that article states that People who describe themselves (or are described by their supporters) as "freedom fighters" tend to be called assassins, rebels, or terrorists by others., so I've left the phrase in the Vakkom Moulavi article for the moment - you may want to have a think about whether it's appropriate. I know what you're trying to say, but beware of adverse inferences that can be drawn from its use.
  • The article also refers to this person both as "Moulavi" and "Maulavi" - is this just a peculiarity of translating the name ? You may want to standardise the spelling in the article, and put an "also known as" type of comment at the start of the article. This also goes for the name of his son - the "Early life and family" section refers to him as "Abdul Kadar", but the article is about someone named "Abdul Khadir" - again, you may want to use one spelling.
  • The "Early life and family" section definately needs references provided to back up your statements - I've tagged these where I think it's appropriate. This also applies to various comments in the "Social reformation" section.
  • I've removed a large chunk of text from the "Journalism and Swadeshabhimani" section as this is just a duplication of what's in the newspaper article itself.
  • Beware of just cutting and pasting large chunks of other articles - if a web site says 'xxxxxx was a superb leader', then it's inadvisable to just copy that into an article and state it as a fact - calling someone "superb" is still just the opinion of the author of the original article, and therefore still potentially violates WP:NPOV. It would be better to say something like "xxxxxx was called a superb leader", and then provide the references to support that claim.
  • Not everyone (and that includes me) is aware of all of the details of Muslim rituals and life, so phrases such as ..celebration of annual "urs" and Moharrum with bizarre unIslamic features bordering on idolatrous rituals.. may need a little explanation - or at least provide some wikilinks to related articles which might explain what "Moharrum" are, or why "unIslamic features" might be considered idolatrous.

I hope this helps :-) CultureDrone (talk) 09:20, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, CultureDrone .Thanks a lot for a very good and exhaustive review. Really appreciated. I will absorb the points into my next articles. -- Tinu Cherian - 04:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

New York City

Hello, when you (crediting Twinkle) tried yesterday to undo a (harmless) link from mid-September by user:Sanketkawde that had in fact already been removed, you reverted the entire New York City article to its previous mid-September version, thus wiping out two months of work by many people. I've just spent an hour puzzling out and correcting what had happened (after spending over half an hour yesterday restoring one of the intermediate edits I had made). I think there must be something wrong with Twinkle, perhaps with its filtering, perhaps with what it's showing you, perhaps with how you're reading or using it, perhaps with how it interprets commands or requests. —— Shakescene (talk) 11:01, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes. I have also just noticed that. All I was trying to remove links added by a spammer Sanketkawde (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) using Twinkle. I am trying to understand how it can be mended. All i did was to restore to just previous version for the spam edit and lo ! it did mess up. I have been using TW for some time now and also experienced in using it. I am tempted to use TW again to restore the version just before my reversion, but skeptic of messing it up again.A manual cleanup is more safe. I will work on those reverted pages tonight to clear the mess I did. May be should report the bug at TW but couldnt exactly tell the issue. Thanks for leaving a note here and I am extremely sorry for the inconvieance I have caused though unknowingly :( -- Tinu Cherian - 11:14, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
I am busy fixing up the mess which I have created due to Special:Contributions/Sanketkawde now. Thanks a lot for the headsup -- Tinu Cherian - 11:27, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't think you need to do anything more with New York City because I reverted to the version immediately before your edit and the Asian language links added after your edit must have been in previous versions (although a second or third review certainly would do no harm), and I sent a message about the subsequent population (hhh) edit to the editor involved (JKH...), so he can decide whether or how to restore it. (My own subsequent edit was just to restore what had been before, so nothing new was lost in the re-reversion.)
It looks as if Twinkle can't work surgically to revert just one edit without reverting evertything that came afterwards, in this particular case, a couple of hundred edits. —— Shakescene (talk) 11:37, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
I figured out what was the issue. I saw the spammer edits today and started reverting the pages one by one to the version just before the spammer edit on each article. I saw the initial edits have been dated today and assumed the spammer have done it all the changes today itself and hence there may not be any changes after his edit. My bad ! :( I noticed only the initial dates at Special:Contributions/Sanketkawde . I think I am seriously fatigued and I should keep away from laptop now. I have reverted all my edits to this case except New York City. You can TW restore to the version to my edit on that page also. Apologies for all the inconvenience due to me . Have a nice day -- Tinu Cherian - 11:49, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I guess you have fixed the issue on New York City also by now. this is the version difference between the last edit before me and the cleanup by you. Thanks -- Tinu Cherian - 11:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

That is in fact what I did, compare the last version at the time with the one just before your edit, and revert everything. The problem is what about edits that came after yours? The portal I just restored. The Asian language versions were added by a robot, but it probably (although I'm not absolutely certain) just restored versions that had been there before without adding new Wikipedias. My Sister Cities edit was a restoration to what had been before anyway, so it was included in the overall re-reversion. And the population change I'm leaving up to the editor involved, because I think he may need to find a reference or a new definition to back up his change. —— Shakescene (talk) 12:16, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Ok ! All is well that ends well :) -- Tinu Cherian - 12:24, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

RE: Your RFA

Hi there!

Thanks for your message, and thanks for your vote! :)

The Helpful One 17:35, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Could you run your bot again?

Specifically, the same task than you did here? Thanks.Headbomb {ταλκκοντριβςWP Physics} 22:14, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed the msg .. Is it for WP:PHYSICS ? -- Tinu Cherian - 08:58, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes. But could you run it after Anomie runs his (or hers)?Headbomb {ταλκκοντριβςWP Physics} 10:53, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
No probs. Please drop a note if the other task is done . Thanks -- Tinu Cherian - 11:54, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks

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Anti-Christian violence in India - An extremist page

I have given valid reasons in the edit summary on why I've removed some of the sections from the page Anti-Christian violence in India. If you won't find the explanation convincing, please inform me. This page is an ongoing process by the Christian organizations supported activists to vindicate the name of Hinduism. Previously, articles pertaining to religious persecutions were general topics in Wikipedia. Now Indian Christian extremists segregated stories to each of the regions and organizing the pseudo-compassion drama. I don't know how much impact these changes had on you personally. For your kind information - there are a lot of Hindu persecution stories from the North Eastern parts like Nagaland, Mizoram etc and Christian brutality is not forgotten in the state of Goa and other parts of the world; especially in South America. Hindus are so neutral that they won't spend time in classifying and exaggerating mere discriminative stories. I know that you may have explanations to counter my views. Please try to remove your prejudices and analyze each issue as a human being. Thank you - User talk:Arunpnair —Preceding undated comment was added at 15:35, 26 November 2008 (UTC).


Thanks for the barnstar.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 16:43, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome. Keep up the good work ! -- Tinu Cherian - 16:44, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Article Mumbai 2008

Thanks. The attacks were terrible. KensplanetTalkContributions 09:00, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes. We are still in the shock :( ! -- Tinu Cherian - 09:01, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot!

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Thanks a lot for the Barn , Avinesh. It is really precious to receive such a one especially from a person who I had severe disagreements in the past. Thanks again -- Tinu Cherian - 11:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

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DYK for Vakkom Moulavi

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