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April 2014[edit]

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I think it is the height of bad manners to revert a person's edits when they are MIDWAY through making those edits! You revet something made only 30 seconds earlier, and can't wait another 30 seconds till the edits are complete? (nb - I now know that there is a template code I could have added to the article to indicate I was still editing, but as a new user I can hardly be expected to know that) A valid reason for the tag removal WAS given in the edit summary: "Removing notability and references tags. Adding content with references". [1] The article now has 5 references, before it had none. And the notability tag should never have been there. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 14:55, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
You are welcome. But you can not remove tags yourself. I have reverted your one more edit here where you didn't cite to any source. Putting more and more references are not quite enough, the sources should be independent see WP:INDEPENDENT that identify notability of subject also. See WP:Notability. If you have any further question, leave your message on my talk page. Thank you. A.Minkowiski (talk) 22:27, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
And that snide "you are welcome" is of equal bad manners. Of course I can remove tags if there is not a reason for the tags to remain there. Also, try to read the article. The content you deleted (and which I will now restore) is about a book that was linked to in the article's footnotes long before I added the new content. If you have points to make about sources or notability, why not place them in the article's talk page? Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 02:03, 9 April 2014 (UTC)


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August 2014[edit]

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Hi. Nationalist sock-puppet corrupted the article Yazidis. He also do similar things about Zaza-Gorani people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:14, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Things will probably die down once events are off the front pages of event newspaper in the world. It's ironic that a community has to be a victim of ongoing genocide before anyone on Wikipedia bothers about you. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 19:11, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement editing restriction: Armenia and Azerbaijan[edit]

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is there anyway I can view my content on Anti-Assyrian sentiment? I know the page is deleted, but I'd like to keep the info for personal reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Penguins53 (talkcontribs) 01:50, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Maybe Spinningspark the administrator who deleted the page can help [2]. Or see here, though it might not be the latest version (and be quick, copy the text before it is deleted because it is no longer on wikipedia): Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 15:38, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Kardashian Index[edit]

Hello. You may be interested in this: --Mrjulesd (talk) 18:03, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Ways to improve Pedaling History Bicycle Museum[edit]

Hi, I'm Kmccook. Tiptoethrutheminefield, thanks for creating Pedaling History Bicycle Museum!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Very interesting essay. I hope you can update and expand.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. Kmccook (talk) 02:51, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Haven't been editing long enough to understand the "bare urls" / "link rot" thing. Will try to expand the article in the future. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 21:34, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Monica Ogah[edit]

Regarding your delete comment on this AfD, could you please explain what the problems are with the sources. For example you say that one source "says it all" but not why it does that, you need to explain your thinking in AFDs so that others know why you voted the way you did. The same goes for the one you said is "unintentionally hilarious". Why is sources 3, 6, 7 & 9 garbage? As an admin closing this AFD I would be giving very little weight to your argument as you haven't explained why you think what you do.

Also make sure that you comment on content, not on the contributor. Using your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Monica Ogah as an example "as for the "sources" cited by Wikicology" may seem like you are commenting on content, however the use of quote marks around sources says the opposite, as does your comment in italics at the end. Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 05:22, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Your reverts[edit]

As you know there has been some concern regarding the reverts you are making of Epeefleche. WP:BURDEN has been explained to you a number of times. If you continue to follow Epeefleche's edits and revert them without providing a reliable source for their inclusion (or a link to an article in the case of some lists) you may be blocked from editing for adding unsourced content in violation of WP:BURDEN and/or for harassment. Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 04:57, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

I have done no such thing - and you complete lack of diffs proves I have done no such thing! Please leave my talk page alone and cease your harassment. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 14:23, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

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Lindy West[edit]

Can you go to Talk:Lindy West and explain what the purpose of your edits is? I think it might be better to use talk page to voice questions you have rather than making edits that make very little sense. Broedur said West went from film critic to film editor at a newspaper. Yet you claim that requires more clarification? I'm baffled here and it might be better to use the talk page Talk:Lindy West. You seem unfamiliar with the standard section order Notes, References, Further Reading, External Links. It's in MOS:LAYOUT. Nobody is making stuff up here: it's standard. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 00:11, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

You seem to be unfamiliar with what a reference is - even though it is carefully explained on MOS:LAYOUT#Notes_and_references. Your list of articles that have mentioned the subject contains neither citations for specific material in the article nor a list of articles consulted in writing the article. So it can't be called "references". Have now given this explanation on the talk page. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 00:17, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

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However, the sources refer to the events in the plural - so it could be several of the articles linked to by the disambiguation pages that the sources refer to. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 16:10, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Rasmea Odeh[edit]

What would you suggest as a short description? she has US citizenship and has been charged with a crime, she also served time in Israel for terrorism offences. Waacstats (talk) 17:38, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

In most parts of the world, and including America where the trial is taking place, persons charged with a crime but not convicted of that crime are not called "criminals". And would persons convicted of immigration offenses usually be classed as criminals, given that the offense is so much determined by localised laws. "Terrorist" is pov and cannot be used. Or if you think it can, why not "Terrorist/freedom fighter"? Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 18:08, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
How about "Convicted for involvement in terrorist bombing". Waacstats (talk) 23:24, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
"Arab-American community activist, convicted in Israel in 1970 for involvement in terrorist bombing, released 1980". Too long? Or why not leave it blank? Esp since it is an ongoing case. Better that than violate blp guidelines or have something that might quickly be out of date. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 23:54, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

List of German inventors and discoverers[edit]

You should also have a look on List of German inventors and discovereres.

German Astronom Karl Schwarzschild, Johann Galle, Friedrich Loeffler, Friedrich Rosengarth, Erich Huzenlaub and other German inventors and discoverers are all deleted from list by Andy Dingley and Denis Bratland.

see here: (talk) 00:04, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

To be honest, I have no great interest in that specific subject, and no special knowledge about it either. My concern was about the deletion of material (from any article) deleted for no other reason than the editor who added the content had fallen foul of Wikipedia sanctions. I do not consider that to be a valid reason to delete otherwise accurate content (and I am pleased that I am not alone in that opinion [3]). Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 00:37, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Orphan rug[edit]

You've obstructed the DYK nomination for the third time. Please shorten those paragraphs, I don't see why most of the article should be about an exhibition that never took place. Also, please cite them. If these requirements aren't met, I'll have to remove these recent editions. Étienne Dolet (talk) 21:10, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

You should remove nothing and I will oppose any removal: it is all cited and it is all on topic. If anything, that section is too brief even now. Your above words do not seem to match the "I look forward to working with you" said on the DYK page. I appreciate that you created the article. However, while it might irk you - the creator of an article has no ownership over that article or veto over the direction it might take. And, by indicating that you intend to have future content arguments (again, in contrast to what you wrote on the DYK page), it is you who is obstructing the DYK acceptance. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 21:55, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
No, what obstructed this DYK process was an addition of 2,000+ bytes of unsourced content to an article that has already been accepted as a good to go DYK article. Yoninah's latest comment on the nomination page speaks for itself. Those massive paragraphs were and still are poorly cited additions considering that every sentence was cited up until then. As for working with you, we both agreed in a contructive manner to make any such addition regarding the 2013 exhibition AFTER the DYK process was done. With these latest additions, you've breached that agreement by not only unilaterally adding unsourced paragraphs, but tampering with an article that hasn't completed the DYK process. Étienne Dolet (talk) 22:19, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Citing every sentence is not needed. The citation at the end of the paragraph is for everything in that paragraph. There is no need to have multiple citations for undisputed facts, especially since the sources are well-known ones like Washington Post. I have made no such "agreement" with you. I would make no such agreement with anyone. To conclude, and to use your own words, "Can we defer this discussion to the talk page of the article please". Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 22:29, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
I would like to make myself clear as this is my final reply. Citing content that has quotations (especially those belonging to living people) has always been the basic tenet of WP:CITE. Content that can be easily disputed, such as the Armenian Genocide and the controversial 2013 Exhibition, also needs proper inline citations. I'm sorry to say that those citations weren't even formatted properly. Some of those sources, such as the Washington Post one, were already used in the article. Also, you've agreed to my proposal by saying "That's fine for a temp fix." That sure sounds like an agreement to me. I also don't believe this should be deferred to the talk page of the article, as this is more of a discussion about user conduct rather than content dispute of the article itself. I will, however, end this discussion here. Étienne Dolet (talk) 23:37, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
If you look at the article, everything that reasonably needs a citation HAS a citation, including the Schiff quote, which now has an inline citation (though its source was the same source given at the end of the paragraph). Content is not disputed because some editor just disputes it for no reason, it will be disputed when there are credible sources that dispute the content derived from other credible sources. In this case there are no sources that dispute the content, so multiple inline citations are really not needed. As for citations not formatted properly, again to use your own words: "if you find small problems like that then WP:FIXIT". Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 23:52, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
I would've fixed it, Yoninah beat me to it. Clearly, not all quotations were cited ([4][5]). Regards, Étienne Dolet (talk) 00:07, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
If problems have already been fixed, then why raise them after the event? The Schiff quote was cited: I said (above) that it now has an inline citation. I put the citation there, not Yoninah. The White House quote also was cited (giving the Michael Doyle source), given at the end of the following sentence which was clearly linked to the content of the quote sentence by the wording "The White House also said". The diff just shows an additional source for the quote, useful but not really required imho. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 00:15, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Beatrix Campbell[edit]

Just to say, the Beatrix Campbell article has been fussed with again. I'm really pushed for time but thought it worth letting people know in case you want to check the editing out. Testbed (talk) 15:46, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. After looking into the subject the last time around and finding sources I had intended to do some editing on it, but never got round to doing in (more due to laziness than time pressure for me though). Will have a look. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 03:55, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Nagorno Karabakh War[edit]

Can you look at that article? The user, who was adding the propaganda to the Turkish-Armenia War is doing the same to the Karabakh War article. I reverted his last edit telling him to add sources, and he reverted and is adding dubious sources which dont state what he claims they state. Ninetoyadome (talk) 20:21, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

I had noticed his edits, but did not comment because they had been reversed and I had hoped that would be the end of it. At the very least he seems to be abusing the infobox with the insertion of Iran given the supporting "source" says nothing close to what the editor is making it out to say. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 03:52, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
The same with adding Talysh and Lezgins aiding Armenia, the sources added mentioned nothing about them helping Armenia. I have a feeling this user is a sockpuppet of NovaSkola, who would also use dubious sources to make ridiculous claims. In the guba mass grave article novaskola used to claim Armenians raped azeris and his source was a book which never discussed Armenia, azerbaijan or guba. He had also posted a quote where an international community condemned Armenia but the source posted was about Yugoslavia. Ninetoyadome (talk) 05:05, 7 December 2014 (UTC)


Hello. This edit, and in particular the phrase Perhaps as incapable of being a good editor in other aspects too, constitutes an egregious personal attack. I'm not in the habit of blocking editors for snide remarks, but there is a line between terse discussion and a personal attack; it's a blurry line, but that comment was a long way to wrong side of it in my opinion. In addition, it appears that you have been conducting a campaign against Epeefleche for a while, and that other admins have discussed this with you previously, including Callanecc. As such, I've blocked you for 48 hours. Once the block expires, I strongly recommend you give Epeefleche some space for a while, and then if you feel compelled to return to addressing problems you perceive in his editing, to do it in a manner which comes across as legitimate editorial discussion rather than something targeted at a particular editor. You may of course use the {{unblock}} template to request another admin review this block. Regards, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:50, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I agree that my words "incapable of being a good editor" was severe criticism of the quality of Epeefleche's editing. It was not a constructive thing to say and I apologize for making it. However, it was not an unjustified statement to have made under the extended circumstances and the heat of the moment, so it was not an egregious personal attack and not at the level of a blocking offense.
My comment was as a result of being repeatedly targeted with numerous personal attacks by Epeefleche over numerous separate pages. Rather than dealing with legitimate editorial discussion, Epeefleche uses a talk page to do it [6], then does it again [7] (even though I had just asked him to respond to the content issues raised). He does it again here [8] and here too [9]. Here [10], he misuses a page designed for policy advice to paste allegations against me. Then when it is pointed out to him by another editor that here is not the suitable forum for it [11], he deletes the advice. I have NOT been stalking Epeefleche. Where is the proper place for Epeefleche to make allegations of stalking and to get a remedy decision? Is it article talk pages, editors talk pages, DYK pages, policy pages, or ANI? Is an editor who repeatedly uses the wrong pages to make allegations of stalking rather than taking the allegation to ANI acting like a good editor? Epeefleche does not want to take his unfounded stalking allegation to ANI: his aim is just to intimidate me away from one of his pet articles and to use allegations of hounding to close down content discussion on that article.
I am requesting to be unblocked because my "incapable of being a good editor" wording, though over the top, was understandable and had some substance under the circumstances: Epeefleche has been misusing pages and procedures so has not been behaving like a good editor should. I also (since Epeefleche won't do it) want to take this repeated "hounding" allegation to ANI. I want it decided whether it is justified or not, and so that (if it is decide that I have not been doing it), I can get Epeefleche to cease his allegations and start talking content issues.
HJ Mitchell had no justification for claiming "hounding another editor" as a blocking reason. WP:Hounding has a specific meaning attached to specific actions, it is not just a bad faith insult to be thrown around like confetti on talk pages. I made a legitimate response to a DYN nomination noticeboard post, a nomination that randomly caught my eye (because of its extraordinary DYK claim) after looking at the Narekavank nomination (I have, as my edit history shows, an interest in Armenian and Turkish subjects and so try to follow edits by Yerevantsi who shares this interest). I never even knew it was Epeefleche who made the nomination until he made his usual stalking allegation [12] to intimidate me away. My edits and points were on-topic and intended to improve the article, were not tendentiousness or disruptive, and were properly presented and argued (allowing for Epeefleche attempts from the very outset to derail them by making hounding accusations): [13],[14],[15]. As far as I know I have had no contact with anything Epeefleche has edited for at least 7 weeks, and Epeefleche is an editor who edits 1000s of articles. So where is the stalking? Where has it been decided I have been hounding anyone? Where has accusations and evidence been properly presented in an appropriate place? Where have I had the chance to defend myself? Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 8:10 pm, Yesterday (UTC−6)

Decline reason:

I am requesting to be unblocked because my "incapable of being a good editor" wording had some substance under the circumstances. Actually, it was very lacking in substance and hyperbolic. That your unblock request was immediately followed by a series of diffs attempting to cast Epeefleche in a bad light does not convince me that you understand why you were blocked, nor does it convince me that you would refrain from following Epeefleche or someone else's edits if you were unblocked early. I, JethroBT drop me a line 08:16, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

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Here is the immediate result of the above block: Epeefleche gloating on his talk page [16], Epeefleche making yet another off-topic post on the article talk page [17] as a way of avoiding addressing the legitimate content issues raised, Epeefleche making yet another off-topic post on the DYK nomination page [18] as a way of avoiding addressing the legitimate content issues raised, Epeefleche making yet another off-topic post on a policy page[19] even though he had been advised earlier he was off-topic, Epeefleche ignoring Wikipedia procedures by removing a legitimately placed and properly explained npov tag [20] Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 03:33, 11 December 2014 (UTC)