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A question about your work on the literary technique article[edit]

I love how you cleaned up the literary technique article in december last year. In fact I love it so much, I am about to do the same on the article about Figure of speech. Is there any obstacles I should know of before undergoing this project? --Spannerjam (talk) 12:28, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Spannerjam. Appreciate the compliment and your willingness to work on this.
I've given this some thought, and I think a more unified definition of what a figure of speech is (the introduction) would be really helpful in this endeavor. What is meant by a figure of speech? We use the expression itself quite a bit, but in reality we use them in many different ways.
In the article currently, figure of speech is defined as words or phrases used in a nonliteral sense, which is the dictionary definition. I challenge this definition of denotata vs conotata, however.
  • Yoda from Star Wars has a figure of speech which is distinctly different from others and by his speech Yoda is made identifiable. This figure of speech is defined by the syntactic rules of Yoda's mother language, which would most likely have been OSV (Strong in him the Force is) as opposed to SVO in English (The Force is strong in him).
  • I used to know a funny surgeon who would say stuff like, "A day without pus is like a day without sunshine" and "Tell him to hit the Bible because I can't do nothing for him." The figure of speech in this case is use of unusual metaphors or similes.
  • One can say a person has a poetic figures of speech, like V in Vandetta with alliteration.
The above three are examples of different figures of speech, but with varying focii on the issue of language that have little to do with how a literal meaning and its connotation differs. In the case of Yoda, the figure of speech is very literal and there is not an ulterior meaning. In the case of the surgeon, the figure of speech can be literal or figurative. In the case of V, the speech has more of a focus on the sound itself and less to do with meanings, literal or otherwise. What they all have in common, however, is the way it builds familiarity with the speaker - the issue of identification. A figure of speech often times will identify the person - just as the shape of a person's face might.
At this point, there seems to be two major definitions of figure of speech. One is the use of a language such that a thing that is said refers to another thing altogether, sarcasm for example. A more reclusive definition is the use of language such that an expression that is unique or distinctive from the normal use and by that distinctiveness, renders the originator - speaker - identifiable. The word "style" comes to mind.
A figure of speech looses its distinctiveness when everyone uses it. Cliches are hardly figures of speech, unless its use is ironically applied within a novel context, where it would no longer be a cliche.
So I think that would be the starting point. Once the foundation is laid down, the overall structure for the rest of article would arise from that. It would be
  • Introduction. A unified definition.
  • Various types of figures of speech.
  • Examples within various types; this could be multiple sections.
  • Figure of speech in relation to the domains it belongs to. Rhetoric would be one. Speech would be another.
Hope that is helpful.
Tofoo (talk) 05:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello, Tofoo. Thank you for your swift and comprehensive answer. Unfortunately, I don't understand this section of your text:
  • "Various types of figures of speech.
  • Examples within various types; this could be multiple sections.
  • Figure of speech in relation to the domains it belongs to. Rhetoric would be one. Speech would be another."
What do you mean with types?
What do you mean with examples within various types?
What do you mean with domain? --Spannerjam (talk) 09:26, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Clarification about sections in figure of speech[edit]

By types, I mean that there is more than one kind of figure of speech like there is more than one kind of irony. There are different types of figure of speech.

  • What these are I am not exactly sure. I think one kind is the type of figure of speech that identifies the speaker. Another is the type that people most commonly talk about : saying one thing and meaning something else.

By examples, I mean that for each of type of figure of speech, separate examples can be found.

  • The identifying type: grammar, poetic sound devices, etc.
  • The not-so-literal type: metaphors, verbal irony, etc.

By domain, I am talking about to what does figure of speech belong to? Like a "See also" section.

  • Does it belong to language? I think the answer is yes.
  • Does it belong to literature? I am not so sure, maybe partially.
  • Does it belong to interpersonal communication? Yes.
  • Does it belong to figurative language? no....

Tofoo (talk) 09:58, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Here's how I think would have written the introduction for Figure of Speech[edit]

"A figure of speech is the use of words and phrase that is unique or distinctive from the usual expectations of its target audience. Though this distinctiveness most commonly arises from the separation of intended meaning from the literal one, a figure of speech is not necessarily bound to the emphasis on connotations."

"Classically, figure of speech was defined by the rhetorical operations..." -> Here, the focus would be on the issue of literal versus figurative meaning. Deals with semantics.

"Figure of speech, today, refers to the effect that a distinctive use of words and phrases the speaker has on a listener. In order to create the this intended effect, a speaker employs spoken ."

Tofoo (talk) 06:57, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Draft:Busan Brothers Bokjiwon Incident (부산 형제복지원 사건) (May 25)[edit]

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. JMHamo (talk) 02:46, 30 November 2014 (UTC)