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Hi Tony,[edit]

The Nauka module is basically a new space station by itself, when OPSEK is commissioned, Nauka is the Service module which does what Zvezda does for the ISS. The 2 research modules are just laboratories, and the node module has little at all inside it. Nauka is the module with all the life support and engines, computer and so on, so a bathroom of similar design to Zvezda is not really controversial (they'd be busting to go in OPSEK without one). Unlike other nations, Russia send their modules fitted out with equipment already, so it's unlikely that the toilet for OPSEK would be sent separately later on, it wouldn't make sense that way.

Please do as you please with the article though, it needs updating and filling in a LOT of information, they all do. Penyulap 21:06, 28 Jul 2012 (UTC)

No worries. When I read bathroom, I thought of a room with four walls, a bathtub, and tiles and so on :-) But then again, they have something they call a divan in the orbital modules of the Soyuz … Yeah, the article needs some work, and I wasn't aware that that module will be the core of OPSEK (what an AWFUL name compared with ALL other stations so far) – maybe I'll put that information there. Tony Mach (talk) 07:04, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
Actually, that's not so bad really, but it ended up looking like a aluminium cylinder on the older Russian stations, (the shower). it took them ages to get the water hot and go though all the setting up and so on that in the end they now wipe themselves with damp cloths. There are videos on youtube of washing hair in orbit, some chick with really long hair too. But yes, Nauka has the lot, you should also talk to User:Craigboy he has some secret info about the ISS hidden away in a hidden stash. I wish he'd just put a lot more of it into the article, because it is great stuff.
but as ideas go, there are some interesting ones about the ISS, picturing it and so on. I'll go upload an early picture, a sketch that looks like a hotel lobby with someone sitting in a chair reading a book before bed, there is what seems carpet and up and down and all that kind of thing, so it's not like you'd be the first to picture a bathtub :) I'll have to upload that just for you. It's cool. Penyulap 16:27, 30 Jul 2012 (UTC)

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Hypopituitarism[edit]

Hi Tony, I saw your edits on hypopituitarism. I'm not sure if I agree with the use of italics and {{dfn}} tags, so I was wondering if we could discuss the issue on Talk:hypopituitarism. JFW | T@lk 18:02, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, sure, no problem, be right there, need to finish an edit to another article. Tony Mach (talk) 18:06, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

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Kosmos 212 & 213[edit]

I've reverted your merger of these articles. Combined articles are the exception rather than the rule, and just because it is done elsewhere doesn't mean it should be done here. Spacecraft are all considered notable enough to warrant their own articles, so if anything, the other article should be split rather than these ones merged. --W. D. Graham 13:11, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Full ack, then Kosmos 186 and Kosmos 188 should be split, as this was the first unmanned automated docking of spacecraft in the history of spaceflight. Don't know to best do a split, though. Tony Mach (talk) 13:24, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

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Atopic eczema[edit]

Hello, Tony. I have seen that you have Tidied up the Cause section on this page. (great edit by the way) I have removed your New section on dairy being another cause, because I later mention (in the "Cure" section) Dairy as being a source OF Lectins. Also you say :

Depending on the degree of reaction either a complete avoidance, or a reduction in consumption of dairy is advised.

- I feel this good sentence would be better suited in the Cure section again, but it already kind of IS. - see:

Eliminating all foods containing lectins for a short period (about a week) will allow the skin repair itself. Lectins are found in high concentrations in cereal grains, legumes and vegetables of the nightshade family such as potatoes. However they are also found in considerable amounts in dairy products made by grain fed cattle.

Would you like to discuss this in Talk:atopic_dermatitis ?

Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laoseb97 (talkcontribs) 14:59, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Some good points, but dairy/milk does contain more than just lectins. I think it is a mistake to reduce milk to lectins. Tony Mach (talk) 05:04, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
That's true and plausible ... doesn't that make it an exclusive milk allergy though - just like you orginaly said, but that doesn't explain why patients react to many foods other than dairy. Te only possible link the "notorious triggers" have in common ( to my knowledge) IS lectins.

Either way, since we have both addressed that diet is THE main culprit for eczema, Im quite happy to leave the dairy alone (joke) as another posibble theory.Thanks for your input Laoseb97 (talk) 16:15, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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Europa Clipper[edit]

Hello Tony. I apologize for the grief my additions caused to your DYK proposal. I will work on it next. See, there is this policy called Public domain#Government works that applies to NASA:

"Works of the United States Government and various other governments are excluded from copyright law and may therefore be considered to be in the public domain in their respective countries. In the United States, when copyrighted material is enacted into the law, it enters the public domain."

In similar circumstances and resulting debates years ago, it was decided that the work from NASA is indeed public domain and can be copied with inline attributions, which I did. It is accepted by most administrators, however, there will always be editors unwilling to accept this law, and claim that "plagiarism" applies instead, making it not a legal matter but "moral". I don't debate nor address such complains any more but I will fix it out of respect to you, not to Wikipedia zealots. CHeers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 15:21, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Personally, I think that every piece of science that was done with public money should end up in the public domain, regardless if the people doing it are public employees, or "private" employees – it would be the right thing. Effectively, if anybody is getting paid with public money, they are factually doing public work.
However, this is not the law, and AFAIK, JPL is not a part of the government, it is not another part of NASA, it is not some public entity – it is basically a private company. As such (and unless the contract with NASA says otherwise) the private company JPL has copyright on their work (regardless whether they explicitly assert it or not). As I said, I don't like it, but that is how it probably is.
With regards to JPL images: Until NASA officially and explicitly releases the JPL images into the public domain, I fear that JPL Image Policy is binding and effectively their images are not in the public domain. I would dearly love that someone would show up and say "Because of A, B and C, JPL's work is in the public domain." However, I have not seen a proper argument to this point. It would not be a big problem IMHO anyway (only a minor nuisance), because anybody is free to use JPL images, as long as the credit line is included.
Now with regards to text, I don't know if the same applies as with images. Does JPL give permission to use their text, like they do with their images? The Europa Clipper article would be good help to advertise their project, and as such I imagine JPL would be fine with that. Maybe someone should contact them? Is there an official position by JPL on that? So we can use JPL text as well, as long a credit line is included in the article? Tony Mach (talk) 15:50, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
I reworked the text and hope the "plagiarism" has been addressed to everyone's satisfaction. Regarding your images, I rather not participate in the debate; I was burned out years out with the convoluted technicalities of NASA/JPL use of their images. Please let me know if more work is needed with the offending text of the article. Again, my apologies of having your DYK rejected because of my additions. Cheers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 16:18, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
No sweat about the text! I don't know anything about DYK – is that a "Did you know"? I did not initiate such a thing and am a bit puzzled that you mention it. I just want to add information where there is none, but should be. Tony Mach (talk) 16:26, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
I think I should clear something up here, the text I removed was in no way in the public domain; it was not the work of NASA or JPL, it was verbatim text sourced from an NGO, private blog, and news source. The text I removed was clearly not in the public domain, and clearly protected by copyright. Liamdavies (talk) 16:32, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Liamdavies for pointing that out! I have kicked off a rather unpleasant copyright matter (JPL images, and the question whether the JPL images are PD or not), and got those two affairs a bit mixed up. IMHO you are right, the text parts used from the NGO and the blog are not in the PD. Tony Mach (talk) 19:02, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Internet dog[edit]

Hello, Tony, and firstly my apologies for being a party pooper. Unfortunately the use of File:Internet dog.jpg (a non-free image) in User:Tony Mach/userbox/Dog looks like a violation of WP:NFCCP. This policy states that non-free images can only be used in articles, and then only in an article for which a specific non-free use rationale has been provided. Do you think you could find another image for your userbox? Thanks. – Wdchk (talk) 03:00, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Darn!
And I thought I only used free images for my userboxes! Will remove it, and thank you Wdchk for the pointer!
(And I think a free image of a dog will do just fine for this userbox anyway.) Tony Mach (talk) 08:03, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year Tony Mach![edit]

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Cavet on shades of color template[edit]

I like that you cleaned up the wording for the caveat on the Template:Shades of color, unfortunately it changed the meaning. I do agree though that the current caveat needs to be written more eloquently. Any suggestions? PaleAqua (talk) 19:16, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I would need to know what is wrong with the new wording – or rather what meaning is missing in the new wording. I will then gladly try a second attempt! I was hoping I nailed it, and that I didn't need to make it any longer… :-) Tony Mach (talk) 20:39, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Opps sorry. I put it in the edit notice forgot to here. The issue is that color terms are not precise and don't map neatly to a single coordinate in RGB space. There has been issues in the past where this has caused problems and during one of those discussions it was decided to put a notice on the various shades of templates that the color was only one point out of a region in the color space that falls under the term. ( There is also the issue that some colors are outside of the RGB space and can't be represented fully saturated, etc. ) As one example, there was a debate about the color green and if green was actually #00ff00 or #007f00 ( and that other should "properly" be called office green or lime ) when in fact both colors are green. One of the solutions was for major color terms to include a grid of multiple colors in the info box. To be honest I'd actually like to replace the templates with something similar or perhaps allow for gradients. So green might show lighter greens in one corner, darker ones in another, etc. PaleAqua (talk) 02:11, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
OK, I see. I'll have to mull over that. Probably best to add a short note in the "color navboxes" and slightly longer explanation in the relevant articles. Color continues to be a can of worms… :-) Tony Mach (talk) 07:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi PaleAqua, I made a new version:
A typical sample is shown for each name – however a range of color-variations is commonly associated with each color-name.
Hope this is more to the point. Tony Mach (talk) 12:38, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks PaleAqua (talk) 01:24, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
BTW I saw you experiment with some other changes. The sandbox feature for templates is pretty cool, it lets you preview how the template would look on other pages from the edit page. PaleAqua (talk) 02:16, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
I did test some things in my userspace first. Other things I thought they would work great, but realized only after I rolled them out that they didn't quite work as I envisioned – but I try to settle on a good version quickly though.
(On two unrelated topics) I have put some work (into an article and into an navbox) which are now lingering around since months in my user-space – it irks me that I have not rolled out these changes yet. Here I wanted to roll out improvements for the color topic once I thought they would improve the usefulness for wikipedia-users (and not have those changes linger almost finished in my userspace) – even if I had to hone them afterwards… Oh well, I do apologize – though I hope it is a net improvement what I do (and I think I don't leave any construction site open for long). Tony Mach (talk) 07:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
I can understand that, had a bunch of improvements I wanted to finish for the color infobox and related templates that I just never got the energy to get around to finish. So I'm glad to see others work on them. PaleAqua (talk) 09:26, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

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MH17 Edit[edit]

In regards to this edit, doesn't reference 3 (named "sydney1") establish that it was "shot down"? Thanks, Stickee (talk) 12:35, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

No Stickee, the reference does not establish any such thing - it merely reports it.
If I am not mistaken, that reference is to a report from July 17th. I very much doubt they could have determined on the very same day, without visiting crash debris, without retrieving the black box, without examining air traffic records, and without evaluating possible confidential SIGINT recordings, the cause of the crash.
I think the most likely cause of the crash was in fact a shot down, but a source of the same day as the crash can hardly establish this as anything resembling a fact – it was merely reported on that day. That is what I changed, to accurately represent what happened: it was reported.
I think there are by now better sources to more definitely report this as a shot down, and if so, they should be used. And BTW: It will be the task of the Dutch investigation to establish the cause of the crash, and I hope the preliminary report comes out soon. Tony Mach (talk) 13:22, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
There's 22 other citations that use "shot down" in their title alone, and a lot more would be using that term in their body (but I don't have time to check all 229 of them). As acknowledged by User:Knowledgekid87 who reverted your edit, the sources in the body state it was "shot down", as should the article. Stickee (talk) 13:49, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Dear Stickee, would it be too much to ask to give ONE relevant citation at the establishing sentence, instead of hitting me over the head with "22 other citations" that contain "shot down" in the title? Citations which, by the way, may or may not establish that the airplane was shot down? Tony Mach (talk) 14:54, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
The reliable sources are saying it was shot down, therefore the article should say it too. The only standard of truth on Wikipedia are the RSs. It isn't our job to second-guess the sources; if they're all saying something as fact, the article does too. Stickee (talk) 00:10, 1 September 2014 (UTC)