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Game of Thrones (season 5)[edit]

May I ask who made you God? This is in reference to the Game of Thrones (Season 5)_ page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piandme (talkcontribs) 21:02, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

May I ask how you intend to make meaningful contributions when you clearly haven't read any part of the huge welcome notice with instructions for new editors left on your talk page? Maybe you should, instead of continuing to add unsourced content, or info sourced to an unreliable fansite. I and a few other editors have been cleaning up your messes for a little while now. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 21:11, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

I have actually read it (although I hadn't at the start, which caused me to make a few mistakes so I apologise dor that). It should be noted that the edits I did this evening were based on ow the season4 page for Game of Thrones looked. The cast list for that did not have references ata nay point (excluding new cast additions). There were numerous mistaakes, but I hva e been careful to make sure that my list was accurate, and will continue to make edits like I have been doing.

I will not though put the casting list back in for now, because I respect that you disagree, but once more information backing my side comes up rest assured it will be back, either using this account, or another, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piandme (talkcontribs) 21:44, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Maybe you need to read it again. The season 4 cast list does not require sourcing in its current state, because the sourcing is the 10 episodes comprising season 4 that have already aired. Much in the same way the episode titles do not require sourcing because they have aired. Your point about being careful about mistakes seems pretty ridiculous given the amount of spelling errors in your response. Regardless, I am glad you won't bring the cast list back without reliable sourcing. I would have removed it myself, but every editor must adhere to 3RR, you and I included. Do not register and use another account. Doing so violates WP:SOCK. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 21:50, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

"LOL, nice try "MegaGoTFan" now you're a sockpuppeteer. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 21:57, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

OK, well I respectfully disagree. They are actually typos rather than spelling errors, but you can call them whatever you like. I, of course will not register for another account. I was merely suggesting that I think it is likely that someone will do something similar to me in the next month or so, but I guess we will see. Unless I am banned (which I suppose is quite likely) I will continue to edit Game of Thrones pages (amongst other pages). I completely disagree about your point pertaining to Watchers On The Wall (So WinterisComing.net isn't a fansite then?????), but I bow to your superiority. If you wish you can delete my messages here once you have read them, as I only felt the need to respond, and they don't sereve muc of a purpose apart from that.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piandme (talkcontribs) 22:03, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

You just did register another account to remove my 3RR report. "MegaGoTFan". I am now filing a WP:SOCK investigation. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 22:07, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Wrong. I hope the administrators see this the right way. I do respect that you are a very experienced editor, but it is important to encourage new editors as well, something you don't seem to want to do. We all learn by our mistakes, and I will of course by more careful when editing not to uost the status quo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piandme (talkcontribs) 22:16, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Wrong? It would be an unbelievable coincidence to have a new user register at that time, under the name "MegaGoTFan" (clearly referencing Game of Thrones), and make their first edit to blank the 3RR report pending against you. Too coincidental to not be connected. Regardless admins can check the locations of the two user names to verify the sockpuppetry. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 22:21, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, you know, we will see. I take on board alll of your comments above. If I do get banned, well, thats just one of those things. On a competely unrelated point, I do oike your username, which is pretty apt here for me, I think. Anway I think this discussion has well and truly flown its course, so there is no point you responding as I won't return (unless, say, in the future discussion is required). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piandme (talkcontribs) 22:27, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

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Untitled complaint[edit]

Why do you put "former" instead of retired. Former sounds idiotic. (Unsigned by User:Mattjc25)

Former is the standard when it comes to ex-baseball players, at least in my experience with the project, which is around 4-5 years I would guess. Retired just isn't used, and when it is, it should be and often is changed to maintain some uniformity. I won't say that all pages use former, because they don't, but the vast majority of living ex-ballplayers use former. In any case, the player's nationality comes before either term, as the player is not a "former Canadian/American/etc.", nor are they retiring from their nationality. If you think retired should be used instead of former, the correct thing to do would be to open a discussion about it, and not just change it without any discussion (or even an edit summary, which you should always use). Please be aware of the policy on edit warring. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 13:30, 2 October 2014
I do think "retired" should be used instead of former. For instance former could mean multiple things. Example you have Jeter as a former shortstop. A-Rod could also be put as former shortstop and current third baseman. Jeter isnt current anything. He's just retired. (another unsigned comment by Mattjc25)
Well you're welcome to your opinion. Note that current is a word to be avoided, per WP:DATED. Jeter is worded as a "former professional baseball shortstop" and not just "former shortstop", so there is no confusion to be found there. Regardless, this issue you have won't be resolved on my talk page by the two of us. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 03:58, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
It could be resolved quite easily. You could change former to retired and call it a day lol. If you look at Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettite, and Jorge Posada all say retired. Not former. (Still hasn't learned how to sign posts)
Pettitte was changed by you, and was undone by another user. Thanks for bringing Posada and Rivera to my attention - they have now been changed to former for uniformity. I have tried to explain this to you, but you don't seem to understand. "Resolved" is building consensus within the community to change from "former" to "retired". While both are acceptable for a page on Wikipedia (READ ME) "former" is the established norm for baseball players who are living but not playing anymore. Consensus can't be built by two editors, and especially when they don't agree. Now that this has been sufficiently explained to you, this discussion on my talk page is closed. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 13:34, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Penance Walk[edit]

The reason I undid Sandstein edit is because I believe it would spoil the plot fpor many people. I do understand Wikipedia's policy on spoilers, but I don'y yhink it should be announced in such a blatant way to ruin others enjoyment. There is plenty of other filming information, which hasn't been included, and I don't really see why this is any different. If it has to be included (which is a shame for show-only) viewers as it could ruin the plot for them), I think it should be slightly more vague as to why Cersei is doing the walk, and not exaggerated to such a great extent with "penance". Of course, once season 5 gas aired the full information could be included. Piandme (talk) 19:36, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Removing something and using the reasoning of "spoilers" is not allowed. It is as simple as that. What you could do is open a discussion on the article's talk page, or Sandstein's talk page, and discuss possibly changing the wording but just removing it because it may spoil something for an uninformed viewer isn't allowed. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 19:40, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Hopefully Sandstein has learnt from his poor edit by my undo. I have carefully edited the post, so it mentions the slaient facts without completely ruining the show for people people who don't want to have huge spoilers pointed out to them before the initial airing Piandme (talk) 20:10, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Sandstein is an administrator with years of experience. I recommend you be more careful in the future to assume good faith at all times. His intention was to improve the page, much in the way yours is. You don't have to agree with him, but you have to show respect your fellow editors. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 21:39, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
I see it has been edited back now, which I obviously accept (despite disagreeing with the wording). My problem is the word "penance", remove that and it would probably be acceptable. No one would have posted that Robb Stark dies in season 3 beforehand, and I think this is similar. Penance gives the impression of sins, and it gives away a huge book spoilee. I understand that spoilers are permitted (after all most of the page is a spoiler to some degree), but I still think major ones should be made more discreet. Sandstein (and others) feel this is fine to do, I feel that the information should be included (a it is a major filming piece), but a degree of discreeteness is something i would expect. Perhaps not... Piandme (talk) 00:35, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
I understand your reasoning, but if you want it to change, the best place to discuss it would be the article's talk page. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 01:03, 6 October 2014 (UTC)