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About Hitler's atheism[edit]

Some people want to prove here that Hitler was an atheist. I just found one of his many statements about religion [1]. Of course he was an athesit LOL. What you think of it ? 46.71.226.51 (talk) 16:15, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

It's unclear to me what article at Wikipedia you are talking about, since the issue here ought to be how to make coverage of content more accurate, as opposed to general discussions of what Hitler was or was not. It seems to me that the link you gave me here is quoting him as expressing support for, not opposition to, religious teaching. I think that we have to be careful about not letting Godwin's law get interjected into discussions of WP:NPOV in Wikipedia articles. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:12, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
For political purposes Hitler portrayed himself as a Catholic, but it's clear that he wasn't sincere about that. In private he often ridiculed the Catholic church, and whenever the church came into conflict with the Nazi party, the church was always the loser. Looie496 (talk) 03:11, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I ment Atheism article, where some people wanted to put Hitler's name near Stalin's name (like to show how evil are atheists). 46.71.96.237 (talk) 19:14, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Looie. 46, in that case, my opinion is that editors should never want to put content into an article to "show" something is good or bad – instead, it's all about what the reliable sources say. I'll keep a closer eye on Atheism about this issue, thanks. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:44, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Following up, there really isn't any serious effort to add that to that page. What I do see is that, a couple of days ago, someone editing from an IP that geolocates to the same nation as 46 does tried to post comments on the talk page about Hitler being an atheist, pretty much in the manner of Godwin's law, and other editors reverted the posts per WP:NOTFORUM. There's really nothing more to discuss, unless someone argues for changing what the page says. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:55, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

nutrition and....[edit]

what is your take on Nutrition and cognition and Nutritional neuroscience and the relation between them? Jytdog (talk) 00:58, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, as for the subject matter, it strikes me as a question of what happens when there is a serious nutritional deficiency. Obviously, there can be developmental problems with vitamin deficiencies, for example, but it's mostly pseudoscience when people talk about food that makes you smarter. I've noticed that recently there is some very mainstream interest in the microbiome and the nervous system. As for WP having two pages (neither is on my watchlist), I don't see much need to merge them, but maybe some need to reduce redundancy of content between them, with the former focusing on human health, and the latter on (mostly) animal studies of the developmental biology. I'm not sure if any of that is what you were wanting me to get at, so please feel free to follow up if I missed the point. --Tryptofish (talk) 01:26, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
thanks that is exactly the high level impression i was looking for! thanks. Jytdog (talk)
Good, you're welcome! --Tryptofish (talk) 23:46, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Atheism in religions[edit]

Absolute atheism towards any powerful supernatural beings is very rare in the established world religions and I think that section should reflect that (without having to resort to a parenthetical phrase). So often either the universe is a conscious being which is trying to express itself or humans are trying to join the mind of the Universe, or there is an afterlife where humans can transcend to and gain power, maybe enough to become a being capable of helping lesser beings achieve enlightenment through supernatural means. That is beyond the devas, demons, celestial buddhas, arhats, brahma aspects of the universe, elementals, etc. I have never found a neopagan that didn't adhere to at least one of these concepts and find Paganism being included under atheism extremely dubious. Alatari (talk) 01:55, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

The religions that have a belief in karma, (Jainism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, neoPaganism) also have the concept of reincarnation where souls are in a cycle of rebirth and an ultimate goal can be reaching the state of godhead/perfection/deification. Those that believe the end means non-existence, I guess would be atheists as per the definition of the atheism article, as long as they avoid concepts of a Universe with a consciousness, devas, demons, and incarnations into anything other than natural lifeforms. Alatari (talk) 02:11, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I am curious what the demographics of world population that are adherents within religions that actually fall under Atheism's definition of atheism. Measuring that would be nigh impossible but a few expert's on religion opinions might be found. Alatari (talk) 02:14, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Demigod word choice.[edit]

Demigod doesn't cover Arhats, Pantheism, Celestial Buddhas, (Amitābha) etc. What word choice or article encompasses all these supernatural, god-like beings? Alatari (talk) 03:47, 16 July 2

I don't know, myself, and I'm fine with the fact that you reverted me. Something that is becoming increasingly clear to me is that this particular issue, and the broader issues that you raise above, are simply too complex to be treated briefly in the lead section of Atheism. I'm thinking that, to do the material justice, it needs its own section within the page. Besides, the lead section of any page really should not include material that does not get covered lower on the page, anyway. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:18, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
It took me hours of reading, the other night, to get to the level of understanding to create that (hopefully accurate) paragraph. Well, and calling on memories of visits to various temples, churches and pagan gatherings and FB atheist group debates to enhance my search within the sources for relevant paragraphs. There is a lot of misconception about Buddhism and Hinduism in the Facebook groups.
There is a lot more of material on the subject. Having it be a separate section is fine with me.Alatari (talk) 21:15, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
That sounds good. Thanks for your work on the subject. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:15, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Psychology handout for student editors[edit]

Hi Tryptofish! Thanks for your incredibly useful feedback on the first draft of the psychology handout for student editors. I've tried to incorporate your suggestions and that of other editors to an expanded version here: User:LiAnna (Wiki Ed)/Psychology handout. If you have some time to review the content closely in the next week, I'd really appreciate it. I'm also looking for some specific help as outlined on the talk page. Thanks again for all your assistance! --LiAnna (Wiki Ed) (talk) 04:17, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

You are very welcome! I'll take a look at the new material in the next day or so. I'm glad that you are doing these things, and I anticipate that they will be very helpful. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:51, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
I just uploaded the designed file to Commons: File:Editing Wikipedia articles on psychology.pdf. Would you have time in the next few days to give it one more look-over and let me know if you have any additional suggested edits before we print them? Thanks so much, Tryptofish! --LiAnna (Wiki Ed) (talk) 08:47, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:15, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

On mediation and such[edit]

See... you do not seem to have ever been through the dispute resolution process. So that's why you reject it despite its well-known failings. There is never a bright-line for anything and that is what you and EEng are looking for there - so much is wasted on useless banter when EEng is willfully abusing and refactoring talk page posts and no one seems to care. Talk about misplaced priorities. No one cares that EEng is abusive and regularly breaks the "bright-line rules", but it seems I should go outside my comfort zone and come to some conclusion that goes against accessibility and normal procedures because he seeks to validate his disruption. There is absolutely no reason he needs to use half the templates on Phineas Gage and he's done everything to make it as inaccessible as possible - EEng is not even supposed to be EDITING that page to begin with. Its ArbCom or bust for dealing with the likes of him - and quite a few editors realize that. If you really are blind to the situation after your attempts to resolve it unilaterally with him failed, just remember that RFC/U and Mediation are completely different and ArbCom is equivalent of a firing line. EEng is incapable of working with others on anything he has a vested interest in - the COIN discussion was proof of that. Its no surprise EEng has these conflicts with other editors, its just a shame that as a whole nothing can be done unless everyone wastes a whole month to deal with him. You may mean well, but you don't understand what I am even talking about. That's why you will continue to shake your head, complain and do nothing about it. Though that's about all any of us can do unless it goes to ArbCom. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 22:57, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you feel that way, but you are uninformed about my familiarity with dispute resolution. Actually, I don't think that he wants a bright line any more than you do. I'm not the one who is complaining and doing nothing about the situation. I wish you good luck in moving on, putting this dispute out of your mind permanently, and finding happier places to edit productively on Wikipedia. --Tryptofish (talk) 13:54, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Female use of urnials[edit]

Hi Tryptofish,

I noticed that you removed the image of women using urinals from the Urination article stating that this practice seems unusual and insufficiently common to be mentioned. We have a full article on the subject of women urinating while standing called Female urination device. This is a common enough practice among women that some urinals are designed specifically for women. Would you object if I readded the image to the article?

Neelix (talk) 23:17, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for checking with me! I looked at the page you linked. The sourcing there looks awfully thin to me. Instead of adding an image back, how about adding a sentence or two of text, linking to that page? When we put an image on the page, it seems to imply that this is something common. Do you know of any reliable sourcing about how common the practice really is? If you feel strongly about the image, I'd suggest starting a discussion on the article talk page, and an RfC if necessary. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:22, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the recommendation. I have added two sentences with a citation to a book and a link to the relevant article. I have also added a more conventional image. I hope you find this solution agreeable. Neelix (talk) 23:42, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks; that is a good solution, and I agree entirely. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:54, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Email[edit]

Can I email you? Alatari (talk) 10:10, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm extremely sensitive about privacy, so I do not do e-mail on Wikipedia. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:34, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Hi Tryptofish, have you ever thought of doing an RFA for yourself? I'd think you'd be an excellent admin. --Randykitty (talk) 20:03, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks so much! That is very kind of you, and means a lot to me. In fact, I've thought about it a lot, and been asked numerous times. I long kept my responses to previous requests at the top of this talk page, but recently got tired of looking at them, and archived them at User talk:Tryptofish/Archive 23#Adminship?. I more or less still feel the same way that I felt there, although I am also keeping the door open to changing my mind in the future. Every time someone asks me, I feel a little more like I should change my mind, but I'm not quite there yet. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:10, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
For a long time, I had a userbox on my userpage stating that I wasn't an admin and didn't want to become one, but then gradually changed my mind and finally went for it. Well, you know best when you're ready for it, but I'll keep an eye open for your future RFA and will be a certain "support" !vote. --Randykitty (talk) 20:25, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
That's very kind of you, thanks again. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:30, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
I already thought you were until I looked closely last night. Alatari (talk) 23:16, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

arbcom archiving[edit]

hey trypto - you seem to be wise in the arcane ways of arbcom. i wanted to check in on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment#Clarification_request:_Pseudoscience but that link goes nowhere, and i don't see archives on that page. i can see from the history here that it was archived (and find out what happened, which is what I wanted to know), but where did it go? thanks ! Jytdog (talk) 00:47, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

I went through the edit history of the ArbCom clerk who did the archiving, and it's at Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Pseudoscience. Apparently (I didn't know this before), the procedure is to archive requests for clarification on the talk page of the original case. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:17, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Historicity of Jesus new version[edit]

A user is going to ask for Dispute Res on the new version. He added 14 new sources that supposedly counter the consensus view of biblical scholars. Weren't you involved in that page some time in 2012 or is that a memory glitch on my part? Alatari (talk) 01:19, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

No, I don't think that I was involved, at least not that I can remember. I am aware that this is a contentious content area, and I think I want to stay out of it. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:08, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Please restore my comments at WT:RFA[edit]

My comments at WT:RFA were not vandalism. Therefore, you had no basis for removing them.

Please restore them forthwith.

If you do not restore them within 1 hour, I will report you at WP:ANI. Sidney Pontoon (talk) 22:32, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

They were WP:NPA. No need to wait an hour, cf WP:BOOMERANG. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:34, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Content ~and~ 'Rules', please.[edit]

Thanks for the welcome[edit]

Kinda new in that I made my account like 7 years ago and never really used it until today, mostly just a passionate reader of Wikipedia. But I'm kind of interested in doing more detailed editing of G-protein coupled receptor since I have some free time on my hand and it would get me to learn while in the summer.Jerry911 (talk) 01:29, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

My pleasure, and welcome again. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:28, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

EW warning[edit]

Please note that you ware well past 3RR at Creation Museum and I suggest you self-revert your latest revert.

  1. [2] 20:24 18 Aug
  2. [3] 19:14 18 Aug
  3. [4] 18:50 18 Aug (largest revert in a sequence)
  4. [5] 23:38 17 Aug (end of extensive sequence of reverts)
  5. [6] 19:23 17 Aug

4 reverts in under 21 hours, 5 reverts in 25 hours. Cheers. Collect (talk) 21:37, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Your "technical self-reversion" is risible. [7] so this is going to ANEW Collect (talk) 21:58, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I think that you are pushing WP:BATTLEGROUND a bit too much. (And I find your use of the word "cheers" in this context to be sarcastic.)
1. I believe this is a justified edit per WP:BLP.
2. I have now self-reverted.
4. That was not a revert at all. I was changing a word that I had written to another word, per advice from an editor at WP:NPOVN.
So that leave me at 2 reverts and 1 BLP revert, according to your own list. And, in any case, I am not going to make any more reverts at that page or related pages (whatever they may be), so there is no need to prevent anything.
And I suggest that you not invite inspection of your own conduct.
--Tryptofish (talk) 21:59, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

For the record, the 3RR complaint was thrown out: [8]. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

ANI[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at ANI regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is EEng and edit warring. Thank you. —Bgwhite (talk) 07:36, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I've given my input there. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:36, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

Thanks for welcoming me! I'm actually gonna be more focused on video game articles, but I've been keeping violet gobie's for years and thought I'd take a look at the article. I think the pic I uploaded show's them off much better than the old one, don't you think? Kitty Kat Katarina (talk) 19:31, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that's quite an interesting fish! I'm afraid that video games are not so much of an editing interest for me, but welcome! --Tryptofish (talk) 19:49, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Note[edit]

Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Phineas_Gage - you might be tangentially involved in this. But I am pinging the others as well. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 06:19, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

I replied there, and I think that you have behaved very badly in opening this. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:22, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Still you do not understand COIN - you dismiss the endorsed return to COIN and it was you who threw accusations around and wanted EEng topic banned. This article is very important and EEng is a valued contributor, but I much rather have EEng in a supervisory editorial control and COIN is about coming to terms and moving forward. And calling for blocks and topic bans left and right is not productive, there is no "blockable" offense and you'd are aware that even I opposed the ANI block for EEng. Just what role do you play in this situation's resolution and what initiatives have you made to that effect? Has EEng not wasted hours of your time and derided all your opinions and thoughts the last time - and then gone on to insult you about it? It is embarrassing when that Phineas Gage article's errors are pointed out in real life - that EEng does not care and does not intend to give even 1000 words or to use the numerous non-Macmillan sources to their full effect. Even now, I am considering restarting that alternate version to replace the current one, but I don't suppose you'd be willing to assist in that collaborative project? ChrisGualtieri (talk) 22:31, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
I am sorry that you feel that way, but you are just plain wrong. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:38, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Am I? How? Is there or is there not a conflict of interest in editing a page dominated by references to materials co-authored by yourself and your colleague? ChrisGualtieri (talk) 22:50, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Let's see what other editors might say at COIN. Beyond that, I would prefer not to continue this discussion here. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:53, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
One more thing. Recent experience shows that the community is not really going to resolve this dispute, so either the dispute will quiet down, or the dispute will end up at ArbCom. If the latter happens, you ought to consider how you will look. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:56, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
You are being both rude and inaccurate. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:06, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Opioids article[edit]

I would like to know why you and another Wikipedia editor undid almost all of my edits (all factual, all with citations) on the opioids article. Right now, this article is very high level, reads like it is written by a pharmacist or someone involved in some way with pharmaceuticals (and the composition thereof). I was trying to add -- in a balanced fashion -- the many concerns with over-prescription of opioids and accidental addiction. Both the governments of Canada and the U.S. have declared opioid addiction a public health crisis -- why was this removed from the article? This is not an opinion, but a fact. I was careful to leave up all the discussions of how useful the drug can be, etc., but the public health information should be included here as well otherwise it is not a balanced article.

Also, this article is not plain language. I was trying (a first attempt) to do much more to make this article accessible to those who are not doctors, pharmacists, in chemistry, etc. It is a terrificly meaty article, but needs a plain language intervention.  : )

So, my question: how can I proceed to include all the information I know well on the issue if you and the fellow editor take it all down? What's the process? I've not had that happen to the numerous other edits I've undertaken over the years on Wikipedia.

I can see if what I was adding was controversial -- but it's not. It was all factual.

I can see one paragraph was left (of my edits), which I'm happy to see. But frankly, this article still reads like a pro-opioids piece, and there are many issues that are not adequately raised. (I'm not anti-opioids for the record).

So, again, I'd like to know the process for making edits to this page. Who is 'in charge,' so to speak.

Thanks if you can help.

kathleen5454

Kathleen5454 15:05, 20 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kathleen5454 (talkcontribs)

(talk page stalker) this discussion belongs on the article Talk page. i would be happy to join there. Jytdog (talk) 15:19, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Kathleen5454. As Jytdog said, I'm going to reply to this in more detail on the article talk page, if someone hasn't already started that discussion. But as for "who is in charge", the answer is a combination of "nobody" and "everybody". The process is described at WP:Consensus, and your opinion counts just as much as everyone else's does, and also no more than anyone else's does. Just so you know, it wasn't me who really changed what you had written; it was the other editor, and most of what I did was just to make some copyedits that did not change the meaning of what you wrote. Also, the other editor did not delete what you wrote, so much as move it to a different place on the page. That editor's reason for those edits is explained at WP:MEDRS, and it has to do with Wikipedia's very strict policy (with which I happen to agree) that applies to anything having to do with medical information (in this case, the safety of opioid medications), and requires that the sourcing must be from peer-reviewed evaluations of the scientific literature published in medical journals and the like, and not general interest news sources. The other editor moved part of what you wrote out of the section about drug safety, and into a new section about government regulation, so that those sources would not be used in a section of the page about how the drugs are used medically. I hope that explanation helps. And I agree that it is important that the page include coverage of the problems with overuse and misuse of opioids, so long as medical information is presented in conformance with WP:MEDMOS and WP:MEDRS. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:17, 20 September 2014 (UTC)


Much appreciated response. I clearly have more learning to do, re: the technical side of things since I've clearly misread a few things. Apologies -- and I'll try to remedy this before I edit further. I've edited dozens of smaller articles or created new ones, but nothing so technical with so many players. I may bug you for some help as I progress, but I'll read up on the guidelines further first when I get a moment. I'm hoping to edit a variety of health policy pages where I have expertise. Thx again.

Kathleen5454

Kathleen5454 16:29, 24 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kathleen5454 (talkcontribs)

Kaldari sockpuppet investigation[edit]

I wonder if you might weigh in on the Kaldari sockpuppet investitation (Kaletony is a possible sock) that I initiated. What motives folks may have re this is a tad confusing to me -- perhaps you have better insight re this? Thanks Memills (talk) 15:28, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:34, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Review[edit]

Thanks for the review. Hebrew Warrior (talk) 00:08, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

You are welcome, of course, but it's no big deal. It's just that when somebody creates a new page (in this case I think it was your user page) it gets checked by someone else to make sure that it isn't vandalism. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:15, 28 September 2014 (UTC)