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You clearly deserve this award, especially for this. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 06:39, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit to Workers Party[edit]

I refer to your edit to the Workers Party page in which you claim the organization split from Sinn Féin in 1970. This is factually incorrect. A group led by Ruairí Ó Bradaigh and others lost an important vote at the 1970 Sinn Féin Ard Fheis. As a result they walked out of the conference and retired to another hotel where they set up another organization also claiming the name Sinn Féin. This breakaway group was reffered to in the media as "Provisional Sinn Féin" or Sinn Féin Kevin Street to differentiate between it and the majority (at the time) Sinn Fein which they referred to as "Official Sinn Féin" or Sinn Féin Gardiner Place. The latter later changed its name twice and eventually became the Workers' Party. This is a historical fact. The breakaway group was the one which now claims the name Sinn Féin, not the other way around. Coolavokig (talk) 11:36, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

The party was referred to as the Provisional Sinn Féin by their political opponents and critics in the media, the same way as Fine Gael is referred to a Blueshirts by political opponents and elements within the media, does that mean their actual name is the Blue Shirts? No it does not. The latter does not "claim" the name Sinn Féin, they ARE Sinn Féin, ask anyone on the street or look up the electoral register in the 26 and 6 counties. Denying it is futile and only highlights ones political bias. ÓCorcráin (talk) 13:34, 17 July 2013 (UTC)


My great-grandfather was Protestant AND proud to be Irish. Most Unionist would not believe us that "they" exist :P (PS, pretty much on your side - I don't consider you anti-Bwitish.", but try and relax lol? Have an awesome day).-- (talk) 14:50, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks man. Its just that sometimes the petty, stupid narrow-minded ulta-nationalistic attitude of some people here who have the audacity to consider themselves editors infuriate me. Sometimes my temper and intolerance for such things get the better of me. :)
Yo! I finally made an account because I was sick and tired of seeing comments on my IP talk-pages totally unrelated to me...aka, other people on the same IP-range as me up to no good! (The straw that broke the camels back was some warning today about Vandalism on a football club I've never heard of, and someone trying to cause arguments with a user I've never heard of!) About your response above...I understand you, but be cool. :) I left a message here for you too: [1] I hope you find it enlightening.--Somchai Sun (talk) 21:15, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution[edit]

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]


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Thanks for your note. Although I see that I'm listed as a party to the dispute, the discussion is formatted in such a way that there does not appear to be any space where I am permitted to comment. I don't know whether this is because it has not been formatted correctly or because of the vagaries of the process. If you let me know when I can comment, then I might do. Formerip (talk) 19:14, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Will fix that, sorry about that. ÓCorcráin (talk) 20:37, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Michael Gambon.[edit]

Well you're right I suppose - there really was no formal consensus agreed on the talk page, the only thing one could agree on is that there was a heck of a lot of mess and bitterness. Most of the editors wishing to change it to just "English" did so on the reasoning that M.Gambon had described himself as English (in a very off-hand and humorous way) in his most recent interview at the time. You've now found a source where he describes himself as Irish which is more up-to-date than the interview where he describes himself as English, so it would be hypocritical of them to oppose your change. Hope I am making sense. (Also on Talk:Fianna Fáil I meant to cause no offence, if I did) --Somchai Sun (talk) 22:57, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey man don't worry about it. I'm always happy to inform I'm sorry if I came across as harsh, if I did it was unintentional. You are making perfect sense, I just hope some of the other editors see it from that same perspective also. ÓCorcráin (talk) 23:57, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
It's cool then, and I'm glad I made sense! Sincerely I was worried I wasn't. --Somchai Sun (talk) 14:51, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello, from a DR/N volunteer[edit]

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This is a friendly reminder to involved parties that there is a current Dispute Resolution Noticeboard case still awaiting comments and replies. If this dispute has been resolved to the satisfaction of the filing editor and all involved parties, please take a moment to add a note about this at the discussion so that a volunteer may close the case as "Resolved". If the dispute is still ongoing, please add your input. The Historian (talk) 17:06, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

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Irish Troubles articles.[edit]

Hi there, I see you're quite recent to the Wiki. I need to let you know that it's really easy to get yourself in trouble over Irish articles which are to do with The Troubles and similar periods in modern Irish history. Personally I've had more warnings and people shouting at me than you can shake a stick at. If you run into any trouble or want advice gimme a shout at my talk page and I'll try to help.

O'Corcrain sounds very Portadownian btw. ;) SonofSetanta (talk) 16:11, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Haha thanks lad, I'm actually from Munster some I am not very Portadownian, Ó Corcráin is the Irish for Corcoran so I use it. :)
Shows you how good my Irish is eh? Are there any flying columns still operating down there? Only joking, I know the area well from doing business in Cork and Kerry for many years and staying down there frequently. SonofSetanta (talk) 12:20, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

BTW I noted your edits on the Michael Collins page and I can see straight away why you were reverted, even though what you wrote was true. When you make statements like that on any article, especially on Irish articles, you've got to back your words up with references from books or from reputable online sources. If you look in Richard English's "Irish Freedom" I think you'd find the quotes you need. SonofSetanta (talk) 16:18, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Cheers, I was accused of being POV when I wrote that Michael Collins segment, which was not true, I was not being critical or using any emotive words just the facts. Will have to provide a ref next time I'm on it! ÓCorcráin (talk) 23:48, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes your facts were correct. I would reference them for you but I'm surrounded by books on military history at the moment, working my wee cotton socks off writing about the UDR. Trying to get the main page up to A Class. It takes time to get used to the way you need to do things here mate but there are plenty of us around who will help. Plenty of Irishmen too, like you and I. SonofSetanta (talk) 07:06, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
I've seen your edits on Provisional Irish Republican Army. You could be reverted there because you're dumbing it down too much I think. The issue of ethnic cleansing is a very sensitive one - jaysus what am I saying - the whole article is ultra sensitive. Be very careful though. You've changed a quote by Professor Richard English to your own version regarding the sanctioning of sectarian attacks, and although you're right about the Belfast Newsletter being unionist - the Irish Independent isn't. Some of these attacks were carried out by the South Armagh Brigade and with them having a senior member of the army council as their head it's very difficult to claim that any of their attacks were "unsanctioned". Although I've just changed it so that it reads better by putting in a word you missed I still think you're going to get reverted and if you are I'd take step back and think about it. Come on over and take a look at Ulster Defence Regiment. It used to be a battleground too but now all the facts are there (I hope) without any of them assuming more than their relevant importance and overshadowing the real meat of the article. All of us have got to be really careful when editing in anything about the Troubles and anybody's part in them. Remember - no article is ever static because as new information emerges it gets edited in. If the IRA WERE guilty of ethic cleansing then that's got to stay in until new information emerges that proves for definite that they weren't. It's the same with the UDR: if they had rogue elements who colluded with loyalists then that's got to be there but neither fact should take on a significance in the article beyond what it merits because articles have got to maintain a certain length, so you can't take half a page to talk about ethic cleansing by the IRA or collusion by the UDR, nor can you dumb it down. SonofSetanta (talk) 08:02, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
But they are just allegations as far as I can see. ÓCorcráin (talk) 11:52, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm in no position to say it's true, or if it is whether or not it was sanctioned by the army council. All I can say is the same as anyone else: that the accusation has been made by some pretty eminent people like Henry Patterson, Professor of Politics at the University of Ulster and his counterpart at Queen's University; Professor Richard English. I know English's work better as I've got some of his books here and he does give serious consideration to the concept of ethnic cleansing along the border, particularly in Fermanagh and South Armagh. Obviously the unionist controlled media like the Belfast Newsletter are going to make a serious meal out of such accusations but that doesn't mean the allegations are untrue. I'm pretty sure Eamon Collins mentioned it in his book "Killing Rage" too. I know Collins isn't held in high regard in Republican circles and I personally found his book to be full of hysterics (the guy had a mental problem in my opinion) but again that doesn't make it untrue. So in this case I would put personal sentiment to one side, swallow the pill and don't try to dumb the accusations down with what is referred to here as [weasel words]s. Read the links other people have added and try to reconcile yourself to the fact that no organisation, official or unofficial, is perfect. Do me a wee favour. Drop me a line at Special:EmailUser/SonofSetanta and I'll be a lot more frank with you. SonofSetanta (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


I've seen your comments elsewhere and, if I didn't know it already, I can see you're a wee bitty pee'd off with your experience of Wikipedia so far. Don't be - stick with it. You learn by interacting with people already here and we all had to do it. My personal view is that we need many more editors who are brave enough to venture into articles concerning Irish nationalism and Irish republicanism, as well as articles on the various periods of troubles in modern Irish history. We need more neutral views from editors who are prepared to consider their input and make judgements about the neutrality of an article's perspective. For too long we had various factions of unionist and nationalist/republican who did nothing but fight over articles to establish their own POV. That seems to have stopped now but as far as I can see there are far too many articles left on Wikipedia regarding the subject which are so badly written and so full of partisan comments. Irish Nationalism is one I looked at the other day - you'd think it was written by a 15 year old IRA supporter and that's not the right message to send out to people about Irish nationalism.

Please do as I asked - e-mail me on Special:EmailUser/SonofSetanta and I'll start a dialogue with you that will guide you through the minefields and help you get much more enjoyment and satisfaction out of using the wiki. SonofSetanta (talk) 11:49, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Old accounts[edit]

Would you mind placing {{retired}} on the user talk page or user page of your two old abandoned accounts. Also in order to avoid any future lost passwords enable the email function on this account. BTW don't create any more if you ever get blocked again--Cailil talk 23:28, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Also if you wish you can change your signature to include your old username - see WP:SIGNATURE--Cailil talk 23:31, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
Ok thanks. ÓCorcráin (talk) 23:34, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Good lord.[edit] got accused of being a sock of a British Nationalist POV pusher. Bet ya' didn't see that coming! Welcome back btw. The "Crap" on Seamus Heaney‎ probably wont come back again, I'm not sure why *some* editors (IP'S) insisted Co. Londonderry be mentioned in the lede...I just had to enforce IMOS, which I sometimes do (but mostly about the city xD), but still, I rather wish I hadn't bothered. --Somchai Sun (talk) 23:33, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks man. Haha, no I certainly didn't see that coming! The irony of it eh? No apology for the accusation since I have been told it is my own fault....anyway at least the mistake has been rectified.ÓCorcráin (talk) 23:38, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Tyrsóg, you are invited to the Teahouse[edit]

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Welcome back[edit]

Nice to see you back. Instead of getting the hump this time when things go wrong contact one of us for support. I'm certainly willing to give you a hand until you find your feet. SonofSetanta (talk) 09:17, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks man, will do.ÓCorcráin (talk) 16:53, 3 September 2013 (UTC)


Nice to see you around again. I went over to the O'Toole article as soon as I heard he died to check the death update (I am active on ITN, so it's pretty important to make sure it's OK) and well...yeah...I believe Haldraper was acting in good faith btw. He updated the source for Irish as well. (Ha, I just found out that I'm entitled to Cypriot citizenship, hahaha) --Somchai Sun (talk) 18:11, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Nice man! Yeah I kind of jumped the gun there. ÓCorcráin (talk) 22:51, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi, as well. NO offense, but you can't claim the middle name is disputed in the metadata then change it to Seamus, using a link which confirms ("Peter James O’Toole was born in County Galway") the middle name of James ([2]). If you try the link with the middle name Seamus (i.e. [3]) it doesn't even work. Yours, Quis separabit? 23:51, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
More reliable sources depict his middle name as Seamus not James although James is an anglicised version of Seamus. Please stop changing the lede, it is wrong to call him British-Irish, he may have been a British citizen but he was Irish, it is not appropriate or encyclopedic to tie the two together like "British-Irish", you can mention further in the lede that he was a citizen of the UK/British citizen. ÓCorcráin (talk) 00:00, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Look, if you are not going to read what I wrote here, why should I bother? I was/am referring to the middle name, which you keep changing back to Seamus when the link you are using confirms that James was his middle name at birth, and you have no provided no evidence that he ever legally changed it. I am not going to violate 3RR so I will change the middle name back tomorrow if it hasn't already been done by then by someone else. Quis separabit? 00:02, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
You misunderstand me, I am not making any more change to the middle name, I would rather see a consensus for the middle name issue as to whether his middle name was Seamus or James. ÓCorcráin (talk) 00:50, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]


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March 2014[edit]

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Your recent editing history at Saint Patrick shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

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If there was no consensus for the edit why did you revert it back? Also you said in your edit summary that the contentious edit in question regarding Romano-British is already on talk-page, no it is not, the edit-warring editor who keeps reverting back to his change without consensus refuses to discuss it. So I am going to revert it back once more for the day, although I think you share the same views as him and will simply revert it back. Tyrsóg (talk) 20:22, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
I reverted it because it's been like that for over a month and some portions, quite a bit longer. I also opened a talk page discussion. Seeing as you have broken WP:3RR, will you revert yourself or do I have to report you? --NeilN talk to me 20:34, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
There was no such discussion open, the one you did was on a completely different matter altogether, I have since opened one. Also you do realise that you never issued a warning to the other editor, is it because you agree with him or just forgot? Tyrsóg (talk) 20:42, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
The other editor has two reverts. If he had three today, he would have gotten the same warning. --NeilN talk to me 20:45, 15 March 2014 (UTC)