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CSD tag of John Sampford[edit]

Hello, I have noticed that you have tagged John Sampford for deletion under the A7 criteria. I have removed the tag as A7 only applies to people who have no claim of importance, and does not have to pass the notability standards, and being the manager of a sports team is a fairly good claim of importance. Thanks! Darylgolden(talk) 10:00, 21 May 2014 (UTC)


I want to call your attention to WP:CITEVAR, which indicates the citation style of an article should not be changed unless consensus for the change is reached on the article's talk page. Jc3s5h (talk) 15:56, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello. My guess is that you're talking about IBM 3081, where you bulk-reverted all of my recent edits, both citation formats and others. Yes, I see your point about WP:CITEVAR, although I'm slightly intrigued about your focus, since it doesn't appear that you've been an active contributor to that article. I've added {{Parenthetical referencing editnotice}} to the wikisource to lock in that old style more explicitly, and I've tried to reproduce all of my previous edits that did not involve the format of references to citations.  Unician   05:19, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
My interest dates back to using a 3081 before IBM had assigned a number to it. It replaced the 370 Model 168 we had been using.
As explained at Wikipedia:Editnotice, edit notices are created by administrators and are only visible when editing a page. They are not displayed to regular readers, who vastly outnumber editors. Jc3s5h (talk) 06:39, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Ah, we were using a 370/168, too, a Model 3 if I recall correctly. I don't know what it was replaced with next, but by the 1990s there was a 3090/VF in its place. Oh, and the edit notice on IBM 3081 should be working now.  Unician   03:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)


Hello — thanks for the extensive update of Security Administrator Tool for Analyzing Networks. Face-smile.svg I have a couple of questions based on the new content, if you have a moment.

  1. I noticed you changed the prose to past-tense, “SATAN was” rather than “SATAN is”. I'm not challenging that, and don't plan to change it back — that's probably the more common usage — but I'm curious about that perspective. SATAN has not been updated in almost twenty years, but it can still be downloaded and it can still be run. So why does one say “SATAN was” but “Mona Lisa is”? Mona Lisa has been “abandoned”, receiving no new content from its creator, a lot longer than SATAN has.
  2. Do we need to add a longer copyright message to the SATAN logo file? Currently File:SATAN-security-scanner-logo.gif says that the logo is public domain, but the SATAN copyright page here doesn't release it to the public domain, it makes this statement:
Copyright 1995 by Dan Farmer and Wietse Venema. All rights reserved. Some individual files may be covered by other copyrights (this will be noted in the file itself.)
Redistribution and use in source and binary forms are permitted provided that this entire copyright notice is duplicated in all such copies.
I'm not an expert on copyright, but this seems to suggest that we ought to change the “public domain” part to instead reproduce the copyright notice from the SATAN page. Any thoughts? Or should we run this past a Wikipedia authority on copyright? I know that using non-free images is a big red flag on Wikipedia, and I'd really like to keep that logo on the page.

 Unician   07:07, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Two reasons.
A. I don't find the comparison of software to paintings very meaningful in this context. Software is meant to be run, whereas static works of art from the 1500s were meant to be looked at. Software that is no longer being run because it's been replaced by other newer software is out of date, in my opinion.
B. Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a catalog of software, the purpose of a page like this is to explain the overall relevance of the article topic to the world. In the case of SATAN, here, the relevance is principally that it was one of the first widely known network scanners, that it garnered a lot of attention (national magazine cover, DOJ threats, etc). and that it then led to a generation of successive software. The fact that it is no longer in use is pretty relevant, and to talk about it in the present tense as if it were still used would be misleading, IMHO.
I'm no expert either, but your suggestion makes sense. I can't figure out how to modify the page, so please feel free to paste that in. Thank you for the thoughtful feedback.

Jm3 (talk) 23:06, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Rajeesh menoth[edit]

Hi, I didn't delete Rajeesh menoth under WP:CSD#A3 because it did have content at one time; however, the sole author (prior to your {{speedy deletion-no content}}) was also the person who had removed all content, so I deleted it under WP:CSD#G7. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:23, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

OK, that looks fine, thank you. Face-smile.svg The article creator seems to have switched that previous content to a new (but very similar) article title via a copy-and-paste “move”, and another editor has marked the new title as WP:A7. Oh, and both seem to be auto-biographical. I hope this young person doesn't suffer any identity theft ill-effects after posting personal information such as their exact date-of-birth.  Unician   11:05, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

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Fixed.  Unician   09:15, 5 June 2014 (UTC)


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Fixed — thanks, BracketBot  Unician   19:10, 23 June 2014 (UTC)


Ikin is back; I've scoured the history. DS (talk) 20:12, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't know that was an option — thanks!  Unician   21:26, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
It was only an option because you and the other editors had added so much material. So... good work! DS (talk) 23:51, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

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Total prat[edit]

What a total prat you are. Giano (talk) 11:51, 29 June 2014 (UTC)


If an editor blanks a page, and no other editor has contributed substantially, then it should be deleted under G7. So why did you replace the content of Bune District here? It turns out to be a straight copy of Buni Zom, and blanking it was one of the editor's more sensible edits. PamD 06:43, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

The author of Bune District created the page, then blanked it only 28 minutes later, which seemed very odd. The page history showed that the pre-blanking content looked like a well-formed article, and the blanking itself had no edit summary, making it unclear if that action was deliberate or an accidental mis-edit which could lead to unintentional speedy deletion. Knowing that a deletion would not be trivial for the author to revert, I asked the author about the unusual blanking (here) and reverted the blanking as a precaution, knowing that my own edit would be trivial to revert, and leaving a well-formed article in the meantime — in other words, erring on the side of caution. Since the author never replied to my question, and since Bune District is a near duplicate of Buni Zom, I have no reason to contest speedy deletion now. If it would help the deletion procedure, I can revert my own edit.  Unician   07:32, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

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CHECKWIKI edit[edit]

Inquiring about this CHECKWIKI edit. From the reader's perspective the only visible effect is the removal of a useful color key from the bottom of the table. Please educate me, how does this improve the article? Mandruss (talk) 12:47, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

I've changed that back. There seem to be two issues on a bigger scale than this edit. One, which is minor, is that the color chosen for concurrency rows may be too pale to be obvious. (It wasn't obvious to me.) The other, which is not as minor, is that explicitly starting a table in an article's wikisource, but then closing it inside a template, makes it hard to scan for tables which are really broken, which may be why CHECKWIKI has such a huge backlog of reported broken tables. I imagine that editors are reluctant to tackle such a long list knowing that most hits will be false alarms and thus wastes of time. We may need to add some new mechanism to help CHECKWIKI with that, and so help editors use their time effectively. Anyway, all of that is beyond the scope of this article and this edit. Thanks for pointing this out!  Unician   23:17, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

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