User talk:Vassyana

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Stubsensor

As a previous volunteer at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stubsensor I though you might like to know there is a new set available for work at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stubsensor/20100826. Hope to see you there. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 10:51, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Mediator?

I have filed a mediation request on a policy matter, specifically WP:UNDUE as it relates to the guideline WP:ONEWAY here. I'm almost totally ignorant of the process, but the mediation page suggests that a mediator be solicited to referee. Would you mind taking a look at it and consider filling that role? Or perhaps suggest someone who might? Tom Reedy (talk) 20:08, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

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We miss you!

Where are you? The project needs you... :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:50, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

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Welcome back

Very happy to see you back here. I was getting a little worried about you. :) Anyhow, welcome back, and let me know if I can help with anything. Happy editing. :) MastCell ^Talk 19:25, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. :) Nice to know that I'm still welcome around the joint. I should be around on and off. If I can help with anything, let me know. Vassyana (talk) 00:38, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Yay! Good to see you! :-) KrakatoaKatie 06:47, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back! T. Canens (talk) 18:58, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Nice to see your name pop up in my watchlist. :-) Risker (talk) 19:07, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Indeed :) You were missed! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:14, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes indeedy. Welcome back. PhilKnight (talk) 22:28, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Ditto. Ncmvocalist (talk) 00:35, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks all for the generous thoughts. If you could use my help for anything, just drop a talk page message. Cheers! Vassyana (talk) 05:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Template

Please stop adding {{religious text primary}} indiscriminately to all articles on religious topics. An article that describes the contents of a religious work, or narrates the outlines of a religious myth/story, is not automatically using a religious text as a primary source. For one, you can find the same contents described in hundreds of "secondary" works, and for another, it's quite routine for film articles to have plot sections that aren't accused of using the film as a primary source. In any case, definitely don't use the template unless the article is actually citing the text as a source. If the article has no sources, tag it as unreferenced (if you really think tagging improves articles, which I doubt), not with this false tag. Shreevatsa (talk) 19:25, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I am not adding them indiscriminately. I believe that every article I have added it to uses the texts to make a point, goes beyond a simple description, and/or leaves a reader confused about the topic. These are all instances that require secondary sources to clear things up and remove inappropriate editorial commentary. If you feel a tag was mistakenly added to a particular article, please point it out to me. Vassyana (talk) 19:35, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Sure. Nearly every article you've added the tag to seems to be a mistaken use of the tag. I hope you understand that not having a source (and Wikipedia is full of such articles, which need to be improved, sure) is not the same as actually using a religious text as primary source — in fact, it precludes it, by definition. For some particularly absurd (but representative) examples:

• Nighantu — this is a collection of words and meanings: literally, a glossary (useful for interpretation of religious verses, but not a religious text itself). Pray point out what religious work is being used as a primary source?
• Yellow Emperor — what part, exactly, uses a religious text as primary source?
• Matsya Purana, Gajendra Moksha, etc. — The former describes its contents (pretty much as a secondary source does), the latter tells a story. How do you know that it actually uses a religious text as primary source? In fact this is quite unlikely: the religious text that contains the Gajendra Moksha story is in archaic Sanskrit verse; almost surely whoever wrote the article read a secondary source, or just wrote the story with no source at all (and in fact it differs from the "original" story in minor respects).
• Katha Upanishad — there is already a list of sources used, all secondary sources. What basis do you have for your strong claim that a primary source was used? (This is far-fetched; in all probability, no Wikipedia editor actually reads these works. :p)

I reiterate that your actions are not helpful. Of course some articles need improvement, but that doesn't mean your pet tag applies everywhere. If you actually have a particular sentence or section that you feel is unclear, remove or tag just that section or sentence (with whatever tags are appropriate); don't further confuse editors as well as to why your tag is there. Shreevatsa (talk) 20:05, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

PS. Maybe you should consider tagging all non-religious articles like Hogwarts staff and List of supporting Harry Potter characters first, for using texts as primary sources. Shreevatsa (talk) 20:12, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Nighantu (and Yaska's commentary) is as much as a religious text as the Hadith of Islam or the Talmud of Judaism. It is explanatory material and while much of it has a secular purpose, it is also religious material and firmly part of the accompanying religious tradition. However, to avoid any further conflict, I will stick to more blatantly religious sources. As for the Yellow Emperor, take the first two paragraphs of achievements as the examples. The sources cited are a student's picture book of traditional religious history and the Yellow Emperor's Classic itself; that is, the first two paragraphs are entirely sourced from Chinese religion. Katha Upanishad, you are correct. If I've made other errors of that sort, please point them out to me.

On the others, if there is a secondary source being used, it needs to be cited. Otherwise, there is simply the religious text quoted and/or alluded to with no other source indicated. This indicates a need for cited secondary sources. Your argument about the appropriateness of the tag could be said for any other article tag. I'm not applying it "everywhere". I've applied it to a few religious areas and a tiny fraction of articles in any given topic. I really don't see the problem is adding a tag asking for secondary sources for religious articles citing religious sources that need secondary sources to clarify the matter or justify the observations made. Vassyana (talk) 23:12, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

You regularly tag articles {religious text primary} saying they need more secondary sources. Considering you tag Sophia (Wisdom), which has 77 references (plus a bibliography), and, (so far), literature, philosophers, abstract concepts shared by both philosophical and religious taoism, culture heros, mythical deities, numerous dragons, fictional characters, abstract concepts... and in the case of an actual religious text, you tag the classic collected commentaries plus reader's digest version, regardless of it being secondarily sourced to Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. There's no reason to entertain the notion that you're not tagging indiscriminately. I hope you'll at least switch to a plain {primary} template.

You don't have to explain yourself, but aren't we all hearing: text about religious, esoteric or spiritual subject matter is primary religious text because it's part of the body of literature (text) regarding the subject. Furthermore, each editor should be at liberty to disregard normative categorization of the subject matter (disregard WP category, templates, etc.) as well as the current article text, if it includes any explanation apart from those of the editor's preferred "third" party, at their sole discretion?

An editor can thus announce a WP article is "religious text" in a big box right at the top of the page, both cautioning the reader to expect an article based on a single source, and encouraging third, (or maybe fourth, fifth etc.) party sourcing.

I'm sure that in no way describes your intentions... it's just that lacuna between someone asking you to stop, when you don't even have to explain yourself.

There are still quite a few I haven't had time to review yet. Where appropriate, I've included a generic {primary} tag (below the "fold", where the references are).

I've found three articles where your use of the tag was not implausible at first blush, however, with a little more research, either the "religious" or the "primary" part, (or both), just weren't applicable... (which I attempted to clarify in my edit summaries).

The vast majority of the articles you've tagged were not at all plausible. Your edit summaries were very terse, sometime referring to an unspecified source problem, and generally either ignoring secondary sources or just saying that more were needed. A few of your remarks on neopagan articles were less generic... I'll try my best to keep the faith and encourage you, in the future, to use a plain {primary} template, or better still, to post your analysis and suggestions for improving an article on its talk page.

We're all biased to edit the articles in which we're interested, but is narrowing in on the prolific tagging of "religious text" the way to go? Anyway, everyone's help and advice is much appreciated.—Machine Elf 1735 (talk) 15:45, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Answering your comment at the AE

Hi,

I have tried to better explain my request at the AE (it was not about a violation of the topic ban sanction but other issues included in that sanction. Also, I have realized that Justin/Monster had fought in Gibraltar articles a couple of edit wars where I had not been involved, so I've added the diffs to the request. Finally, I tried to provide some section links (not too good, I'm afraid, it's been a very long and heavy discussion...) You can check all of this if you want[1]. Thanks! -- Imalbornoz (talk) 16:52, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Virginia Tech Massacre

If a source said "the terrorists cut his head off" and the WP writer said "the terrorists decapitated him" you wouldn't go change it because the source didn't use the word "decapitated". If you would in fact change that, you don't understand WP:OR. Exorcism is along the same lines. The words used in the sources are the exact definition of exorcism. It's a synonym. Geĸrίtzl (talk) 22:28, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Somehow I missed this, but it's really quite simple: 1) Some of the sources do not talk about the subject of the article or the individuals involved. 2) Some of the sources are not at all clear about what kind of help and counseling was being sought. We should not include 1) because they are not sources addressing the topic. We should not put words in the mouth of 2), for obvious reasons. --Vassyana (talk) 03:42, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

You're back!

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--Xavexgoem (talk) 02:27, 15 December 2010 (UTC) :-D

Hey, welcome back! --JN466 03:24, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

AE

So, ArbCom says I am allowed to out your personal information, and now apparantly I can question your competence with impugnity. I will be sure to take advantage of this next time I wish to win an editing argument. You wonder why I have no major mainspace edits lately? Because the lunatics are running the asylum. --Narson ~ Talk • 10:10, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

The person in question had their account renamed. Their entire editing history with the previous name remains intact. Requests were not made regarding identity until well after the fact. The history under that identity is not secret and was relevant to the matter at hand. One cannot describe the justification for the arbitration case and the editor's history without mentioning that public, prior username. How is that the nefarious outing of personal information?

I am aware of the competence questioning. See my responses to WCM and Richard. Vassyana (talk) 17:54, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, the outing comment is in reference to an event back during the original ArbCom in relation to GibNews where one editor repeatedly outed another (or tried), including at the ArbCom evidence and ArbCom neglected any sanction. I think there is no better evidence for what I feared allowing Imal and Richard to get away with it while punising Justin would achieve, they move to tighten things further. Their purpose is to block him from contribution, not to work collectively and your ruling unwittingly promotes this harmful approach. --Narson ~ Talk • 00:48, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I'm sorry. I misunderstood what you meant about outing.

I worked with recent history. I looked a bit back and a bit over the long term history. I'm aware of who's who. Sanctions are supposed to be preventative. That is, there should be a pressing reason *now* to impose a sanction. Should Richard, Imulbornoz, or other editors rekindle edit wars, act with disruptive hostility, or so on, then I will step in again or ask another administrator to look at the matter.

If you really want to help the situation, help WCM stay productively focused and help him work with the dispute resolution process. If a new problem or recurrence of disruption occurs, please let me know. Vassyana (talk) 00:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

New proposal regarding WMC

Hi,

Could you explain a little more the new sanction proposal? I am ready to accept softer sanctions on WCM than the ones in your earlier proposal, but I'm not sure what you are exactly proposing and how it would work (e.g. what is 0RR?).

One of my main worries is that I don't think WCM did get the message the last time (other than avoiding extremely uncivil behavior), and the editors closer to him don't see much wrong in his behavior either. Also, he has shown several cases of very temporary redemption in the past. So I think this time the sanction should be able to really be able to drive the message home, even if we are considering softer sanctions. Thanks! -- Imalbornoz (talk) 18:44, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

0RR is mainspace editing permitted with no reverts. I would expect any further disruption to be handled with escalating sanctions. Vassyana (talk) 18:53, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

OK, I will support any sanction you propose to help improve WMC's behavior (that's my main worry). Hopefully, if you are able to drive the message home and -at the same time- I and Richard Keatinge accept softer sanctions on WMC, he will change his ways, view us in a better light and reduce the tension in the article... I really hope so. Thank you very much for your intervention! -- Imalbornoz (talk) 21:41, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Reply

Would you be prepared to mentor my interaction on Gibraltar?

May I request a modification of your remedy, a general 1RR restriction on the article. I have a problem with 0RR. During my topic ban I frequently noted vandalism on the article from the banned user Gibraltarian. I would normally have simply reverted such vandalism, however, from June till my return no one took an interest in the article and it often remained there for days. 1RR would allow me to revert vandalism. Wee Curry Monster talk 23:08, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

On further reflection can I ask for one more thing to be considered. That there shouldn't be any further references to past events for which I have sincerely apologised for. Wee Curry Monster talk 23:43, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I will not be a mentor. However, you are encouraged to ask for advice and quite welcome on my talk page. I'm going to keep my eye on the Gibraltar articles and try to keep things on track. As far as older behavior, if you are staying clear of problems, I would consider bringing it up to be obvious baiting. As for the RR restriction, it's easy enough to explicitly state the exception for clear vandalism and obvious sockpuppets, as those are not usually considered under revert restriction rules. Thank you for the polite response and questions. Cheers! Vassyana (talk) 00:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Could I be slightly persistent and ask that there is a more explicit outcome. A 1RR would allow some leeway and I probably wouldn't be asking if there wasn't the history where a revert of a persistent vandal wasn't used to make a 3RR report. See Talk:ARA General Belgrano#Great Wrongs and Advocacy.

In addition, I would accept that past conduct should be brought up if there is a re-occurence. However, if there isn't, bringing it up is contrary to WP:CIVIL, given that other paries are aware of this, then clearly some sort of sanction would be warranted as it is clearly disruptive. It would help my peace of mind were a line to be metaphorically drawn in the sand. Again here I'm being persistent as the point was made in the past and this conduct has re-occurrred at WP:AE. Wee Curry Monster talk 01:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Gibraltar Discretionary Sanctions

Sorry? I have been mostly absent of Gibraltar-related articles in the last months (especially those considered controversial). Am I done anything wrong? I wasn't topic-banned in the arbitration case, but anyway I haven't been too active. In fact, my last edicion in Gibraltar-related articles was here to include the information about the death of the emeritous Gibraltar Catholic bishop. Was it controversial? Who's Wee Curry Monster? Many thanks for your understanding (but it's me the one that does not understand anything) --Ecemaml (talk) 11:50, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, I've read the links you're provided and it seems it's Justin A. Kuntz again :-(

With regard to me, I don't think that my edition in Bernard Patrick Devlin including information about his death is actually related to the articles Gibraltar and Demographics of Gibraltar and their associated talk pages. I haven't been active in such articles (or discussion pages in the past 30 days). Of course that I won't take advantage of it to edit in those articles, but I'd like to have sort of clarification. Best regards and, again, thank you for your time and effort. --Ecemaml (talk) 11:56, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

She is just making a blanket routine reminding to all editors that could remotely be covered by those conditions. Un aviso de rutina a todo lo que respire y que esté vagamente cerca del lugar de los hechos, vaya. It doesn't look like it's directed towards you. No parece que vaya dirigido a ti. --Enric Naval (talk) 12:03, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I sent the message to everyone who edited or joined discussions in the past month or so. It does not mean that you did anything wrong. It is a general notice. Vassyana (talk) 18:30, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

OK. Noticed :-) —Ecemaml (talk) 18:37, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Your closure of the AE thread

Vassayana, I don't think it was appropriate for you to close the AE thread yet. You closed it under the assumption that three uninvolved admins had declined my appeal, but MastCell was commenting in the wrong section of the thread. MastCell was not an uninvolved admin; he was one of the involved editors whom you contacted yourself in their user talk. [2] I asked MastCell in his user talk to move his comment to the apppropriate section, but he hasn't responded yet. I was about to move his comment myself when you closed the thread.

Thus far, only two uninvolved admins have commented, and the second (Xavexgoem) expressed the opinion that it was problematic how Mathsci and I were being treated unequally. If further discussion among uninvolved admins eventually decides to decline my appeal, I'll accept that, but it's too early to close the thread when only two uninvolved admins have commented and they don't entirely agree with one another. --Captain Occam (talk) 19:50, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I’ve just noticed your comment about this in MastCell’s user talk, saying that you don’t consider him involved. MastCell was one of the admins who originally sanctioned me and Ferahgo. Isn’t the whole purpose of an appeal that sanctions can be reviewed by a group of admins other than the admins who implemented them originally? --Captain Occam (talk) 19:56, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I will do two things to cover your concerns here.

1. I will post an ANI thread, neutrally worded, asking other administrators to add their two cents.
2. I will post in the Arbitration thread asking for clarification regarding the concerns about MathSci.

I hope that helps rectify your concerns. Vassyana (talk) 20:12, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but for the reason stated above, I still think the AE thread was closed prematurely. I think it would have been more helpful if you’d re-opened the thread so that uninvolved admins could continue offering their opinions there, rather than posting a new thread requesting their opinions at AN/I. --Captain Occam (talk) 20:52, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Question

What exactly is the question you're asking? I have no idea what you mean. Mathsci (talk) 20:45, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Are you aware of this set of "hypothetical" questions? User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#A_question_about_arbitration Mathsci (talk) 20:46, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Under what conditions will you involve yourself in related discussions and conduct enforcement? Vassyana (talk) 21:03, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I've sent you an email which might clarify some particular circumstances. You might want to ask the question in a different form once you've read the email. I hope this helps. Mathsci (talk) 21:15, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

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Just dropping in...

Hi, I hope all is well. It was very nice of you to stop by my talk page the other day. I didn't know if you saw I responded to you or not so here I am to let you know I did see you there. ;)

I also want to wish you the best for the holiday season. Have a wonderful Happy, Healthy Holiday! I hope you have a great New Year that makes all your wishes come true. I hope to see you around, the bionic woman :), --CrohnieGal^Talk 12:07, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Re: Talk:Gibraltar

Thank you very much for your help. I am looking for secondary sources that summarize the issue in a couple of paragraphs, but it's taking some time. Most of the sources I have seen don't have short summaries or are primary sources.

I keep searching. I hope to post a response tonight or tomorrow. Again, thanks for dedicating your time to help us out. -- Imalbornoz (talk) 16:07, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I hope that my intervention helps get things on track. I'm not going to let the matter go around in the same circles over and over again. I appreciate that this is a complex matter, but I do not believe it is the complexity of the topic that is causing the bulk of the problems. I sincerely hope that my active presence will help resolve those problems. If you have any feedback, concerns, or questions, please always feel welcome on my talk page. --Vassyana (talk) 01:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you and...

Thank you for the warning. However, I feel like someone needs to deal with vandalism somehow. For instance, please advice on how to deal with this change made today in spite of warning. I am not saying I will continue to edit war, all I'm asking for is some advice as to how you would deal with an issue like this if you were in my shoes. Thanks again. --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ^[talk] 14:26, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Also, as I mentioned on the incidents page, I would like to ask for a sockpuppetry investigation regarding User:Voiceofplanet, User:NebY and User:Alexandrian10, and their possible link to users such as User:Nableezy. I was wondering if you could help me file a request like this. Thank you. --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ^[talk] 15:02, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

For a variety of reasons, I am sorry but I must decline to become involved in the back and forth accusations of meat- and sock-puppetry. --Vassyana (talk) 15:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

First, that is not vandalism. That is a disagreement over wording and a citation tag. DO NOT call edits you disagree with "vandalism". They are nothing of the sort.

For that edit, you could (in order):

• Leave them a neutral and polite talk page message asking them to raise their concerns on the talk page instead of reverting.
• If it happens again, list out the recent (past few days or few weeks, depending on contribution level) diffs of reverting without discussion and ask an administrator to give them a warning to avoid reverting in place of discussion.
• If it happens a third time, bring it up for admins again. This time, note that you asked them to participate and that they were warned by an admin.

In addition to the above, you ought to raise the issue on the talk page and make a request for comments if they is no agreement or very few editors voicing opinions there. You can also raise issues on the appropriate content noticeboards (general content, original research, NPOV, etc). If there is discussion, but hard to come to any agreement, try getting a mediator to help out.

• The only "right version" is the consensus version of a an article. If someone persistently edit wars and reverts without participating in content discussions or as a weapon in content disputes, they will be topic banned and/or blocked for increasing periods of time.

I hope this helps provide a bit more guidance. If you have further questions or comments, please share them. I will most likely do my best to address them. --Vassyana (talk) 15:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you again. I will do exactly as you suggested. --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ^[talk] 15:28, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Egypt

Hello again!

Nableezy is not happy with the inclusion of the section on Coptic persecution in the article Egypt. First he removed the entire section under the pretext that it was restored by a sockpuppet (while in fact it was written by established users including myself). When I restored the section with its references, he is now putting in question pretty much all the references. Now he reverted it again for the second time, removing the entire section with all the references. Any advice on how you would handle something like this?

Thanks again for your help. --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ^[talk] 20:34, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

I think he outlines specific issues on the talk page and that you should address them. Do not get drawn into an edit war. Solve the matter on the talk page. If there is just disagreement, get some help to resolve it. Go to the reliable source noticeboard. Post a neutral list of articles and sources. Ask what outside editors think about their reliability. Go to the neutral point of view noticebaord. Ask if including certain events or topics is due weight. Give examples of sources covering the topic. Ask an informal mediator to help you reach agreement. Ask for input from the broader community. There are many methods to receive outside opinions and help to resolve disputes. Use them.

If people are being disruptive or tendentious, leave them a talk page message and politely ask them to work productively towards consensus with you. If the problem continues, neutrally ask an administrator to look it over. Be sure to attempt other dispute resolution before going to get an administrator, unless the behavior is really over the top.

I hope this advice helps you. --Vassyana (talk) 04:15, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello Vassyana. Please see the discussion at the talk page, the above user has not even attempted to address the issues raised, instead reverting in full and adding even more poor sources. I would like to avoid reverting as there will be no end with this user, but I am struggling to deal with such behavior. nableezy - 00:46, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Also, please see here. I believe you made a pertinent comment in the not so distant past. nableezy - 02:55, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

How exactly are CNN, BBC, der Spiegel, ABC News etc poor sources??? --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ^[talk] 20:55, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Let's cut to the chase here. Either Lanternix lacks the WP:COMPETENCE to edit here, or he is simply WP:POV pushing. The most recent example is his objection to Nableezy removing opinion pieces stated as unattributed fact from http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/12/21/ahmed.chane.christians.muslims/index.html "Christian Copts are under severe pressure and siege, and usually live in fear for their lives". Given the length of history with Lanternix here and his WP:IDHT [3], (see my post just above that for another example) I'm very skeptical this can be solved in any other way than his ejection from the project, because his approach to editing is fundamentally incompatible with WP:NPOV. How much wiki red tape that's going to involve is another matter. Tijfo098 (talk) 00:48, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

• Just noting that this has my attention. I am leaving for a labyrinth walk and Midnight mass. I will be back in a while. --Vassyana (talk) 03:52, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
  • I see this has been resolved, correctly in my opinion, by Sandstein. --Vassyana (talk) 21:08, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

AE

Vassyana, If you find any accusations against me actionable, I ask that I be given enough time to defend myself against them. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 11:25, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Agree. We cannot have a repeat of Looie496's course of action. Chesdovi (talk) 12:28, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

It's a holiday weekend and there are multiple editors under the scope. I'm not going to rush through anything. Everyone will be allowed a few days to respond to anything said. --Vassyana (talk) 03:39, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Good idea

[4] but please do not forget User:Nableezy. Warm regards.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:04, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Re: AE

Hi Vassyana! I support your initiative and believe it is positive. Usually I tread carefully in the I–P area, having edited many articles in this area myself. However, I am familiar with most of the involved users and can summarize the information provided. One thing we must keep in mind however is whether we are overstepping our authority within the confines of WP:AE in dealing with users who merely commented on the AE and were not directly involved in the incidents raised (if it comes to sanctions). Issuing warnings to any editor isn't a problem though. Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 23:16, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Imalbornoz

[5] Would you consider remarks like this helpful? Regards, Wee Curry Monster talk 23:36, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

See also [6]. This isn't discussion is it? Its baiting again. Wee Curry Monster talk 01:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

[7] And now edit warring with an edit summary that is clearly taunting. Wee Curry Monster talk 20:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

WP:AE

Dear Vassyana, I noticed that the arbitration request concerning me was archived without proper closure, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive79#Pantherskin. Could this be properly closed by someone? Pantherskin (talk) 16:14, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Poor arbcom rulings lead to edit warring

evidence on my talk page. If you wouldn't mind, could you comment with an eye to the open amendment request. jps (talk) 20:20, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Gibraltar

Hi Vassyana,

I hope your real life worries are nothing too serious, and they leave you time for this always interesting (but sometimes exasperating) Wikipedia.

Thank you very much for your intervention in the article. Now it looks like we could move on to the next phase, but I don't think we can do it ourselves. Could you please take a look and see if you can find some way to help us out?[8]

Besides, some comments have been made on the best method to ask for outside comments,[9] and I myself have proposed to try MEDCOM. As you know, our problem is to decide on which facts are worth mentioning in the article and which are best left to other main articles. But we don't seem to be able to agree on the facts nor the procedure to prioritize them. If you could leave some comment there it would be wonderful.

Thank you very much for your help! -- Imalbornoz (talk) 16:35, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Gibraltar Mediation

Hello Vassyana! I would absolutely be glad to have your assistance in the mediation process. It may be a good idea to just incorporate your efforts onto the mediation page; this would centralize all discussion and allow the feeling of 'mediation' to hover over your own resolution attempt.

At the present time I am still waiting for one editor to indicate acceptance on the case page. Once he signs on, the process will begin, and I would certainly have no problems with you helping out where needed. Best regards, Lord Roem (talk) 17:51, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh one more thing. If possible, when the case starts, would you be able to post a summary of the dispute and the positions of the parties (to the best of your knowledge as a third party)? That would be very helpful. Lord Roem (talk) 18:29, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Note that there are two different issues here, which makes things a little more complicated. The mediation case is for the issue of the wording of the paragraph discussing the capture of Gibraltar in 1704 in the history section (which is what most discussion has been on for the last two weeks - there are various proposals floating about, but this is relevant). The other process is related to a new overview of the dispute in the Politics section. Pfainuk talk 20:14, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Hopefully we will be able to resolve both conflicts. :) -- Lord Roem (talk) 22:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Which doesn't even include the problem with inaccurate portraying the role of various Government institutions in Gibraltar - such as the independent judiciary it has posessed since 1830. Wee Curry Monster talk 22:39, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Richard Keatinge

Not sure how to phrase this but could you please consider Richard Keatinge's statement in the MEDCAB case see [10]. This includes two diffs from statements made by User:Gibnews see [11] and [12]. Neither of which have any relevance to the discussion at hand and are not relevant to content. I have asked Richard several times to not drag up past comments, see User talk:Richard Keatinge/Archives/2011/January 2011#Suggestion. All too easily inclusion of those comments can be taken to infer the same motivation in those who disagree with him, its content that should be discussed not past editor conduct. Wee Curry Monster talk 20:25, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

It may be in poor taste, but I do not see it as particularly problematic. What he points out illustrates the point conversation has reached before and the dispute itself. I appreciate your concern, but I just don't see anything actionable here. If he derails discussion with claims about past wrongs or impugns current editors, I will step in. --Vassyana (talk) 21:47, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Shingo Kobayashi

Hi. I've removed the A7 you applied to Shingo Kobayashi. This article as been through an AFD that was kept as no consensus, and as such, is not eligible for speedy deletion. Cheers. -- Whpq (talk) 15:29, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I was using a Greasemonkey script to tell me if an article had previous nominations or not. It is apparently not working, so I will make sure to check the talk page for AFD notices. Sorry for the error and thank you for correcting it. --Vassyana (talk) 15:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

No problems. The AFD itself was a bit bizarre, and despite being an unreferenced BLP, got kept as a no consensus. -- Whpq (talk) 15:41, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Removing metadata from a redirected page

You have removed the Persondata from redirected page Salman Al-Moasher. Are you sure that this is correct? I have not found the answer in the help pages, but it seems reasonable to keep them, as they do not appear in the target page which is not a BLP. D.Lazard (talk) 16:23, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

It is my understanding, which could be mistaken, that no other content should be present with a redirect. In addition, the metadata template is only to be used on biographical articles, which a redirect is not. Thanks for raising the potential point of concern. If anything else catches your eye or worry, please let me know. Cheers! --Vassyana (talk) 16:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Ambarish Srivastava#Third opinion

Hi Vassyana. Would you keep an eye on Talk:Ambarish Srivastava#Third opinion (if you aren't already doing so)? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 09:24, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

As per your guidelines I had edited above article but spacemanSpiff reverted it. Please see the matter of reversion of my latest edit onTalk:Ambarish Srivastava#Third opinion. Regards:Spjayswal67 (talk) 18:43, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

I am waiting for your response onTalk:Ambarish Srivastava#Third opinion. Regards. Spjayswal67 (talk) 18:32, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Gibraltar mediation

When you get the chance, please jump to the mediation cabal case to write out a brief statement of the conflict as you see it and potential areas of compromise. You have a third-party view to the situation. Regards, Lord Roem (talk) 12:21, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Two quotes from recent comments at the mediation cabal:

"The short version, omitting the facts which embarrass one national discourse:"

It does nothing of the sort, this is a blatant bad faith accusation.

"The median version, including the facts important to one national discourse and rejected by the other:"

Again nothing of the sort, in both case I object to texts that favour one national discourse over the other either by omission or directly. Could you advise please, I think this is baiting again to get a response. Wee Curry Monster talk 16:56, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

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Jeff Merrifeld's book is a broad overview of the society based on his visits. If the page cited "Trilogy of the Initiate" -- now that would be a religious text reference.

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