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Want to contribute links to Ragas in Carnatic Music.[edit]


I have youtube videos of Carnatic Music raga introductions taught by reputed teachers in music, which I wanted to add to the Wiki pages related to ragas. Can I add these links in the section on arohana/avorahana or only in external links? I am new to Wiki and not sure where to add external links. I also have small excerpts of lessons taught in various ragas. Can these be added also?

Thanks Sowmya Acharya — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sowacharya (talkcontribs) 05:37, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Sowacharya: It is not encyclopaedic to add a specific person's links to Wikipedia as per Wikipedia guidelines. Each link should have encyclopaedic content, which is accepted as adding value to the article and without such "unique" information it would seem to lack some material. Clearly this is not unique links that you are planning to include.
If that information is available in abundance, one cannot choose A vs B vs C. It has to be mentioned as important by reliable sources, and should be notable, etc. For example, if we take Mohanam, we will have 100s of renditions on You Tube. Which one is considered as the "right one" to link? And who considers this as "appropriate"? If we talk of teacher's rendition - which teacher is considered to bring out the "right" example of Mohanam?
Hence there will be contention and also it is against Wikipedia guidelines. Please read external links guidelines as well as reliable sources, verifiability and notability concerns. I would suggest do not add ANY of them. Thanks. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 06:11, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

About inserting links for ragas[edit]


Thanks for your quick reply. I understand your statement in that how do we know which is reputed and not? These videos are taught by acclaimed teachers who are well regarded in the field . They very clearly establish the rules of the raga and would be a great resource for students of music. Since these are music resources, audio and video would help people get a better idea. Is there a way that the background of the person teaching the video can be established as reputed and therefore there would be no issues differentiating this from thousands of other amateurs who start making videos without any substance?

Thanks Sowmya Acharya — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sowacharya (talkcontribs) 07:54, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

@Sowacharya: I think you do not understand the subtlety of the issue. The person can be acclaimed and notable. You will agree there are 1000s of acclaimed and notable teachers. For example, every top artiste who is a teacher in current scenario are notable - don't you agree. One person will say Shri P S Narayanaswami's rendition should be included, another will say Dr. Balamuralikrishna's is the right one, while a third person will say that Madurai T N Seshagopalan's is the right version. Now there is NO way we can stop edit wars when one starts plugging in personal preferences.
The problem is not with "acclaimed" - the requirement for an encyclopedia is that it should be a unique resource that adds value. No teacher can claim that they have the "right" and "unique" reason for their own rendition to be included in Wikipedia while there are 1000s should not qualify / be represented in Wikipedia. Do you agree?
For example, please go through Carnatic music page where we have wars about who should be included in the page and who should not. Who is considered the father of this music and how much relative importance should be given to other stalwarts? By including any You tube links you are only inviting edit wars.
Personally, if I notice such importance to one person out of 1000s of great people, I will "boldly" remove such material added to Ragam pages. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 09:29, 16 February 2015 (UTC)