User talk:Vegaswikian

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Jr. comma RfC[edit]

You're invited to participate in the discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#RfC:_Guidance_on_commas_before_Jr._and_Sr. Dohn joe (talk) 02:15, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Closing on Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 January 26#Category:Orchids of Austria[edit]

First, thanks for stepping in and cleaning up the CfD backlog. I will disagree with your assessment of the discussion. Of course I !voted in that CfD, so I'm a bit biased, but I think the best assessment would have been no consensus. The objections are not based on how experts alone categorize plants. These categories are also used in lay publications -- books and articles meant for public consumption discuss and describe plants by their countries or other political boundaries. This system works well for Wikipedia, too. You also cited precedent -- sure, fauna categories have been consolidated for the European fauna categories, but this was the first flora one. The two are fundamentally different, because we have the World Geographical Scheme for Recording Plant Distributions and a long history of its use in Wikipedia (the Australian categories have been in use since 2006). I'd appreciate it if you could re-think the decision or at least take another look. Thanks, Rkitko (talk) 21:50, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I have no doubt you considered the discussion carefully, I just disagree with the outcome, especially when about even numbers of editors were on opposite sides (NB: I realize !vote counts don't mean much in XfD discussions). You should know that previous discussions going back to 2007 treated flora and fauna differently. Discussions on fauna resulted in upmerging while flora categories were left as they were. The rationale, if I recall correctly, was that there were more plants with restricted or narrow distributions. I didn't entirely agree, but the fact is that they're treated differently and have been for some time.
I acknowledge that lists articles do serve a good purpose, but they're different from flora categories. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. I can browse the List of flora of Ohio, but I use Category:Flora of Ohio for navigation among the articles we have on Ohio flora. Such a category hierarchy does serve the readers, contrary to your assertion. And since you brought it up, I fail to see how this argument doesn't also extend to landforms by country or country subdivision, such as List of rivers of Ohio and Category:Rivers of Ohio.
You said, "Basically if it is alive we categorize by continent..." -- No, that's not how it has been done until very recently when a small group of editors, maybe four or so, started bring fauna categories to CfD around a year and a half ago. And that's only for Europe. The vast majority of living organisms are categorized by country, not continent. Further, the arguments these editors make against country categories (e.g. their interpretation of WP:DEFINING -- criteria invented after the implementation of flora categories) can also apply to many global taxa, or those found on more than one continent. As I've said before, it's a matter of scale and usefulness; a continent category is useless and will be too large. This is why we diffuse to countries.
I can appreciate your judgement, but I feel quite strongly about this. I haven't been editing much anyway, so perhaps if this decision is then used as precedent for other flora category merges, I'll just drift away. It's been ten years, a good long run. Perhaps it's just time to move on anyway... Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 22:44, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

County Departments[edit]

Heyo! How's it going? I wanted to chat with you about the Category you added for Virginia. It is the only state in the US that has such a category. IMHO it is better to just have all the departments from a state be in the same category. I'm curious to hear your view? Why do you feel it is better to have a further broken down Category? --Zackmann08 (talk) 22:42, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Right on! For the record when I nominated it for deletion it was an empty category... But I hear ya! WP:CFD it is! Thanks. --Zackmann08 (talk) 23:11, 23 April 2015 (UTC)