User talk:Verbcatcher

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I like your additions with precision around Gardiner! - If you have questions, feel free to ask here, I will watch. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Estorick[edit]

I posted a request at Template:Did you know nominations/Eric Estorick. -- Jreferee (talk) 05:56, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I have corrected a typo in your nomination.Verbcatcher (talk) 06:01, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Eric Estorick[edit]

Given that this article is an example of what you can do now, I'd love to see your future efforts. The only comment that I'd make is probably pulling some of the information that is on separate lines into paragraph form, but that's pretty minor. Welcome!Naraht (talk) 14:42, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I agree about the short paragraphs, but I like to keep each paragraph on a separate topic. I hope to get more material to flesh out the existing paragraphs - I have more references to explore. I have also recently written the article on Frances Richards (artist) Verbcatcher (talk) 17:01, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Eric Estorick[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Re: Hermann Nonnenmacher[edit]

Thanks for assistance and comments. dnw (talk) 22:32, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

You have made a signification improvement: it looks and reads like a good quality article. Much better than I could do on my own.

dnw (talk) 23:06, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Query regarding images[edit]

The Nonnenmarcker article caused a chain of thought about a print I own, by Iain Macnab. I have improved the existing article.

Could you give your view on illustrating the article on Macnab with my own picture on a print we have. The only justification would be that it is a photo I have taken (no other rights issue), and 'fair use' which seems to be rather frowned upon but tolerated in certain cases? It always seems a great pity to discuss an artist but not show an image. the image is available here:

Also if you know your way about UK online newspapers would be able you find out what years was Macnab the president of 'The Royal Institute of Oil Painters' dnw (talk) 09:53, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree about the desirability of illustrations. I was pleased to be able to add images to James Dickson Innes and to Malacara. I found both these images on Wikimedia Commons, where someone else had taken the responsibility for posting. I have replied to your question on Talk:Iain Macnab, which seems the best place to discuss it.
I'll look in the UK newspaper archives to which I have access, but I'm not hopeful. I hadn't heard of 'The Royal Institute of Oil Painters', so it's probably not a high-profile organisation. Verbcatcher (talk) 13:54, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
I found obituaries in The Times and The Glasgow Herald, and updated the article with material from them. They both said he was President of the Royal Institute of Oil Painters, which I take to mean that he was president when he died. Verbcatcher (talk) 17:56, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Category:Members of 56 Group Wales[edit]

Category:Members of 56 Group Wales, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. DexDor (talk) 22:06, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

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List of Wales listed buildings[edit]

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Church near Talgarth[edit]

Good to meet yesterday. The church you mentioned is St Ellyw's Church, Llanelieu, and the article mentions the rood screen! Robevans123 (talk) 10:22, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that's it. I took some photos there recently - I'll see whether they are worth posting. Verbcatcher (talk)

Speedy deletion nomination of École Gratuite de Dessin[edit]

Hello Verbcatcher,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged École Gratuite de Dessin for deletion, because it doesn't appear to contain any encyclopedic content. Take a look at our suggestions for essential content in short articles to learn what should be included.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. WMartin74 (talk) 15:49, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

See my comments in User talk:WMartin74. Verbcatcher (talk) 16:32, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Cardiff Wikimedia Meetup #3[edit]

Would you be interested in coming to a Meetup of fellow Wikipedians – not in the pub you're thinking of writing an article about, but another Wetherspoon's – on Saturday? See here for info. Ham (talk) 21:32, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, not this time. Cardiff is my home town and I visit quite often, but I live near Cambridge. I might be at Wikimania 2014. Have fun. Verbcatcher (talk) 21:46, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

More YouTube moaning[edit]

Hi Verbcatcher. What's your view on videos at the BBC's own dedicated YouTube channel? Do links to these still break Wiki copyright policy? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:19, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm no expert. If in doubt post a question at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. However, I think it's ok to link to videos on the BBC's YouTube channel. Similarly, I recently posted a link to photos posted on Flickr by the National Library of Wales. If we have good reason to believe that the person or organisation posting holds the rights then its ok to link. We should be able to assume that reputable organisations such as these would not post copyright violations. Be aware that some sites only allow access to users from a limited list of countries. Linking to these is fine for citations, but probably not for External Links. Verbcatcher (talk) 15:12, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Many thanks. Yes, that's an interesting point about different countries having different access. Presumably in all cases the YouTube link would work but, depending on which country you are in, you might or might not hear/see something as a result. My particular bugbear is music companies who globally block material from their label, or of a given artist on their label, regardless of whether or not the company has deleted the work from their catalogue. I'm sure it's a much bigger problem for the artist concerned. Of course, that isn't a Wikipedia problem. It's just a YouTube/record company problem. But YouTube seems to be generally much more permissive now than it used to be - discounting the totalitarian pariah state that is Warner Bros, of course (.. oh dear that probably counts as defamation, had better stop now....) Martinevans123 (talk) 16:27, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
I have thoughts along some of the same lines. I'd like there to be some form of right of access to copyrighted material, along the lines of the right to roam on uncultivated land. However, we should try to achieve this by mainstream political means, and not by actions that might undermine the good guys such as Wikipedia. Verbcatcher (talk) 17:16, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Hear, hear! Except that in my case it's called the right to moan. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:48, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Default sort[edit]

Just a reminder that DEFAULTSORT is not a template, but a magic word, and uses a slightly different markup, involving a colon: eg. {{DEFAULTSORT:Penrice, Illtyd, Saint, Church}}, not {{DEFAULTSORT|Penrice, Illtyd, Saint, Church}}. — Paul A (talk) 04:57, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Paul A. The confusion isn't helped by title of the the article Template:DEFAULTSORT. Verbcatcher (talk) 17:32, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
The Template:DEFAULTSORT page was created because a large number of people were already getting confused, in the hope that they'd read it before trying to use the "template". Of course, there will always be people who apply templates without stopping to read the instruction page, but we like to think it's helped. — Paul A (talk) 00:51, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Castell Coch[edit]

I hope you like the re-wording. And my sincere apologies if I seemed a little possessive. A bad Wikipedia flaw. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 19:29, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

No apology is needed. It might read better with a one- or two-word description of Charles Handley-Read, such as "the architectural writer Charles Handley-Read wrote:".
On another topic, I'm thinking of improving Neath Abbey, but I can't find any evidence of the abbey ruins being a listed building. Where would you look? Verbcatcher (talk) 22:53, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Unfortunately, it's not quite as easy as one might hope. This site, British Listed Buildings Online (BLBO) [[1]] is invaluable, but it is now out of date, and is not being updated. For England, it has been superseded by the English Heritage database. But this only covers England. The BLBO page for Neath, which I've attached, does not appear to show any part of the Abbey as being listed. However, I'm almost certain it must be a Scheduled Ancient Monument, which is not the same as a listed building. And indeed it does appear on the Coflein site, which is the on-line database for the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Wales, here [[2]]. But this doesn't explicitly say it is Scheduled. I shall keep looking for you. P.S. Shall also contextualise Handley-Read - but doesn't everyone know who he was? KJP1 (talk) 17:35, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
This [[3]], linked to this, [[4]] tells us it is a SAM. Do you have access to John Newman's Glamorgan in the Pevsner Buildings of Wales series? Pages 463 to 471 inclusive comprise a long article on Neath Abbey. I could certainly add some information if you don't have a copy, or access to one, yourself. His article on Castell Coch in the same volume is also excellent, by the way. KJP1 (talk) 17:43, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
After I wrote my note I decided that Neath Abbey was probably a Scheduled Ancient Monument. Does this preclude it also being a listed building? I have found useful details of Neath Abbey here, which confirms SAM status. There is also useful material in Vol 2 of Stewart Williams' Glamorgan Historian. I hope to expand the article based on these sources and on Newman. I used Newman to expand Castell Coch#Early history; I was pleased to find the old engraving to illustrate this. Verbcatcher (talk) 18:46, 28 November 2014 (UTC)


Hi Verbcatcher.

I don't agree with all of one of your edits (Article after the edit). One person's "unnecessary and over-technical detail" may be of real interest to someone else (like me) and add some colour to an article. I would like to put some of the detail back in, but I might create a new article for the detail regarding Tomen yr Allt. What do you think?

Emerald (talk) 10:13, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

@Emerald-wiki: I removed (Tomen yr Allt, the caput of the commote of Mechain Uwch Coed in the cantref of Mechain) because I had to look up most of these terms to make sense of the phrase, and caput does not mention Wales. Presumably the meaning is equivalent to The central settlement in an Anglo-Saxon multiple estate. The reference I deleted probably justifies a change to caput to include Wales. We could have the central settlement of the commote of Mechain Uwch Coed in the cantref of Mechain, and maybe explain commote and cantref, but I still think this is too much detail.
I removed (or Cynfyn; Madog's fuller name would be Madog ap Maredudd ap Bleddyn ap Cynfyn) and Bell Lloyd inherited the house in 1758, but the work he had carried out resulted in huge debts, he died in the King's Bench debtors' prison in London in 1793 because I think these give too much detail in the context of an article on the town.
On reflection I would restore the name Tomen yr Allt, particularly if a new article is forthcoming. I will change the text to It is likely that a house was built on the site after the destruction in 1256 of Tomen yr Allt, a motte and bailey castle which stood on the hill above. I don't think we need wooden.
I encourage you to write a new article on Tomen yr Allt or on Bodfach Hall. Thanks for your work on this article. Verbcatcher (talk) 15:02, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
@Emerald-wiki: Of course this is just my opinion. We could continue this discussion at Talk:Llanfyllin. Is Mechain Uwch Coed an old name for Llanfyllin? If we can find a good reference this should go in the history section. Verbcatcher (talk) 15:15, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

@Verbcatcher: The cantref of Mechain became the hundred of Llanfyllin. Infact 'cantref' means hundred in the sense of a hundred settlements. So, no, Mechain Uwch Coed wasn't the old name for Llanfyllin it was the name of an area which would have included several parishes, Llanfyllin being one of them. Emerald (talk) 17:27, 24 April 2015 (UTC)