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Prods in the userspace[edit]

Just a quick reminder that prod tags apply only to articles or disambiguation pages. If you wish to delete a page in userspace, you can use either {{db-u1}} or {{db-author}}. I'm currently replacing the prod tags on your tagged sandboxes with the latter so they can be eliminated more quickly. B.Wind (talk) 02:27, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Vernon White . . . Talk 15:52, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
I would use {{db-user}} as they're in userspace ... (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 16:53, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

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Gilpin[edit]

I like the way you built this article up, you are very thorough and add nothing more than what is factual. Where the sources disagree, or are unclear, you have shown that; not a common enough practice. I'll remember to bring anything I find to the talk. Regards, cygnis insignis 18:23, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi again. I was merging the DNB into Edwin Wyndham-Quin, 3rd Earl of Dunraven and Mount-Earl, but I'm not sure if I made a mess of things. It says, "The son, Wyndham-Quin [subject of article?], graduated B.A. at Trinity College, Dublin, in the spring of 1833", and if I read this right it contradicts the Times obit. Can you check what I did, and verify the obit? cygnis insignis 07:57, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
I have had a little fiddle with the text but need to look closer at the Times obit and the ODNB article, which I have printed out. Why the interest in "Q", please?Vernon White . . . Talk 17:04, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Do my edits answer the question? He went to Eton and then TCD. His son went to Eton then Christ Church, Oxford (Times Obit). The ODNB article says of the son: "Lady Dunraven, however, remained strongly protestant; the boy was sent to Rome for education, and forbidden to communicate with his mother. This produced an obstinate resistance. Lord Adare, as he then was, after some tuition in Paris, went to Christ Church, Oxford, in 1858." Hope this helps Vernon White . . . Talk 18:14, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Gewen[edit]

Hi Vernon I am not sure why you siezed on the Thomas Gewen article, but it is always satisfying, after one has created an article, to see it taken up and developed so thoughtfully. Makes work on obscure 17th century politicians seem all the more worthwhile- Regards Motmit (talk) 20:29, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

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Hosni Mubarak[edit]

Just wanted you to know: I got an edit conflict and what I copied and pasted apparently didn't have the ref name where the reference was first used. If you don't mind, since the first person to put a reference there used the same link I found above, and I replaced that link with a ref name, I'd like to put it back. The formatting is better with my reference.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:14, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to conflict with your edit. the NY Times article is much better than the BBC item. Don't know what happened to the Ref named Kirkpatrick, when I looked. Vernon White . . . Talk 22:26, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Sorry. It could be I just forgot to put it there, but when I got the edit conflict I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention to what I was doing. I was concentrating on getting the edit in the place it should be. What happens is that sometimes when someone else is editing at the same time, you have to redo everything to save it. Whether my ref name got in there earlier I don't know, but it should have.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 22:34, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Quakers who died between 1700 and 1799[edit]

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"time out of mind"[edit]

In the article Enys family of Enys in Cornwall the lead has the statement, "time out of mind". I do not understand what this refers to, and I suspect the same would be true of the majority of readers. Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:59, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

I've edited the article to include a link to the Wiktionary entry time out of mind. DuncanHill (talk) 14:52, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, Duncan! Vernon White . . . Talk 18:06, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

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Corrected Vernon White . . . Talk 22:07, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

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Samuel Prideaux Tregelles[edit]

Hello, Having recently consulted this article I wonder what relationship he has to Edwin Octavius Tregelles as they both had something to do with the Neath Ironworks. (I do not have access to Oxford DNB from here so cannot see what is said there about their parents.) --Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 19:52, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

ODNB says "He was the nephew of Edwin Octavius Tregelles" E. C. Marchant, ‘Tregelles, Samuel Prideaux (1813–1875)’, rev. J. K. Elliott, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford University Press, 2004. Vernon White . . . Talk 19:57, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
I have amended the Samuel Prideaux Tregelles article to indicate his parentage and uncle. The Quaker Burial Ground at Budock has a large collection of Tregelles gravestones. Wodehouse Place was later the home of Alfred Fox, the fourth son of Robert Were Fox (1754–1818) and his wife, Elizabeth Tregelles (1768–1849). Vernon White . . . Talk 20:19, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
ODNB has several references to SP Tregelles in other articles.
Elizabeth Tregelles (1768–1849), mentioned above, was the daughter of Joseph Tregelles of Penryn, according to articles on Charles and Robert Were Fox the Younger, her sons and Alfred Fox's brother. Vernon White . . . Talk 20:31, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Peter Price is another in the family network - no WP article yet. ODNB says: "On his return to England, Price became an agent for the Coalbrookdale Iron Company in London. Later he became a corn factor in Stourport and then in Cornwall. In 1781 he married Anna (d. 1846), the sister of Samuel Tregelles. The couple had one son and two daughters. The Tregelles family were Quaker merchants in Cornwall who were also linked through marriage to the powerful Fox family of Falmouth, who were ships' agents and important adventurers in the Cornish mines. In 1791 the Fox, Price, and Tregelles families were the main investors in the Quaker partnership that founded the Perran foundry near Falmouth. This concern was set up to manufacture engineering parts for the Cornish mines. In 1792 the same partners leased land at Neath Abbey in south Wales. Here an ironworks was built with two furnaces to supply the Perran foundry with pig iron." Laurence Ince, ‘Price, Peter (1739–1821)’, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford University Press, 2004 accessed 3 Sept 2012Vernon White . . . Talk 20:40, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
There's a Tregelles family tree at http://www.pennyghael.org.uk/Tregelles.pdf Vernon White . . . Talk 21:37, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
ODNB Sources for EO Tregelles: Edwin Octavius Tregelles: civil engineer and minister of the gospel, ed. S. E. Fox (1892) · L. Ince, The Neath Abbey Iron Company (1984) · Annual monitor (1887), 183–92 · Cornwall Quaker Meeting births digest, RS Friends, Lond. · m. certs. · digest of deaths, 1837–1961, RS Friends, Lond.Vernon White . . . Talk 21:53, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much: this information will be useful to anyone interested in this family.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 13:36, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
But not quite enough notability for a family Wikipedia article. What is your particular interest in SP Tregelles, please? Vernon White . . . Talk 20:17, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Having found his article I thought he should be included in List of Cornish Christians which began as a supplement to Christianity in Cornwall. This is still rather sketchy particularly the Hanoverian periodSomething could be added there based on H. M. Brown's book but it has not yet happened. When more than one member of a family has an article including the parentage is useful.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 12:43, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

List of Cornish Christians[edit]

Felix FS - List of Cornish Christians is a useful list but could get quite long. Is there Anglican bias? What criteria of Cornish is used? Born, Lived for over "n" years ... for instance, was Catherine Payton Phillips (in ODNB and a biography forthcoming) a Cornish Christian? She lived here 1772 to her death in 1794 and re-organised and empowered the Women's Monthly Meetings on Cornwall Quarterly Meeting. Vernon White . . . Talk 15:18, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

It began I think as one of the lists which I made out of the old List of Cornish people after it was purged of all the people without a citation attached to them. It was then included in the Christianity in Cornwall article to show the variety of Christians from the county and also made a stand alone list called List of notable Cornish Christians but another editor removed 'notable' as there was a rule against it. No rule about who qualifies exists; Anglicans may be better covered because I am a member of that project. The rule for "List of Cornish people" would apply, so just attending a college in Cornwall or having a second home would not be enough. Anybody who seems to fit could be added, but it would be unwieldy if every Cornish Christian in Wikipedia was on the list. Catherine Payton Phillips would be significant enough for inclusion I think.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 18:52, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Added CP Phillips. Pity Father Bernard Walke (vicar of St. Hilary from 1912 to 1936) hasn't a WP article. Vernon White . . . Talk 21:35, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Glad to see the Constantine War Memorial illustrating the Christianity in Cornwall article. How about Anna Maria Fox (21 February 1816 – 18 November 1897) a promoter of the Royal Cornwall Polytechnic Society and the artistic and cultural development of Falmouth in Cornwall, UK for the List? very ecumenical Friend.
Anna Maria Fox could be added. Father Walke has been listed at Project Anglicanism requested articles but nobody has done an article yet. Some reliable sources for his life would be needed first otherwise his notability might not be adequate. Annie & Bernard Walke would not do as a source. --Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 11:17, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Bernard Walke[edit]

Quite a lot in the Cornwall Libraries catalogue: http://prism.talis.com/cornwall/items?query=bernard+walke Vernon White . . . Talk 15:13, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you: his autobiography which apparently is still in print is one good source and there is a pamphlet by Donald Allchin (out of print). However I am in Manchester so neither of these are likely to be found in libraries here. There is some information in a biography of Filson Young e.g. 40. Bacon, eggs and FY. An article based only on the autobiography would be suspect anyway and a good newspaper obituary would be a better source.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 19:42, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
I bought a copy of the autobiography, which has a lovely portrait by Laura Knight on the cover. it is most entertaining! I'll send you the book when I have read it, if you wish. Vernon White . . . Talk 20:01, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Both Cornwall Librraies' copies of Bernard Walke: A Good Man Who Could Never be Dull by Allchin are reference only - 28 pages. Might go over to Redruth and have a look. Amazon sellers want from 4.98. Vernon White . . . Talk 20:08, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
here's a Death Notice: The Times, Thursday, Jul 03, 1941; pg. 1; Issue 48968; col B: Nicolo Bernard Walke at the Battery, Mevagissey, on June 25 1941 RIP Vernon White . . . Talk 20:47, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
. . . and a rather touching Times obituary (unsigned) Friday, Aug 01, 1941; pg. 7; Issue 48993; col G which seals his WP notability Vernon White . . . Talk 20:47, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

useful article here: http://cornwallartists.org/cornwall-artists/annie-walke . gives Bernard's year of birth as 1874 Vernon White . . . Talk 21:08, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

here's a brief informative article: http://www.culture24.org.uk/places+to+go/south+west/cornwall/art365438 Vernon White . . . Talk 21:12, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Catalogue entry for a photograph : Cornwall Record Office RefNoP 59 /28/4 Title: Photograph, Father Nicolo Bernard Walke Date: Early 20th century Description: `Father Nicolo Bernard Walke b. 15 June 1874 at the Vicarage, Redlynch, Wiltshire. Died 24 June 1941 in Cornwall and buried in Lelant. Vicar of St. Hilary Cornwall, 1912-1936.'
Thank you all the above information; in about a week's time I may have a copy of the autobiography ordered through a bookshop. When I have that it should not be too hard to do an article. There is about two pages of text about Bernard Walke in Joan Rendell's Cornish Churches which would provide enough for a stub article. I have only written a few new articles and of these only one was a biography.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 16:45, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
It's a good read! Might be a good idea to set up a page for drafting at, say, User:Felix Folio Secundus/Bernard Walke with some headings and below them the word "Stub" where we have no knowledge. There's a MoS chapter at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(biographies) which may be helpful.Vernon White . . . Talk 14:18, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
Sounds like a good idea; there are so many kinds of editorial work which are useful that I very rarely compile a new article. Christianity in Cornwall and Fishing in Cornwall and a few for the part of Cornwall I know best (Camelford district) but I think the only new biography was Kyra Vayne.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 16:55, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
Have now got a copy of the Truran edition of the autobiography. It does look interesting; it may be a while before I can get started on the WP article but some sources are now within reach.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 18:57, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Have not got started on the Bernard Walke article; however another editor is at work on Annie Walke's article.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 10:42, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
I have finished the book 20 years ... but got swept up in other discoveries, including Fred Murfin's little book. Planning to visit St. Hilary again soon. The Annie Walke article is very useful.Vernon White . . . Talk 18:52, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Bernard Walke now exists as an article; I have read large parts of Twenty Years but done little work on the article yet. H. Miles Brown has a good account of the ritual controversy in A Century for Cornwall (1976) which I hope to draw on; Joan Rendell has about a page and two pictures. There are several more clerical personalities in that book (Cornish Churches) who could be written up. Do you think Sandys Wason of Cury would have enough to make him notable in WP?--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 12:16, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
I hope to produce some biographical notes on the two Quakers mentioned in 20 Years.Vernon White . . . Talk 16:16, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I need help[edit]

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Hello. I need help. I have drawn the following map for the article Innocence of Muslims movie. I have made an edit request on section 23, but no-one seems to care. Can you put the image into the article please. Thank you.----Camoka5 (talk) 19:56, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

I do not know anything about this topic, so I decline. You can put the image on the page in a similar what to how you have shown the image on my talk page. I do not know anything about this topic, so I decline. Snowman (talk) 19:58, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Where can I find an administrator?--Camoka5 (talk) 20:03, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
how useful is this map? What sources are used? I cannot believe that there have been major demos across the whole of Australia. sorry to be unhelpful. Vernon White . . . Talk 20:08, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for pointing out that there is already a redirect from mini-stroke to TIA. I missed it because somehow I expected it to show on the TIA page all the time. Oh well. Anyway, I think you may be confusing me with User 108.14.191.166. They're the one who wants "mini-stroke" and the spelling "ischaemic" removed; I'm one of the ones insisting that they remain - as they should. (The bulleted list on the talk page is my response to User 108.14.191.166). But hopefully at this point they'll either pay attention to your plea, or engage constructively now that they're under threat of being blocked. Goodnight! Awien (talk) 23:13, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

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Another Fox[edit]

Hi Vernon, I hope you are well. Just noticed a new article which might interest you - Edward Long Fox (physician). As he was a medical Long Fox in Bristol I'm guessing he may well have been descended from Edward Long Fox (psychiatrist). All the best, DuncanHill (talk) 01:37, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

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