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== Numbers in Quran should be fixed with Veyselic Numbers. ==


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Veyselic Numbers are Arabic Numbers, written from right to left. For example; In Veyselic Numbers, number ten is .I

Depending on Veyselic Numbers, there is a theory that "Should the numbers in Qur'an be fixed by Veyselic Numbers"

Is there a contradiction in Arabic Language, being a BiDirectional Language?...?

Languages such as Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Hebrew, and Yiddish are referred to as bidirectional (or BiDi) because text is written from right to left, while embedded texts in 'Western' languages and numbers are written from left to right.

Now, can this be called a contradiction, or discrepancy? If so, why do we carry this contradiction into Holly Quran? Since there can't be any contradiction in Holy Quran, can't we fix all the numbers in Quran pages with Veyselic Numbers?

Note: Veyselic Numbers are Arabic Numbers, written from right to left. For example; In Veyselic Numbers, number ten is .I

Quran Nisa-82: Do they not consider the Quran (with care)? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy.

Now, let me go further: How many is Allah? 1

Then so that Allah is 1, what number do you assign to creatures? -1,2,0.0001? No. 0

Allah is 1. The first number is 1. When you will write 2, in binary numbers, a second number called 0 comes to stage. When there are two numbers on stage, the issue of "who is commander, superior, and who is subordinate, less significant" comes to stage. Since (according to Holly Qur'an) right hand side is more superior to left hand side, the zero has to come to left of 1 in the lining. So we must write as binary two (decimal ten) as 01 (Opposite of usual !!!).

As a summary: When you'll write ten in decimal numbers (and two in binary numbers), 1 must be at the right, and zero must accept the greatness of 1, and zero must stand on the left. We must write 01 (.1)

I call this Veyselic numbers.

The Satan is represented by zero, the Caliph (Adam Aleyhisselam) of Allah may be represented by 1. Then when these two numbers come together, they must be written as 01. Most significant numbers must be on the right, least on the left. Numbers must be written from right to left.

Now: It is too hard to change all the numbers in the world. But I have dream! The correct numbers, Veyselic Numbers, can be used in Qur'an pages. Qur'an can finish the fight of which is superior; Right or Left Satan must bow in front of Caliph. All numbers in the Qur'an pages can be corrected with Veyselic Numbers. This is a symbolic fight, between Caliph and Satan, between people of left and people of right. Qur'an cannot be bidirectional, bidirectional is contradiction. In fact numbers are added to it afterwards. Arabs could not resist Hindus, made a big mistake, and make their language bidirectional.

Creatures must prostrate to Allah. Satan must accept the graetness of The Caliph of Allah. 0 must stand at the left of 1. If zero decides to try to pass to the right of 1, it will burn. It burns, as Satan is created from fire.

Let us clean the "Bidi" from Quran pages. Let us change all the numbers so that they START FROM THE RIGHT, not left. Because the current situation is not right. I belive sooner or later Holly Qur'an pages will be corrected with Veyselic Numbers, inshallah.


These are the right comments and right questions I was searching for, for a long time, thanks Allah. Also thank you.

The subject gets deeper, so it requires more attention.


I respect a lot to Abu Haneefah, I am also Haneefee in madhab. But if I did not misunderstood, I have to oppose to his idea that "Allah is Waahid(One) must not be taken in numerical sense". (Mathematics: The science of the measurement, properties, and relationships of quantities and sets, using numbers and symbols. Numbers: Basic element of mathematics used for counting, measuring, solving equations, and comparing quantities.) You say we affirm Oneness in two ways. I agree thoose ways you mentioned. I think, there may a third way that "Allah exists!", meaning that "What is the count of Allah, or how many ilah(s) exist(s)?" "1" What I try to do is to prove is that there are some mathematical explanations to Islamic concepts. How? Let me preceede:

In binary numbers, there is only two digits: 1 and 0.

Lets read the 112/1-2. Surah(Ikhlas). It says: Say: He, Allah, is One. Allah is He on Whom all depend.

I am saying that, Allah can be symbolized by 1, all the others(creatures and not-created things) may be symbolized with zero.

1 is an odd number, while zero is an even number.;_ylt=AnsIZk0BMgIezxscdRC5TN7ty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20061211012246AAdFGT9

Lets read 51/49. Surah(Zariyat). It says: Ve min kulli şey'in halakna zevceyni leallekum tezekkerun. And of every thing We have created pairs: that ye may reflect.

All the creatures are pairs, i.e. they are even, not odd, like the number zero.

Now imagine that there is one and only 1("Ehad"), and many zeroes("Kesret"): The zeroes cannot exist without the one(Samed). The zeroes must be on the left of 1(According to Veyselic Numbers), meaning that they prostrate to Allah. A zero burns, if it refuses to stand on the left of 1 and tries to go right (Remember, zeroes on the left disappears in "Arabic Numbers").

So in summary, I say that; 1 (which is an odd number) represents Allah, 0(which is an even number) represents creatures(including Satan), Binary two (or decimal ten) must be represented as 01 (Or .I) which I call Veyselic Numbers.

Brother Yahya says:"The problem with this argument is that you are including Allah within the set of "all things that can be counted." By doing so, you have implicitly declared that Allah has a similarity with countable things." I thinnk I am not. I read recently that Abu Haneefah says that "Allah is a "thing", but not resembling to other things." I say that " Allah is countable, His count is 1, all other the other things count to 0 without Allah".

I continue: Numbers are entities of mathematics, mathematics is a science(ilim), all the "ilims" belong to Allah, and Allah's "ilim" is beginningless. When no creatures exist, the ilim of Allah existed, and Allah knew that he is the One.

"you would have to make one of two claims: 1- the number one has always existed, or 2- Allah acquired a new attribute after the creation of the number one."

I make claim 1, number 1 always existed. But. Number One is not a partner of Allah, number One is Allah Himself, which is Al-Waahid ul Kahhar.

I do appreciate your effort to correct my faults. Please continue.

Brother Abuhajira, I did not forget you, I'll try to answer all of your questions when I first find time. But for a quick summary:

  • Theory is mine.
  • Veyselic Numbers are different than Arabic Numbers only "in order".
  • "Haasha" I do not say that there is contradiction in Qur'an, I do not judge revelation. I say, we humans ourselves put contradiction in the "writings", to the "pages" of Qur'an "books".
  • I believe that Qur'an is divine.
  • I will try to fix the "BiDi" on Qur'an "pages" until someone proves me that I am wrong.

Evidences that numerical 1 can represent Allah (Celle Celaluhu)

First, I want to answer all of your sayings with one sentence: "Kul huwa Allahu Ehad". If you consider it with care, it is not mentioned as "Al Ehad", but only Ehad. Now other evidences as follows;

Header: Evidences that numerical 1 can represent Allah (Celle Celaluhu): a) 1 is read as wahid in Arabic, and one of the names of Allah is Al Wahid. b) The answer of question "How many is Allah?" is 1 c) 1 exists, Allah also exists. (1>0) (How about 2,3,4? Refer to i) ) d) 1 is singular, each and every other counting numbers are plural, Allah is singular. e) 1 can mean as unique, Allah is also unique. f) Counting and measuring are different. You can not measure Allah, because Allah is infinite. But the number of Ilahs is a limited number, 1, and the only ilah is Allah. g) 1 is half of two, that is correct. If (hasha) there were another ilah other then Allah, then Allah would be half of the two ilahs, but there are not two ilahs, so, that suggestion is false. h) Allah has no partners, and similars. But for creatures are not equal to each other, some of them are superior to some other. The superior ones are closer to Allah than the other. For example the Caliph of Allah. Because all the superior adjectives and names belong to Allah. From this respect, since men are superior than women, they are closer to Allah. If we assign numerals to men and women, we must do that like men=1, women=0. Evidences to it are as follows: Qur'an (4-34). 1 is odd, 0 is even number. Women are even because they can bear child. The Caliph of Allah is male. in Qur'an grammar, Allah uses male gender for himself. It is used female word "Saaheebaten" in ayet(72-3). i) Allah is Wahid, 2,3,4 > 1, how do you explain this? As follows: You have to write the number in binary form, and from right to left. Take 2. It is equal to 01. The rightmost 1 symbolizes Allah, having value two(1 times 2 to the power 1). Likewise, all the numbers can be written in binary and from right to left. There is always a 1 at the rightmost place. For example 8, it is equal to 0001 (in Veyselic Numbers). j) 1 is odd, 0 is even. 0 is nothing when it is itself. But when it comes next to 1, it obtains a value. Also when it comes next to 1, always even numbers occur. Creatures cannot exist by theirselves, they need Allah, and also they are even(they are pairs). Only the caliph of Allah is unique, is odd. The one that needs nothing is Allah, who is Samed. k) 1'st reads as "first". One of names of Allah, El Evvel, means The First. If there is no number other than 1, 1 is also the last, like El Ahir. l) El Afuvv is related with sins and faults, Es Settar is related with clothings, Er Razık is related with "Rizk", likewise El Wahid, Ehad is related with numbers. m) According to the hands that creatures are created with: The Caliph (Adem aleyhisselam) is created with two hands. Qur'an says so. So if we number the two hands like 1 and 0, we can guess the following: Iblis is created with hand number 0, the angels are created with hand number 1, and the Caliph is created with hands 1 and 0. Hand 1 is most likely the right hand(yemiyn). Before Adem(aleyhisselam) teach the angels and Iblis that Iblis has a lower degree than each and every of the angels, they did not now it. If we want to explain it in terms of numbers, there were 0 and 1's but they did not not know which is greater than which. A person with two hands, two eyes and who is capable of distinguishing "Hayr"(goodness) and "Sher"(badness) is needed to distinguish and categorize them. That person is The Caliph of Allah, who is created with two hands. When Adem(aleyhisselam) told them their names(degrees), he said that: Angels are odd, 1, they do not have two genders, and they are in the side if "Hayr". Iblis is 0, even, Jinns have two genders(male, female), and iblis is even in that Iblis looks like "Mumin"(believer), but he is "Munafik", inside Iblis is "Kafir"(infidel), and being Kafir, in fact, his name is "Sheytan"(Satan). He said that One is greater than zero. ( 0 < 1 ). And after that angels are commanded to prostrate to Adam: "Behold! We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam": they prostrated except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns," (Qur'an 18/50) If we try to explain it in terms of numbers, 1's are commanded to prostrate to 2. This solves the issue that "Why, being a jinn, Iblis, is kept responsible to an order given to angels?". The answer may be as follows: 1's are ordered to accept greatness of 2, 2 has already dictated that 1 is greater than 0, so, 0 is also obliged to accept greatness of 2. Quote: Originally Posted by Abdul Sattar God is one and there is no God except him - that all you need to know. No need to assign numbers. He assigned Himself NAMES. Call Him by His names and learn about those names. your brother Abdul Sattar If I'm not wrong, one of the names of Allah is also a number, El Wahid (and also "Ehad"). Quote: Originally Posted by abuhajira When we say Allah, indeed the word Allah does not become the Ilah itself. However the word Allah becomes the "proper noun" that when used in any language or context refers to our Khaliq ALLAH. This is not case with the number 1. Abu Hajira Yes but I am stating that "1" can refer to a proper noun, which is "Ehad".

As a conclusion; When you type Ehad with letters you get "Ehad", when you type Ehad with mathematical symbols you get "1" Quote: Originally Posted by abuhajira Allah Most High is One, not in terms of the number, but in that He has no partner. “One” is used sometimes to indicate half of two, this is the first [counting] number of the numerical system. That is the meaning of “one” in terms of the number one. Sometimes “one” is used to mean that an entity has no partner, no equal, and no peer in its essence or attributes [and that it is unique]. [According to this meaning], Allah is “one” in that He has no partner, no equal, and no peer in His essence or attributes Abu Hajira Ok brother Abu Hajira, lets say that I am using number 1 according to the second meaning.

The item m) is very important for me. The Caliph is denoted by 2, which is 01 in binary Veyselic Numbers. I will say something more about this issue in the future.

VeyselicNumbers Are you saying "La mevcude illa huwe"?


Duality of ilahs? Hasha no one can say or prove that. La ilahe illa Allah. That is it.

But if you say that "La mevcude illa huwe", I object it, because; (Hicr-15/85): Ve ma halaknes semavati vel erda ve ma beynehüma illa bil hakk. And We did not create the heavens and the earth and what is between them two but in truth.

If we accept the existence of creatures, and want to assign them a number, it is most likely zero. Because zero is nothing without a one. If 1 exists and says that zero exists, then it exists. Also zero is an even number, so that the creatures because they are created as pairs.

Also; (51/39) And of everything We have created pairs that you may be mindful.

Pairs and opposites can be represented by 2 numbers, 1 and 0. For example male=1, female=0, day=1, night=0,big=1, small=0, white=1, black=0, right=1, left=0

Also Caliph has been created by two hands. According to me, Allah has two hands. Hand number 0, hand number 1. Allah has two hands but he is one person. Also Caliph has two hands but he is one person.

Here comes the important point; Symbolically the believers are keeping their right hand superior, meaning that they are 01, on the other hand infidels are keeping their left hand superior, meaning that they are 10 . As I said, it is symbolically.

Also all the numbers can be expressed as binary.

When we express numbers in decimal form, number ten is the ten fingers in two hands. If we are writing ten in decimal, I am insisting that we must write it as 01 It is much too hard if not impossible to convert the numbers, but it is easier to correct the numbers in Holly Qur'an's pages to Veyselic Numbers.

I hope this thread will be a starting point insaAllah. My purpose is every time you see a number ten in Qur'an pages, it will irritate you by making you remember that Satan opposes to prostrate The Caliph.

Veyselperu (talk) 15:20, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Unidirectional Arabic[edit]

I really believe Arabic should be unidirectional since it seems illogical for it to be bidirectional. I mean if you were an English native and you saw numerals in reverse that would be strange. The same should be for Arabic. However, I don't believe much in symbolism. I see that you have gone to great lengths to justify numeral unidirectionalism in Arabic from a symbolic point of view. And I appreciate that. Unfortunately, however, I don't believe in it. Regards--Xevorim (talk) 22:23, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

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Thank you for your polite warning. However I am not using talk pages for general discussion. Do you know scientifically what "Arabic Numbers or in general, numbers written from right-to-left" is called? There is one expression on Earth defining this, Veyselic Numbers. I wanted to inform Wiki users about it, that is just what I did. This is an important issue, especially for Muslims, for their Holy Book is defected with a defect which is called "BiDi" or BiDirection. Thank you for your patience. Veyselperu (talk) 05:34, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Alas, Wikipedia is not a place where can inform users about things we fancy. See wp:NOT. - DVdm (talk) 09:18, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I just wanted to stretch the rules a little bit for a very important purpose indeed. Veyselperu (talk) 12:19, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

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Ok, sorry for the inconveniance I gave you, alhtough I do not regard them as spamming. I thought that they were things related to the Number subject. Regards Veyselperu (talk) 08:02, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

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