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Hi! Please leave a message and I'll get back to you... Don't hesitate to get in touch if you have a question or need help, whether you think I can help you as an administrator or as another editor. I'll do my best and can probably point you in the right direction if it isn't something I can sort out myself. If you want to ask me about a page I've deleted, please remember to link me to the deleted page so I know what we're talking about. I usually reply to messages here, unless the matter is urgent and I want to make sure you get the reply quickly. Will

Contents 1 Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Taekwondo 2 2 Thankyou 3 Khop khun kaa 4 Re: Admin 5 Offensive usernames to rename? 6 Second Intifada Case 7 wiki-meetup 8 SoxBot VI 9 gmail 10 E-mail 11 Jojoplaut 12 IRC? 13 Thanks 14 Typo in your userpage

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Taekwondo 2

Manacpowers stated on the Taekwondo talk page that he would be off line for approximately a month, as the core problem is that I do not belive he understands what mediation is. (see the previous attempt and how Manacpowers cited it) Please would you reconsider and postpone a decision till it has been explained to him, as this is likley the last chance for a productive outcome, as the edit war will likely recomence on his return if there is not another option. --Nate1481(^t/_c) 08:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Had he merely been inactive, I would have held the case open but his comments on the matter appeared to me to be a pretty clear rejection of mediation as an option. Feel free to ask again when he returns if you think he has misunderstood what was being proposed. WJBscribe (talk) 02:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thankyou

HereFord 23:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Khop khun kaa

Sawadee. Thanks for helping with my new account. Rlevse helps with my English and learning wiki (he taught me "usurp" last night). He just helped me make my account on Thai wiki and unify it. That's the only one want a lot right now. Khop khun kaa. JoJo (talk) 11:29, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad you're liking your new account. WJBscribe (talk) 22:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Admin

Thank you for the compliment. I try to keep policy in mind and do a good job in whatever I'm involved in on WP. Overall, I do try to get along well with other editors, although I have to admit I've crossed swords a few times with some. I think the most contention I've had has been in relationship to the few sock cases I've dealt with. The most prominent would have been what turned out to be (and what I already knew both intuitively and objectively to be true) a sockpuppet master and her socks: Dooyar, Nyannrunning, Debbiesvoucher, Evanbayh, and Seth4u2nvcs. She had very distinctive writing and argument style, edit summaries and a narrow range of interest in editing, which was somewhat off the beaten path, so not a lot of others noticed her. For a while, I was beginning to believe that I was the problem, but finally we were able to prove the sock case. I've also crossed paths with User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ), although I'm not the only one who has taken exception to his methods of referencing and viewpoint. I am pointing this out in the interest of being candid about conflicts I've had. I did have one issue not long ago where a banned sock master did a bit of cyberstalking of me after I had reported a new identity (one of the incarnations of User:ColScott). He put out a request for my real identity on his discussion forum on his website. This led to my changing a great deal of information on other sites (MySpace, for example). Thankfully, he lost interest after a few days of harassment.

I've considered putting in a RfA, but have some reservations as well. I'm involved with WP:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers, reviewing articles, trying to pick up the slack in article assessment, and working on filmography completions, and I do enjoy that quite a bit. I wouldn't want that to be effected. I'd like to take a few days to consider this, and I'll get back with you in a few days, if that's okay. Thank you for considering me. Wildhartlivie (talk) 02:49, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

No worries - do give it some thought. I await your decision. WJBscribe (talk) 02:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Offensive usernames to rename?

Hoi, please check [1] and [2] (the actions on July, 20th, around 21:45 UTC). These all are unified accounts created on a small wiki and extended to enwiki. (Already renamed on the two small wikis, globally locked and hidden from the global account list.) CU is not necessary, done on the smaller wikis already. Can you please rename them on enwiki, too? (Or is that not usual here?) I don't want to post the names here, I think it's enough that they are in the logs forever... (Sorry, you're the only enwiki bureaucrat that I know of. ;) ) Best regards, --Thogo (Talk) 22:08, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I've renamed the worse of those on enwiki - let me know if I've missed any. Frankly I suspect Grawp can create these faster than we can rename then :(. The devs implementing local username hiding would useful. WJBscribe (talk) 02:09, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I think we are faster than this <<censored>> guy. We are more hands, he is alone, just a single person with some strange processes in his head. ;) But yes, local hiding (from all log files) would be great. --Thogo (Talk) 16:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Second Intifada Case

Will,

I remember a few weeks ago I asked you about this case, and you said you'd get back to me, but you didn't. I'm just going to close the case as unresolved, and if it needs re-opening, it can go straight to MedCom. Thanks anyway, Steve Crossin (contact) 02:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Arghhh. Sorry Steve (again). I grovel shamelessly. That's probably for the best though - as I read the discussion that followed your email, the view was that while individual members were willing to be approached, it wasn't felt that the idea was something that MedCom as an entity could fully get behind. Btw, did Mellie get my answer to her email? WJBscribe (talk) 04:28, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

• That's alright, I really did think the case had probably gone stale anyway, though I suppose I will find out sooner or later whether the case is really solved. In regards to Mel, yeah, she got your reply, but by that time, Kingturtle had already done it all for her, and she now edits under the name that you were told in the email. The "home account", or at least according to SUL, is at sv.wikipedia. I suppose she could negotiate with them regarding the global account. Best, Steve Crossin (contact) 05:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] wiki-meetup

Hey, I saw from past records that you attended london wiki-meetup no. 9; if you're interested in attending again we're planning meetup 12 at the moment. Ironholds 16:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SoxBot VI

Hi, a while ago, you blocked SoxBot VI for removing bureaucrat comments. After discussing with Cobi (who knows more about bots than me), he decided that the reason was a simple edit conflict, and doesn't know why it's happening. So I ask you, if it's a simple edit conflict, and there really isn't anything to do, would it be ok to unblock? As another note, I finished a rewrite, and it seems to work. Soxred 93 02:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I've unblocked it. We'll see how it goes this time, it can always be blocked again if there are problems. Thanks for your work on it. WJBscribe (talk) 10:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] gmail

sent yesterday-your mugshot makes you look far too young :) SatuSuro 10:49, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] E-mail

Hi WJBscribe, just a note to let you know that I've sent you an E-mail. Best wishes. Acalamari 19:24, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jojoplaut

Is there some reason I didn't deserve the courtesy of being contacted about this before the unblock? Or, hell, after the block for that matter? It's not like I'm hard to get in touch with; I'm on all day. What crucial edit did he need to make that couldn't possibly wait two minutes for me to reply?

It's really getting frustrating the way common courtesy has gone out the window lately. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 21:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, the reason I didn't get in touch is that I wasn't overturning your block - which was a perfectly valid response to vandalism. The owner of the account contacted OTRS and explained the circumstances in which his account had been compromised. I unblocked following assurances that a secure password would be chosen and having pointed out, given the past incident, there probably would not be any unblock should further security occur. Had a realise you expected to be informed of any developments, I'd have dropped you a note but as I was not questioning the validity of the block I didn't think one was noted. And although I accept that you'd rather I had acted differently and apologise for the offense caused, I don't appreciate the aggressive tone of your message to me. WJBscribe (talk) 21:36, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Not aggressive, just honest. It is frustrating. We're both adults, neither of us is a newcomer, and we should be able to talk without being overly sensitive.

You did, in effect, overturn my block. The blocking offense was vandalism but, as I said in my block message to that user, the account doesn't appear to warrant overlooking two password breaches. This is particularly true since another sockpuppet/meatpuppet/otherwise somehow related account has been making the same edits.[3][4] I fail to see how that relates to OTRS. And if it was undone for that reason, shouldn't an OTRS ticket number have been provided? Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 23:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

If you want the ticket number it's 2008072210027395. I'm not sure the other account changes the picture much, unless you think Jojoplaut is lying about the security breach and that this account is also him - in which case requesting a checkuser would probably be the way to go. Whilst the account's pre-hijack IP data is now probably too old to check, a request may be fruitful once further edits are made from the account. I find it strange that you feel the need to post a rude rant about lack of courtesy on the wiki because I failed to notify you of a routine unblock and then suggest it is I who am being overly sensitive when I remark that you could have expressed yourself in a more polite manner. In any event, either this account will be misbehave again and be blocked (this time no doubt permanently) or it will not - in either case the matter would seem closed. WJBscribe (talk) 23:34, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't see what's "rude" about it. Is honest communication now reserved strictly for IRC, OTRS, and personal emails? Are two admins no longer allowed to have a frank discussion on a talk page? Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 23:45, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Personally I don't think honest has to equal impolite but I think you have been. To my memory we have never had a discussion before by any medium. So the first thing I read from you includes a series of pointedly phrased rhetorical questions and a rant about "common courtesy" having gone out the window. I think you might find you get a better reaction with something friendlier like "I don't want to make a huge deal out of this, but I do appreciate someone letting me know if accounts I block are later unblocked, regardless of the circumstances". And now it seems you want to make some point about off-wiki communication. I can't help but feel that you wish to vent about the ills you perceive with Wikipedia and that you are directing these comments at me as I am the most recent person to offend you. Sorry as I am that you feel courtesy is lacking and that you believe communication that should be on-wiki takes place elsewhere, I don't think you are going to set things right through a discussion on my talkpage however "frank" you decide to be. I enjoy frank discussions with many admins on this project, I'm not getting the feeling I would enjoy one with you. For one thing, I notice that while I have apologised for discourtesy in not notifying you of the unblock, you have made no similar apology for your lack of courtesy in the tone of your comments here. WJBscribe (talk) 23:57, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I haven't apologized because I haven't said anything wrong. The questions I asked weren't rhetorical; in fact, you answered them by telling me it was an OTRS issue and therefore it was a) urgent, and b) not necessary to talk to me first. Along with the ticket number, that would have been perfectly sufficient. It seems quite a stretch to take what I said as rude—terse, certainly, but that's just me—and an equal stretch to label a few questions as a "rant". All that's left is the remark about "common courtesy", which I stand by. There's no rule against voicing frustration.

I don't want to make a huge deal out of this, and I don't think I have (length of this particular thread notwithstanding). There'd have been no point in telling you I'd appreciate a note, because the blocking policy already tells you that. We've all read it. And there wasn't much point in telling you I would have appreciated a note, either, because what's done is done and that's okay. I just wanted a better explanation, and you gave it to me. So thanks for that. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 00:25, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] IRC?

I know you are a rather busy person, but if you'd be so willing, could I talk to you about a mediation matter. I'd do email, but it's rather slow. Would you mind coming on IRC? I'm in my channel, ##Steve, so you wouldn't be swamped by Wikipedian's. I'm somewhat stuck and could use some help. Best, Steve Crossin (contact) 21:40, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Now's not a great time for me but if you're still on in a couple of hours I should be able to spare you a little while then. WJBscribe (talk) 21:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

• Yeah, I should still be on for the next 5 hours or so. Thanks, Steve Crossin (contact) 21:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for renaming me! That is if you did!

Regards, ~~Sealim~~ (talk) 21:46, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Typo in your userpage

it only deletes such redirects provided that they have ony one revision in their page history. I noticed this typo in your userpage. I wanted to point this out to you so that you could fix it :) Cheers, Razorflame 10:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Fixed. WJBscribe (talk) 11:01, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Not a problem. I usually don't edit this Wikipedia, but I noticed a few users who have RfAs that I wanted to !vote in, so that was why I came back. I saw one of your supports (J.delanoy's RfA) and that was what prompted me to look at your userpage. When I looked at your userpage, I just looked in a few of your naviboxes, and I saw the typo :) Cheers, Razorflame 04:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)