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List of vegetable oils

Added some final-ish thoughts on the talk page. 86.** IP (talk) 20:30, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Fantastic job you've with this list; it's now a model of how to create useful food-related article without resorting to dubious sources (as so many such articles do). (I have fixed the two uses of "ibid" – it's really quite easy to do and much safer against additional refs changing the displayed order.) Peter coxhead (talk) 10:12, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

That's a brilliant idea! I only left the ibid because I couldn't figure out what else to do. This is clearly the best way to handle it. This belongs in WP:IBID.

Thanks as well for the kind comments regarding the article. I'm looking forward to the WP:FLRC discussion closing and moving on. Waitak (talk) 13:22, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Food and Drink Barnstar
		For your impressive overhaul of List of vegetable oils and for your persistent willingness to employ your learning for the betterment of the project, I award you this barnstar. Wikipedia needs more academics to invest in this world knowledge base, as you are doing. Neelix (talk) 14:26, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

That's very kind of you. Thank you! Waitak (talk) 14:31, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

List of culinary nuts

I think what you've done with the vegetable oils list can serve as a reasonable model for this list, and I wouldn't advise keeping this list much simpler than that one in terms of style. You don't want a situation where someone says the list isn't at the level of the vegetable oils list, since that's the most obvious comparison. The big question in my mind is whether someone will ask to have the list in table form. You'll need to make a decision on the list's style and be prepared to justify it at FLC. I think the vegetable oils style works, but I'm only one reviewer/director. If you're uncertain, you could always go to peer review and ask for others' opinions on the subject. However, I encourage you strongly to try bringing the culinary nuts list to FL. The vegetable oils list is the only current food and drink FL, and that portion of WP:FL is rather deserted. It would be great to fill it up a little! Giants2008 (Talk) 02:41, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Patrolling is for new articles, not things like FLC; as far as I'm aware they aren't subject to new pages patrol. As long as the page is showing up at FLC, it should be visible enough for potential reviewers to be aware of the nomination's existence. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:55, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again for this-- two thoughts to consider. How about Butternut (tree)?? And consider repeating the hazelnut comment ("Several other species are edible, but not commercially cultivated to any significant extent.") under hickories? Or does 'edible' imply 'palatable' here? Araucana (talk) 23:13, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I've added an entry for butternut. I'll hunt for a list of some of the other hickory species, and add that as well if I can find it. Waitak (talk) 23:24, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

I finally figured out one of my concerns: walnuts and hickories ARE TRUE nuts, not drupes, according to my Plant Taxonomy textbook (Porter, albeit 1967). They will need to be moved, and we probably need to rewrite the definitions at the beginning for clarification. I need to run now, but will get back to you or attempt an edit later today. Also, check on Kola-- that picture makes it look wrong for "true nut" definition. See [1] in the meantime, it might be helpful. Thanks for all your patience with this article, Waitak! Araucana (talk) 16:19, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

It's worse than I thought, and I'm dropping my objection; drupe does seem to be widely used for walnuts these days. I think (with Porter) that it hinges on whether the outer husk is ovary wall or hypanthium. Took the question up with botanist friends, one of whom found a good historical review that demonstrates the confusion but fails to resolve the botanical question. I posted the link and selected quotes in User:Araucana/sandbox so as not to add too much garbage here if you want to take a look. Keep up the good work!! Araucana (talk) 15:25, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

The pizza thing

Apparently (allegedly?) some U.S. legislative body recently decreed pizza to be a vegetable (because it has some tomato content), supposedly so that U.S. schools could serve pizza and claim they were giving kids fresh vegetables. (This leads to the joke that "meat and two veg is a healthy meal - an example would be a steak sandwiched between two slices of pizza"). I haven't bothered to research which parts of this rumour are actually true, but it's probably the explanation for the vandalism. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:43, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

That would explain why we're getting it from different IP addresses. I'd still rather we not have to keep swatting it. Waitak (talk) 04:05, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Yep, temporary semi-protection of the page is the way to go (WP:RFPP). The media excitement will die down after a week or two. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 04:07, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

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TFL

Hi Waitak,

Congratulations on getting List of vegetable oils back up to scratch with respect to the featured list criteria! I have renominated the list to go up on the main page here. If you would be willing to monitor that discussion and address any concerns that are raised, it would be greatly appreciated. I will be attempting to do the same. I have contacted the Canola Council of Canada asking them if they would be able to help us in developing a list of vegetable fats. I would be more comfortable with having the vegetable oil list up on the main page if the fats currently included on that list were separated off onto a list of vegetable fats. Any help in that endeavour would also be greatly appreciated.

Neelix (talk) 21:32, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree with spinning off the list of fats to their own list. Frankly, I don't think it'll be very long. The main function of the effort would be to return list of vegetable oils to ideological purity. :-) I'm mulling over what to do with the blurb. It is pretty dry, and we certainly ought to be able to do something about that. I'll keep an eye on the ongoing discussion and see what I can do. Thanks for your efforts! Waitak (talk) 00:02, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Waitak,

An oleochemist from the Canola Council of Canada got back to me and said that the term "vegetable oil" can be used to refer to substances that are solid at room temperature. I have therefore ammended the note on the list and no longer see a need to split any entries off onto their own list. Please contact me if you feel differently.

Neelix (talk) 04:51, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, that's actually a relief. I'll amend the blurb to remove the modest disclaimer regarding solids being part of the list. Waitak (talk) 05:06, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

I have looked over the article again and I have another concern. Are all vegetable oils triglycerides or only most? I'm inclined to think that all are because the Fat article states that "chemically, fats are triglycerides." If that's the case, we need to change the first sentence in the lede of the List of vegetable oils article. Neelix (talk) 21:06, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Good spot, thank you! I've fixed it. Do we need to fixe the TFL abstract independently? Waitak (talk) 21:09, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, and I have done so. Neelix (talk) 21:04, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Happy New Year to you!

Hi Waitak, Wishing you the very best for the coming year.

Thank you for the kind words. Indeed it is pleasant, and I find necessary for my own determination to continue working on wikipedia, that occasionally there are those little sparks of "yes! someone who knows what they are doing and cares!", even from the little changes. Strangely enough, having been doing this for a while, I'm now finding that wikipedia has become "part of my filing system" for certain types of information. I'm rather amazed by that. Best wishes, Nadiatalent (talk) 17:53, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

It almost makes one feel as if one should contribute money towards keeping wikipedia going, but, since we're too busy to earn any ... I think of what I'm doing primarily as teaching, unpaid teaching. Having one's contribution used without attribution can be a bit disquieting, I find, e.g., at www.websters-online-dictionary.org or Biology-Online.org (I hope those dictionaries have a person vetting what they scrounge from wikipedia), or in Encyclopedia of Life which then boasts about how wonderful it is, while providing an enormous number of essentially content-free pages to clutter up everybody's web searches, or with a sort of attribution in "books" that scream "High Quality Content by WIKIPEDIA articles! High Quality Content by WIKIPEDIA articles!". But enough grumbling for one day. Nadiatalent (talk) 18:20, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Edible leaves

GIven your interest in edible leaves, have you come across the apparently unlimited uses of different leaf species in Korean food? I was looking at Bugak, and found this suggestion that Tree of heaven is used, and another about leaves of red oak. With a diet like that one could rival the most destructive caterpillars. Nadiatalent (talk) 20:22, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

(Trying a conversation in a single talk page to see if that works.) I've been amazed at some of the Korean uses of leaves. Perilla is the one I know best. It grows as a weed here. We harvest them, wrap rice, a bit of something savory and some nice chili sauce in them. They're amazing! I'd love to see somebody write an article on Korean leaf veggies, actually. Waitak (talk) 23:32, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Traductions

Hi Waitak,

I'm glad you're interested in translation! There is always plenty that can be done in this area. In my opinion, the most valuable French-to-English translation work to be done is the translation of featured, French-Wikipedia articles that have no English-Wikipedia counterparts. Examples include fr:Arnt van der Dussen, fr:Catherine de Parthenay, fr:Chevaux légendaires dans le Jura, fr:Cycle de vie du tigre, fr:Ducasse d'Ath, fr:Giovanni IV Crispo, fr:Histoire de Corfou, fr:Histoire de l'École supérieure de physique et de chimie industrielles de la ville de Paris, fr:Histoire du terme Wallon, fr:Installations de première classe du Titanic, fr:Ligne de Montérolier - Buchy à Saint-Saëns, fr:Mines du Laurion, fr:Mouvement national tunisien, fr:Ours dans la culture, fr:Parc du Thabor, fr:Pollicitation en droit civil français, fr:Préhistoire de Malte, and fr:Protagonistes de la guerre de Palestine de 1948. I was successful in translating the Carabane article from its featured, French-Wikipedia counterpart and getting it featured on the English Wikipedia. If you decide to do the same with any other featured, French-Wikipedia articles, please let me know if I can be of any assistance. I hope one of the articles listed above interests you.

Happy editing,

Neelix (talk) 20:27, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

List of English words containing Q not followed by U

Hi Waitak,

Thanks for the suggestion! Unfortunately, there is a plethora of proper nouns containing q not followed by u. I appreciate your improvement and endorsement of the list.

Happy editing,

Neelix (talk) 16:23, 14 January 2012 (UTC)