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Question on use of the plural in measurements[edit]

Good evening,

An editor has proposed a series of article moves along the lines of "Kilometers per hour" to "Kilometer per hour".[1][2] An unreliable source states "In Standard English, [the use of the plural] crucially depends on whether the phrase is prenominal or not. Prenominally, the phrase will not show plural marking, while elsewhere it will have the normal plural marking, as appropriate."[3] This summary reflects my understanding of correct practice, but I am not aware of a more reliable source that spells out this distinction. I'd welcome a cite if you know of one.

Many thanks,

Garamond Lethet
04:26, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

The question of whether or not an expression is pronominal is relevant to contextual occurrences, but irrelevant to article titles where the expression is used in isolation. A hypothetical article title "Fifty-kilometer-per-hour speed limit" should have the singular form of the measurement unit and also hyphens, in harmony with WP:HYPHEN, sub-subsection 3, point 3.
I examined WP:PLURAL (version of 11:51, 25 April 2013), and I found it to support the singular form "Kilometer per hour" and the singular form "Kilometer". See also
Wavelength (talk) 17:56, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
You just might have changed my mind. Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Garamond Lethet
19:13, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Talk back[edit]

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Wavelength (talk) 21:02, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Lists of lawsuits[edit]

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Category:Lists of lawsuits, which you created, has been nominated for merging to Category:Case law lists. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you.RevelationDirect (talk) 02:43, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for notifying me.
Wavelength (talk) 03:01, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Holiday Cheer[edit]

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Wavelength (talk) 17:13, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

root resorption[edit]

Hi wavelength. Re your added see also link on tooth wear. I am not sure if you added this term to the see also because i. you consider it a type of tooth wear, or ii. just a similar type of process...

To clarify, my understanding is that external and internal root resorption are more akin to osteoclastic processes, while tooth wear is more wear and tear by mechanical friction with other teeth, from toothbrushes, and from acidic conditions in the mouth which demineralize the dental hard tissues.

So, that see also may or may not be appropriate, depends why it is there. Lesion (talk) 23:22, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Never mind, I see you already reverted this change before I posted this message. Lesion (talk) 23:26, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual of Style[edit]

I think reverting these changes agreed by the community back in October was rather bad form. I invite you to join the discussion on the talk page towards deciding what to do next. For future reference, I request that you inform me if you undo any of my edits, as I would do were the situation reversed. Thanks, --John (talk) 22:13, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

I replied at 00:37, 27 December 2013 (UTC).
Wavelength (talk) 03:59, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Glossary of Texas A&M University terms[edit]

Howdy, concerning your change to Silver Taps in A&M Glossary of eliminating hyphen, you may wish to consider changing "...who..." to "...whom..." to be grammatically correct. Gig' em GROAD '71 GROAD '71 (talk) 04:55, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

I edited "Glossary of Texas A&M University terms" at 16:51, 18 January 2014. The relative pronoun "who" is the subject of the verb "died", and should not be changed to "whom". Please see "Who (pronoun)".
Wavelength (talk) 06:35, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you so much for your help! I am a Wikipedia newbie, but a long time researcher of nuclear and environmental issues. I appreciate your help and assistance. You are AWESOME!!! Netherzone (talk) 03:09, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for this kudos.—Wavelength (talk) 21:57, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you so much for helping me translate a Russian talk page message--as a non-Russophone--by looking up and linking to each of the words on Wiktionary! Wow!  :-) Cogito-Ergo-Sum (14) (talk) 00:05, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
(1) Thank you for this kudos. (2) I endeavored to link to an entry for the lemma of each word in the text, and I succeeded for most of the words, but a few of the lemmas were apparently missing Wiktionary entries. (3) I delayed this reply until I could link to the discussion in its archived state at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Language/2014 February 6#Russian Text.
Wavelength (talk) 17:01, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


Hi Wavelength. You're normally better than this, sticking in your links to direct people to Watchtower resources only when they contain some information that plausibly helps answer their question. However, you've stuck in a few very questionable replies over the last few days, especially (but not only) the Moon one. Now I do understand that you feel it is very important to get people to read this literature, and to direct them to the Watchtower's website where there are all sorts of other Jehovah's Witness documents written specifically to convince people of the rightness of the Watchtower. I understand this is important to you. But this is not the place, and if you keep doing this sort of thing you're just setting the Jehovah's Witnesses up as something ridiculous. You also risk people becoming less tolerant of this behaviour, as it becomes more obvious what you are doing. If you're not careful, all your links will start getting deleted, and then you won't be able to direct anyone that way.

So I appeal to you within your own worldview: this behaviour is counterproductive. You've gone to the trouble of avoiding officially naming yourself as a Jehovah's Witness, even when directly asked, presumably to be more effective in this activity. Sticking in links that do not in any way answer the question risks getting all your proselytising labelled spam, and deleted.

Feel free to delete this post once you have read it: I won't mind, and I won't pursue this in any way. (talk) 20:48, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your cautionary message. ( There is a time to be quiet, and there is a time to speak. (Ecclesiastes 3:7)
I pondered whether to follow your suggestion and to delete your message, and I pondered whether to reply and what options to choose in relation to various aspects of a reply. (Proverbs 15:28)
Contributions from the IP address are recorded at
Contributions made by me in February 2014 (UTC) are recorded at
I searched on that page for wikipedia:reference desk, and I found 20 results, including several which are relevant to your message.
Those discussions have been archived.
In the discussion about the Moon, I provided the link, which attributes tides on the Earth mainly to the Moon, and which credits the Moon for the Earth's stable spin axis. Both of those phenomena are important for life on Earth.
Wavelength (talk) 16:13, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Sexism in the family[edit]

There is currently an ongoing deletion discussion for the article regarding Sexism in the family. Your input would greatly be appreciated.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 155blue (talkcontribs) 02:10, 28 February 2014

Thank you for this notification. In the history of the article, I made exactly three contributions.
Wavelength (talk) 18:46, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
For my own convenience, I am adding a link to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sexism in the family (2nd nomination).
Wavelength (talk) 20:11, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

An RfC that you may be interested in...[edit]

As one of the previous contributors to {{Infobox film}} or as one of the commenters on it's talk page, I would like to inform you that there has been a RfC started on the talk page as to implementation of previously deprecated parameters. Your comments and thoughts on the matter would be welcomed. Happy editing!

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Thank you for this notification. My username is not listed at Contributors (maximum: 1000) for Template:Infobox film, but it is listed at Contributors (maximum: 1000) for Template talk:Infobox film, with five (5) contributions.
That discussion is archived at Template talk:Infobox film/Archive 18#"Country" field (November 2010).
Wavelength (talk) 19:34, 8 March 2014 (UTC) and 20:06, 8 March 2014 (UTC)


Good job in the math and physics articles! YohanN7 (talk) 07:32, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Dictionary definitions for some of the expressions are difficult to find, even in Wolfram Alpha (Wolfram MathWorld: The Web's Most Extensive Mathematics Resource). Parts of my reply are numbered for convenient reference.
  1. For the expressions "one-dimensional(ly,ity)" through "nine-dimensional(ly,ity)", each of my edit summaries refers to one or more of the Wiktionary entries from "one-dimensional" through "four-dimensional". I have already proceeded through almost all articles that use those expressions.
  2. MOS:NUMERAL has general guidelines for numbers as figures or words, but I am inclined to leave figures as figures, in forms composed with figures, such as "2-dimensional", "3-dimensional", and "4-dimensional", in articles about topics in mathematics and physics. Wiktionary has entries for those three forms. I have not yet hyphenated the forms lacking hyphens.
  3. For "finite-dimensional(ly)" and "infinite-dimensional(ly)", my edit summaries refer to wikt:finite-dimensional. I am in the midst of proceeding through these expressions at this moment.
  4. For the expressions "high-dimensional(ly)", "higher-dimensional(ly)", "low-dimensional(ly)", and "lower-dimensional(ly)", Wiktionary has no entries at this time, but the hyphenated forms seem to be preferable from a logical perspective.
  5. The expressions "finite-dimensionality", "infinite-dimensionality", "high-dimensionality", "higher-dimensionality", "low-dimensionality", and "lower-dimensionality" seem to be acceptable either with or without the hyphens, but the hyphenated forms are consistent with "one-dimensionality", "two-dimensionality", "three-dimensionality", and "four-dimensionality".
  6. For the expressions "pseudo-three-dimensional", "pseudo-3-dimensional", "quasi-three-dimensional", "quasi-3-dimensional", and similar expressions, I am planning to use the doubly hyphenated forms.
  7. For each expression like "(n + 1)-dimensional", I am planning to use a pair of parentheses and a hyphen.
Wavelength (talk) 18:35, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
These are additional types of expressions with "dimensional(ly,ity)".
  • 8. For each expression like "no-more-than-three-dimensional(ly,ity)", I am planning to use a series of hyphens.
  • 9. For "even-dimensional(ly)", "odd-dimensional(ly)", and "any-dimensional(ly)", Wiktionary has no entries at this time, but the hyphenated forms seem to be preferable from a logical perspective.
  • 10. The expressions "even-dimensionality", "odd-dimensionality", and "any-dimensionality" seem to be acceptable either with or without the hyphens, but the hyphenated forms are consistent with "one-dimensionality", "two-dimensionality", "three-dimensionality", and "four-dimensionality".
  • 11. I do not see any difference in meaning between "non-finite" and "infinite", so I am planning to change "non-finite-dimensional(ly,ity)" to "infinite-dimensional(ly,ity)".
Wavelength (talk) 16:39, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Here are some additional comments.
  • In the course of my recent series of changes from unhyphenated forms to "high-dimensional", I found at least one instance with "very" before "high", and I decided to leave "very" unhyphenated: thus, the adverb "very" modifies the adjective "high-dimensional". However, after reflection, I have decided to incorporate the word "very" in the hyphenation, producing "very-high-dimensional": thus, the adverb "very" modifies the adjective "high", and the adjective phrase "very high" (hyphenated as "very-high") modifies the adjective "dimensional". This is similar to "very high frequency" (shortened to "VHF") modifying "omnidirectional range" in "VHF omnidirectional range", although "frequency" itself is a noun, whereas "dimensional" is an adjective. Also, I have found at least one instance with "extremely" before "high", and I left "extremely" unhyphenated, but I have now decided to incorporate "extremely" in the hyphenation.
  • I have found "high" used immediately before "dimensional stability" and "dimensional accuracy", which are noun phrases with their own meanings: thus, in "high dimensional stability", "high" modifies "dimensional stability", and in "high dimensional accuracy", "high" modifies "dimensional accuracy". The word "high" should not be hyphenated in those expressions.
Wavelength (talk) 02:26, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Re your revert of my image removal[edit]

My image removal was not unexplained. I stated clearly, rm example image, meaning that I removed File:Example.jpg. I have seen that when some editors use the insert picture gallery button and replace the first example with their image, they forget to remove the second example. --Auric talk 19:39, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

In my reversion (at 19:34, 13 March 2014) of your revision of Wikipedia talk:Language recognition chart, my use of the word "unexplained" referred to the absence of a reason in your edit summary. The image was added at 17:33, 20 October 2012, and removal of it in March 2014 seemed to be an unhelpful revision of a contribution by another editor (WP:TPOC). I now understand your reason for removing the image, and I intend to leave your removal unreverted, if you wish to remove it again.
Wavelength (talk) 20:05, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Category:Environmental award winners[edit]

Category:Environmental award winners, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. DexDor (talk) 06:06, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for this notification.—Wavelength (talk) 21:20, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Category:Indianapolis Prize winners[edit]

Category:Indianapolis Prize winners, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. DexDor (talk) 06:40, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for this notification.—Wavelength (talk) 14:35, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Category:Goldman Environmental Prize winners[edit]

Category:Goldman Environmental Prize winners, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. DexDor (talk) 06:45, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for this notification.—Wavelength (talk) 14:36, 30 March 2014 (UTC)