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For tireless vandalism reverts and all-around improvements to classical-themed articles, I

hereby award Wetman the epic barnstar Erik the Red 2 (AVE·CAESAR) 01:47, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

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For your elegant editing of Swan House. Edwardx (talk) 13:03, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for your first hundred. Keep up the good work. With 50K plus edits then we need a few more for DYK, however we have over 100 articles so far. Thanks again Victuallers (talk) 21:43, 2 July 2008 (UTC)



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User:Furius[edit]

If you have time, you might take a look at the translations this user has been busy doing from German etc on a variety of subjects from classical and Early Medieval art & architecture, many more your area than mine - eg Campana reliefs & some Greek vases. There's a list on his user page. Few references, & all to works in the original languages. The categories are rarely complete, and linking is a tad erratic. Johnbod (talk) 12:30, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

ouch. Furius (talk) 21:18, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
No hurt was intended, I'm sure. Don't worry about links and other wikification, Furius: I think Campana reliefs are well served by your recent editing. My further edits are for concision, emphasis and improved clarity for the unprepared readership of Wikipedia. I hope they all make sense to you. A photo caption somehow got transposed: I corrected it from the image title.--Wetman (talk) 22:15, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't think you see it, which is no excuse of course. Campana reliefs was only a redirect to the section at Ancient Roman pottery before. Thanks both! Johnbod (talk) 01:37, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

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Novelas ejemplares is a set of novellas, not short stories[edit]

Dear Wetman,

i'm sorry, but Novelas ejemplares is a set of novellas, not short stories.

Best regards,
--Hgfernan (talk) 19:10, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Oh quite right: "short story" has a specific. circumscribed meaning. "Short prose tales" might be better. --Wetman (talk) 03:24, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Dark store[edit]

Re your edit. I'm sorry, but I don't see the connection. I suspect that you're trying to infer the etymology of the term, but would you have any sources to support the assertion? -- Ohc ¡digame! 05:12, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

It isn't "etymology" when the meaning in Italian is plain. I don't think any suggestion is being made that the English term derives from this, but Wetman can confirm. Johnbod (talk) 12:21, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Since the store is actually lit, then it is certainly not literally "dark". If "dark" is not not literal, then the expression is referring some other "dark" store. Does User:Ohconfucius have another analogy? Dark matter? Dark theatres? Botteghe Oscure are not as obscure as, perhaps, he imagines. Certainly the journalist who coined the term is unlikely to have been unfamiliar with the via delle Botteghe Oscure; but it would not improve Wikipedia to suppress the footnote.--Wetman (talk) 16:57, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Precious[edit]

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history with precision
Thank you, editor for more than a decade, for quality articles to Wikipedia as a reader's guide, such as Humanist minuscule and Jean-Pierre Latz, for quality clarifications, such as for Residenz Ansbach and Mathilde, Abbess of Essen, extinctions and glaciations, New York City, you name it, for "The history of daily life interests me more than battles", and for dealing with water, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Gerda, I shall retain your glowing compliment as a sticky at the head of this page forever. You even noticed two of my favorites, Jean-Pierre Latz and Humanist minuscule, of which my own father observed "It was too abstruse to retain my attention." sigh But isn't that Diana Villiers' blue diamond, that she was buried with?--Wetman (talk) 15:38, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
That is a Yogo sapphire, see more on my talk, where I recently recieved another award to stay, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:46, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Gosh, sorry about that. (last revert) New it is going to happen. No, not me. Try to fing some nice ref on it, and it might work... Maybe can added as "of natural causes just before the ..break out. Personally, I like that part. Hafspajen (talk) 17:49, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

New Category[edit]

Added Category:Wikipedians who edit Wikipedia to your User Page, for your approval. A little humor! If you don't like, you can of course remove.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:57, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

reftag tool[edit]

Here's a nice tool I used to quickly improve the syntax of the ref at [1]: http://reftag.appspot.com/ You may find it useful. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 23:44, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Piotrus. I'll bookmark that. --Wetman (talk) 00:20, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

The Periplus[edit]

Re [2], yes that's the one. Paul August 21:09, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for checking it.--Wetman (talk) 22:03, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Grey triggerfish[edit]

I noticed your improvements to Grey triggerfish and other articles I have recently written, for which thank you. With regard to your edit summary about the nests of the triggerfish, I would also like to know the answer. The nests are mentioned in the sources but not what and how they are made, information I would have included in the article if I had known it. There's not much I can do about that! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:05, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

At the Florida Museum of Natural History site I see "...nests on the bottom substrate... a hollow nest scooped out of the sand." The article reads "The males prepare up to a dozen nests just above the seabed," which was hard to visualize.- Let me change it to follow FLMNH. -Wetman (talk) 17:13, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Atopodentatus[edit]

Hi, my use of "atopo" in the etymology of Atopodentatus was verifiably referenced. Your addition, no doubt more accurate, needs a reference too please. Request you to kindly oblige. :) AshLin (talk) 02:00, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

English-Greek Dictionary: άτοπος Always glad to oblige, though dictionary words are not ordinarily referenced with a citation eh. If Atopo were indeed Latin, you'd be able to provide a dictionary citation too, if I were so insistent as to demand it. Which I am not, of course. --Wetman (talk) 02:55, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for improving the etymology & providing the ref. The info I had added was from the Sci-news.com source. As far as etymology goes, its all Greek & Latin to me. ;) Thanks once again. AshLin (talk) 04:29, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
You're most welcome. Perhaps I can help with scientific name etymologies in future. Try me. --Wetman (talk) 04:38, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Draugr, recently moved to Draug, should be moved back. The discussion may be found at Talk:Draug#New requested move discussion: return article to Draugr. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:02, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Edit to John Cabot[edit]

Hi there, FYI the following message which is related to an edit that you made:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:John_Cabot#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_5_March_2014

Regards, 86.161.61.32 (talk) 20:34, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Not to my edit; I merely improved the photo caption.--Wetman (talk) 22:53, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm referring to this edit, in which you (reasonably) tried to fix the article flow, but actually you were "fixing" a paragraph that was earlier randomly copied and pasted from another part of the article, either in error or vandalism, and should just have ben deleted per my request on the talk page. 00:16, 7 March 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.61.32 (talk)
I see, I see. I've deleted the garbled repeat.--Wetman (talk) 01:12, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Great, thanks very much for doing that. 86.160.82.222 (talk) 20:48, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Cabinetry[edit]

Hi! What do you think of this one? It seems a mix of cabinet and cabinetmaking, which is not really, or only, the making of cabinets. "Cabinetry" sounds very odd to English ears - is it a common term in American? Johnbod (talk) 02:11, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, in the sense of "an aspect of a kitchen's style is its cabinetry." Sounds a bit like "silversmithy", doesn't it? But "joinery" rolls off the tongue idiomatically enough, though I see it's been divided into practical and "historical". The American bias of Wikipedia seems less intrusive nowadays than it did a decade ago.
I looked at the edit history of Early Netherlandish painting, thinking to see your thumbprint, but did not. I saw a couple of the less-collegiate editors there though, and shied off.--Wetman (talk) 15:33, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
No, I did a bit, but let the sorely-missed User:Stomme take the lead back then. I kept meaning to join the push for FA, but didn't much in the end. Not sure what, if anything, to do about the cabinets. Johnbod (talk) 04:57, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Both Cabinet-making and Cabinet making now redirect, so no child is left behind.--Wetman (talk) 16:23, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Chicken[edit]

Another query on American usage; is chicken really the name of a species? Johnbod (talk) 01:58, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

...as in "there are more chickens in the world than any other species of bird"? Would you prefer "there are more chickens in the world than any wild species of bird"?--Wetman (talk) 02:41, 19 March 2014 (UTC).
Does no one keep "hens"? Obviously that has "gender issues" (and species issues) & the language has never quite grappled with the matter successfully, but "hens" or "domestic fowl" is what I would expect to find as a chapter title in a British farming manual, at least until very recently, with chicken being immature birds or the meat. Johnbod (talk) 02:49, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Americans can't bring themselves to utter "cocks" and "asses", so we have "roosters" and "donkeys". An antique Southern story has a sheriff and deputies tracking an escapee (Black of course in the original) as far as a farmyard. The sheriff sends two men to search the barn, two to search the woodshed and two to search the henhouse, from which a voice says "Nobody in here but us chickens, Boss." --Wetman (talk) 03:00, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
...and sa Wikipedia search brings up "Ain't Nobody Here but Us Chickens"--Wetman (talk) 03:13, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
"'Deed, sah, dey ain't nobody hyah 'ceptin' us chickens" in the earliest printed version, per there. It's a rather odd twist on the usual English meat/animal distinction, and can't be blamed on the Normans at least. We Brits have donkeys as well as asses; somehow I think of asses as leaner, meaner types, more mule-like. I'm not sure if this has any basis in anything. The earliest OED cite is a dictionary of 1785, where it was defined as a male ass only. It had evidently become the usual term by the time the OED reached D, perhaps for the same reasons as in America. Johnbod (talk) 14:27, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Don't Brits slightly flatten the vowel in ass to distinguish it from arhotic *rse?--Wetman (talk) 22:19, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Certainly, so I don't think they are confusable in any dialect (rash claim). Even so, the thought may linger on.... Now most people who don't read the bible probably wouldn't understand ass, but as we mainly associate donkeys with pets and children's rides on the beach, I think most bible translations stick with ass there. Johnbod (talk) 23:37, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia's Palm Sunday is "donkey" all the way, but why poke a hornet nest?--Wetman (talk) 23:52, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts![edit]

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Your name came up on a Wikipediocracy thread about solid content writers who don't get the credit they deserve and I just wanted to drop by and do a little of that. Thanks for your work on behalf of The Project! Carrite (talk) 02:35, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
But I do feel appreciated, almost to the point of undercutting the zen of Wikipedia, which is precisely that you don't get the credit you deserve, very much as happens in Real Life. I must say that I enjoy a barnstar, though one has so little opportunity nowadays of wearing them! Thank you. --Wetman (talk) 03:48, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

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VIZ Mr Perring's splendid article...[edit]

Thank you for your subtle and wise edits to John Perring. I love reading the Gentleman's Magazine. Any help on my quest to start articles for all the 19-century Lord Mayors would be much appreciated. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 10:22, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, especially for "subtle". "Miss Perring" would signify the eldest, Elizabeth; the others would have been "Miss Jane Perring" and "Miss Laura Perring"... well, as you know from Pride and Prejudice. I've linked your man at the dab page John Perring. All the Lords Mayor are in DNB, for starting points. GoogleScholar brings up additional interesting stuff if you search each name. It's a worthwhile project: shouldn't take more than your every spare moment for the rest of the year eh... If you pass the articles by me, alerting me here at the TalkPage, I may be able to buff up some phrasing. Or avoid the memorable vision of the Lord Mayor, fully robed, taking the Spanish Ambassador gracefully by the hand and leading him to the dance floor.--Wetman (talk) 15:13, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


You have been nominated for a gift from the Wikimedia Foundation![edit]

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I'd be delighted to have a Wikipedia t-shirt.--Wetman (talk) 12:15, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Wetman: It looks like this ("XXL").--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:53, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
You were telepathically reading my hesitation about a t-shirt! But that's quite a sensible one: I could wear it. Mine would be plain "L" however. How do I ask for it?--Wetman (talk) 14:27, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Tell JMatthews as above. They have a variety of designs though, but most are relatively .... discreet. Johnbod (talk) 14:38, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Ah! done! thank you both.--Wetman (talk) 14:45, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

A first[edit]

time that I had an edit conflict in article creation ;) - Melchior Teschner, I also didn't like a red link in lead and infobox of his hymn, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:33, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

I searched his name and saw he was already mentioned elsewhere in English Wikipedia, so I just translated the essentials from de:wiki.--Wetman (talk) 21:45, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
I saw your red link and thought that rather than changing it to ill ({{ill|de|name}}) I could create the article ;) - I linked a few times, and we have Teschner now--Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
ps: I just declined the offer of a t-shirt ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:10, 13 April 2014 (UTC)


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Responded, with thanks, from Skeptical Aquarist.--Wetman (talk) 15:08, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

My guess is[edit]

that you do not mean this http://www.truckertompodcast.com/?p=232, but there is probably more. I have fairly recently moved in with and am taking care of my 91 year old mother. Time as I used to know it has little meaning. My books, including my materials collected on the Madonna of the Trail are largely in boxes in the garage. Still, it's an article that needs something to happen. We'll see. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 02:04, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

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Buffalo Creek[edit]

Hi. I can live with the current version of the 1st paragraph of the history section. Just a few minor points: 1) Would you mind removing the citation needed tag from the lead? That same information is clearly stated (and cited) down in the history section, so does not need to be cited in the lead. 2) Would you be able to standardize the references you've added so that they're in line with the citation style used in the rest of the article. 3) Isn't there a better source than another Wikipedia article for ref 12? Thanks, --Jakob (talk) (my editor review) 19:50, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Sure. Citation out, but how is Buffalo Mountain asserted to bd "named for Buffalo Creek" and not simply for 'buffalo' or the creek named for the conspicuous mountain? I added the IUCN List of Threatened Species for states where bison are 'regionally extinct'. However, I don't see how to fit the second-hand citation "Allen 1942, noted in Endangered Species Handbook: The Eastern Forests" into your favored formula and I failed to successfully include essential information about the Catesby plate and the publication (1875) of Allen and its republicationb (1877); perhaps the formula isn't flexible enough. This has taken the better part of an hour. --Wetman (talk) 15:17, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Altamura Man[edit]

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I have improved the English; not a sound reason to delete the article rather than edit it. The given references are worth glancing at.--Wetman (talk)

Early usage of the word "Buff"[edit]

Thanks for the early usage of the word "Buff", but is that referring to the color or the coat? Maybe the coat usage predates the color usage. If so, maybe that fact should be on the other article. Chrisrus (talk) 20:26, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

It seems so unlikely that someone, even in the 17th century, might be convinced that it was the color of the coat that likened it to armor in protecting Sir Edmund Verney in battle, that I confess it hadn't actually crossed my mind.--Wetman (talk) 22:55, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
Well, as the article states, both the word for the color and the word for jacket came from the word for the leather, which came from the word for the animal. Chrisrus (talk) 00:14, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Follow-up from #Buffalo_Creek[edit]

Can we please restore the Buffalo Creek article to this revision? I don't see how the content you added is particularly relevant to the subject at hand. It's also synthesizing/original research (you're implying that the McCool ref is wrong when nothing specifically debunks it. Unreliable sources like Wikipedia articles and images without context are still being used. --Jakob (talk) 19:28, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

The text that Jakob doesn't like:
The etymology of Buffalo Creek's name recalls the extinct subspecies of the [[American Bison]], ''Bison bison pennsylvanicus'' hunted to extinction by 1800.<ref>Compare [[List of mammals of West Virginia#Recent eradications and near-eradications]]; a comprehensive list of states whgere ''Bison bison'' is "regionally extinct is given in the [http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/2815/0 Red List of Threatened Species].</ref> The last herd of Eastern bison was slaughtered in Union County, Pennsylvania, in the winter of 1799-1800: the last individuals of this race were killed near Charleston, West Virginia in 1825.<ref>Allen 1942, noted in [http://www.endangeredspecieshandbook.org/dinos_eastern.php Endangered Species Handbook: The Eastern Forests].</ref> In the 1700s, it was one of eight streams named Buffalo Creek in Pennsylvania.<ref name = "hist"/> Though the Eastern Wood Buffalo was illustrated by [[Mark Catesby]] in the ''Appendix'' to his ''Natural History of Carolina, Florida and the Bahama Islands'' (1747), <ref>Catesby, "Buffalo with Bristly Locust Tree", ''Appendix'', pl 28; [http://people.virginia.edu/~mgf2j/bison.jpg ''illustration''] </ref> as early as 1875 Joseph Asaph Allen asserted in ''History of the American Bison (Bison americanus)'' "<ref>Allen, ''The American Bisons, Living and Extinct'', Ninth Annual Report of the U.S. geological Survey, 1875, reprinted as ''History of the American Bison (Bison americanus)''. Geological Survey, Washington 1877.</ref> that "buffalo" were never found east of the [[Allegheny Mountains]]. A more recent source asserts that except for legends, there is virtually no evidence that any buffalo ever lived in the Buffalo Creek area. However, some residents of the nearby village of [[Cowan, Pennsylvania|Cowan]] claim that depressions on the northern bank of Buffalo Creek are [[buffalo wallow]]s.<ref name= "hist">{{Citation|author = Charles McCool Snyder, John W. Downie, Lois Kalp|url = http://books.google.com/books?id=-yGYCsElEsMC&printsec=frontcover&dq=union+county,+pa|title = Union County, Pennsylvania: A Celebration of History|year= 2000}}</ref> --Wetman (talk) 19:01, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Henri Blondel: Charles Garnier's nephew, actually ?[edit]

Where did you find that the architect Henri Blondel was Charles Garnier's nephew ? You introduced this information in the article which is now The Westin Paris – Vendôme in October 2007, and it has now propagated into the French-speaking version of the article. But Blondel was older than Garnier, Blondel's mother was called Petitjean, whereas Garnier's wife was a Ms Bary. No obvious relationship. Other sources even tell that Henri Blondel was Garnier's son-in-law, which does not seem more realistic, since Garnier (officially ...) only has sons. Without a reference, I think we shall have to stamp the information as dubious, at least. Glidepil (talk) 12:25, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't know now whether it was I who mistranslated gendre. Anyway, "Henri Blondel (1832-97), son-in-law of Charles Garnier" states Elaine Denby in Grand Hotels: Reality and Illusion (1998:85). I found this by googling Charles+Blondel Henri+Garnier. After double-checking, you might want to insert the reference into the article. -Wetman (talk) 14:35, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Well then, I've inserted the reference myself, correcting the text to suit it.--Wetman (talk) 11:23, 23 July 2014 (UTC)