User talk:Wiki dr mahmad

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Nation[edit]

Are you from India or Pakistan.(Dewan 21:17, 18 August 2009 (UTC))

October 2007[edit]

Information.svg Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, adding content without citing a reliable source, as you did to India, is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you are already familiar with Wikipedia:Citing sources please take this opportunity to add your original reference to the article. Thank you. Gscshoyru 04:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


REPLY FROM Wiki dr mahmad 15:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

THANKS FOR YOUR MESSAGE AND USEFUL COMMENTS. I AM A NEWBIE/BIGINNER CONTRIBUTER HERE, THOUGH AN YEAR OLD VISITOR OF THIS SITE. IN IMMEDIATE FUTURE, I HAVE DECIDED TO CONFINE MYSELF TO EDITORIAL IMPROVEMENTS ONLY, WHEN I NOTICE A NEED FOR THE SAME. I AM Ph.D., RETIRED, WITH ENOUGH TIME AND LONG EXPERIENCE IN COPY EDITING OF SCIENTIFIC/TECHNICAL PUBLICATIONS. I HOPE THIS IS THE WAY TO EXCHANGE MESSAGES HERE.

In future, I will avoid caps/bold letters in messaging. Please bear with me this time. Thanks and regards.

Sources of help[edit]

Yes, it is confusing at first, and I'm afraid I can't answer your specific question; but there are places you can get help. You could start with WP:Help, WP:Questions, and WP:FAQ, and you can ask specific questions at WP:Help Desk. Also be aware of the Sandbox where you can try experimental edits without harming any real articles. Good luck! - JohnCD 15:46, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks John. Have a nice day. Wiki dr mahmad 17:37, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


Saharanpur[edit]

Thanks for your excellent emendation of the Saharanpur article!

Would you have any pictures of the Company Garden? This would make a real contribution if we could include it. There's real history to this place.Fconaway (talk) 08:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Fconaway. I do not have a picture right now. But, will try to get one when I visit Saharanpur. Wiki dr mahmad

Requesting Help on Template:Countries_of_the_Indosphere[edit]

Hello, I've noticed you're doing a good job improving upon the South Asia article, an article I watch and frequently edit. A user named Atari400 has begun a new edit war on Template:Countries_of_the_Indosphere. He is frequently removing Afghanistan and Balochistan from the template. He claims that there is a consensus against them being there and that its placement has nationalistic overtones and that the Indosphere is neologism. In short, I am asking for you to display your opinion on the matter on the template's talk page. Thank you Thegreyanomaly (talk) 20:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

India[edit]

I am busy at the moment but should be able to get back to the India issue on the weekend. My suggestion is that something like our text should go at the top of the talk page where most editors will look - I think they are your intended audience. The "casual" reader of the page should find that information if they click through to the appropriate articles. I'll be back on the weekend. Cheers, (John User:Jwy talk) 17:09, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

See Talk:India#Complications about use of the word "India" for my suggestion of how this should be done. I expect there to be some discussion about it on that page. Cheers, (John User:Jwy talk) 09:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Re:History of Pakistan[edit]

In response to your post on my talkpage about the edits to History of Pakistan:

  • Thank you for the latest edits; they are definitely NPOV. It makes it easier when there are two pairs of eyes scrutinising the text. :)
  • My aim is to bring the article up to featured article standards but I took a couple of weeks break from the article mainly because of the holidays.
  • Just for comparison, please look at the version of the article when I started hacking away at it in mid-November 2007.

Green Giant (talk) 18:11, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year to you as well. Feel free to chip in as much as you can, it would be much appreciated. :) Green Giant (talk) 14:05, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Mountbatten and Gandhi/Nehru[edit]

Sorry I have been busy at work so I have not yet got round to finding the book. I hope to be free to do some editing in a couple of days.

On a sidenote I would like your opinion on a somewhat drastic change to the History of Pakistan article. When I started chipping away at the article I was concerned that there was far too much coverage of events up to the end of the 19th century CE but not enough focus on the more relevant 20th and 21st centuries. I feel that this "prehistory" of Mehrgarh, the Indus Valley Civilization, Taxila, the Indo-Greeks, Bactrians, Delhi Sultanate, Mughal Empire and the British Raj is better left to the relevant articles daughter articles and History of South Asia and History of India. I am aware that the official line in Pakistan is that the history of the country really began with the arrival of Bin Qasim but we need to be more neutral and focus on the modern history from the founding of the Muslim League onwards. I think we need to replace three entire sections (Prehistory, Muslim period, and Colonial era) which currently take up some 25KB (out of 93KB) with a much shorter single section taking up no more than about 5 KB. However I would want to retain as many of the citations from those sections as possible, except the ones from Britannica and About.com. Citing these websites feels too much like citing a Wikipedia article when what we really need is the source that the Britannica or About.com got their information from. Thanks - Green Giant (talk) 17:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Reply. GG, I am actually new here and do mostly copy edits. But, left to me, I would follow a research paper like approach: the lead section to be an ‘abstract’ and the rest of the article very concise, to the point narrative, with references/links for detailed info on specifics. Unfortunately, new nations carved out of older ones face the liability of historical baggage and if they are also antagonistic then you have had it! In fact, ‘heroes’ for one side are often ‘plundering invaders’ for the other. In the present case, details may not be available in a language that a Pakistani, or observers say from UN, would consider neutral. For historical reasons and motives, the language has remained Indo-centric, lately acquiring even Indian ‘nationalistic’ overtones and agenda. If bias can be eliminated from the detailed articles to be referenced/linked from ‘History of Pakistan’ then your proposed approach is ideal. My two cents! Regards. Wiki dr mahmad (talk) 05:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your message at my talk page - I will soon be ready to cut the start of the article down to a more appropriate size. Green Giant (talk) 00:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Darul Uloom Deoband[edit]

Hi. Your recent addition to this article certainly seems to be both useful and NPoV. One other thing that would help is a reference for the information you provided. From experience, when articles get into a state in which they need a major clean-up, unreferenceed material that is not obvious usually gets removed. Thanks. Imc (talk) 12:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Indian Religions[edit]

Dear Wiki dr mahmad. Thanks for your edits to Indian religions. Your edits show a lot of clarity of thought and respect for others' view points. However, I noticed one error when you wrote Jainism as founded in 6th century: which would incorrect as Parsva the 23rd Jina of 9th Century BCE is a historical figure and most scholars hold Jainism as as old as vedic religion. This is just for your info. Please do contributing. Thanks.--Anish (talk) 06:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


Review on Saharanpur[edit]

For a detailed view please refer to my earlier inputs at the discussion page of ‘Saharanpur’. My argument is for a separate paragraph on ‘Handicrafts’ in ‘Saharanpur’ page. We just can’t ignore or downplay something a city is known for. What wooden handicraft is to Saharanpur, Lock work is to Aligarh, Metal craft is to Moradabad and carpet is to Bhadoi etc. Is it not fair & well deserved to mention some information about the locals who gave this identity?

My recommendation for content includes a separate paragraph based on these points: -

1. Atta Husain was a Kashimi Sheikh migrant, who started his career by manufacturing small utility carved items & selling them into the local market.

2. There were other migrants also who were also engaged & contributed in this trade however none was as significant as this family, which is remembered today by all the industry related people, which comprises almost half of city’s population, as father of wooden handicrafts industry.

3. At a time when handicrafts work in Saharanpur was at primitive stage with very few local artisans catering to domestic market without any concept of creativity, innovation and marketing, his sons formed ‘S.M.Imam M.Ikram’ a company, which revolutionized the whole industry & introduced factories, mass production and export that turned this industry as it is today, which was the factor behind Saharanpur’s handicraft identity in global market.

4. In today’s scenario there are other major players in this industry but the initiative of origin & development however remains with ‘S.M.Imam M.Ikram.'

5. The profiling of the city’s culture and heritage is incomplete without the mention of Jain community, their cultural presence as the oldest habitants of the region and their contribution in commerce and education.

Resouces: -

1. Although very few data or sources are available on the Internet or print media regarding the above topic except books of Dr. O.C. Handa, a renowned author and expert in Himalayan region, who has published not less than 37 books and Madhu Jain, a senoir faculty in the local college. His book deals with subject directly. 'Wood Handicraft- A Study Of Its Origin And Development In Saharanpur' by O. C. Handa, Madhu Jain. ISBN: 8173871035

2. This book is an extensive research work that includes interviews with locals, photographic proofs of the awards, medals, certificates, and documents with references from various government departments and from the house of ‘S.M.Imam M.Ikram’.

I hope the above sources are substantial and ‘verifiable’, if required I can procure the above sources in physical too.

--Tauhid Alam 12:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Recent edits on Uttar Pradesh[edit]

Recently few Users have massively revamped Uttar Pradesh article. Although any positive edits are welcomed but large scale revisions and revamps are advised to be done after discussion and consensus especially on articles of priority. As you have been quite active on this article you are invited to participate in discussions on talk:Uttar Pradesh

--Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider Rizvi (talk) 10:46, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

Thanks for all your positive contributions to WP. ManasShaikh (talk) 12:21, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Help with South Asia[edit]

Hey, there is this editor User:SorenShadow who is making edits to this page about Iran not being part of South Asia. I need your help with this person. They keep reverting to an edit (made by a vandal IP) that pointlessly singles out Rutgers for not included Iran in their definition [1][2].

This is my counter edit [3]

Can you help me deal with this user, as they revert to a vandal edit. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 20:05, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Reply to welcome message,[edit]

Thanks for the welcome message I got when editing "History of Pakistan". I do write, mostly minor edits, under 'Wiki_dr_mahmad' but am too lazy to login at times. Sorry for this. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.218.211.53 (talk) 18:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Oh, you seem to be an old user then... better log in so that you can keep an eye on the articles you edit through the watchlist :] --lTopGunl (talk) 18:08, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Some years ago, I had gradually brought "His. Pak" article to a Pak-centric narrative that read with proper balance - showing its Western regions' contributions as much as of Eastern. You may see in 'View history' archive how it looked like that time. Then some Indo-centric enthusiast interfered with it so much, before he was blocked, that Pak-region looked like a back yard colony of India through out the ages. I am having a look at this article after quite some time and, surprisingly, seeing that some not all of my subsections are revived again. I shall remain in touch with you for any help, thanks for the offer. Wiki dr mahmad (talk) 23:13, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

History of Pakistan: Vandalism[edit]

You might want to keep tabs on this article, before it gets all vandalized again. It's on my watchlist too, but I'm afraid the IP is using fake edit summaries for mass blankings. [4]. --lTopGunl (talk) 12:10, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

March 2014[edit]

Information icon Thank you for your contributions. Please mark your edits, such as your recent edits to History of Pakistan, as "minor" only if they are minor edits. In accordance with Help:Minor edit, a minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. Minor edits consist of things such as typographical corrections, formatting changes or rearrangement of text without modification of content. Additionally, the reversion of clear-cut vandalism and test edits may be labeled "minor". Thank you. 220 of Borg 10:52, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

History of Hinduism[edit]

Thank you for updating this article, but "In the light of BJP's Hindutva ideology, all eyes are turned now on what his government's actions would be." is more appropriate for a news article, not an encyclopedia, so I've removed that part. Dougweller (talk) 06:59, 5 July 2014 (UTC)