User talk:Wizardprank

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Hi, I saw you added some links to Hippie and also wrote the beginning of the Zippie picnic article. Problem is, you linked to Zippie Picnic which shows a red link (at Hippie).

I'm not sure what is proper, so I'll let you know what I think are good options to fix the red link:

  1. if the name of the Zippie picnic is a proper noun, and both words should be capitalised, you could go to Zippie picnic and move the article (press the move button tab at the top) to Zippie Picnic
  2. if it is already spelled the right way: "Zippie picnic", then you could:
    1. go back to Hippie and change the link to point to Zippie picnic instead of Zippie Picnic
    2. go to Hippie and change the link to [[Zippie picnic|Zippie Picnic]] This is what's called a piped link <--- so is that one, it points at WP:PIPE but says "piped link" : [[WP:PIPE|piped link]]... I'd just change it but I'm not sure what the correct name for the Zippie picnic is.

Welcome to wikipedia, if you need anything you can't find, let me know, I'd be happy to help. Message me on my talk page if you like. User:Pedant 07:35, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, pretty easy to spot a new user, if you keep your eyes open. I saw this after seeing your red link. Glad to have a good editor on board... most people start with some kind of silly edit, then change and contribute something worthwhile... glad to see you started out with a worthwhile edit! That's a good start.

It's customary to sign your edits, the easiest way is to use four of these: ~ in a row... on my keyboard its the key above the tab key in the left corner. that does this: User:Pedant 09:04, 28 August 2006 (UTC) and three of them does a signature with no date User:Pedant and 5 of them is just a date 09:04, 28 August 2006 (UTC) ... but the custom is to use four. your user page is at User:Wizardprank and this page we are on now is User talk:Wizardprank, but you can find them easier using your navigation buttons at the top of the page... if you need anything else, feel free to ask -- me or just about anyone else.

Messages do go on the user's discussion page, you got that right. Some people like to message back and forth on the other user's page then their page and back and forth... some like to keep the conversation in one place. I don't care either way. Usually if someone has a preference, they will tell you at the top of their own talk page. You can use your User page (User:Wizardprank) to tell people about yourself, or use it for handy links or whatever you like... uh, lets see... you can look at your contributions by clicking 'my contributions' or to see another person's contributions, its Special:contributions/Pedant for mine, or look at their user page and click the user contributions link on the left. Oh yeah, a fun thing you can do is see who is talking about you, or where you are mentioned, by looking at the 'what links here' link on the left... which works on any page to find out what page has a link there. I won't fill your page up with any more junk, just explore around, and really, ask anyone if you need help. If you want to indent your comments, to stand out from other comments, you can use colons:

like this
two colons is a bigger indent etc.

asterisks make bulleted lists:

  • like this
  • and this
  1. pound/number signs make numbered lists
  2. like this
    1. two #'s do this, a nested list
    2. like this
  3. and back out of the nest with one # again
  4. click the help link to find a useful help page

or ask anyone. And since this is your page, delete anything you want... or you can move the page to an archive page by clicking the move button and moving it to a sub page like User:Wizardprank/Archive 1 August 28 2006 any page like that is your page too. Welcome aboard, see you around! User:Pedant 09:04, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Reply from Pedant[edit]

When there is enough text on a page, broken into sections and subsections using section headings, a table of contents is automatically generated...

spaces[edit]

'Your Holiness', (smiles) it looks like there's no space there but there is. There are several ways to format text to keep it formatted, one is to start a line with a space...

like this...

which will format the text as a pre-formatted section. With a box around it. With that technique though,

very long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long,long, long

lines will extend past the edge of the page, and become ugly, so you would need to keep that in mind:

when formatting your text
and include
'carriage returns'
and a space
at the beginning of
each line.
(putting a blank line between lines starts a new box)

you can also use html coding, but sparingly, not everyone knows html, and some of it won't work on the wiki (not sure what won't, but pretty sure there is some)

character entities[edit]

so you can use the html character entity (<--- look at that link, how you link to a given section within the article)   to 'hard code a space     or    multiple spaces by using more than one in a row. that doesn't seem to work any longer... hmmm

All character entities start with an ampersand '&' and end with a semicolon ';' the three that are used most on wikipedia are probably the non-breaking space (nbsp) and the em dash (mdash)— an em dash is a dash the size of the letter M, basicly a dash as wide as the font is tall: (—) as opposed to a hyphen (-) and is used where a dash would be appropriate — such as to offset text for emphasis — where a parenthesis would not be appropriate (or whereever needed).

style[edit]

the dash[edit]

The manual of style can tell you more about stylistic recommendations.. basically it says that a hyphen should not be used as a dash but that two hyphens are acceptable -- and future versions of the mediawiki software will convert two hyphens -- into a dash — there is also an en dash, rarely used which is as wide as the letter N and coded using –– (note I am using a 'nowiki' tag to 'escape' the wiki code to show you the coding, that's the third common use of html... except it isn't html really.

inline comments[edit]

Also used are comment tags <!--for instance this--> would render as this:

allowing you to insert comments inline, where appropriate. Try not to overuse any of these...

Other html[edit]

There are also insert and delete and note the closing tag is the same as the opening tag but with a '/' slash. Also underline, use very sparingly if at all and emphasis and strong which render the same as the apostrophe wikimarkup:2 apostrophes, three apostrophes, five apostrophes (which I noticed you used to start an article) ... mostly those aren't used, the apostrophe version is preferable. Also subscript and superscript or any really ugly combination of those: like a strong strong emphasiswith a strong superscript which you can see the wiki software refuses to make extra strong...

back to your question of spaces[edit]

back to your question of spaces: you can also use 'cite', 'blockquote', 'code', 'pre' (all 4 of which essentially work for preformatted text, in a similar manner) and other markup

citing references[edit]

one that is very useful is 'ref' which is used like this [1] which leaves a numbered link up here, and a footnote at the bottom of the page. Mostly, don't use html if wikicode will work, and concentrate more on the content than its appearance. The tools are just there if you need them. You can also make references with just an inline external link [2] with no link text to link to an external source or with link text like this if that's suitable, but neither of those will make a note at the bottom.

(footnotes do not seem to work on user pages see User:Pedant/Footnotes to see this text with footnotes that work...

Which also doesn't work, apparently they don't work outside the article namespace... see Hippie, I know they work there.

the stuff at the bottom of an article[edit]

This is a fairly presentable way to add inernal and external links to an article:

see also: the wikipedia style manual for more information than you will be able to absorb in one sitting. external links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:MOS which links to the same place and this which also does

in closing[edit]

Hope this helps... look around and explore, and try the search box. You can put search strings such as how to edit or references in the search box and a lot of times that will get you what you want. Lastly, where to put your signature in an article... you don't have to, if you are logged on the history page for the article will show your name next to the edit, if not logged on it will record your IP address instead. Of course, on talk pages and in discussions you put it at the end of your comments.

(very long comments, sign at the top and bottom[edit]

For very long comments, you can start with three tildes and a colon...

User:Pedant: to help readers to follow who is speaking without scrolling to the end, where you still put your signature using 4 tildes. I do this if I type a long comment in the middle of a long discussion, it's rarely done, but I do it. Better (as others would advise) is not to leave extremely long comments like this one, because it is assumed that we read everything and don't skip anything in discussions, and its just presumptuous to write a hugely long comment, expecting all other readers to read it all. They won't. Thye will often consider it rude to leave a long comment.

shorter is generally better[edit]

Everyone has a different idea of what is too long and generally, the shorrter the better. And break it into paragraphs, huge blocks of text with no formatting or paragraph breaks just won't get read and will make you look like a dick <--which is a useful core policy, LOL. Have fun, and don't let it get overwhelming. I promise to write a shorter answer next time. Maybe even just a link. User:Pedant 18:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I was wrong about dashes[edit]

The guideline seems to have changed since I looked at it, if that kind of thing matters to you Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dashes) is the guideline. You've got an interesting bio on your user page, is there somewhere I could download or otherwise obtain a copy of Simple Harmonic Chaos?

Do you mind if I add some wikilinks to your user page... like didge music > didge music ? User:Pedant 21:58, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

references[edit]

I apparently had never learned that references (see above: 'ref') need <references/> where you want the footnotes to display... so the footnotes from above should be appearing here:

  1. ^ This is a good way to make footnotes: To learn more about editing see Wikipedia:How to edit a page or [1] note that the first link is an internal link and the second is an internal link formatted as an external link.

User:Pedant

License tagging for Image:Glastonmud 85.jpg[edit]

Thanks for uploading Image:Glastonmud 85.jpg. Wikipedia gets thousands of images uploaded every day, and in order to verify that the images can be legally used on Wikipedia, the source and copyright status must be indicated. Images need to have an image tag applied to the image description page indicating the copyright status of the image. This uniform and easy-to-understand method of indicating the license status allows potential re-users of the images to know what they are allowed to do with the images.

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This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. If you need help on selecting a tag to use, or in adding the tag to the image description, feel free to post a message at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. 00:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

what this means[edit]

a robot has picked your picture out as not having a license tag. If you took the picture, just edit this page and add {{pd-self}} if you want to place the picture in the public domain. If someone else took the picture, you'll need to find out from them whether they want to retain copyright or not, then pick a tag from this page to use instead of 'pd-self' User:Pedant 01:02, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Image tagging for Image:Wizardprank.jpg[edit]

Thanks for uploading Image:Wizardprank.jpg. The image has been identified as not specifying the source and creator of the image, which is required by Wikipedia's policy on images. If you don't indicate the source and creator of the image on the image's description page, it may be deleted some time in the next seven days. If you have uploaded other images, please verify that you have provided source information for them as well.

For more information on using images, see the following pages:

This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. 22:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Looks like your image was deleted, just re-upload it and put a copyright tag on it (see note in above section) and it won't get deleted. No biggie. User:Pedant 20:46, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Your request for help with links and stuff[edit]

"Hi Pedant. A bit of your time if possible. Two issues. My Escape from Samsara bit needs an escape from samsara alias. Do I modify the original entry or create a new one and forward it. Also, I created an entry for Worthy Farm and put in a pic, which then got deleted cos I didn't do the copyright thing properly. Trouble is, someone has forwarded the page to Glastonbury Festival and I can no longer edit it to remove the broken link, which looks sloppy. Any help gratefully received. User:Wizardprank"

An alias? I'm not sure what you mean about that. Glad to help if I know what you need... I see that Worthy Farm is a redirect which is fine but I'm goin to change it to a redirect to the Worthy Farm section of the Glastonbury article... Again, I'm not sure what broken link you want to remove, what are you talking about, but I'd be glad to help if I knew. User:Pedant 16:21, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Escape from Samsara[edit]

Hi there - a discussion has been started about the suitability of this article for Wikipedia. Please feel free to join in the discussion linked from the article. Thanks, Bwithh 00:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Zippie Picnic[edit]

I'm having trouble verifying this article (nothing relevant comes up from searching the Factiva news and magazine database for "Hampstead Heath" related articles from the UK in June 1989). Can you come up with some authoritative sources to prove the claims about this event? (see WP:RS for guidelines on sources). I'm not saying this event did not happen, but the ability to verify information is a core policy of Wikipedia (see WP:V). Also, can you show how this event is significant enough to have its own article outside the Second Summer of Love article. I'm not taking this to deletion discussion at this point, because I really quite like this subculture and also Hampstead Heath actually, and wanted to give you some space for what is possibly an encyclopedically notable but underdocumented event. Bwithh 01:12, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but this is now up for deletion discussion. Please feel free to join in via the link in the article Bwithh 02:14, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

megatripolis[edit]

Hi Marcus This information is correct. Anachron10 (talk) 19:08, 25 April 2009 (UTC)