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HELP US MAKING THE PROJECT OF ANCIENT GREEK WIKIPEDIA[edit]

We are the promoters of the Wikipedia in Ancient Greek. we need your help, specially for write NEW ARTICLES and the TRANSLATION OF THE MEDIAWIKI INTERFACE FOR ANCIENT GREEK, for demonstrating, to the language subcommittee, the value of our project.

Thanks a lot for your help. Ἡ Οὐικιπαιδεία needs you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.40.197.5 (talk) 19:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Redirecting to another wiki[edit]

Just to let you know, you can't redirect to another language's wiki. If you would like an article on a subject that doesn't appear here, but appears on another wiki then feel free to start the article yourself instead of just making a redirection. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 17:31, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Efate[edit]

I've never seen an English or Bislama speaker put accents on Efate, and many Francophones call it Vaté anyway. Is it straightforward to move an article back when it's already a redirect? And can this be done without formality, or should there be a call for votes first? Ringbark 21:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Some bugs to be worked out[edit]

I've fixed the Arab people problem... but there's another problem that needs to be worked out and it's an actual bug in the MediWiki system. Unfortunately references that are in templates are not produced correctly on the main article page. To better understand why the spirit of this change is good please read this. Due to the bug problem I invite you to go ahead and revert my changes for now. (Netscott) 23:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Re:McNate09[edit]

Unfortunately, I cannot block the user indefinitely as a vandalism-only account because he has only made 3 total edits on Wikipedia. One was to his user page, and two others were vandalism. If the user vandalizes again, I will block him indefinitely. Thanks for letting me know, by the way. =) Nishkid64 21:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Health Initiative International[edit]

Our mission is to work with Vanuatu communities and health care organizers to improve education, awareness, infrastructure, and medical supply availability in areas that lack health resources. Our ultimate goals are to improve the living conditions of communities in Vanuatu, to foster positive international relations and cultural exchange between volunteers and the people of Vanuatu, and to communicate the living conditions in Vanuatu to Americans.

From wanem yu no likem website blong mifalla? Mifalla wantem helpem ol man ples, be mifalla needum fullap man i save problem ia. Mo hemi wan goodfalla samting sapos mifalla putem hemia i go long lukem aout Vanuatu. Mi save traem bakegan blong putem samting ia?

Fren blong ol man ples, Kristie

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Christine.armstrong (talkcontribs) 01:00, 5 December 2006

Noahide Laws[edit]

I see you are a linguist. Would you be interested in translating a small amount of the above article? Your input would be very much appreciated, there is allot of google traffic to that article. FrummerThanThou 06:39, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Generations template[edit]

Rather than go into a senseless revert war I would rather explain toy ou how you are incorrect with your judgement, YES they are more commonly associated to American culture, however how do you explain the exact same phenomenons occurring in countries of the Western World such as Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Canada who each experienced in one form or another the same attributed listed by those generations, i.e. when the Beats were going on in the U.S. it had a drastic impact on other countries who followed suit in their own Beat movement worldwide - this has even been documented by Ginsberg in several articles of his relating to the phenomenon. Also the Boomers are a distinct catalyst to all of the above mentioned countries who possessed the same trademarks, being the children of WW2. Therefore it is wrong to simply state these generations are only shared by the American when in fact they are shared by the majority of the Western World, albeit perhaps more so the Ango-American side, but even now other countries are looking back and noticing several paralells with the notable generations listed. I think the best thing to do is allow it to remain as "Generations" simply, and not try to brand it to any particular country or culture so as to refrain causing further aggro. Thanks. Piecraft 06:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


Thank Q[edit]

A very good contribution to the def of Arab, that is the word that i was looking for an it is the word that 100% sums it up homogeneous. --HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 21:43, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome -- Womtelo 22:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Lingua Franca[edit]

Please stop undoing my edits on this page without discussing it. If you have problems with that section, first talk about it on it's discussion page. --Nate3000 21:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Survey Invitation[edit]

Hi there, I am a research student from the National University of Singapore and I wish to invite you to do an online survey about Wikipedia. To compensate you for your time, I am offering a reward of USD$10, either to you or as a donation to the Wikimedia Foundation. For more information, please go to the research home page. Thank you. --WikiInquirer 01:53, 17 March 2007 (UTC)talk to me

Adiu![edit]

Ai vist dins ta pagina personala que parlas occitan! Sul projècte occitan, avèm besonh d'ajuda! Sabi pas s'èras al corrent de l'existéncia de la "Wikipèdia". Esites pas a nos rendre visita, ès benvengut!
A lèu! Wikipèdia Cedric31 21:37, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Taiwanese aborigines[edit]

Hi,

I'm gonna ask a question, but will put it on the Talk of Taiwanese aborigines. Thanks! Ling.Nut 12:09, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

sending pdf files[edit]

I had probs with your email address; it appears your name is spelled incorrectly in the "rply to" field. I hope you rec'v the articles I send... but the issue is far from resolved :-( Ling.Nut 22:09, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Malajalama vs. Marŝala[edit]

I fixed it on the page for la Marŝala (by replacing the template), and fixed the same problem on a couple of other pages. But the former template still returns the error. Hopefully, Arno can find the source. Until we find the source, the problem will probably tend to return.

I have a related problem: Esperanto WP seems to be using two forms of the name Malayalam: Malajalama and Malajala. I don't know which way to make corrections. Other WP's use versions of the longer form, but perhaps the "m" is a suffix (redundent for the current purpose) in Malayalam? O'RyanW ( ) 02:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Bonan tagon Bill. Dankon for your work on Marŝala lingvo. As for Malayalam, I'm not a specialist of Dravidian languages, but it looks like the final /m/ is sometimes dropped: see "Malayali" or "Malayal". However spontaneously I would recommend it should be called Malajalam-a (with the adjective suffix -a of Esperanto)… But maybe there is already an Esperanto tradition to call that language? Mi ne scias. Womtelo 08:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC).

Vanuatu Scouting[edit]

Can you help render "Be Prepared", the Scout Motto, into Bislama? Thanks! Chris 06:04, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Gaua Map[edit]

Hi Womtelo, you write that the map of Gaua is not good, and that there are no good online or PD map sources. Would you be able to mail me a scan of an offline source? I could try to create a better map for Wikipedia from the information on such a map. And, given your local knowledge, would you mind looking over my recent additions to the articles Gaua, Lake Letas and Siri Waterfall? Greetings, --Ratzer (talk) 08:55, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Austronesian Basic Vocabulary Database[edit]

Please, enlighten me, what do you mean when you say this research "isn't solid enough"? --JorisvS (talk) 23:21, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Intentional disambig linking.[edit]

Any intentional link from article space to a disambiguation page must be through a "foo (disambiguation)" redirect, per policy at WP:MOSDAB and WP:INTDABLINK, in order to remove the page from the list of pages requiring repair. Removing that link will only result in an endless string of disambiguators coming to repair the error. Cheers! bd2412 T 20:31, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Alright BD2412, thanks for the tip! Womtelo (talk) 22:56, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Vanuatu[edit]

J'ai respondu au page de:Benutzer Diskussion:Matthiasb. Salut. --Matthiasb (talk) 18:31, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Danke schön! Ich auch habe dir geantwortet. -- Womtelo (talk) 23:52, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Vanuatu[edit]

If you are a specialist in the languages of Vanuatu, some of those renamed article names should actually be renamed. North and Central Vanuatu should either be jettisoned or the article should be renamed. It's best to avoid fake article renamings, don't you think? And I'm sure you have the articles to support such moves. Ogress smash! 17:27, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion. I've just done that. Womtelo (talk) 23:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC).

Coral Sea[edit]

Dear friend, long time no write (you'll remember I'm more active on de-WP). Right there is an undecided debate about how far east the Coral Sea reaches. Some argue that all islands of Vanuatu (including the Banks and Torres Islands) and New Caledonia are included, others (including me) contend that the western shores of the western islands of those island groups form the eastern limits of the Coral Sea, but are no more part of that sea (there is agreement of course that the Chesterfield Islands, west of New Caledonia but politically part of it, are within the Coral Sea). I would be curious about your position. P.S. I do hope that you will release a few photographs of your recent trip to the Banks and Torres Islands to Wikipedia (Wikimedia commons). Best regards,--Ratzer (talk) 21:55, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Ratzer. I have no idea about that Coral Sea debate, sorry. As for my trip's last photos, I'm afraid that is time-consuming and I am too busy to do this. I'm not sure it would be so essential for Wikipedia anyway. Regards, Womtelo (talk) 00:57, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi Womtelo, I do understand that you are consumed by your research. In case you do find a minute sometime in the future, please consider that the Hiw Island article does not feature any photograph, nor does any other Torres Islands article. Regards,--Ratzer (talk) 11:24, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

List of endangered languages in Oceania[edit]

  • I'm working on the oceania list... Ling.Nut3 (talk) 08:15, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi LingNut. No that's alright, I have nothing against that page; and by the way my edit of today was not a follow-up to my other problem yesterday with the table "Oceania". Simply, I thought it would be useful to warn readers about the potential confusion between "Languages in Oceania" and "Oceanic languages", which are two very different things. Perhaps the whole entry could be renamed "Endangered languages of the Pacific", as it is more usually the term preferred; but I'm not pushing this so hard that I'd do the change myself (or should I?). You've done tremendous work on the page (congrats!), so it's up to you to decide. Womtelo (talk) 01:22, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the kind words. As I said, it honestly is a matter of perspective. I suppose the two virtues of breaking it up would be 1) categorial purity, and 2) it would be a back-door way to a free lesson about language families. But the price of the task would be that you have to check each language (or many of them anyhow, saving time since many are closely related) to see whether it was Oceanic or not, then you'd have to find a home (or make one?) for the languages that don't make the cut. It could be quite time-consuming. As for "Endangered languages of the Pacific", then you'd have to go get all the Polynesian languages and add them.... and Australia is right out; they have their own list that is watched by its dedicated editors. Any way you look at it, pushing for purity would involve a nontrivial amount of time and trouble. The question, i suppose, is this: would any other scheme present a better learning experience for the reader? i have no idea. I also don't have the time to do anything major such as all the things I've described above. Publish or perish, you know. Ling.Nut3 (talk) 01:31, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Publish or perish indeed, that's also my problem at the moment :-) As you guessed, I don't have enough time to do all that; and anyway I'm not sure it would make much sense to have two pages on endangered languages from the Pacific, one just for "Oceanic lgs" and the other one for "non-Oceanic lgs". However, I do have a problem with the fact that Polynesian languages are not in the page. When did Polynesia cease to be part of Oceania? Endangered Polynesian languages should be featured here! at least those which are endangered. This may be just a link to another page, as was done with Australian lgs. To sum up: Page should be renamed "E.L. of the Pacific", and Polynesian lgs should be added. I might do it myself today. Womtelo (talk) 03:26, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
  • I moved the page. The UNESCO site seems to be down... I might get a start on the Polynesian language info by getting it elsewhere... UNESCO has 3 categories of "endangered" languages. That might be a useful column to add to all tables. Later Ling.Nut3 (talk) 05:22, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Alright, good luck with that. Womtelo (talk) 05:40, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
  • I started it. It currently uglifies the page; needs a lot of help. Cheers. Ling.Nut3 (talk) 09:49, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
I just had a look, and it looks fine to me. It will be perfected by future users (either me or you, or others). Simply, what was your criterion for deciding which languages are endangered? What I see is mostly a list of Polynesian outliers, which are not all endangered, are they? and what about Tahitian, Māori, Hawaiian…: are they all safe? Womtelo (talk) 10:09, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Some of the ones on that page are not probably endangered. I need to look for verification from a WP:RS. I sometimes just add languages that seem to have far less than 5,000 speakers, but that is not always a reliable method. Ling.Nut3 (talk) 13:02, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Indeed, number of speakers is clearly not an ideal measure of endangerment. I work on 20 languages which are all spoken by less than 2000, sometimes less than 500 speakers, and most of them are still safe from extinction. In fact most of the Polynesian outliers are probably in that category: thus Vaeakau-Taumako, with its 1,140 speakers, is probably much safer than Tahitian which claims 124,000. It's a matter of intergenerational transmission, etc. — see the UNESCO criteria. I see the UNESCO site is back; for example Hawaiian language is listed there as "critically endangered"; you've got several in the "severely end'd" zone, etc. Good luck if you go for it. — Womtelo (talk) 23:08, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Of course I know that count isn't reliable; it's just good enough for an eventualist perspective. I've added some stuff to New Caledonia; if you wanna add the ISO codes, number of speakers, status, etc., that would be good. I'm gonna drop all this for a while. (I suppose that the bad news is that the list hadn't really changed much since I first made it and left it unfinished back in 2006 & 2008). Ling.Nut3 (talk) 03:55, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, I didn't know about eventualism, I've learned something. I see you've added NCal languages, which in principle is good. However there is still the need to assess which of these languages are really endangered; and for that we'll need external assessment cuz definitions of endangerment vary a lot. I wish I had the time to add info on those Kanak languages, but right now I'm busy, just like you as I understand. No worries; that's life. I'll just add a caution note about the table for future readers (as i did for Polynesian) and then it will be up to other wikipedians to add their own input if we can't. Congrats on all the work you've done already. Womtelo (talk) 05:11, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Phone/phoneme[edit]

Per this edit summary (and others like it), it is important to distinguish between merging and blanking as the latter can be construed as vandalism. It is also inaccurate to say "absolutely no reason" given for my edit when I clearly gave one in my edit summaries as you felt compelled to respond to it.

I recommend you take the issue to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Linguistics where the community can weigh in. I don't plan on reverting your restorations without community response, though systematically restoring my merges or even creating new phone articles might be a waste of your time. — Ƶ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 23:43, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Aeusoes, I have followed your advice and sent a query. Let's see what they say. Sorry I have to go, Womtelo (talk) 00:04, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

several new lists, but much left to do[edit]

  • I'm at a stopping point, but much is left to do. I made new lists and updtaed others, but stopped before fixing Pacific, any of the Americas, etc. (see my contribs). A lot of useful info was lost when I removed the PNG table from the list of endangered langs of the pacific and made a new list. You can recover that info from the article history, or I will (much) later. I could email you many tables I generated programmatically, if you wanna post them to Wikipedia. Ling.Nut3 (talk) 08:17, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

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2012-08 Oceanic languages[edit]

What is your opinion about this change? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:12, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Vfp, I'm not an expert about WP usage in Category assignment, but I understand that the move is somewhat counterproductive (i.e. silly), considering that Western Oceanic lgs are a subset of Oceanic lgs. I also see that you're currently doing the exact opposite kind of move on French WP. I think I prefer your approach (i.e. creating more specific categories). The only condition should be that lower categories should be visible in their higher node (i.e. all "Southern Oceanic lgs" should be accessible from the Category "Oceanic lgs", etc.); I understand that is technically possible, using 'subcategories'. best, Womtelo (talk) 01:07, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:56, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

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Content forks[edit]

Hi. It's really not a good idea to have content forks on WP, and actually goes against our guidelines. Forks tend to get out of sync, and so require extra maintenance which they seldom get. Also, there's no particular reason to have the ISO codes in the language list. They're accessible from the language articles. — kwami (talk) 18:48, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Stop the BS. You know the wording is wrong, but won't let me correct it, so you're stuck with the tag. Or you could fix it. As for it being all known languages, you need a ref for that, or it's just OR. — kwami (talk) 23:39, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Infobox on Vanuatu maps[edit]

Hi Womtelo, thanks for your message regarding the Vanuatu maps. I agree that it would be more convenient to just use one standard infobox for the different islands, i.e. the "infobox settlement" as you suggest because of the pushpin, but I am afraid it is not the way they should be used due to the existence of the "infobox islands". Then, I also do not know how to change the templates, unfortunately. - Gruesome Gary (talk) 6 January 2014

Comparative method[edit]

Hi,

Your recent edits got caught up in my revert of some earlier POV-pushing. Since part of your edit addressed the same thing, I didn't try to disentangle what to save. — kwami (talk) 00:01, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

hi Kwami, Thanks for your message. I've fixed it. — Womtelo (talk) 11:45, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

pron. Nuxalk[edit]

I just noticed that..../æ/ isn't right; that's the first vowel in "Canada", right? Nuxalk is more like "hall" or "hawk" maybe, whatever IPA that is. i.e. in English that's how it's said. Seems like an American put that /æ/ there, that's not the way it's said in BC. If I'm not mistaken using that would come out "Nuhack", which is very not-right.Skookum1 (talk) 16:19, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

The pretense of a certain editor who shall remain nameless (because I'm tired of his name...) is that such names are not English, hence why he didn't tag it as an English name, which it is.Skookum1 (talk) 16:21, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
hi Skookum, thanks for that. I believe you here, and have edited the pronunciation accordingly to /ˈnuːhɒlk/. Note that I was not the one to transcribe the pronunciation initially, I just tagged it as being "English". I have edited more than one entries like this, when an apparently foreign word had its pronunciation indicated and I knew this was actually its pronunciation in English rather than in the local language as it might have seemed. (ex1, ex2, ex3…). Without being aware of the controversy, I agree with you that these are English words - simply, these are proper names which, just like any other proper names, have been adapted to English phonology; as such, they belong the repertoire of English speakers rather than any other language. Best, Womtelo (talk) 16:43, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, well, "some people" don't think so; I went through arduous and totally unnecessary RMs on St'at'imc and other titles because some people are very hostile to names they don't recognize as English, and invoke WP:UE without even realizing that, especially in Canada, such names are now the norm; "Bella Coola" in its old linguistic/ethno meaning, even though the articles are now at "Nuxalk", was fielded in a recent RM about Bella Coola, British Columbia, which is the PRIMARYTOPIC of that name now, and is what is used by the Nuxalk who live there for the town/area themselves; but that wasn't good enough for Wikipedians who've never heard of the place, and some who maintained its small size meant it wasn't notable (even though it's the largest thing for a good 200 miles). On St'at'imc and Ktunaxa and others I "had" to go prove that there were English pronunciations, and even that wasn't good enough; the reality that these are the most common names in sources now is what swayed the day; and Canadian-only sources aren't good enough, "global usage" was invoked to override {{Canadian English}} (actually per ENGVAR you can't do that, but they did anyway) in re the Bella Coola RM (in WPCANADA dab practices, unique town names take no disambiguation; others of the same kind are Chemainus, Sechelt, Lillooet......don't get me started on Squamish..... anyways thanks for fixing that; I just removed superfluous Unicode templates placed by the same editor on Comox language, where they were applied to spellings that just don't have special characters that would ever need Unicode; it was placed because of the bias from said editor that such names are "not English". Not his English, perhaps.....Skookum1 (talk) 16:52, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Sorry to hear that. I'm not totally surprised, as I've had my share of edit wars and endless controversies over totally pointless discussions… The ones who win are not always those who are right! but you need to stand your ground (as long as it doesn't affect you too much). Good luck for your future edits, Womtelo (talk) 16:59, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Re this one, Lillooet as given is indeed a local English pronunciation, including as used by the St'at'imc people like all other residents; the language is properly called St'at'imcets and that used to be the title of "Lillooet language" until the undiscussed moves that included St'at'imc->Lillooet people, since reversed by RM. Similarly Thompson language, Shuswap language, Kutenai language, Chilcotin language were changed at the same time; I'm just too weary of the individual in question, and of the pontificatory input at RMs the uninformed who only refer to Wikipedia guidelines and not real-world current usage, to bother having tried to move them yet; as it is just taking the unnecessary disambiguation of Halkomelem as Halkomelem language, which I moved to the standalone title, was met with a "move war" by the same editor, though it has now stayed at Halkomelem.Skookum1 (talk) 02:06, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
The St'at'imcets name that "Lillooet" comes from is Lil'wat, which is the name of the community and subgroup located at Mount Currie, British Columbia, about 60 miles away from the town of Lillooet.Skookum1 (talk) 02:08, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

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