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India[edit]

India can be also meant Republic of India, Mughal India or British ruled India, neither Republic of India or Mughal India joined wW2, It was British India, that's why it needs correction.Ovsek (talk) 16:31, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

The Commonwealth War Graves Commission uses the description "Undivided India" [1] see page 43 --Woogie10w (talk) 16:57, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Undivided India, this term means India up to Partition Of India (including modern Republic of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh). In this sense Mughal India and Sultani period's India was also Undivided India as it was during British Raj. Does it mean Mughal India was involved in WW2? During WW2 India was still not partitioned and it was ruled by British. British India which was simultaneously Undivided and was also involved in WW2, is correct.Ovsek (talk) 17:23, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Undivided India is what the source says, the rest is your POV. We use reliable sources on Wikipedia that can be verified, not your POV--Woogie10w (talk) 17:28, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for say it, I believe British India this term is better as it was simultaneously Undivided( India during Mughal period was also undivided but it was not involved in ww2) and was involved in WW2. Ok, I will go to Dispute Board.Ovsek (talk) 17:36, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Talk:World_War_II_casualties#India_Flag Can you please reply here?Ovsek (talk) 18:46, 7 June 2013 (UTC) I cant touch that--Woogie10w (talk) 18:50, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

What happened to those my comments?? Who removed them? Are you from Britain? I gave several links proving Bharat Rakshak is reliable., ok I give a truce, mention India or undivided India and in bracket please also mention under British rule or British Raj this termOvsek (talk) 05:13, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Ovsek, check the page history... I am a DRN volunteer and I removed them. You dont comment on other's opening statements. You are meant to continue discussion on the talk page until a volunteer takes your case. I have now moved them into a section marked "pre-opening comments", despite the fact that there shouldnt be any comments at all. -- Nbound (talk) 05:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

There it was written, please do not open this the thread until it is not opened by any Volunteer, at first Woogi wrote his comment,so I thought it is ok to leave comment before any volunteer comes.Ovsek (talk) 04:57, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

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World War II[edit]

I'll do my thinking offline instead of on the talk page next time. Great improvements to World_War_II_casualties too. Sorry if I unnecessarily complicated your day... Begoontalk 13:08, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Charts[edit]

Hi

Just a progress update. I've been working with kipod at Module talk:Chart to get the templates for these going. We're nearly there, and the next step will be to put the real data in. You can see the "current" stuff at User:Begoon/sandbox/casualties.

Templates created for this are: Template:World War II casualties data, which contains all the data, and Template:World War II civilian casualties chart, Template:World War II military casualties chart, Template:World War II total casualties chart and Template:World War II casualties bar chart thumb which display the charts.

The next stage will be to enter real data - but when we do so, the problem I foresee is that the bar charts will be compressed for all the nations with "low" numbers, because of the very high numbers for nations like the Soviet Union. The solution I have in mind is to split them even further, into nations, say, over 2 million, and others. That will avoid so many "tiny" bars, but add to the number of charts.

That's not as bad as it sounds, because my thinking is that we will have to have a new page at World War II casualties charts and graphs to display the full size charts, with a bit of explanatory text, with small thumbnails of the charts at World War II casualties#Charts and graphs, linking to the new page. I think it will actually look good and very comprehensive done that way. The pie charts will also be redone with the new module, but the population pyramid might need to stay as is for now.

This will be better than the current situation, where chart thumbnails link to the file information page for enlarged versions, because the full size charts will actually be housed on the new sub article page World War II casualties charts and graphs which can have accompanying content, and the whole thing will look more professional - plus the data will be on wiki and updatable in one place. Of course it means it will take a while to do all that - but there's no WP:DEADLINE, after all... Let me know if this "wall of text" gives you any thoughts. Cheers. Begoontalk 06:33, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

New link[edit]

Greetings Woogie, I linked World War I casualties to Battle of the Somme, would you mind looking at the casualty tables at the bottom of the page, I used a recent source which seems accurate but you never know.... ThanksKeith-264 (talk) 08:09, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the help.Keith-264 (talk) 13:29, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

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Transfer of Soviet prisoners[edit]

Toszek:from July 1945 the NKVD brought in thousands more prisoners from the Bautzen area of Saxony http://www.uokg.de/Text2/Mit-Tost01.htm Xx236 (talk) 10:09, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

NKVD special camps uses exclusively German sources but describes camps outside Eastern Germany. The article is POV.Xx236 (talk) 06:48, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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Savage Continent[edit]

There is an English book on the subject, I haven't seen it yet http://www.npr.org/2013/07/24/204538728/after-wwii-europe-was-a-savage-continent-of-devastation .Xx236 (talk) 07:58, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

September 2013[edit]

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Do not forget those liberated by the enemy[edit]

Dear Woogie10w, do not forget those liberated by the enemy per Krivosheev, i.e. 823,230. They are rather alive, than killed. With them the death toll is 280,070 sharp! Въ 176.195.210.205 (talk) 12:53, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

  • 823,230 and 1,836,000 are different contents. Do not mix them. Read it more attentively. 1,836,000 + 180,000 remained in the concentration camps untill liberation by the Soviet and the Allied troops. 823,230 have been released by the Germans in two stages: 1) (untill November 13б 1941) 318,770 Soviet Germans, Baltic minorities, Ukranians and Belorussians; 2) up to May 1, 1944 more 504,406 were liberated mostly for cooperation with the Germans or good for nothing incapacitated persons, not necessarily to join Vlasov's troops. See Lopukhovsky&Kavalerchik column. They also distinguish the two categories. Otherwise you have to correct them too. Въ 176.195.210.205 (talk) 13:21, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

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World War II Casualties[edit]

Quite some time ago you responded to a question I had about WWII casualties. I'm not very savvy with Wikipedia, so I never realized you had replied. My question concerned casualties in the Pacific Theater. One of my substitute history teachers had served under MacArthur. He told our class that MacArthur gave orders to count every third dead in order to keep up morale. I don't know whether that was throughout the entire war or just in some battles where the US took heavy losses. This teacher was fairly old when I had him - about 70 or 75 in 1990 - so it's unlikely he would still be alive. I specifically remember that he was involved in the liberation of the Phillipines. He referred to the horrors that he witnessed in liberating POWs but was too overwhelmed to go into any detail for the class. Regarding counting every third dead, it's remotely possible he could have been talking about civilian dead, since there were so many, especially in the battle of Manila. What I'd like to know is, are the casualty totals listed in online sources considered accurate? Are they based on reports from the field or have they been established by more accurate methods after the fact? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimbo48187 (talkcontribs) 18:32, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

"Crusade to Europe" vs. "Crusade in Europe"[edit]

Good morning, and Happy New Year. I noticed that in two articles recently (German casualties in World War II and German prisoners of war in northwest Europe) you have referred to Eisenhower's WWII memoir as "Crusade to Europe". At least the modern versions are titled "Crusade in Europe". Before I changed anything, I wanted to make sure that you didn't have some original copy or something where "to" is correct, or something like that. (Although, I did a Google search and I cannot find any evidence that the memoir ever used "to".) If you don't have a reason to the contrary, I would be happy to change it. Thanks for the contributions you make to WP. KConWiki (talk) 16:49, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Poglish[edit]

The primary mother tongue of many people here in Greenpoint, Brooklyn is Polish, but most would never ever want to return to Poland and live there. Have a great weekend.--Woogie10w (talk) 13:54, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
It's American Polish, Poglish, not Polish.Xx236 (talk) 14:01, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Their kids speak Poglish but many Poles off the boat from the old country speak the working class /farmers dialect of Polish. --Woogie10w (talk) 14:44, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

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Douglas[edit]

Yes, I have read the book. The Introduction seems to me to be adopted for the Polish edition, becacuse it's about Polish people and the book is rather about Czech people.

I believe that the book suggests that the government, army and security were "Polish" and doesn't inform about Soviet control over Poland.
The book doesn't inform about the expulsion of Germans from the SU.
"Human rights". The task seems to be to prove that the flight and expulsion were the biggest. They weren't the biggests in numbers of deported people and in the number of dead victims so it's the "Violation of human rights". Human rights under Joseph Stalin, US academy and Irish expertise.Xx236 (talk) 07:52, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

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GW casualties[edit]

I've been looking at the latest revisions to the casualties page, as impressive as usual. I assume you know about these but on the off-chance here's a link https://archive.org/search.php?query=medical%20history%20macpherson there was some material about casualties in African operations I found useful for here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_theatre_of_World_War_I#Casualties .Keith-264 (talk) 06:15, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

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Germans in pre-war Poland[edit]

While I can't help you with the Volksliste, the official statistics show only 700,000 Germans before 1st September 1939. [2] The best source for info on Nazi policies in Poland is Madajczyk Czesław, Polityka III Rzeszy w okupowanej Polsce, t. 1-2, Warszawa 1970. Cheers. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 09:25, 12 April 2014 (UTC) I did some google search on googlebooks, and it might be that this guy mentions this on page 103(inclusion of settlers into Volksliste) Organizacja i przebieg wysiedleń ludności niemieckiej z Polski w latach 1945-1949 Paweł Kacprzak Państwowa Wyższa Szkoła Zawodowa w Sulechowie, 2008 Unfortunately I can's see the whole page. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 10:38, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

734 000 pl:Mniejszość niemiecka w Polsce Xx236 (talk) 12:58, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
That's interesting, I might look in Madajczyk if he mentions anything about the subject.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 21:59, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

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Hey man, about the people killed at Guam during Japan's occupation?[edit]

Hey man, thanks for clearing me up. If the people of Guam were not U.S. citizens prior to the 1950 act, then should they be removed somewhere else and create a new category for them instead? Because they don't fit in the United States category if they are not U.S. citizens and they have to be moved somewhere else.XXzoonamiXX (talk) 02:57, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

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Hey man, how many U.S. Merchant Mariners were separately killed in the Pacific and the Atlantic Ocean during World War II?[edit]

Hey man, how many U.S. Merchant Mariners were separately killed in the Pacific and the Atlantic Ocean during World War II? I've been looking for that information since and I can't find it. XXzoonamiXX (talk) 07:31, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

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So when are you going to get a new book regarding the separate casualties for U.S. Merchant Mariners killed in the Pacific and the Atlantic?[edit]

Just wondering. XXzoonamiXX (talk) 01:20, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Aww shucks man. Thanks a lot though. I hope we could get the information we really wanted and unfortunately it didn't turn out to be as expected.XXzoonamiXX (talk) 08:02, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Hey a little bit of a help here.[edit]

OK, when i looked into the U-Boat campaign during the First World War, I found the sentence that needed a bit of a correction. Here is sentence at the very last bottom of the "Mediterranean operations" section that said 40 American citizens were killed during the U-boat sinking of the SS Ancona. However, one must look into the SS Ancona article and it says that nine American citizens were killed. On the Google book search, some of the sources said that 11 or 20 American citizens were killed. https://www.google.com/search?q=SS+Ancano&btnG=Search+Books&tbm=bks&tbo=1#q=SS+Ancona+Americans+killed&tbm=bks Sounds like this one needed a lot of help. XXzoonamiXX (talk) 20:16, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Problems with indiscriminate forking[edit]

Re: Your recent edits to Nazi crimes against the Polish nation.

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Red Army contains controversial data[edit]

Eg. the number of German POV dead in the SU (300,000) seems to be underestimated.Xx236 (talk) 09:33, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

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Hey man, can you help me out there with my new article?[edit]

Hi, I'm working on the new article and I needed your help. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Mandalay_%281942%29 Also, I have too many tans 16 tabs in my computer now and it's bothering my computer as well as my work. It's too much of a hassle and I needed you to come up with something good when doing the article togther. I needed some help and I need you to make suggestions. Here are the linkes to help you an idea.

So yes, I needed some help and I don't need all the tabs that is in my computer right now and stuff like that. Thanks.XXzoonamiXX (talk) 16:18, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey man. Thanks but can you do the rest of the work for a bit? I'm going to work on something else for a bit as of now. Thanks man.XXzoonamiXX (talk) 01:27, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

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You would probably see it anyway, but...[edit]

I'd appreciate your thoughts on Talk:World_War_I_casualties#UK_civilian_deaths_-_higher_in_WWI_than_in_WWII.3F. And in fact, you may enjoy looking at the research at [3]. Cheers, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:15, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

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Greetings Woogie, I see you've been busy on the Great War casualties page again. Just in case you didn't know, History of the Great War has had a bit of work done this year and the URLs of the volumes which are on Archives org.have been attached.Keith-264 (talk) 08:46, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

All of the casualty records of the participants look like works in progress, with the baseline moving in each publication as missing turns into a more concrete category and post-war illness and injury are related to wartime or removed from the category for financial reasons. I doubt that they'll ever be resolved beyond generalisation. PS watch out for Cato behind that door!Keith-264 (talk) 11:49, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Fuggedaboutit! bada bing, bada boom, Cato will be history if he shows up.--Woogie10w (talk) 13:06, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Fnar! Did I send you a link to the translated Austro-Hungarian official history? [4] [5] Appendix 4, p. 977 (vol 7) has casualty data.Keith-264 (talk) 20:07, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Ha! Don't blame you. I keep away from most of it by sticking to unfashionable topics like the Great War and going for B class ratings only (at least until I run out of articles). Apropos the casualties, could there have been post war revisions due to injuries and wounds during the war turning into 'deaths attributed to wartime injuries' and counted in 1931 say?Keith-264 (talk) 18:10, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

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