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Dear Worm That Turned, please see this polite request, and provide a positive thoughtful response there, if you have one. All the best: Rich Farmbrough00:59, 9 August 2014 (UTC).

Gentle reminder?[edit]

Perhaps a gentile reminder is in order. Your call. Ignocrates (talk) 20:58, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

I had asked EdJohnston who regularly works AE about my concerns regarding the ANI discussion and my concerns regarding possible stalking/harassment here. John Carter (talk) 22:28, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Sure Ignocrates, here's a gentle reminder. Leave John Carter alone. Your posting at ANI there was a violation of your interaction ban. It's not a topic you've been working on, yet you return from a 2 week break, specifically to make comments about John Carter. As an arb, I don't do Arbcom Enforcement - but if I did, I would be blocking you right now.

    John Carter, I'm not happy with the edit that Ignocrates points out either, nor your posting here as a response to him - the correct place to complain about violations of the IBan is AE and bringing it up at ANI is again an issue - less so this time as Ignocrates had just violated his, but problematic because you've just come off a block for the same. Again, I would be blocking if I did Arbcom Enforcement. WormTT(talk) 07:11, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

I was acting on the impression that WP:BANEX might apply as asking a question on an admin noticeboard which is supposed to be frequented by admins seems to me to be effectively equivalent of asking an admin individually, particularly considering that is where the problematic conduct took place. Posting here only happened because I got the impression possibly mistakenly that action prompted here might take place before any response from Ed who still hasn't responded. I only post this here now as it seems that action may possibly take place while I am away and I didn't want to not have a chance to comment and this page has for whatever reason seemed to become a central discussion point and my apologies to you for my limited role in making it such. John Carter (talk) 19:54, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
And that's a reasonable point of view - the "grey area" if you will. It's more that you were bouncing into the grey area, just after coming off a block for stepping over the line. If you want to complain about an arbcom remedy being violated - go to AE. WormTT(talk) 07:10, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Understood, Dave. However, I adhered to the wording of my I-ban and interacted only with Fearofreprisal. I was very careful about that. If you review other I-bans, they often contain wording which explicitly forbids indirect as well as direct interactions. Mine doesn't say that. I followed the wording as I understand it, and I refrained from saying anything directly to or about other parties to the I-ban. Ignocrates (talk) 16:38, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
The default of an IBAN explicitly forbids indirect. See WP:IBAN, especially the sentence "make reference to or comment on editor Y anywhere on Wikipedia, whether directly or indirectly" the panda ɛˢˡ” 16:44, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Even if that's the case Bwilkins, I didn't "make reference to or comment on" anyone other than FoR. I said ANI was not the place to take a complex dispute and he should consider arbitration as a more appropriate venue. Anything beyond that is an attempt to parse my words for a meaning that isn't there. Ignocrates (talk) 17:29, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
If you turn up at an ANI thread which is about him, and make a comment to "help" the other side that's clearly interacting with him. The remedy does not mention direct or indirect, it mentions interactions. Just leave him alone. Ignore him all together, unwatch his page (if you have it watched) and don't look at his contributions. WormTT(talk) 07:10, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Will do. If there's anything more to be done re ANI, I'll take it up with AE. Ignocrates (talk) 12:49, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia Event at Judges Lodgings[edit]

Hi worm that turned. You came to the Queen Street Mill Wikipedia event last year, and helped a number of people get started. I was wondering whether you would be willing to come along and do the same for on event we are holding at Judges Lodgings on 20th September? Would be great to see you again. User:jhayward001 — Preceding undated comment added 07:47, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Jhayward001, I'm hoping to come along, yes. As is User:Staceydolxx. WormTT(talk) 07:49, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi User:worm that turned, Great news. I look forward to seeing you and User:Staceydolxx on 20th September. Did you get the information I sent by e-mail? User: jhayward001 — Preceding undated comment added 10:59, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

I did, and I've passed it on to another user, I hope that's all right. I should be able to contact the email address in question soon, though I'd appreciate it if you could mark us as coming! WormTT(talk) 11:17, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

An important message about renaming users[edit]

Dear Worm That Turned,

I am cross-posting this message to many places to make sure everyone who is a Wikimedia Foundation project bureaucrat receives a copy. If you are a bureaucrat on more than one wiki, you will receive this message on each wiki where you are a bureaucrat.

As you may have seen, work to perform the Wikimedia cluster-wide single-user login finalisation (SUL finalisation) is taking place. This may potentially effect your work as a local bureaucrat, so please read this message carefully.

Why is this happening? As currently stated at the global rename policy, a global account is a name linked to a single user across all Wikimedia wikis, with local accounts unified into a global collection. Previously, the only way to rename a unified user was to individually rename every local account. This was an extremely difficult and time-consuming task, both for stewards and for the users who had to initiate discussions with local bureaucrats (who perform local renames to date) on every wiki with available bureaucrats. The process took a very long time, since it's difficult to coordinate crosswiki renames among the projects and bureaucrats involved in individual projects.

The SUL finalisation will be taking place in stages, and one of the first stages will be to turn off Special:RenameUser locally. This needs to be done as soon as possible, on advice and input from Stewards and engineers for the project, so that no more accounts that are unified globally are broken by a local rename to usurp the global account name. Once this is done, the process of global name unification can begin. The date that has been chosen to turn off local renaming and shift over to entirely global renaming is 15 September 2014, or three weeks time from now. In place of local renames is a new tool, hosted on Meta, that allows for global renames on all wikis where the name is not registered will be deployed.

Your help is greatly needed during this process and going forward in the future if, as a bureaucrat, renaming users is something that you do or have an interest in participating in. The Wikimedia Stewards have set up, and are in charge of, a new community usergroup on Meta in order to share knowledge and work together on renaming accounts globally, called Global renamers. Stewards are in the process of creating documentation to help global renamers to get used to and learn more about global accounts and tools and Meta in general as well as the application format. As transparency is a valuable thing in our movement, the Stewards would like to have at least a brief public application period. If you are an experienced renamer as a local bureaucrat, the process of becoming a part of this group could take as little as 24 hours to complete. You, as a bureaucrat, should be able to apply for the global renamer right on Meta by the requests for global permissions page on 1 September, a week from now.

In the meantime please update your local page where users request renames to reflect this move to global renaming, and if there is a rename request and the user has edited more than one wiki with the name, please send them to the request page for a global rename.

Stewards greatly appreciate the trust local communities have in you and want to make this transition as easy as possible so that the two groups can start working together to ensure everyone has a unique login identity across Wikimedia projects. Completing this project will allow for long-desired universal tools like a global watchlist, global notifications and many, many more features to make work easier.

If you have any questions, comments or concerns about the SUL finalisation, read over the Help:Unified login page on Meta and leave a note on the talk page there, or on the talk page for global renamers. You can also contact me on my talk page on meta if you would like. I'm working as a bridge between Wikimedia Foundation Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Stewards, and you to assure that SUL finalisation goes as smoothly as possible; this is a community-driven process and I encourage you to work with the Stewards for our communities.

Thank you for your time. -- Keegan (WMF) talk 18:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

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I live in hope[edit]

This is a quote, found following your advice to read the infoboxes case again. Please look at the latest entry on my talk which asked me to participate in the discussion about infoboxes which will not be stopped by eliminating a few people. I would like your advice - like as a mentor - how to react, after establishing my position. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm a little too indisposed to help with this at the moment Gerda. WormTT(talk) 12:30, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
"indisposed"? (my limited English, will I ever learn? - I live in hope! Otherwise, I had left, - I had reason enough once a year, every year I am here but the first. Did you see the 16 names on top of my talk, of people who didn't have enough hope? I am ready to start the next line with Skookum1. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Yep, indisposed. In other words, I've had to stop all mentorship a long time ago, due to being far too busy. I also know how much work it would take for me to give advice which I would be happy with - and I just don't have time to put that sort of work in. WormTT(talk) 12:43, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
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hope over experience

I didn't know the term other than an opera singer not able to perform at the usual level of quality (due to a cold or whatever) but willing to do it anyway to rescue a performance. - Did you know that I left project opera, but of the most recent ten opera DYK articles, I wrote six and Andy one, and two of the remaining three also have an infobox? It's a 2005 topic, nothing relevant in 2014, if you ask me. I live in hope. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:42, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Defining a revert?[edit]

Surely reverting is undoing an action. A suggested compromise is not a reversion. I see my change has stuck so that clearly is acceptable. Perhaps I am also one of those who are not here to build an encyclopaedia? Spartaz Humbug! 07:42, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Spartaz, you are right, I'd define it as undoing an action. Action (hiding the link, performed by clerk User:Hahc21). Revert performed by you. NE Ent suggested the compromise - it was reverted by a clerk and the clerk was reverted by you. Just because the change has stuck does not mean your revert was acceptable - don't revert clerks on Arbcom pages. As for the "not here to build an encyclopedia comment" - I didn't make it but I do believe you'll find there a number of individuals who enjoy the "dramah" much more the content creation. As such, I don't consider it an inappropriate comment, certainly not to the level of the Jclemens "is not and has never been a wikipedian" comment, which I objected to strongly at the time. WormTT(talk) 07:59, 27 August 2014 (UTC)