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Images, apparent differences example and verifiable support[edit]

This is intended to be a venue for a brief discussion touching on a couple of things. I've invited Commons:user:Koyos and Commons:user:DancingPhilosopher to please participate.

Firstly, I noticed apparently significant differences between

this image uploaded by Commons:user Koyos and modified by others
this image uploaded by Commons:user DancingPhilosopher

and Figure 1 on page 5 here, from which I understand both of these images to have been derived.

I've asked both users mentioned above to take a look at this here and to comment. I don't mean to criticize, I'm just trying to understand what went on here in the production of these images. It is entirely possible that I'm simply misunderstanding something here.

Secondly, a recent discussion elsewhere about something else entirely reawoke thoughts about verifiable sourcing of information behind images making visual assertions. That discussion referred to older discussions at [1] and [2] and to an example at [3]. I would be interested in comments about that.

Thanks for any input. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:51, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Ok, so you are wondering why my image and DancingPhilosophers image show different values?
That's easy: my map is not based on the source above. The map by DancingPhilosopher shows Ingleharts latest version of the map, whereas my map is based on an earlier version. The source for my version of the map is the website of the World Values Survey as of 2008 (and also an earlier article in a different peer-reviewed journal). The source for DancingPhilosophers map is the article referred to above. If you read the article, you will find that the scientist discusses why/how the map has changed. Koyos (talk) 12:46, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Yup, thank you Koyos for your explanation. Here's mine :-) See the map comparison on the right below
Showing how the map uploaded by User:DancingPhilosopher is based on the published data from the authors' website and a map from a journal, and how it doesn't significantly differ from it.
--DancingPhilosopher (talk) 15:10, 12 September 2014 (UTC)


────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Thanks to both of you for that information. I have other things going at the moment so this goes on the back burner for me right now. When I have time, I'll take another look at the commons image pages and see if I can figure out how I misunderstood the difference in sourcing. I may or may not try to do something there to make the sourcing of the images clearer. I'll also take a look at the WP articles where the images are used and try to figure out what, if anything, needs to be done in those articles.
Cheers, Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 21:25, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────(update) When I got back to this, it quickly became apparent to me that I don't have sufficient topical interest for this and that I am not effectively situated to do it properly. I'm just going to bail on this for now, and probably will not get back to it. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 01:20, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Twenty-First Amendment to the United States Constitution[edit]

Hello, (Twenty-First Amendment to the United States Constitution) I am looking for information about article 5 of the US Constitution. In the page about the ratification of the 21st amendment it states that this is the only time an amendment was ratified by state convention. I have found other sources that have stated that there are no cases in the Constitution in which this method of Amendment has been used. While looking at the amendment itself I see reference to state convention in its ratification. I am looking for more solid sources on how this amendment was brought about, specifically how it was proposed, and if it originated in petitioning at state conventions. I would appreciate any information you can offer on this topic. Thank you, Krista KristaBawden (talk) 23:18, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm not a topical expert, but see [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], etc. With WP:HOMEWORK in mind, I'll suggest that you take a hint from that final link for future research. Cheers. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:36, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Sports in New York City[edit]

User:Nyawa contacted me about reversion of edits concerning the New York Arm Wrestling Association to Sports in New York City. You also reverted edits to that article but it appears the user did not contact you or has not done so as yet. I thought I should tell you that I left a detailed explanation on my talk page and the user's talk page of the reasons for my reversion of the edits. I gave an opinion that some of the addition could be kept without the inclusion of the web site (an external link in the text rather than in the external link section) and the bluntly promotional final sentence. Donner60 (talk) 03:24, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Update. I received a nice reply from the user who expressed unawareness of the policies, which I think was to be expected. He said he would try to comply with his further edits. Donner60 (talk) 03:53, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the info and the update. I made my edit after seeing the insertion of what looked like linkspam into the article -- it was a drive-by made edit during a WP:Huggle session. I'm not really following this. Cheers, Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:43, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Aqua Velva[edit]

Hi Wtmitchell. I am only trying to update my company's product, Aqua Velva, and removed all pictures and links, leaving only my update. Why was this change not acceptable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WelCombe (talkcontribs) 03:42, September 18, 2014‎

Hi. This, I take it, was prompted by this revert, which added "Aqua Velva, known as America's first after shave, has been helping soothe, cool and refresh a man’s skin since 1917. Handed down through generations, Aqua Velva is part of the longstanding ritual of a father teaching his son to shave and after shave." at the top of the page. I took that to be blatantly promotional. I did the revert from within WP:Huggle, and did not have a lot of flexibility from there in explaining my reason for the revert (I had to choose one of several categories from a list, and chose WP:SPAM). Please see WP:NPOV. As you are a new editor, I will place some useful links on your talk page. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 19:51, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Updates[edit]

Thank you for the extra user links. Fyi, we only want Aqua Velva to read as follows:

Aqua Velva, known as America's first after shave, has been helping soothe, cool and refresh a man’s skin since 1917. Handed down through generations, Aqua Velva is part of the longstanding ritual of a father teaching his son to shave and after shave. Would you help me to show the above?

091714, Hi wtmitchell I am only trying to update my company's product, for Aqua Velva. I removed all links and pictures. Please tell me what you felt was an inappropriate link? How can I update our page, correctly? Thank you. WelCombe (talk) 19:54, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

I have moved this here from the top of this page.
I have reverted the article to an earlier version prior to your edits, where editor Edison had reverted your earlier changes and said, "Reverted good faith edits by WelCombe (talk): Rollback major deletion of text and removal of categories. Inadequate explanation provided for the changes." With regard to your desire to control the content of this article, see WP:OWN. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 20:17, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────(added) Please also see WP:COI. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 20:26, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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You're up late[edit]

But thanks for looking out for my user page. Cheers. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 19:35, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Jonathan Winters[edit]

Hi. My recent edit to the Jonathan Winters page was entirely factual, listing word-for-word the "in memoriam" section of the Smurfs 2 credits. I hope I am sending you this message correctly. 173.78.125.6 (talk) 14:01, 20 September 2014 (UTC) Kirsten

This apparently follows on this revert, where I said, "Reverted edits by 173.78.125.6 (talk): not adhering to neutral point of view". The edit had added a parenthetical comment saying, " (In Memoriam Jonathan Winters - Thanks for giving life to Papa Smurf and making the world a Smurfier place.)" at the end of the second paragraph of the article's lead section.
Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia -- not a blog site. Your addition was made in Wikipedia's voice, not in your own, and was inappropriate. You say that you were quoting credits from a movie. If you had made the entry further down in the article and had identified the source, the addition might have been appropriate (or, possibly, it might have been undue weight, depending on the specific details of where and how you added it). I see that you are a new editor; I'll add some info to User talk:173.78.125.6 which might be useful in future edits. In any case, I would suggest that you register a username with WP, and edit as a logged-in user. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:05, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
OMG this is too cumbersome. I'll stick with contributing to IMDb. This surprises me. I thought of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia of all, where participation would be more encouraged and nurtured, rather than punishing newbies by removing their contributions and reprimanding them publicly.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.78.125.6 (talkcontribs) 03:16, September 22, 2014‎
you, wtmitchell, live on apparently, what is the best island in the world. let us have the little things in life while you bask in paradise.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.79.41.20 (talkcontribs) 04:47, September 29, 2014‎

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Editing The Noah's Ark Page[edit]

I think this is how I contact you, but I was wondering if I could edit the Noah's Ark article that is posted. It has failed to list evidence suppporting the Flood such as the fact that nearly all fossils are found in a massive sedimentary rock layer deposited around the globe (sedimentary rock is laid down by water), the Dinosaur "death Pose" which is caused by drowning, fossils in the mountains, and much more. Thanks you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.110.42.240 (talkcontribs) 11:17, October 7, 2014‎

This appears to be in reaction to this revert. To the extent that the material has due topical weight and is supported by cited reliable sources, addition of such material should not be a problem. However, that does not describe what the edit which I reverted edit did.
I have just added a section titled Assertion: "There is no scientific evidence supporting a global flood." to Talk:Noah's Ark. Perhaps it would be a good idea to propose in that discussion the addition of a description of the evidence of which you speak to the article. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:53, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

BONNIE BISHOP WIKI PAGE[edit]

Hey

I AM Bonnie Bishop and I have been so frustrated that this Wiki page was not accurate for YEARS. I did not put it up in the first place and only just now figured out how to edit it. I worked very hard on those edits just now and I am asking you to help me make right these mistakes by putting the content I just replaced back on the page. I also need to know how to change that picture, as it is nearly 15 years old!! I am a professional touring artist with an established career and this page makes me look very bad - people quote this information in media and at shows and the information here is largely untrue and horribly outdated! (For instanve, My parents weren't even musicians!) Pls tell me how to remedy this and keep it in my control in the future. Bonniebishopforrockstar (talk) 02:04, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

This appears to have been sparked by this revert. Please read WP:Autobiography, WP:BLP,WP:OWN, and WP:NPOV. If you have concerns abut or disagreements with some content on page, it might be best to discuss that on the article's talk page. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:41, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Queensland Cricket WIKI PAGE[edit]

Hi, My name is Pat Culpan and I am a cricket historian/statistician and chairman of the Valley District Cricket Club which is one of the largest in the world, and on the Queensland Cricket Grade Committee. I have recently updated our club page Valley District Cricket Club with our new numbers etc, I also updated the Queensland Cricket page due to the new competition sponsorship naming rights XXXX Brewery is no longer the name of the competition and it is now the "my Foot Dr" (http://www.myfootdr.com.au/) 1st Grade competition and/or premiership. I also update our website at the bottom of the page which was referring to a defunct website, it is now www.valleycricket.org.au In addition, Woolloongabba is not a defucnt cricket club (like the other two), they have changed their name twice firsts to Eastern Suburbs and now their current name of Redlands, they rightly lay claim to all premierships under all three names.

So all changes that I made (and checked) that you reversed were in fact correct. Can you please change back or advise.

Hi. I have undone my reversion and added a clarifying footnote about my Foot Dr and club sponsorship. I did this revert during a WP:Huggle session; the appearance of the my Foot Dr name threw me and I mistook the edit involving that name as vandalism. That Huggle reversion also undid a group of consecutive edits which had been made by you immediately prior to the edit which I misapprehended. All ought to be OK now, but please check it. Feel free to remove or archive the related warning message which Huggle will have placed on your user talk page. My thanks for calling this to my attention and apologies for the error. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 20:04, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, much appreciated. All good. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.23.54.100 (talkcontribs) 04:28, October 9, 2014‎

Rolf Harris Post[edit]

Hello,

I am leaving this message in regards to the edit on the "Rolf Harris" page. I did not, and still do not, believe that the post could be considered vandalism. For years, Rolf Harris was passionate about committing these offences; therefore, it could be considered an occupation.

Thank you, --Sforster123 (talk) 23:11, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi. I reverted your edit as vandalism during a WP:Huggle session after looking at your edit in isolation in huggle's porthole view into the article showing your edit in isolation along with nearby portions of the Rolf Harris article wikitext. What I saw was the unsupported addition of "and big-time paedophile" onto the occupation= parameter in the infobox. I have since tiken a wider look at the article and see that Harris has been convicted of 12 counts of indecent assault. I won't recount the relevant info here, but its reportage in the article seems to be in line with WP:BLP. Your edit, however, considered on its own merits, has BLP problems and other problems. It seems to me appropriate that the negative information about Harris be mentioned in the infobox, but not at the point where you added it and not using the language which you used. Looking at the {{infobox person}} template, I see that it supports a known_for parameter which is intended to contain a brief description of why the person is notable. You might consider adding the information there, using more encyclopedic language language that you used in the reverted edit, and citing a supporting source. You might or might not get pushback from other editors of the article if you did that, and it would probably be better to propose the addition of this information there on the article's talk page and discuss it there rather than WP:BOLDly adding it.
Feel free to remove or archive the warning message about this edit which huggle will have placed on your user talk page. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:02, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry[edit]

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hello, I'm just sending you this message saying it's not me that's making the disruptive editing on wikipedia. I made the account but my friend kept on doing it I told him to stop and he wouldn't listen
Jramey1998 (talk) 02:55, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry[edit]

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hello, I'm just sending you this message saying it's not me that's making the disruptive editing on wikipedia. I made the account but my friend kept on doing it I told him to stop and he wouldn't listen
Jramey1998 (talk) 02:56, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

YU GI OH GAME[edit]

Hello, I added a yu gi oh game to the list of konami games made. Yu gi oh is owned by konami. You said you did not find it constructive. I would like to know why? It because the game I listed is called yu gi oh gx spirit caller for the ds. It was made by konami and thats why i listed it. So I do not understand why it was deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mario and Wario (talkcontribs) 10:46, October 14, 2014‎

A misuderstood what you were doing. I have undone that reversion, restoring your edit. My error, for which I apologize. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:01, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

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Origin of the domestic dog[edit]

Hi Wtmitchell, I have removed the reference to the gray wolf (Canis Lupus) because none of the 3 citations listed (by somebody in the past) actually said that. They talk in terms of wolves, or wolf-like canids, but none confirms Canus Lupis. If someone wants to argue that the Gray Wolf is the ancestor of the dog, they will need to supply the citations. There are plenty of those about that indicate this, but they are getting a little dated. (I have supplied a couple myself, under the heading DNA.)

I am already in debate with an "editor" about what he did with my Thalmann reference, which he has not replied to as yet - Thalmann actually stated that the research indicates that the ancestor of the dog was a now-extinct European wolf-like canid, and not Canis Lupus. I can only cite what the research shows; it would appear that there are some who want to interpret that research to suit their own ends. Warm regards, William William of Aragon (talk) 05:42, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

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Looking for a reference work[edit]

Hi

We've spoken before, and I know you have a few history books knocking about. I wonder if you could help me with this: I have noticed on many Phil history pages reference to a work by Redondo, for instance National Shrine of Saint Joseph (Mandaue). usually (Redondo 1886 and a page number). But I am unable to find any works by him, not within wikipedia and not in the outside digital world neither. Do you happen to know what the work is? As far as I can tell, he was an Augustinian priest, so Fr Rufino Redondo OAR (or maybe Ruffino).

I prefer to work not-logged-in, so a reply here would be best. Thanks 112.198.82.136 (talk) 16:23, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi.
The name Redondo as an author does not ring a bell. I did some googling around and did not come up with anything useful except possibly http://pinoychurches.wordpress.com/category/by-region/page/40/ which leads to a private wordpress page. You need to be a wordpress member to request access but there is a free registration option. If you register with wordpress and request access, they notify the site owner of the request. I'll do that and let you know if anything comes of it.
Some googling also turned up the Borbon, Cebu WP article, which has a Harvard citation to Don Ambrosio; Redondo (1886, 157) but no full cite for that. It is maddening when this happens -- I think it comes about when WP editors copy a Harvard cite along with some material they requote or WP:copypaste into WP from an academic work and neglect to copy the associated full cite. I've placed {{cnf}} tags on the Redondo Harvard cites in the two WP articles mentioned here. Perhaps something will come out of that.
I'll also reply to your anon talk page. Cheers. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:18, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for any/everything. Because my immediate area of interest is Bohol, I just did a wikisearch of "Redondo Bohol" or "Redondo 1886" which throw up a few more, including Sogod, Southern Leyte - not Bohol at all. I chose National Shrine of Saint Joseph (Mandaue) (also not Bohol) as an example only because it was top of the list.
There is some dispute about his persuasion – one site says he was a Jesuit, other say Augustinian (recollect). And his first name. The most cites were actually on a page I blanked earlier this week for {{copyvio}} – Roman Catholic churches in Bohol but you'd probably need to look at the source to get to them. That seemed to me a direct copy of a single external site (which is why I copyvio'ed it), but annoyingly it has the same inline cites and no proper citation, so I guess they nicked it all from somewhere else, question is where? All seems to be one book, of 1886.
I had a look at that pinoy churches site – nice pictures but not much more. However I left a Q on the author's blog page. Which says s/he's 15 hours behind here, so I imagine US west coast. There is also a facebook page, with no further info.
Cheers 112.198.82.85 (talk) 01:46, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Please indef block user Grayfell12[edit]

Hello. Could you make the block of User:grayfell12 indefinite? It's clear that the account was created solely to make a snotty point about my editing. I don't know exactly what's going on, but in addition to the name, it's a vandalism-only account which copy/pasted my user page as it's first edit: Special:Contributions/Grayfell12. I can't think of a reason to let that block ever expire without an explanation. Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 21:40, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

After a look at some past edits by that user, I've done that. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:29, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello this is Kenneth Ford[edit]

I recently attempted to upload a photo of my ancestor Louis Rafield to the drummer boy article. I found out I did not have permission to upload a photo or something like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenneth Ford (talkcontribs) 14:00, October 23, 2014‎

Offhand, I don't know what the problem might have been. The info at Wikipedia:Uploading images ought to help, or you could look at Wikipedia:Files for upload (which says that you should ask at Wikipedia:Helpdesk, or seek assistance at WP's live help facility. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:27, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Do you speak Polish?[edit]

You just deleted Mieszkanie czy dom as nonsense. If I was to assume good faith, I would have to assume that you speak good Polish and were able to tell that it was gibberish in Polish. Otherwise, I need to remind you that G1 explicitly says it does not apply to foreign language material. If it isn't gibberish in Polish, then the page needs to be restored so that a Polish speaker can review it. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:25, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Now tagged at Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:36, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Restored. I was just looking at the wikitext and missed seeing the {{Notenglish}} tag. It looked like gibberish to me. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:43, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
However it was spam, so I've deleted it again--Jac16888 Talk 15:56, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
I thought it was kinda fishy, and I think some spammers intentionally post on the wrong language to avoid scrutiny. See Template talk:Not English to discuss. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 16:02, 25 October 2014 (UTC)