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building maps tutorial and 2011 China flooding[edit]

Cancelled cross.svg Cancelled— Lack of graphical sources. Lack of time. Yug (talk) 09:35, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Hello Yug, I saw your post asking if someone would be interested in following a tutorial on how to create maps - I would be interested and I'm happy to give it a go at copy editing. My machine is not very powerful so it might not be able to cope. On a second issue when I was looking at this talk page (to see whether there was a section I should respond in) I spotted that you seem to have chinese language skills - so perhaps you can help with the 2011 China floods article - which badly needs a map showing all the provinces and autonomous regions, and showing where the flooding is. Just a simplistic - flooding is 'here' type map with the names of all the regions would be great, could I persuade you to have a go - or to show me how to do it. Ideally the map would be clickable with submaps of each province showing the counties - and all kinds of funky stuff, but I think that's probably too technical for my machine to handle.

Cheers EdwardLane (talk) 09:35, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Edward, I'm indeed working on China, and looking for such challenge, but I will be busy in the coming 2 weeks. So I need a clear list of informations to draw, or some summary maps displaying these inforations to copy. This will allow me to move fast (1~2 hours). Can you provide this ? Yug (talk) 11:41, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Yeah I can try and get that for you :) Is this a good spot to paste that summary of information ? EdwardLane (talk) 16:22, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
You can put it here, or create a section "map request" in the article, and tell me when finished. Yug (talk) 16:31, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Hmm it's looking complex as the situation keeps changing - and I'm not really sure what is best to display on the map. A basic terrain map of china showing rivers (with names for the major ones), major cities, provinces (including autonomous ones) names + boundaries would be a good start. Any more and it starts to look cluttered I think. Perhaps a blue overlay for flooded provinces, but getting the extent of the flooding correct is I think impossible, but a label saying 'extent of flooding on 30 June' might I suppose do the job. And then I can and track down things up to but not after that date (I've been a bit slack not tracking the news properly for a week or so, just getting the big headline info into the article). EdwardLane (talk) 10:48, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

PRC provincial maps[edit]

Cancelled cross.svg Cancelled— I m not anymore on the way do draw them. Yug (talk) 09:35, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

How is the work progressing? It has been 18 days since you agreed to my request for these locator maps, so hopefully you should have a clear idea of how to create just one. If not, then this is most disappointing. If you are at an impasse, ask NordNordWest on Commons; I have refrained from pestering him because he uploads many German train station pictures... —Xiaoyu: 聊天 (T) 贡献 (C) 21:19, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Hello Xiaoyu, i got busy making the tourist guide for 3 groups of taiwaneses coming to my home/region. My progress is that i downloaded the gis files needed, and made one test which work. Stay to find time to actually do the serieb of files. Yug (talk) 21:54, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
I found some solutions, my data files and techniques are both fine, all is ready to generate some nice files. I will upload a first example tomorrow. Then, it will just need to do it carefully. (georeferencing) Yug (talk) 23:17, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

PRC pushpin maps[edit]

Cancelled cross.svg Cancelled— I m not anymore on the way do draw them. Yug (talk) 09:35, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Not to seem pestering, but not one map has been produced since the release of Hubei on 17 Aug. It has been more than 3 months. Just a reminder. Thanks much  The Tartanator  00:43, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Noticed, very simply not enough time for that. Sorry. --Yug (talk) 14:23, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

Yes check.svg Done

The Spring and Autumn map is one of the best maps we have. Benjamin Trovato (talk) 11:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Great, that's the first of a serie ! I will lead a map making project for Chinese history. For this case, I will soon upload the English version. PS: I'm mainly slowled down by the lack of authoritative sources. If you have such, please forward me sourced maps needing a big refreshing ! Ĩ will do my best. Yug (talk) 13:15, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
1. Title should read 'Chinese plain in the late Spring and Autumn period (5th century BC)' (the; spelling; 5BC means 5 years before Christ). 2. 'Chinese Sea' is normally 'East China Sea'. 3. If you change the map, changing Wei to Wey would avoid confusion.
I don't do much China now, so I can't help. Philg88 might know. I know some Russia maps we need. Also, thanks for teaching me about Mer de Chine :). Benjamin Trovato (talk) 00:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Template:Cite GIS and tutorials[edit]

Hi, Yug.

{{tl:Cite GIS}} is a great idea for a citing a GIS map or USGS topographic map. It may be something I use in the future in my work-in-progress User:Matthewedwards/Antelope Valley, which will discuss in detail the topography of the valley and its surrounding mountains. There is one thing that needs adding to the citation template, and that's the accessdate= field. Your "home" is the French Wikipedia, right? I've never edited an article there, so I don't know what the rules are on references, but we require an accessdate= for each citation that uses an external URL, so that other editors and readers know what date the URL was accessed on, and thus how up-to-date the sentence or paragraph is that is being cited. I have never edited a citation template, so I'm not going to do it myself, but this really needs adding in.

QGis Tutorial: Secondly, I noticed Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Resources/QGis lesson 1: Create a topographic background. At first glance it looks like a great tutorial! I've attempted to make some maps before, similar to what you and Sting make, but I've had to use a partially translated version of Sting's instructions for GRASS GIS, 3DEM, GIMP and Inkscape. It hasn't really been easy as the translations have never been completed, and there has been no instructions for doing any bathymetry. File:Topographical map of the Antipodes Islands in English.svg is the best I was able to do under the circumstances.

QGis Tutorial, Questions:I am going to try using your Quantum GIS tutorial, but I need to get some further information, which you may decide to include in the tutorial.

  1. How do I access the ETOPO1 files? I looked at http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/global/global.html and from past discussions with Sting I know to click on "Create Custom Grids" on the left, but I don't know how to use the table. If you could explain it or add a paragraph or two to the tutorial, that would be helpful.
  2. Do we need to use the NASA SWBD files for the coastline? If so, how do we add this to Q-GIS?
  3. At what point is the projection changed to reflect the curvature of the Earth, and see curved latitude lines?
  4. Is Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Resources/QGis lesson 2: Merge tiles and Shaded reliefs a completed tutorial, and are the Using Gdaldem hillshape (best) instructions for Windows or only Ubuntu?
  5. Are Composite relief (0%) and "Black waters to transparency" incomplete?
  6. What is Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Resources/QGis lesson 3: Raster to vector and Change projection for?

Hope to hear from you soon, I am very eager to try out the tutorial. Regards, Matthewedwards :  Chat  05:55, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello Mat,
I'm currently travelling for 15 days and without my computer, I can't dig in. The tutorial is still an open work in progress, we need people to explore around & push forward. In short, you will move smoothly to a correct level, then you will have to tinker.
  1. ETOPO1: follow the tutorial Lesson 1, to download, and to load into QGis. That's explain, and have been tested and copy edited by MissMJ. Should be fine.
  2. Coastline/SWBD : if you work on a really small area, the SWBD will be need, since they are the most precise for water. For world map, use the "Coastline" file. Both are available from the GIS source page, there.
  3. Warp (Reprojection) : not yet writted down, you will have to tinker.
  4. A series: After lesson 1 come /QGis lesson 2: Merge tiles and Shaded reliefs, being functions you need later on, for merging tiles and shaded relief. Gdaldem tested for ubuntu, to dig in and adapt for Windows (which I don't have). Likely to install Gdal (see official website), then should be quite similar.
  5. Incomplete: Yes, Composite relief (0%) and "Black waters to transparency" incomplete. They are less used, also. For black water, I think merge tile delete this, or use the vecto Bathymetry (GIS source page) to hide it.
  6. /QGis lesson 3 is a outline for content to be added next. That's still an open work. If you find some answer, share it.
In short, surf on this tutorial as far as you can, then explore and tinker QGis. This soft seems frankly great, we have to master it. Good luck ! 14.136.197.16 (talk) 09:23, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


Selective omission[edit]

Yes check.svg Done — issue closed. Yug (talk) 09:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Your new article has a very small focus, but the term "selective omission" has a very wide focus. Are you going to expand it? Binksternet (talk) 15:06, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

I met this term used in individual psychology too, but I'm here just to create the stub, without enough knowledge nor interest in the field to push further. Yug (talk) 16:11, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Okay. I may expand the article to include other uses. Binksternet (talk) 16:18, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Happy thanks to You. Yug (talk) 16:41, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Re: Image's edition[edit]

Yes check.svg Done — issue closed. Yug (talk) 09:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Did you write on my wiki-wall? (if it's not you, sorry for the bother)
Just in case you don't get the response there - the link was red because of the language change, I paste it here too:

Thanks for the tip about hugin, but no thanks :) My creations are non-photoshop or digital stitch tools of any kind.
I shoot each photo and print them separately.
Then I cut them with scissors and stitch them together with glue.
That's my kind of art... What you see here is merely a scan of the creation. In real life it looks much better.
You're welcome to visit my site for more of this kind: hapan.co.il or, if you can't read Hebrew... you can use the translated site (although the gallery widget doesn't work there well)


-- --מוטי פנחסי (talk) 21:14, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Hahahahaaha !!! I love it, no sowftare used, I was so surprised. That recall us that art is first of all a things doable with scissors ; ) Yug (talk) 21:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 :-) מוטי פנחסי (talk) 22:05, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Excellent work![edit]

Yes check.svg Done — issue closed. Yug (talk) 09:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Great job, Yug! I truly admire the work you've done making these maps for Chinese history. I especially like the placement of a world globe in the top right corner. Unfortunately I am serving as a Peace Corps volunteer in Kyrgyzstan at the moment, so I will be unable to use Wikipedia on a frequent basis. When I return to the States in one year I will most certainly utilize these maps and provide sources when I can. Cheers old friend! --Pericles of AthensTalk 09:46, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Animated map of China[edit]

Yes check.svg Done — issue closed. Yug (talk) 09:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi again Yug. Sorry for long period of inactivity regarding the historic animated map of China, I am really overcommitted right now. How do you think we can make things more transparent and citable without a massive time commitment? prat (talk) 02:29, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

WP Maps in the Signpost[edit]

Yes check.svg Done — issue closed. Yug (talk) 09:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Maps for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 00:51, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Yug, Justthought I'd let you know I've written some stuff on that interview page, I think you would be much better placed to answer some of the questions than me though. Could you have a quick look and see when you do get a chance, particularly the last question seems like one we could do with fleshing out ways we could get help from others. Anyway hope things are going well. EdwardLane (talk) 10:10, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Hey, just thought you should know that the Signpost article will be published Monday. Since some of your answers indicated that you would be coming back to add more, please make changes directly to the article page before the end of Sunday so it can be included in the published version. Thanks! -Mabeenot (talk) 22:52, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Signpost for April 30

Hi,

Tony asked me if I could put a big map at the end of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-04-30/WikiProject report, so I added one. If you would rather have another map there, that's fine. I'm also going to ask EdwardLane, as I don't know which one of you is on line right now. The issue is about to be published. Thanks, MathewTownsend (talk) 18:28, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Mappers' software needs[edit]

Hi! I saw your Signpost interview, and especially took note when you said:

For the future, I personally think that map-making and image creation in general now need a stronger and ACTIVE support from the Wikimedia foundation. Wikipedia is both text (wiki editor system) and images, with maps having a special place. Some innovative technical solutions and projects are already financed by the Wikimedia Foundation on the editing side. Serious and professional technical innovations projects are needed for images and maps as well. A good direction, for example, would be the development of a free on-the-cloud global map-making system similar to Google-map. Sharemap.org is creating a such online system specifically for encyclopedic maps and Wikipedia, but currently without any official support. But as for other heavy-coding projects, only some financial support can avoid failure and keep them going to improve the Wikipedia map sites. I sincerely wish the foundation can wake up and support this graphic side of its projects.

I encourage you to file this feature request in our request- and defect-tracking system, and to reach out to us in the MediaWiki community (I'm mw:User:Sumanah) to talk with us more about your needs. Thanks! Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation Engineering Community Manager 01:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Yug, I was wondering whether you have shared your ideas at the maps-l list? Let me know if there is anything I can do to help. I work with Sumana at the WMF and you can find me at mw:User:Qgil.--Qgil (talk) 23:28, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Philippe Beaudette's reponse[edit]

Hi Yug, and thank you for your note on my talk page on the strategy wiki. Several of the questions that you ask are unfortunately not ones that I know the answer to, but I'm more than happy to try to connect you with the people who will. If you'd do me a favor and send me an email (ideally with the same content as on my talk page), then I can forward it around until we find out who can answer your questions. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 06:19, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Re: Standard for Dry Water Bodies[edit]

Yes check.svg Done
Dry water convention example.svg

Hello, I had decided on the map I'm working on to do the following for dry water bodies.

I took the normal fill color for water bodies (c6ecff) and reduced alpha to hex 66. This will show any objects under the dry water body but, I feel, help conveys the sense of "dryness" or transience of a dry water body. I also changed the outline to a dashed stroke which seems to be common in other atlases and topographical maps I've seen.

For rivers, I suppose the same rule would apply. Let me know what you think. Thanks for the response.

Ixnayonthetimmay (talk) 11:15, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Cartographic lab : go/kill gates advices[edit]

Hello Yug, I am from the Russian Graphic Lab and I need your advice, as I believe you are very experienced in this. Recently, we have got a reqeust from one of the users to make a public domain map out of a fair use image, uploaded to the russian wikipedia. I saw how well you did on Tang dynasty map, so my question is, how much information can someone actually use from a fair-use image or a map? This particular request has to do with Ming dynasty, so the case is similar. Thank you in advance. --Ahnode (talk) 21:10, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

O.O : russians have a GLab !! ok.
Some rules :
1. Are you using a trustful source ? if not, don't continue.
2. facts are not copyrighted : they are facts, not a creation. Historical facts (name of cities, place of battles, battle names) are thus free to be copied.
3. Word-to-word translation are not copyghted (北京 -> Beijing) ;
4. A territory area is free to be... 'vampired' ("territory according to [Author name], in [Source reference]"). Except if its a claim specific to this author (thus a personal creation).
5. Colors, styles, fonts, background, place and look of the legend, icons : all this is copyrighted. Don't COPY the WHOLE SET, that's a copyrighted set. But : yellow, red, blue,... are not copyrighted : if the author's map and your both use it, that's still fine.
In sum, you can pick up facts, not the styles, nor the icons. The best is to add some other facts to even create a truly new set of facts.
PS:I work using SVG, but my full set of SVG tools for Chinese History maps are not yet finish, and not yet share on commons >.O But I encourage you to start your work by using this SVG version: File:China-Historic_macro_areas.svg, easy to map-edit using Inkscape.
Yug (talk) 07:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
This is fantastic! Thank you very much, also your maps are state-of-the-art :) --Ahnode (talk) 13:05, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Notice to mappers[edit]

Here is a brand new page to promote (french;) Geolocalisation. Have a look at "From image to its parametrization". (please fell free to fix my poor english)

I also want to (re)create Commons:Template:Map to document ... maps ;)

Finally, I'm looking for good maps to test fr:Modèle:Géolocalisation/Projection perspective (fr:Modèle:Géolocalisation/Stéréographique/0/0 is awful (unusable?) and too simple)

Best regards.   <STyx @ (I promote Geolocation) 22:18, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

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Form[edit]

La section pour récupéré les résultats est basée sur :

Graphic labs : best practices[edit]

about that - I tried that Template and I don't like it becouse it links to the Graphic Lab at the english wikipedia, and not to our Lab. Amirki (talk) 14:49, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

The English text version of your template read by English speakers will link to the English lab.
The Hebraic text version of your template read by Israeli speakers will link to your lab.
The Hebraic text version of our French template will lead to your :he lab.
The work I do in the French or English lab will provide links to your lab. That's the point. Yug (talk) 15:19, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
DONE! Amirki (talk) 16:44, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

RfC: Guideline on depiction of disputed lands/territories[edit]

Dear Yug, your kind attention here. Best regards, — Nearly Headless Nick {c} 08:28, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Yug, I see that you are editing again. The two month window for the proper adjudication of the dispute has passed. Would you still like to help with the map guidelines with your recommendations? — Nearly Headless Nick {c} 06:44, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Qgis tutorials[edit]

Hello, Yug. It's been quite a while since we spoke about these. I stopped trying to make maps for a while, but I've had some free time lately so I decided to give it another try.

Unfortunately, I'm still not getting to grips with Qgis. Are you still making maps yourself?

Have you considered making a Youtube video or ogv video lesson, teaching all the steps necessary to create a map? I know it would help me as I'm a very visual learner, and if people were able to make a map while referencing a video at the same time, it might make it easier.

Also, once I know the steps, I would be able to help with typing up the tutorials.

All the best, Matthewedwards (talk · contribs) 22:51, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello Matthew,
The QGIs tutorial serie wait a long due revamp. I reorganized the lessons in a better way to prepare this, but I have so, so many other priorities to manage recently (real life AND Free knowledge life). My priority on wiki should be
1. a push for locator maps and color blind guidelines. I did read academic documents about that (Cynthia Brewer 2005), and need to share it.
2. I need to request WM founding for Sharemap.
3. I need to push on these QGIS tutorials, which need about 3-5 days of doing-writing.
In real life, my big projects are:
1. to push my PhD,
2. to write a study to be published,
3. to push a mobile apps project,
4. to apply to some Chinese scholarship,
5. to move to a new apartment,
6. to find a new part time job.
I'am very sorry I can't contribute more. At less, the structure of the lessons is there, google and trying may then help you to find a way.
Last, Please, tell me where you are locked ? upload your last work. Maybe I may help around (-> video). Yug (talk) 19:27, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Scholarship last date:

  1. Yes check.svg Done: Wikimania2013:02/22;
  2. PassadenaUS Conf:03/01;
  3. PLIDAM;
  4. China 03/31;
  5. WMF: ?;
  6. French-German Research:04/15

Yug (talk) 23:43, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

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Current status on the new map.[edit]

Move back to the Map workshop. Yug (talk) 19:06, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Grant requested by Jakub Kaniewski[edit]

As you can see on this page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/ShareMap#Project_goals Jakub Kaniewski has requested a grant for the development of Sharemap. My question for you is: how can we rally support for this request from our fellow Wikipedians who are interested in creating maps? Wereldburger758 (talk) 12:11, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Wikmaps grant request : we need your support[edit]

Salut Yug !
Je viens d'apporter mon soutien à votre projet sur Meta mais seulement aujourd'hui. J'espère malgré tout qu'il sera pris en compte. Bonne chance ! Sting (talk) 18:26, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

P.S. : Quant à « magicien », c'est plutôt à toi que sied ce qualificatif puisque tu es en voie de pouvoir créer de façon semi-automatique des cartes de qualité, chose que je serai bien incapable de faire !
Ce n'est pas encore fait. Avec de grands pouvoirs viennent de grandes responsabilités. Yug (talk) 20:15, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

OER inquiry[edit]

Hi Yug, I'm sending you this message because you're one of about 300 users who have recently edited an article in the umbrella category of open educational resources (OER) (or open education). In evaluating several projects we've been working on (e.g. the WIKISOO course and WikiProject Open), my colleague Pete Forsyth and I have wondered who chooses to edit OER-related articles and why. Regardless of whether you've taken the WIKISOO course yourself - and/or never even heard the term OER before - we'd be extremely grateful for your participation in this brief, anonymous survey before 27 April. No personal data is being collected. If you have any ideas or questions, please get in touch. My talk page awaits. Thanks for your support! - Sara FB (talk) 20:51, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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About current events conflict of May 21[edit]

I would like to notify you that the current events page is NOT a place where Palestinian propaganda can be posted. Please refrain from posting Palestinian propaganda in the future. Also using words for "shock value" like "sniping children" is not acceptable. Also your warning you left on my page is pitiful and a unnecessary threat. Already your story was taken town by another user. The consensus is in, you cannot post Palestinian propaganda. Thank you and I hope that your contributions to Wikipedia in the future are fruitful and unbiased. --Newsjunky12 (talk) 12:22, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

user:Newsjunky12, I don't care what country are these men, you are human, you know that what happened there is not acceptable. Yug (talk) 13:44, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Video revew suggests that teenagers where not threats and killing was willful. (The New York Times, The Guardian, Al Jazeera)
What is also not acceptable is Palestine, Iran, Syria, and other Muslim organizations and countries calling for genocide against the Jewish people and Palestinians dragging people by a rope on a motorcycle through the streets until they die without trial. Yeah, it goes both ways. --Newsjunky12 (talk) 16:21, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
I would like to extent my gratitude to you for re posting the news story with unbiased sources and also representing the response of the Israeli government. Very good reporting. I hope that we can both reconcile, but I stand by my opinion that Palestine is just as culpable in violence and human rights abuses as Israel. --Newsjunky12 (talk) 16:28, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
I know about that all, there are crazy people on both side. We are here to denounce them all, whatever the side they are. In this case, the IDF should be sharp and honnest to itself, catch this crazy sniper who is not giving a terrible bad image of the Jewish people, and jail him for life. Yug (talk) 16:44, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

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