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county flags in city infoboxes[edit]

I think it's a bad idea to add county flags in {{Infobox settlement}}. They are redundant, obscure, and distracting. While there is a loophole in MOS:INFOBOXFLAG for national flags and state flags, the flags of California counties are not recognizable to most readers. As long as we're both editing southern California city infoboxes, it would be helpful if we could reach some consensus on this issue. Your colleague, —Stepheng3 (talk) 21:54, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

@Stepheng3: First thank you for the pleasant tone you struck in that message. Made a big difference in how I received it. I strongly disagree with your analysis. These flags are 23x15px. That is not some huge distraction. Now I will conceed that the flag of Los Angeles County is MUCH less recognizable that the Flag of the United States. IMHO it is more about alignment at that point. For example, take Anaheim, California. If you remove the Orange County flag then the three groups of text do not line up. Maybe its a little bit of my OCD kicking in but I like things to line up and look pretty! :-p Another thing to note is that featured articles such as New York City include the National and State flags. This was where I was drawing my guide from initially. Then (to my earlier point) I just liked it because it looks better IMHO.
I should also clarify, I am not really doing much with these city pages. My work on here is focused on fire departments. I am currently redoing most of the Fire departments in California pages. As I come across cities or counties that have  United States or  California missing in them, I have been updating them. I have also updated a few infoboxes that had super wide images in them, and other blaring issues. I don't want to step on your toes and certainly don't want to start any edit wars. Let me know your thoughts and let us definitely try to work together!
Again, thank you very much for the pleasant tone! Your cohort, --Zackmann08 (talk) 22:15, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
I get what you're saying about flags affecting the alignment of the text labels. And I do appreciate your efforts to shrink infoboxes that are too wide.
Frankly, the best way to deal with the alignment issue would be to remove the flag icons entirely. If readers want to see the state flag or county flag, they can always click through the appropriate wikilink.
I believe there are editors who go around removing all higher-order flag icons from infoboxes. In fact, I used to be one of them. But that was many years ago. I've developed a more relaxed attitude about flag icons. Nowadays I generally leave them alone except in extreme cases, such as when a county flag is displayed without the national flag. What I really want is consistency, but that seems too much to ask of Wikipedia.
There's a similar issue with the subdivision_type1 parameter. Some U.S. city infoboxes link to U.S. state and some link to Political divisions of the United States. In the context of California, I tend to prefer the former because it's more specific, but I see you've been pushing in the opposite direction. Do you see any clear advantage to Political divisions of the United States?—Stepheng3 (talk) 22:37, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
@Stepheng3: First of all, I COMPLETELY agree with you about U.S. state. The use of Political divisions of the United States was me copying and pasting from a poorly done page and not checking what I was copying. -_- Rather embarrassing actually. As for the flag icons I think we may just have to agree to disagree on that. I will hold off on doing much more editing of those. I've got enough stuff to do on my fire department pages... I will still jump in if I see a blatant mistake, (there are a few that just have "United States", note even United States let alone  United States). Don't hesitate to ping me if I can help with anything you are working on. --Zackmann08 (talk) 22:47, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Well that's a relief; I was worried I might've overlooked something. And I'm okay agreeing to disagree about county flag icons.
There are thousands of California populated places with Wikipedia articles, so there's always plenty I could use help with. Lots of parameters to be filled in, sources to be cited, seldom-used parameters to be deleted, details to be standardized, images and facts to be added, mayors to be updated and so on. You can study my edit history for ideas, or if you tell me what you like doing, I can make specific suggestions. Warm regards,—Stepheng3 (talk) 22:58, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
PS: I should also mention that I have mixed feelings about replacing United States with United States. I do it occasionally myself, but I suspect some editors regard the United States as a major geographic feature for the purposes of WP:OLINK, so it's not safe to treat these as blatant mistakes.—Stepheng3 (talk) 23:50, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
@Stepheng3: That would be an example of a place where I feel that you just have to go with what is most common. I would venture to guess that something like 85-90% of infoboxes link United States. As you yourself said, consistency is key! If nothing else it is more practical to try to change 10-15% than 85-90%. Even if that number is more 75/25... You get my point. Anyway, back to work for me! Talk more soon I'm sure. --Zackmann08 (talk) 00:01, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Another point to consider: what about counties which don't have a flag, or for which no image of the flag has yet been uploaded? Butte County, California and Colusa County, California, for example. Would you create an icon using the county seal instead? Best regards,—Stepheng3 (talk) 22:55, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

@Stepheng3: Personally I would like to just create a flag for those counties! But I'll live to fight another day.... This is a valid point. No I would not use a county seal. But These are not as common though they certainly do exist! --Zackmann08 (talk) 22:57, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

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FEMA Urban Search and Rescue Task Force[edit]

Pipeing a space there causes the article to sort to the top of the list. This is generally done for a main article for that category. Besides the space, you will commonly see an '*' used to sort lists near the top. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:39, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

@Vegaswikian: Awesome! Thanks for the explanation! --Zackmann08 (talk) 21:41, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Removing listing of Fire Departments[edit]

I noticed that when you supposedly fixed the Los Angeles County Fire Department page I noticed that you removed the section about other fire departments in Los Angeles County. Why? I spend several hours trying to put that together. And don't come back saying unsourced material because that's just being childish! tom991

@Tom991: if you would like to try that again in an adult, civilized tone, without sarcasm such as "supposedly fixed" and accusing me of being childish, I would be more than happy to have a constructive conversation regarding my changes. --Zackmann08 (talk)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Virginia/color[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgTemplate:Virginia/color has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Frietjes (talk) 23:28, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

@Frietjes: thanks for the heads up. --Zackmann08 (talk) 23:47, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Your message[edit]

Thanks for your message yesterday. Have been doing a little Article Rescue Squadron type stuff recently so more fire-fighting than a particular interest in fire departments. Having said that, my personal view is that they're like secondary/high schools and railway/railroad stations; inherently notable (and interesting), even the smallest.

Anyhow, are you aware of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Waukegan Fire Department and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/White Marsh Volunteer Fire Company? On that second one, perhaps this edit of yours took out just a little too much, particularly of the history. The renaming certainly deserves a mention and some other points might usefully be shrunk but their essence retained.

Keep up the good work. -Arb. (talk) 20:13, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

@Arb: Heyo! I like your point about them being inherently notable. I agree! That being said, I have my reservations about some of these poorly done articles. Let me revisit the article you mentioned above and see if I can't restore some stuff. The issue for me is I don't like blatantly copied material or stuff that is super verbose. For example this. Yes it removes a lot from the page but holy cow... That stuff is NOT needed. Anyway, gotta find that middle ground. Thanks for the comments and keep up the good work!! --Zackmann08 (talk) 21:09, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

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Orphaned non-free image File:WhiteMarshVolunteerFireCompanyLogo.jpg[edit]

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No Reliable sources in Los Angeles Fire Department[edit]

Hello. I notice that you have been editing Los Angeles City Fire Department. There is a good deal of WP:Original research on that page and reliance on sources that are not reliable. I refer you to Talk:Los_Angeles_Fire_Department#No_sources and request that you comment there concerning your recent edits, which seem to fall into those categories. Thank you. GeorgeLouis (talk) 16:27, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Reverts[edit]

It's tiresome that you're reverting so many of my edits. Particularly when:

  • You say parameters I added were already in the fore department infobox, but they were not. (I have thus restored them)
  • You're ignoring MOS:FLAG, about which I see you were already notified, above. I have again removed the flag icons.
  • You're misapplying {{URL}} - please read its documentation. I have again fixed this.

-- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:55, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: My apologies. Regarding the {{Infobox fire department}}, my confusion is that the template already has Water tenders and you added tankers which doesn't link to anything. My understanding is that these are the same thing? Perhaps you can help me understand, what do you mean by a tanker? Are these perhaps one and the same? --Zackmann08 (talk) 15:47, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

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More AfD[edit]

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Fire department templates TfD[edit]

No offence at all. I'm about to turn in for the night, so I'll reply tomorrow. Alakzi (talk) 01:54, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

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Clark County Fire Department[edit]

I simply removed certain trucks that were no longer at the stations. I have been to most all of the Clark County Fire Department stations while on vacation there last month, and after I asked, they said that those trucks weren't there. FireTruckBuff8298 (talk) 01:32, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@FireTruckBuff8298: your edits did not reflect this fact. You simply removed the content without citing anything or giving any explanation. From now on, if and when you are removing content, include an explanation in the edit summary. Otherwise it just looks like vandalism. I appreciate your efforts. Also, on a personal note, I'm SUPER jealous you got to visit all these stations! Get any good pictures? --Zackmann08 (talk) 03:26, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, check out my YouTube page. FireTruckBuff8298 (ssbannerboy) FireTruckBuff8298 (talk) 02:47, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

March 2015 edit[edit]

Oh Zack please do get a life! Unless you are a Wikipedia administrator you can't tell me that I am going to be blocked in the future. And it seems that you have been warned a few times your self. This is the problem with Wikipedia, too many people think that they have power when they really don't! Thank You, Tom991

@Tom991: I was using the well established WP:WARN mechanism that has long been setup. Not claiming to have power I do not. I would encourage you to read WP:GOODFAITH. There is no need to personally attack me and tell me to get a life. This is the second time you have left this sort of comment on my talk page. I would appreciate you no longer doing so. Thank you and have a good day. --Zackmann08 (talk) 22:10, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Massachusetts Call Volunteer Firefighters' Association[edit]

I understand that the article may not meet Wikipedia's inclusion guidelines however per the proposed deletion policy, if a proposed deletion tag is removed, a new method of deletion must be pursued. AfD would be the next step here should you wish to pursue this. Rjd0060 (talk) 13:52, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

@Rjd0060: Gotcha. Thanks! I appreciate the explanation. I thought that because the original proposal had not given any reason, that reopening it with a reason would be the way to go. --Zackmann08 (talk) 16:03, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

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Nuclear Firefighters[edit]

Hey,

Thanks for reaching out to me. Just want to say I don't want to take any credit for being a firefighter. I was only a firefighter at a nuclear power plant and in the several years I stood watch, I never had to respond to a large fire. So I feel it inappropriate for me to accept any gratitude, would be an insult to true firefighters that stand watch for cities and counties.

Having to participate in drills, constant training, and live burns, I must say that I now have a small understanding of the risk city firefighters accept into their daily life. Fighting a controlled gas fire is scary! Couldn't imagine an uncontrolled fire. I learned to worship the charged nozzle, would never stray from it when entering a building and fighting a fire.

I am now an engineer and no longer support the fire brigade at the nuclear power plant. I miss working with my team, a great bunch of people that just understand things better than others that have never been in the trenches.

My idea I would like to propose is to ask around about firefighters that have experience with training at nuclear power plants.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.190.147.229 (talk) 19:33, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, been a while since I edited Wikipedia. Now I think me name is here. Gilawson (talk) 19:39, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

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PROD at Croydon Fire Company[edit]

I have removed a recent PROD of yours. You will have to take Croydon Fire Company to WP:AFD because Arb contested your original PROD, which makes it a "controversial" proposal. Whether or not it is in fact controversial is a different matter and not one upon which I have an opinion. The discussion here may or may not be of relevance in this case. - Sitush (talk) 07:15, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

re: Wildfire[edit]

Hi - thanks for the message, and I'm happy to help! It's pretty simple, really. We'd be locking the barn door after the horses got out and came back by themselves. I'll point you to WP:SPARE because this is a perfect example of a page that can attract an immature crowd.

This article attracts about ten editors a month. Four editors have made changes in the past ten days (not counting the reverts), and three of those were test edits. They're clearly unrelated to each other, and the frequency is so low that briefly protecting the page from every editor who isn't auto-confirmed wouldn't stop any ongoing issue. That might change, but right now everything seems fine.

On my user page, there are links to my admin logs, including the log of pages I've protected. Take a look at the page histories of those articles. You'll see (I hope) that when I lock a page against anyone, it's because there's a current problem that we can't address another way, by blocking the problematic editor or sending the issue to dispute resolution or ANI or AN3.

This is the encyclopedia anyone can edit, and that's very important to us. That's why we don't protect the TFA, though we do protect the POTD. (I think I declined an RFPP request for the TFA yesterday or the day before.) Sure, we could lock the TFA and save us all a lot of trouble every day, but I'd much rather block one or two problematic editors than lock any page from millions of potential new Wikipedians. And believe me - I got the mop when Grawp was doing his worst, so I have no problem giving the big hammer when I have to.

In the end, it comes down to experience. (Reading WP:LAME every once in a while for perspective helps too.) The way you learn is to ask questions. Thanks for doing that. If I can help in any way or you have more questions, just shout. :-) KrakatoaKatie 09:52, 21 April 2015 (UTC)