# User talk:Zahakiel

Sorry this comes nearly a week late. I was beginning to think nobody delved far enough to read that question. Thank you for responding. DurovaCharge! 23:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I, Durova, award Zahakiel this Wikicookie for an obscure reason that he will probably recognize. DurovaCharge! 23:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

## Your post on my talkpage

I've responded to you here [1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Maniwar (talkcontribs) 15:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

sorry, that's what I get for multitasking. I meant to sign it. --Maniwar (talk) 16:47, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

## Valthasar

Good call. I zapped it: articles have to have at least enough context so a person can expand upon it. This one didn't. -- -- Merope 20:02, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

## 1 Corinthians 13

Hi Zahakiel, thanks for all the great work you've done on this article. One thing that's been bothering me for some time now is that the whole text of the chapter is quoted at charity... does that seem right to you? Even worse, there are now separate articles for charity and Agape. Best wishes Mattmm 19:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I replied to your post on your talk page. Zahakiel 20:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply Zahakiel. I'm a bit out of my depth here, so I've just posted a comment on the Agape talk page - I'm hoping experts such as yourself will be able to steer this one. Best wishes Mattmm 11:23, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I have posted another reply on your talk page. Zahakiel 19:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

## Blue School

Hi - you said at an AfD on the Blue School: "I'd definitely alter my opinion if I saw anything else (in the article, or about-to-be-included in the article) that said why this particular school is notable." I have added some material - would you care to look again at The Blue School, Wells? Regards --Golden Wattle talk 00:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I have replied on your talk page. Zahakiel 02:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I do normally format refs but wasn't prepared to put in the effort for an article that may well be deleted. I do think though that 350 year old schools that were free are probably notable. I am glad you agree. Regards--Golden Wattle talk 03:11, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

## My RfA

My request for adminship has closed successfully (79/0/1), so it appears that I am now an administrator. Thanks very much for your vote of confidence. If there's anything I can ever do to help, please don't hesitate to let me know. IrishGuy talk 02:55, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Not sure if you have my talk page watchlisted... —dgiestc 17:41, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

## Crump

Sorry if I confused this article and you. I was doing some tests of multiple Deftab templates and this can not be done in user space. I chose this article by random, although I thought I was doing the test on the AfD page which is what Deftab is for. Unfortunately Deftab saves the page without the possibility of a preview. So I had to make three edits. An anon thought I was vandalising and removed the AfD notice. You rightly put it back. There must be, and probably is, a better way of doing this kind of test. --Bduke 08:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

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## Incubus (demon)

I just wanted to thank you for the hard work you've been doing on that article, particularly with adding references. You've really improved it! -Aleta 02:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello; thank you. I have also left you a brief note on your talk page. Zahakiel 17:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey I want to double that thanks from Aleta. I noticed it too. Great work! It's vastly improved. --Lendorien 20:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

## WP Christianity

Hi, I saw your name on the WikiProject Christianity Membership page.

I've made some changes to the WP Christianity main project page, added several sup-project pages, created a few task forces section, and proposed several more possible changes so that we can really start making some serious progress on the project. Please stop by and see my comments on the project talk page here and consider joining a task force or helping out with improving and contributing to our sub-projects. Thanks for your time! Nswinton 14:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

## AFD discussion

Hello, you participated in the AfD discussion for Lowercase i prefix. That discussion was closed with a "keep" decision but I felt there was enough consensus to warrant merging the information to Internet-related prefixes. I have placed a comment regarding my decision to go ahead and perform this merge on the talk page here and as you participated in the original discussion wished to alert you to this action and invite you to comment if you felt it was inappropriate. Thanks! Arkyan(talk) 06:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I have posted a reply on your talk page. Thanks. Zahakiel 13:11, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

## Thanks

Let me drop you The Wise Old Owl Award for the deft answering on Jesus. --Brand спойт 14:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

## June 2007 Wikiproject Christianity Newsletter

June 2007 Automatically delivered by HermesBot

First, regarding the DRV, thanks but keep in mind that I'm not the one that needs to be convinced. Second, sig guidelines are in WP:SIG. JoshuaZ 04:41, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: the DRV, I know... I just don't like seeing violations of WP:AGF, especially not from experienced wikipedians. Second, thanks, I now see the new "truncate" rule enforced by the software. I've shortened the code for my signature. I actually think it looks better this way :) Zahakiel 05:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

## Archangel talkpage question

Posted from Talk:Archangel:

I was puzzled that you say that Jesus, in his pre-human existence was the non created Son of God. Have I misunderstood Colossians 1:14 which states in my Bible.. (American Standard) that Christ is "the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation"? And Revelation 3:14 where Jesus is spoken of as "the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God" And Proverbs 8: where my Bible says that Jesus as Wisdom personified was "brought forth" ?

I am off on holiday for a while tomorrow morning but I will check your reply when I return... Keep it as simple as you can... thanks.

David.

Reply - Another excellent question. A part of my reply to this stems from the fact that I am not, in the traditional sense, a Trinitarian. I do not believe that this paradigm sufficiently captures the fullness of the concept expressed by the Hebrew term Elohim, which is the word translated as "God" in English Bibles. I do believe that the Son "proceeded forth and came from" the Father, (John 8:24) but that this is a fundamentally different concept from the idea of being created ex nihilo, or from pre-existing material. For example, light was "created" out of nothingness, and Adam was "created" out of non-living matter. But Eve, on the other hand "came forth" from Adam, a living being, and yet is said to have been there "from the beginning." (Mark 10:6)
This is not a paradox; it reflects certain properties of the Godhead in that Man (as a creature, including both male and female) was formed in the "image" (Heb. tselem - likeness, resemblance) of God: "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them." (Gen 1:27) Note how loosely the language uses the pronouns - "him" and "them" interchangeably - and this is not an arbitrary selection of wording.
It is from this characteristic that we can say, without contradiction, that while the Son "came forth" from the Father, there was never a "time" when the Son was not. In other words, the Messiah's "goings forth have been [...] from everlasting." (Mic 5:2) I know you wanted to keep this simple, so I will just give you a very small idea of how this may be envisioned. Our concept of time depends entirely upon the movement of matter through space. The hands of a clock, the vibration of crystals, the exchange of electrons through a conductor (including our brain matter that perceives the passage of time!)... but before the universe (including its spiritual components) was created, what would time mean? In fact, you must have time, space and matter simultaneously, for the three depend upon each other; basically, you can't have a what without a where and a when :) Just as Eve came forth from Adam as an "image" of Elohim, but was there from "the beginning," so the Son "came forth" from the Father, but was there from "the beginning," which other verses, such as Micah, set before anything was "created" in the sense of being generated from outside the direct Person of God.
Jesus is described as "the beginning of the creation," (your verse from Rev 3) but this wording does not mean He is limited to the creation. In fact, we are specifically told He is not: "All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:3) The phrase "beginning of the creation" does not mean that He was the first thing made. "Beginning" in this case (from the archae, which derives from our previously discussed word) generally means, "the person or thing that commences." A consistent translation would thus read actually read more along the lines of, "The Beginner of the creation." Here we have agreement with the many other verses that say precisely this.
Similarly, the phrase "firstborn of all creation" (Col 1:15) does not mean He is one of the created set, for it says right below, "And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist (i.e., are sustained)." (verse 17) Christ is considered both the creative and sustaining Agency of the universe, and unless we resort to such terms as "self-created," we should probably stick to the Biblical expression "self-existing," which (not coincidentally) is the very name of God: YHWH, "I am that exists." Christ's words, even when He was incarnate, reflect a view that is outside the boundaries of time, saying, for example, "Before Abraham, I AM," (John 8:58) not "I was," and that, just by itself, means as long as YAHWEH, there was the Being who addressed His audience that day.
Finally Proverbs 8 is a parabolic reference to Christ. That is a very important factor, because it means that while we can (and should) extract many characteristics of His personality from the passage, not every detail applies. For example, "Wisdom" is repeatedly referred to as "She," while the actual Christ (in every manifestation) fulfills a distinctly male role. Again we read of Wisdom, "While as yet [God] had not made the earth [...] when [He] prepared the heavens, I was there," while later passages tell us that the Person of Christ was the one who did these things. Even if we ignore the idea that "brought forth" does not mean "created," (for men and women do not create children, another word is used for another concept entirely) we are still left with a number of characteristics in Proverbs 8 that cannot be consistently applied to the Son; therefore this verse should not be used to support the idea that He was not "non-created." I hope I was able to clear this up without going into too much unnecessary detail. Feel free to follow this up. Zahakiel 15:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
This is off topic, but would you please be so kind as to straighten up the LDS archangel section? It's a mess. The references are redundant and non-Archangels are mentioned. I'd do it myself but I am not LDS and don't want to make it worse. Thanks,--Canstusdis (talk) 15:12, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
It looks like Canstusdis was bold and fixed it himself. :) Banaticus (talk) 09:49, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

## NPOV terms in Israelite articles

Putting "some" is certainly a start. I'm not sure whether the individual tribe pages merit each having a separate section on Biblical criticism yet, since the issue is essentially the same for most of the tribes and a couple of sentences would cover it. I think that as long as the main article on the history of Ancient Israel and Judah has a section on the subject, and makes it clear that this position is not the majority view, then other pages could just feature a short note linking to that section. Robin S 20:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

In fact, a brief search has revealed that there is already such a section here on the "divided monarchy / weak Judah" theory and, as you are aware, the theory that the Israelites arose from within Canaanite society is mentioned in the Israelite article. Robin S 20:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll follow it up. The POV poster indicated on his talk page that he's not editing much these days, which might be a good thing... Zahakiel 20:38, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Keep me posted! Robin S 02:13, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
FDuffy has appeared online again, and commented on my talk page about the issue we were discussing previously. I have responded on his talk page. Just thought you might like to know. Robin S 21:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! You put that far better than I could have done. Robin S 16:10, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

## Ben Hur Aldebaran

As you put it, the horse is named after the star. That is the extent of the connection; the horse is presumably not from Aldebaran or from the vicinity of Aldebaran! The Aldebaran in fiction page deals with instances where the star Aldebaran, or its imagined planetary system, appears in fiction, and this rule is consistently adhered to. I presume that "Aldebaran ticklers" are supposed to be an item from some location in the vicinity of the star Aldebaran, but you are probably right that the connection is too loose to warrant inclusion. As for "a planet in some star system", as long as that system is that of Aldebaran, the placement is appropriate. The Astronomical names in popular culture page exists precisely for instances where something is named after the star, but is not otherwise associated with the star.

I'd appreciate it if you'd take care of putting the ref in the correct article yourself. RandomCritic 15:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I have replied on your talk page. Zahakiel 15:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

And thanks for pointing out some of the less appropriate or relevant entries on the page; I've rearranged and moved some of them. RandomCritic 15:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

## Tribes of Israel

I've been on a bit of a Wikibreak for over a week due to some events IRL. I'll try and take a look at things over the weekend. Best, --Shirahadasha 16:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

## Demonology

Hi, a decision was made on the talk page of demonolatry, to merge it into demonology. It was broached on the demonolatry article and talk page for about 10 days. No-one objected so I was bold and went ahead. However I appreciate that the results are not very stylistically polished, so would appreciate you taking a look, as your philosophy is Mergism.:)Merkinsmum 22:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I have replied on your talk page. Thanks for the note. Zahakiel 23:50, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I added the D-word in more prominently just for you:)Merkinsmum 00:27, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

## Angel

I understand that sometimes scholar ideas have inconsistencies with Holy Books and religions beliefs but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and scientific and academic ideas should be addressed here and the article should not be like a religious text book instead of a scholary article. What is written in the first paragraph is history of evolution of angelology in holly books and this is what scholars have consensus on it. --behmod talk 15:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I have replied on your talk page. Zahakiel 15:56, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

That's why it is clearly stated that according to secular scholars. This is my point, we should clearly state the ideas of scholars where religion point of view are fairly addressed here. We should at least state POV of both sides, scholars and religious people. I can bring you more reliable academic sources and add them, I respect all faiths but there is a consensus among scholars about what is written in the first paragraph.--behmod talk 16:05, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Replied here. Zahakiel 16:08, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

## my side of the mountain

LOL :) Perry-mankster 09:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

thanks for your hardwork and your naming association addition, about my English choice of translation yes it does seem a little off regarding the association of the two angels but if you see the page on Raphael it is already translated to Israfel in Arabic (and it is not me who added that) so I took it as the most accepted and added it to the Arabic equivalent Habibko 03:29, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

## Closure of AfD for Historical persecution by Christians

Okay, maybe that was premature. My bad. Ten Pound Hammer(Broken clamshellsOtter chirpsReview?) 16:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

## Kudos

You've cleaned up Raziel nicely, which is how I ran across your profile. I'm very impressed with your Profile, with respect to who you are: a programmer, Seventh Day Adventist from Belize presently living in Tampa and recently turned 30. I suspect you make overachievers feel like underachievers. Thanks so much for your efforts; you're appreciated. XSG 01:06, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

## Ramiel

I simply removed the Judeo-Christian section and replaced it with Christian because as far as I know none of the many texts accepted by the Jews speaks of him if you can find a source in the Talmud, Zohar, Rashi's commentary or some other source accepted by Jews please tell me. --Java7837 21:10, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Zahakiel 21:41, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed with comment that you left--Java7837 21:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

## Another One

Ro7P is up for deletion as well, FYI. BOZ (talk) 18:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

## Thank you

Yum, delicious cookie. :) DurovaCharge! 18:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

## ATA

The article looks much better, and the rationale should be sufficient (might also want to put in that the use of the logo does not interfere with the saleability of the ATA's products or anything like that.) David Fuchs (talk) 18:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

## Characters of Firefly

Recently you contibuted to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Derrial Book. There is now an ongoing discussion stemming from that AfD here if you wish to contribute. [[Guest9999 15:09, 1 December 2007 (UTC)]]

## Does the madness ever end?

Even Menzoberranzan is up for deletion now... BOZ 16:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

## Agur

Sez Zahakiel: Now, just about every commentary I've seen about that verse speaks about "Agur the prophet," so technically the list item can be sourced externally, but that would be redundant, not to mention unique among the other entries that are simply relying on the primary source material as indicated in the header section.

To which I reply: Would you care to cite some of said commentary? You may be right, and so am I when I ask to see some source. elpincha (talk) 18:03, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I have replied on your talk page. Zahakiel 18:14, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I stand corrected. Please see Agur per my last revision and see if it's OK now. elpincha (talk) 18:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, yes :) Very good, and specific data. Thank you. I am also posting this on your talk page, in case you haven't checked back here. Zahakiel 17:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I have to say, I was very impressed by your arguments at AfD, particularly WP:Articles_for_deletion/Bruenor_Battlehammer, etc. You've nicely articulated a lot of what I already thought, and I went ahead and appropriated some of your reasoning in WP:Articles_for_deletion/MechQuest. Unsuccessfully appropriated, I should say, as it seems I haven't quite got your touch yet. -_- Orphic (talk) 12:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

## Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church AFD

Hi Zahakiel, I have nominated Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church for deletion due to a lack of notability, and thought I'd let you know as a courtesy measure, since you appear to be a major contributor to it. This is not a personal attack. Here is its entry at Articles for deletion (AFD). Colin MacLaurin (talk) 17:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

## Pilotbob must be bored on Christmas vacation

Rod of Seven Parts is up for AFD again! BOZ (talk) 15:47, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

## Ongoing RPG notability/AfD situation

Hi, Zahakiel. Was wondering if you wouldn't mind reading my take on this situation around here of late, with all the AfD stuff going on in the RPG sector. My user page article is here. Thanks in advance. Compsword01 (talk) 21:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

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I like it :)--Angel David (talk) 22:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

## RfC on the NWT article

Zahakiel: I appreciate your willingness to respond to the RfC on the NWT article. You are correct that the dispute has been going on for an extended period. Any additional assistance you can offer in the way of comments would be most appreciated.--Marvin Shilmer (talk) 15:36, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Zahakiel: To make sure I understand your comments, I have asked a few questions. I hope it is not imposing myself to request a further response from you.--Marvin Shilmer (talk) 21:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Arbitrator Newyorkbrad has requested clarification on whether mediation has been successful. I've asked all of the parties to update WP:RFAR within the next 12-14hrs with a concise update, and to list any outstanding content issues on the talk page. It would be great if you can keep an eye on the talk and arbitration request to help the arbs determine if mediation has been successful. John Vandenberg (talk) 05:37, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification; I'll monitor the relevant pages. Zahakiel 06:54, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

## my RFA

 Thank you! Thank you for your support in my RFA. The final vote count was (73/3/1), so I am now an administrator. Please let me know if at any stage you need help, or if you have comments on how I am doing as an admin. Have a nice day! :) Aleta Sing 17:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

## Thanks

Thank you for closing the Plain hair afd for me. My internet connection died as I was closing it and by the time I had it going again you had taken care of it :) Trusilver 22:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

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## Lathander

Hello,

Lathander has been nominated for deletion. I have noticed you working to help other D&D deity articles get kept, in the past. If there is anything you can do to improve this article so that it may be kept, please do so.  :) BOZ (talk) 06:29, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Here (and also, if possible, here?)  $\sim$ Justmeherenow (  ) 05:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

## E. Shubee

Hi, E. Shubee asked me to drop a word about his user page. Except for extreme situations (gross personal attacks, etc.) we usually give wide latitude in what a user presents in user space. You may disagree with it, but usually it's best to leave that be. Or if you think something merits serious attention, bring it to the attention of the wider community rather than attempting to fix it yourself. Best regards, DurovaCharge! 05:41, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello. I understand that, I was not trying to fix it. I didn't delete anything he wrote, I simply replied to it. If that was out of line, please let me know. Zahakiel 05:43, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

## WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - May 2009

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I would like to use this image for the article I'm editin for Wikia. What is the license for this image. The image is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nehemiah1.jpg. Thank you, Carol 68.173.162.133 (talk) 16:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC) [I am not a regular user of this site so this sinature might not register.]

## WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - July 2009

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## Hi

Hi, Zahakiel,

You're only a few days younger than my wife.

I've been interested in Belize since 1972 when I read about it in National Geographic.

Anyhow, can you look at the discussion page for Education in Belize and tell me which equivalent is correct for Canada/US grades versus Belize' forms and standards for the school system?

Out of curiosity, what are the job prospects for college educated people if they were to move from Canada to Belize? I don't think my wife would be interested in moving, I'm just curious.

Also, and I hope this is not a sensitive question, are interracial marriages common in Belize? (Note that I believe in one race, the human race, but by interracial, I reluctantly mean caucasoid, mongoloid, negroid.) e.g. a white and a Garifuna?

Thanks. GBC (talk) 08:00, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for the note. I've been away from Wikipedia for a while, so I missed it. Sorry about that. I'll take a look at the page you indicate and put my thoughts, but I may have to ask some of my resources back in Belize for the details, as I don't have that info. off the top of my head.
As far as job prospects, I moved to the U.S. to go beyond an Associate's Degree, and I've had to stay here to use it, which should tell you something. But I am certain that's not the case with every field, and the country is catching up. There again, I have been away for 12 years, and can't speak to it very much. I do have some colleagues that teach at the university level there now, so I do have to say I have seen some improvement.
Interracial marriages... I don't know if I would call them "common," but they are absolutely nothing out of the ordinary. The specific examples you choose, white and Garifuna, is probably not very common, but I think that has more to do with location and some to do with culture more than any actual taboos. Interracial marriages might still fetch some glances from the much-older folk, but the very nature of the country, so small and with so many groups, really prevents any real isolationism. Some groups are pretty close-knit, such as the Mennonites and the Chinese (the former more so than the latter) and I think they would attempt to preserve their communities "intact," with varying degrees of success.
I hope this helps.
Zahakiel 15:24, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Zahakiel, just wondered, if you'd had a chance to check and tell me which correspondence applies for Belizean school grade designations versus Canada / USA. ([2]). Since there is now both Junior and Senior Kindergarten in some parts of North America, is that an important factor here? I guess I'd just like to know what the minimum age requirements are for enrolment in Belizean schools. GBC (talk) 13:13, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

## Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Check_Game is currently up for deletion, along with this and 94 other Price is Right games

You are welcome to comment in this deletion discussion. You are being contacted because you participated in the first AFD in 2007. Ikip (talk) 21:46, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

## File:ATA.png deprecated and subject to deletion

Greetings! I see you uploaded File:ATA.png, which was the logo of the Archery Trade Association. They have updated their logo, and there doesn't appear to be a reason to keep the historical logo in the article. Accordingly, the file is tagged for deletion as an orphaned fair-use image. If you think the image should be kept, feel free to add it to the appropriate section of the article or comment at Talk:Archery Trade Association. Thank you. —C.Fred (talk) 22:02, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

No, that's perfectly fine. Thanks for the notice. Zahakiel 17:13, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

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### Help Bring Wikipe-tan "into the fold"

As many of you may know, our unofficial mascot, dear Wikipe-tan, hasn't yet indicated any particular beliefs. However, yes, as we all know, ahem, some people might object to our beloved mascot running around in a French maid outfit. People do talk, you know. ;) If anyone might be able to develop an image of the dear lady in a image more, well, "Christian," I would like to see perhaps a vote for next month as to which, if any, image of the dear girl we might make our own unofficial mascot. Please post your images here.

By John Carter

### Christianity in other wikis

As many of you might now, there are a large number of other Wikimedia Foundation projects, including WikiSource, Wiktionary, Wikibooks, WikiQuote, and others. I certainly believe that Wikibooks and Wikiquote might be among the more directly relevant sister projects. If any of you can think of any particular efforts in these other projects which you think would benefit from more input, please let us know here, so we can help spread the word around.

By John Carter

### Spotlight on the Outreach department

Ichthus will spotlight a different subproject or workgroup of WikiProject Christianity. This edition will spotlight on our vital Outreach department. This comparatively small, but vital, project unit is dedicated to welcoming new editors to Wikipedia and the Christianity related content, and to providing information to the various project members, in forms like this newsletter.

The scope of articles with which this group deals is truly enormous, and, given the wide variety of material with which we deal, we would very much welcome the input of more individuals, particularly individuals who are particularly knowledgeable of the less well-known and less frequently monitored articles related to Christianity.

Speaking personally, I would be very, very gratified if we were to have this become a very, very large and active unit, with members from the broad spectrum of Christian beliefs, practices, and groups. The broader the spectrum and areas of expertise of members we have, the better we will be able to help manage the content. Please consider whether you believe you might be able to contribute in this vital area.

By John Carter

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## Ichthus: June 2012

 ICHTHUS June 2012

### Membership report

The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 331 active members. We would like to welcome User:Sanju87, User:Psalm84, User:Zegron, User:Jargon777, User:Calu2000, User:Gilderien, User:Ronallenus, Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

### From the Editor

Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know what you think of the new departments, and if there are any other suggestions for departments you would like to see. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

### Church of the month

by Berthold Werner
Saint Catherine's Monastery, Mount Sinai

### Vote for the project mascot

We had last month asked our members to help "bring into the fold" Wikipe-tan as the project's mascot. Voting will take place this month for which image we should adopt at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach/Wikipe-tan. Please take a moment to review the images and vote for whichever is your favorite, or, if you so prefer, suggest an additional one.

By John Carter

### DYK

• ...that Anna of Kashin, a Russian medieval princess, was twice canonized as a holy protectress of women who suffer the loss of relatives?

### Calendar

Thie coming month includes days dedicated to the honor of Beheading of John the Baptist, Saints Peter and Paul, the Nativity of John the Baptist, and Saint Barnabas.

### Featured content and GA report

Alec Douglas-Home recently achieved FA status. This picture, in the Church of the Month section, was recently promoted to Featured Picture status. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

### Wikimedia Foundation report

Wikisource currently has many old texts available, most of them in the public domain. This is a potentially very valuable source for several things, including for instance links to Biblical verses, because we know that it will, basically, be around as long as we are.

By user:John Carter with inspiration from History2007

### Christian art

This section would include a rather large image of a specific work of art, with a link to the most directly relevant article.

Suggestion: Resurrection of Christ, an English 15th century Nottingham alabaster. Groups of painted relief panels were sold via dealers to churches on a budget , who had wood frameworks made to hold them locally. From a huge new donation of images from the Walters Art Museum to Commons, see

By Johnbod

### Spotlight

A new WikiProject relating directly to Christian history is being developed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christian history. Also, a group specifically devoted to the Mennonites and other Anabaptists is now up and running at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Anabaptist work group. Anyone interested in assisting with the development of these groups and topics is more than welcome to do so.

By John Carter

### I believe

... in the statements contained in the Nicene Creed. I believe that the Bible is one of the two defining bases for belief. The other is the Sacred tradition, which provides us with means of interpreting the Scriptures, as well as some teachings which have been handed on by God outside of the scriptures. I believe that the Magisterium has been empowered to fill this interpretative function. I believe that clerical celibacy is a rule that should generally be followed. I am a member of the Catholic Church.

By John Carter

### Help requests

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## Ichthus: July 2012

 ICHTHUS July 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 336 active members. We would like to welcome User:Emilymadcat, User:Toa Nidhiki05, User:DonutGuy, and User:RCNesland, Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know what you think of the new departments, and if there are any other suggestions for departments you would like to see. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

Church of the month

by User:JaGa
Mission Santa Clara de Asis

Vote for the project mascot
We had last month asked our members to help "bring into the fold" Wikipe-tan as the project's mascot. Voting will take place this month for which image we should adopt at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach/Wikipe-tan. Please take a moment to review the images and vote for whichever is your favorite, or, if you so prefer, suggest an additional one.

By John Carter

Calendar
Thie coming month (mid-July through mid-September) includes days dedicated to the honor of Mary Magdalene, James, son of Zebedee, Ignatius Loyola, Saint Dominic, Joseph of Arimathea, and the Transfiguration of Jesus.

Featured content and GA report
Grade I listed churches in Cheshire was recently promoted to Featured List status. This picture was recently promoted to Featured Picture status. Bartolome de las Casas and Edmund the Martyr were promoted to GA level this past month. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

Wikimedia Foundation report

Wikibooks welcomes the development of textbooks of all kinds, children's books, recipes, and other material. It currently has just under 2500 books, including several Wikijunior books for the 12 and under population. There is, at present, not even a book on Christianity. Anyone interested in helping develop such a textbook is more than welcome to do so.

By John Carter

Christian art

By John Carter

Spotlight
A new WikiProject relating directly to Christian history is being developed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christian history. Anyone interested in assisting with the development of these groups and topics is more than welcome to do so.

By John Carter

I believe
... in the tradition of Thomas the Apostle, Mar Addai, and Saint Bartholomew. I believe that Jesus had two essences (or natures), human and divine, unmingled, that are everlastingly united in one personality. I am a member of the Assyrian Church of the East.

By John Carter

Help requests
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

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## WikiProject Christianity August 2012 newsletter

 ICHTHUS August 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 341 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:David_FLXD, User:Alexsbecker, User:Penguin 236, User:Gugi001, User:John D. Rockerduck, and User:Margaret9mary. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

By John Carter

Church of the month

by User:Diliff
Frauenkirche (Church of Our Blessed Lady) in Munich, taken from the tower of St. Peter's Church

Contest of the month
We currently have a remarkable lack of Wikipedia:Wikipedia-Books. Right now, Category:Wikipedia books on Christianity contains only 12 books. We certainly could have at least one book on each major grouping within Christianity. One of the challenges for this month, then, is working to put together books on relevant topics. For this month, one contest is for editors to assemble the basic Wikipedia books for each of the main topics of the extant related projects. When finished, they should their creation of the books at the main Christianity noticeboard, and at the end of the month the project will award barnstars to those who have made a significant efforts in developing this underdeveloped content.

Also this month, we are going to have have a challenge to create and improve some of our more important missing or low-quality articles. As biographies are often a bit easier, this month we are choosing two biographies: Karl Behm, which has yet to be started, and the currently Stub-class article Nerses IV the Gracious. A barnstar will be awarded to any editor who can get these articles up to DYK quality level and ultimately selected for the DYK section of the main page.

Calendar
Thie coming month (mid-August through mid-September) includes feasts dedicated to the honor of Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Bartholomew the Apostle, Nativity of Mary, and the Exaltation of the Cross.

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, William de Chesney (sheriff), Knights of Columbus, and Angelus Silesius were promoted to GA level. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

Wikimedia Foundation report

Wikinews is our sister site for developing news stories. Several events relating to Christianity, like the installation of bishops for instance, do not necessarily merit extensive coverage in wikipedia encyclopedic articles, but can and easily could be covered at greater length in a news article format. Given the number of significant news events that relate to religion, including claims of miracles, assignment of bishops and other religious leaders, church conferences, and other events, this site provides an excellent opportunity to provide in-depth coverage of current events at greater length than wikipedia.

Christian art

Christ Crucified by Diego Velazquez.

Spotlight

One of our newer editors, User:David_FLXD, has recently gone through much of our content related to Methodism and assessed it. We are very grateful for his efforts, and that of all the editors who have had a role in developing that content. We have every reason to believe that this will make it significantly easier for the Methodism work group to create and develop content relevant to Methodism. To help that along, we certainly encourage everyone to do what they can to help David and the other Methodism editors to bring the content relevant to their tradition to the highest possible level of quality.

I believe
... in the Holy Trinity, the sacraments of Baptism and Holy Communion, the Arminian conception of free will through God's prevenient grace, and the regular renewal of the individual's covenant with God. I am a Methodist.

Help requests
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

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## WikiProject Christianity September 2012 newsletter

 ICHTHUS September 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 344 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:Floating Boat, User:Dewey420, and User:Jpacobb. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

By John Carter

Church of the month

by User:Diliff
The Chapel of Keble College, Oxford

Contest of the month
We currently have a remarkable lack of Wikipedia:Wikipedia-Books. Right now, Category:Wikipedia books on Christianity contains only 12 books. We certainly could have at least one book on each major grouping within Christianity. One of the challenges for this month, then, is working to put together books on relevant topics. For this month, one contest is for editors to assemble the basic Wikipedia books for each of the main topics of the extant related projects. When finished, they should their creation of the books at the main Christianity noticeboard, and at the end of the month the project will award barnstars to those who have made a significant efforts in developing this underdeveloped content.

Also this month, we are going to have have a challenge to create and improve some of our more important missing or low-quality articles. Last month's challenge articles were Karl Beth and Nerses IV the Gracious. Both articles are currently candidates for the DYK section of the main page. This month's challenge articles are the Stub-class article James Hastings and the not yet started Rudolf Sohm, A barnstar will be awarded to any editor who can get these articles up to DYK quality level and ultimately selected for the DYK section of the main page.

Calendar
Thie coming month (mid-September through mid-October) includes feasts dedicated to the honor of the Martyrs of Korea, Saint Matthew, Vincent de Paul, Michaelmas, Saint Jerome, Theresa of Lisieux, the Feast of the Guardian Angels, Francis of Assisi, Our Lady of the Rosary, and Teresa of Avila.

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, Albertus Soegijapranata, and Reginald Heber were promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Greater Manchester was promoted to Featured List, and Jackie Hudson, Joyce Kilmer, Divine command theory, Bosa of York and Argument from morality were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include Church of Saint Benoit, Istanbul, All Saints Church, Hollingbourne, Neustädter Kirche, Hannover, St Mary's Church, Kirkby Lonsdale, Albert Ndongmo, If We Are the Body, List of places of worship in Tonbridge and Malling, Kulubnarti church, All Saints Church, Ulcombe, Val-Saint-Lambert Abbey, Igny Abbey, Church of the Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel, Brăila, Places of Worship Registration Act 1855, Collegiate Church of San Gimignano, and St Matthew's Church, Burnley. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Wikimedia Foundation report

As some of you may have seen, the Simple English Wikipedia has been experiencing some difficulties lately. This particular entity could be of great value to several individuals who are trying to learn English. As some of you who do speak foreign languages know, one of the most easily available, and, in general, useful learning aids for people is a text they know already, which allows them to focus on the specific words of the new language. Various recorded readings and translations of the Bible are among the best examples of this. Any efforts to try to enhance this vital means of informing a large segment of our readership is more than welcome. People interested in helping develop it are encouraged to leave a note regarding their specific articles of interest at the Christianity noticeboard. It would be wonderful if we could report some significant contributions to this sister site next month. And, of course, if we do have something to report, those involved would receive our greatest thanks.

Christian art

The Guardian Angel by Pietro da Cortona.

Spotlight

WikiProject Calvinism is one of our more important subprojects. It is specifically devoted to developing content relating to the Calvinist tradition, and the primary point for development of content relating to the Pilgrims, Presbyterians, Reformed churches, Congregational church, Reformed Baptists, and Low church. We definitely encourage everyone to do what they can to help this project develop the content relating to this extremely important Christian tradition.

I believe
... that human nature is insufficient for salvation, and the grace of God is required to do so. I believe that God has preordained who will and will not achieve salvation. I believe that Jesus's atonement was sufficient for the purposes for which it was done. I believe that God's grace is of such power that it can overcome any person's resistance. I believe that those whom God has chosen for salvation will, by the undeniable power of God, persevere in God's grace. I am a Calvinist.

Help requests
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## WikiProject Christianity October 2012 newsletter

 ICHTHUS September 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 347 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:Dplcrnj, User:Danmuz, User:Zigzig20s, and User:Jasonasosa. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

By John Carter

Church of the month

by User:Taxiarchos228, recently promoted to Featured Image
St. Paul's Church, Basel

Contest of the month
For the upcoming month, the contest will be to develop content related to the Christmas season, including Advent and other related topics. Please feel free to see and take part in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Contest of the month - Advent/Christmas content.

One of last month's challenge articles, Rudolf Sohm, has been substantially developed by User:Jack1956 and User:StAnselm. Our deepest thanks to both of them!!

Calendar
Thie coming month (mid-October through mid-November) includes All Saints' Day and All Souls' Day and major commemorations dedicated to the honor of the Ignatius of Antioch, Luke the Evangelist, Simon the Canaanite, Saint Jude, the dedication of the Lateran Basilica, the beginning of the Nativity Fast, James of Jerusalem, Reformation Day, and others.

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, Augustinian theodicy by User:ItsZippy was promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Merseyside by User:Peter I. Vardy was promoted to Featured List. The images in the Church of the Month and Christian art sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status. John Wheelwright by User:Sarnold17, Christmas Party (The Office) by User:Gen. Quon and If We Are the Body by User:Toa Nidhiki05, were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include Cathedral of Saint Demetrius, Craiova, by User:Biruitorul, Nerses IV the Gracious by User:John Carter, Church of St Candida and Holy Cross by User:BarretB, St Laurence's Church, Morland by User:Peter I. Vardy, St Mary's Church, Longfleet by User:Bermicourt, Chor von St. Bonifatius by User:Gerda Arendt, St Andrew's Church, Penrith by User:Peter I. Vardy, Holy Rosary Cathedral (Vancouver) by User:Bloom6132, Sacred Heart Cathedral (Kamloops) by User:Bloom6132, St Columba's Church, Warcop by User:Peter I. Vardy, St Oswald's Church, Ravenstonedale by User:Peter I. Vardy, and W. E. Biederwolf by User:John Foxe. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

Portrait of John Henry Newman by Sir John Everett Millais.
This image was promoted this past month to FM by the work of User:Spongie555. Thank you, Spongie!

Spotlight

WikiProject Holidays/Christmas task force is the group whose purpose is to help develop the content related to the Christmas season, including Advent, New Year's, and related holidays. As many of us know, in several parts of the world, including the United States, the Christmas season is not only the time of one of the greatest holidays of the Christian liturgical year, but it is also the "make or break" time for many retailers, whose profitability for the year often depends on their success in this time of the giving of sometimes significantly expensive gifts. In other parts of the world, the winter solstice period and sometimes specifically Christmas itself means something that might surprise many Christians, like the Christmas in Japan, where Christmas is one of the times hotels receive the greatest number of, often unmarried, couples staying there for the night. The solstice season is also significant to several other religions. Many of these days are also legal holidays in several places. In Belarus, for instance, both the Western and Eastern Christmas commemorations are legal holidays. We would certainly welcome the members of this project to donate some of their time and talents in the upcoming months to improving this significant content.

Help requests
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

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## WikiProject Christianity October 2012 newsletter

 ICHTHUS November 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 349 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:Hayayika and User:Pikachu Bros.. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

By John Carter

Church of the month

Recently promoted to Featured Image. Great work!

Contest of the month
For the upcoming month, the contest will continue with the Christmas theme, including Advent and other related topics. Please feel free to see and take part in discussion at the Christianity noticeboard.

Calendar
This coming month (mid-November through mid-December) includes the Advent season. Other major feasts are those of Margaret of Scotland, Matthew the Evangelist, Hilda of Whitby, Elizabeth of Hungary, Edmund the Martyr, the Presentation of Mary, Saint Cecilia, Clement of Rome, Catherine of Alexandria, Andrew the Apostle, Francis Xavier, Saint Barbara, John Damascene, Nicholas of Myra, Saint Ambrose of Milan, Feast of the Immaculate Conception, Our Lady of Guadalupe, Lucy of Syracuse, and others.

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, Crucifixion and Last Judgement diptych by, among others, User:Truthkeeper88, User:Ceoil, and User:Kafka Liz and Mitt Romney by User:Wasted Time R were promoted to FA. List of 2000s Christian Songs number ones by User:Toa Nidhiki05 was promoted to Featured List. The two images in the Church of the Month and Christian art sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status, as were these two images of Michelangelo's Pieta and of Giovanni Bellini's Saint Francis in the Desert . Derek Webb by User: Pepsi2786 and others, and Scipione Piattoli by User:Piotrus were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include Archdiocese of Râmnic, by User:Biruitorul, Diocese of Caransebeş by User:Biruitorul, Wythburn Church by User:Peter I. Vardy, St. Gumbertus, Ansbach by User:Gerda Arendt, User:Dr. Blofeld, and User:Nvvchar collectively, St. Johannis, Ansbach by User:Gerda Arendt, User:Dr. Blofeld, and User:Nvvchar collectively, Nikollë Bojaxhiu by User:ZjarriRrethues, All Saints Church, Lydd by User:Dr. Blofeld, User:Rosiestep, User:Gilderien, and User:Ipigott collectively, St Mary's Church, Acton Burnell by User:Peter I. Vardy, St Eata's Church, Atcham by User:Peter I. Vardy, Nativity of St. John the Baptist Church, Piatra Neamț by User:Biruitorul, Anna Schäffer by User:Shii, List of Archbishops of Vancouver by User: Bloom6132, James Francis Carney by User:Bloom6132, St Luke's Church, Chelsea by User:PKM and User:Johnbod, Gregory Orologas by User:Alexikoua, Ambrosios Pleianthidis by User:Alexikoua, and St Giles' Church, Barrow, by User:Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

Three scenes of the legend of the Miraculous Sacrament, in which communion wafers were reported to bleed after being stabbed, in the St. Michael and St. Gudula Cathedral, Brussels by Jean-Baptiste Capronnier.
This image was promoted this past month to FM by the work of User:Alvesgaspar. Thank you, Alvesgaspar!

Spotlight

The core topics work group is the group whose specific purpose is to help identify and develop those articles which are of greatest importance to an overall understanding of the broad subject of Christianity, based on what is included in the core topics list. These articles include some of specific churches and individuals, history, philosophical and theological matters, and more. We have had some recent discussion regarding which articles should be included in this list, and it probably makes sense to revisit the selections, and try to figure out how best to work to make them high quality articles. Discussion is beginning at WT:X regarding these matters, and all input is welcome.

Help requests
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## WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - December 2012

 ICHTHUS December 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 350 active members. We would like to welcome our newest member, User:Harishrawat11. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

By John Carter

Church of the month

This image of The Baptistry of Saint John in Pisa by User:NotFromUtrecht

was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!

Contest of the month
As I imagine many of our editors will be editing at a greatly reduced level for the next few weeks, what with the Christmas and New Year's holidays coming, there is no specific content-related contest this month. The contest, if anything, is to make the most of the season, in whatever way, if any, you deem appropriate.

Calendar
This coming month (mid-December through mid-January) includes the Advent season, and one of the two greatest holidays of the Christian year, Christmas. Other major feasts in the next month include those of the Feast of the Epiphany, Baptism of the Lord, Saint Stephen, Thomas the Apostle, Holy Innocents, John the Evangelist, Gregory of Nazianzus, Basil the Great, Saint Genevieve, Elizabeth Ann Seton, and Saint Sava.

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, Anne Hutchinson nominated by User:Sarnold17 was promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Lancashire by User:Peter I. Vardy was promoted to Featured List. The image in the Church of the Month and Christian art sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status. Come to the Well by User:Toa Nidhiki05 and others, and Dwight Christmas by User:Gen. Quon and others were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include King's Chapel, Gibraltar, by User:Prioryman, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Albany, New York) by User:Daniel Case, Tingsted Church by User:Ipigott and User:Rosiestep, St. Mary's Church (Albany, New York) by User:Daniel Case, Stubbekøbing Church by User:Ipigott and User:Rosiestep, Notre Dame Cathedral (Phnom Penh) by User:Bloom6132, and St. James' Church, Cardington by User:Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

The nave of the Parish Church of Urtijëi. This image was created by User:Moroderen. Thank you, Moroderen!

Spotlight

In the spirit of Christmas, the spotlight for the coming month might actually best be on those people closest to you. We know that a lot of our editors here are associated in some way or another with schools, and many if not most of them are going on rather extended breaks for the holidays. This can give some of us a chance to meet up with old friends, spend time with our families and those close to us, and, in a sense, "recharge" for the new year. So, for all of you who are in some way part of that group, we wish you the very best of holidays. We hope you all return to editing after the holidays with your spirits lifted and with your energies at peak level. There are some small matters in development here as well, and it is our hope that some of them will be ready come the next newsletter. But, until then, we wish you all the happiest and holiest (if appropriate) holidays.

Help requests
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## WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - January 2013

 ICHTHUS January 2013

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 354 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Alliereborn, Iselilja, Peterkp, and Sosthenes12. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

By John Carter

Church of the month

was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!

Contest of the month
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Future contests, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

By John Carter

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, the image in the "Church of the Month" section of this newsletter was promoted to Featured Image status.

Darzu ist erschienen der Sohn Gottes, BWV 40 by Gerda Arendt and others, Teuruarii IV by Lemurbaby, KAVEBEAR and others, and Peace on Earth (Casting Crowns album) by Toa Nidhiki05 and others, were all promoted to GA status.

Also this past month, the DYKs on the main page included St James' Church, Cardington by Peter I. Vardy, Bishop's Palace, Kraków by Poeticbent, Kippinge Church by Ipigott and Rosiestep, Trinitatis Church, also by Ipigott and Rosiestep, Steindamm Church by Olessi, St Laurence's Church, Church Stretton by Peter I. Vardy, Monastery of the Holy Trinity, Meteora, by Peter I. Vardy, Sonrise Church, by Aboutmovies, St. Peter's Episcopal Church (Albany, New York), by Daniel Case, All Saints Church, Claverley, by Peter I. Vardy, and Church of the Holy Virgin Mary of Lourdes, by Poeticbent. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

The Tower of Babel by Pieter Bruegel the Elder
This image was created by User:Dcoetzee. Thank you, Dcoetzee!

Spotlight

The Spotlight this month turns to the the Syriac Christianity work group. The scope of this project includes the various traditions of Syriac Christianity, including the Assyrian Church of the East, Ancient Church of the East, Church of the East, Syriac Orthodox Church, Chaldean Catholic Church, Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church, Melkite Greek Catholic Church, Syriac Catholic Church, Syro-Malankara Catholic Church, and Saint Thomas Christians. One of these groups, the Assyrian Church of the East, is considered by scholars to have probably been, for several hundred years, the largest Christian grouping in the planet, with its numerous members in Central Asia and Eastern Asia. Numerous texts, traditions, and practices unique to these groups exist, including the Jesus Sutras and the belief of the Assyrian Church of the East that the bread they use in the preparation of their Eucharist uses the same basic yeast as that used in the bread of the Last Supper itself. Sadly, given the linguistic barriers to much of the content relative to these groups, and the comparative lack of notoriety they have in the Western world, much of this content does receive less attenion, and thus less development, than much other content. There is a large amount of extremely valuable historical material here still waiting to be adequately developed by editors with an interest in the topic, and I personally very much hope that we can draw more attention to these topics, and the content related to them.

By John Carter

Calendar
This coming month (mid-January through mid-February) includes The Presentation of Christ in the Temple or Candlemas and the Conversion of Paul. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Saint Agnes, Saint Francis de Sales, Saints Timothy and Titus, Thomas Aquinas, John Bosco, Saint Agatha, Paul Miki, [{Saint Scholastica]], and Saint Anskar.

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## WikiProject Christianity Newsletter April 2013

 ICHTHUS April 2013

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 357 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Thomas Cranmer, Mr.Oglesby, and Sneha Priscilla. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor

We apologise for the hiatus in the publication of this newsletter due to unforseen circumstances leading to the wikibreak of John Carter, and so I have taken over as acting editor, and have taken this opportunity to move the publication date to the start of each month as planned, to better reflect on the previous month and look ahead to the next. This issue covers the period of time from mid-January to the end of March.

Since the last issue we have seen the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI and the election of Pope Francis. This has received much coverage both in the world media and on Wikipedia. While there is still much work to do, several quality articles have been written and the editors involved are thanked for their efforts.

This month we look ahead to Easter and the celebration of God's love for mankind through the crucifixion and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

By Gilderien

Church of the month

This image of the Church of Saint Ildefonso, Portugal by Poco a poco was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!

Contest of the month
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Future contests, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

By John Carter

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report;

Grade I listed churches in Cumbria was promoted to Featured List status, thanks to Peter I. Vardy, and the image above of the Church of Saint Ildefonso was promoted to featured picture status.

Martin Luther King, Jr., by Khazar2, was promoted to GA status, as well Third Epistle of John by Cerebellum.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included St Mary's Church, Cleobury Mortimer by Peter I. Vardy; Marion Irvine by Giants2008; Margaret McKenna by Guerillero; Archdiocesan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity by Epeefleche; St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood by Peter I. Vardy; Vester Egesborg Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; Undløse Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St Martin's Church, Næstved by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St. Peter, Syburg by Gerda Arendt and Dr. Blofeld; Østre Porsgrunn Church by Strachkvas; Church of Our Saviour (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) by Nyttend; Dami Mission by Freikorp; Mechanicsburg Baptist Church by Nyttend; Acheiropoietos Monastery, by Proudbolsahye; T. Lawrason Riggs, by Gareth E Kegg; McColley's Chapel, by Mangoe; Oświęcim Chapel, by BurgererSF; Second Baptist Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio), by Nyttend; Church of the Holy Ghost, Tallinn, by Yakikaki; Old Stone Congregational Church, by Orladyl Heath Chapel, by Peter I. Vardy; St. Joseph's Church, Beijing, by Bloom6132; Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton, by Rodw; and St. Michael's Catholic Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) also by Nyttend. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

Complete recording

Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22, a cantata by the German composer J.S. Bach, was promoted to GA this month and was written by Gerda Arendt. Many thanks for her continuing work in the area of early 18th Century Church music.

Spotlight

The Spotlight this month turns to the the Jesus work group. The scope of this project includes the life and teachings of the central figure of Christianity, Jesus Christ and aims to write about them in a non-denominational encylopædic style. Top-priority articles include Jesus, Christ, Resurrection of Jesus, and Holy Grail, whereas High-priority articles include Aramaic Language, a former FA, as well as Sermon on the Mount, Lamb of God, and Passion (Christianity). The workgroup has also published two books, covering Christ's final days and the Parables of Jesus. The workgroup has two GAs, Nativity scene, and Jesus in Islam, but unfortunately the flagship article, Jesus was delisted in 2009. It is also responsible for three WP:1.0 articles, and the WikiWork of the project is 4.56, which indicates the "average" article is between Start and C class.

By Gilderien

Calendar
This coming month (end-March through end-April) includes Easter Sunday in Western Christianity and both Lazarus Saturday and Palm Sunday for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Saint George, Saint Mark the Evangelist, Saint Stanislaus, James, son of Zebedee, and Benedict the Moor.

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## WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (May 2013)

 ICHTHUS May 2013

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 363 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Pleonic, MJWilliams1998, Iloilo Wanderer, Jkadavoor, Sir Ian and McBenjamin. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor

This month we hear the news that the Bible is to be made into a film after outstanding success of a biblical miniseries on the History Channel, and we have seen the release of Iraqi Pastor Ali Hamzah from his confinement in Iraq.

After last month's spotlight on the Jesus work group, the flagship article, Jesus, was nominated for Good Article status after much work from FutureTrillionaire and History2007, and provisionally passed by the reviewer, although they have requested a second opinion. Our many thanks for the hard work that has gone into restoring this article to a quality piece of work.

This month the second largest denomination of Christianity, the Eastern Orthodox Church, celebrates Easter and the death and resurrection of the Son of God Jesus Christ.

By Gilderien

Church of the month

Wells Cathedral was this month promoted to GA status. Rodw has appealed for any help project members can give to improve this article for a FA nomination.

Contest of the month
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. By John Carter

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report;

Featured report; Madonna in the Church, by Ceoil, Truthkeeper88, and Johnbod was promoted to Featured Article status. Crucifixion and Last Judgement was promoted to featured picture status, after nomination by Crisco 1492.

Wells Cathedral, by Rodw, Robert of Ghent, by User:Ealdgyth, Christianity in Medieval Scotland, by Sabrebd, and Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, also by Sabrebd were promoted to GA status.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included Lectionary 311, by Leszek Jańczuk; Herr Christ, der einig Gotts Sohn, by Gerda Arendt; Whalsay Parish Church, by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, Dr. Blofeld; Interpretatio Christiana, by Altenmann; First Congregational Church, Salt Lake City, by Orlady; Church of King Charles the Martyr, Royal Tunbridge Wells, by The C of E; First Church in Albany (Reformed), by Daniel Case; Pope Anastasius II, by AbstractIllusions; Iglesia de Nuestra Señora de la Palma, by Dr. Blofeld, Ipigott, Rosiestep; Colan Church, by Rosiestep, Nvvchar, Ipigott; Notre Dame Cathedral, Papeete, Bloom6132, Church of St. Wenceslaus (New Prague, Minnesota), by Elkman; St. Joseph Catholic Church (San Antonio, Texas), by Gilliam; Doubting Thomas, by Johnbod; Robert of Ghent, by Ealdgyth; and Holy Trinity Church, Holdgate, by Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

This depiction of the Crucifixion and Last Judgement was painted by Dutch artist Jan van Eyck and promoted to Featured Picture this month.

Spotlight

SPOTLIGHT

This month, we turn our attention to the Encyclopedic articles sub-group, which aims to provide "a collection point for lists of articles contained in other reference sources relating to Christianity, which could serve as a basis for developing our own content". Created by John Carter, it is primarily a list of links, red or otherwise, for subjects which have an article in the reference works listed therein. This serves as a very useful list if any project members are "stuck for what to do" and there remains lots of potential for articles developed from this list.

By Gilderien

Calendar
This coming month (end-April through end-May) includes Easter Sunday for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Matthias the Apostle, The Venerable Bede, and Empress Helena.

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## WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (June 2013)

 ICHTHUS June 2013

From the Editor

Since its formation in 2006, WikiProject Christianity has come a long way. A significant number of new articles have appeared on a wide range of topics, and the quality of some key articles has seen dramatic improvement. Yet, by the very nature of the open, crowd-sourced development environment in which we operate, as the number of pages in the project has increased at times our attention has been naturally diluted. We should of course strive for quality everywhere, but we should remember that this newsletter is called Ichthus.

Starting this month we will start a "Focus on" series, where we will try to "bring Jesus back" and focus on him. For five consecutive issues we will focus on one aspect of the study of Jesus. The goal of this series is to inform our members of what the project contains and highlight those articles which have reached quality and stability.

From this month until November we will focus on the historical Jesus, a topic which has been the subject of much discussion on article talk pages, as well as the general media. This is an important topic, and we have a good set of well referenced articles on that now. Then, starting in December we will focus on Christ, and the spiritual and theological elements that the title entails. Following that the review of the life and ministry of Jesus in the New Testament, his miracles, and parables will take place. And each month the "Bookshelf" will mention a book that fits the theme of the month.

We hope you will enjoy this journey as we present a new aspect of Jesus each month. And given that as the number of project pages increases, the ratio of those watching the pages declines, we hope that more of you will watch some of these central pages that help define this project.

Church of the month

The current building of All Saints' Church, Winthorpe in Nottinghamshire, England which was completed in 1888, is at least the third version of the church, which dates back to at least the early 13th century.

Good articles and DYKs
The article Jesus received the good article mark last month, as did Cleeve Abbey. A number of churches were featured on the main page in the DYK section in May, namely St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St Patrick's Liverpool, Vlah Church, Freerslev Church, Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, Mata-Utu, St. Michael's Cathedral (Sitka, Alaska), St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St. Pierre Cathedral, Saint-Pierre, Mont Saint Michel Abbey, St Patrick's Church, Liverpool, Vlah Church, St Catherine of Siena Church, Cocking, Catedral Nuestra Señora de La Asunción, Roholte Church, Notre Dame Cathedral, Taiohae, Leicester Abbey, Caracas Cathedral, Caldey Abbey, King's Mead Priory, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Hong Kong) andAll Saints' Church, Winthorpe, as well as the hymn What Wondrous Love Is This.

Focus on...

THE
HISTORICAL JESUS

Did Jesus exist? Did he walk the streets of Jerusalem? The Historicity of Jesus article answers these questions with a firm affirmative. Historicity does not discuss if Jesus walked on water, but if he walked at all. The issue was the subject of scholarly debate before the end of last century, but the academic debate is almost over now. As the article discusses, virtually all academic opposition to the existence of Jesus has evaporated away now and scholars see it as a concluded issue. The discussion is now just among mostly self-published non-academics.

In 2011 John Dickson tweeted that if anyone finds a professor of history who denies that Jesus lived,he would eat a page of his Bible (Matthew 1 he said). Dickson's Bible is still safe.

The article discusses the ancient sources that relate to Jesus and how they fit together to establish that he existed. The evidence for Jesus is not just based on the Christian gospels, but by inter-relating them with non-Christian sources, and the fact that they all "fit together". Moreover, the existence of Jesus is not supported just by Christian scholars and in recent years the detailed knowledge of Jewish scholars and their discoveries (e.g. Shlomo Pines' discovery of the Syriac Josephus) has proven highly beneficial. We encourage you to read and follow the article, for the existence of Jesus is central to the existence of Christianity.

From the bookshelf

Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence by Robert Van Voorst, 2000 ISBN 0-8028-4368-9

Just a few years after its publication, Van Voorst's book has become the standard comprehensive text for the discussion of ancient sources that relate to Jesus and his historicity. This detailed yet really readable book has received wide ranging endorsements - Blomberg and Harris separately referring to it as the most comprehensive treatment of the subject.

Did you know...

A Handel manuscript
• ... that Johann Sebastian Bach wrote the initials "S. D. G.", for Soli Deo Gloria, at the beginning and end of all his church compositions to give God credit for the work, and that Handel at times did the same?

Calendar
The coming month includes days dedicated to the honor of Beheading of John the Baptist, Saints Peter and Paul, the Nativity of John the Baptist, and Saint Barnabas.

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## WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (July 2013)

 ICHTHUS July 2013

From the Editor

Welcome to the July 2013 issue of Ichthus. We focus on the chronology of Jesus, as well as looking back at the project content improved over the last month.

WP:X has gained another Featured Article, Gospel of the Ebionites, by Ignocrates. The Gospel of the Ebionites is the name scholars give to an apocryphal gospel that supposedly belonged to a sect known as the Ebionites. It consists of seven short quotations discovered in a heresiology known as the Panarion, written by Epiphanius of Salamis, and its original title remains unknown. The text is a gospel harmony composed in Greek, and is believed to have been written during the middle of the 2nd century.

St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn was promoted to Good Article status, as was two other welsh churches, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, and St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch.

Church of the month

St. Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery is part of Saint Sophia's Cathedral, Kiev in Ukraine. It is a functioning monastery that dates back to the Middle Ages.

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 367 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Newchildrenofthealmighty, Evenssteven, Kerna96, and FutureTrillionaire. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

Focus on...

THE
HISTORICAL JESUS

When did Jesus live? When did he die? How do we know? We do, in fact, have excellent information about the time intervals for the life and death of Jesus. As in other people who lived and died in the first century, this gives an approximate date range, but still, give or take 3-4 years and we have pretty good estimates confirmed by a number of really diverse sources, ranging from inscriptions in Delphi to Roman and Jewish sources. The Chronology of Jesus article discusses how a wide variety of Christian, Jewish and Roman sources are used to establish the time-frame for the life and death of Jesus.

And all of his data fits together. For instance, the chronology of Paul had been discussed based on the Book of Acts long ago, then the Delphi Inscription is found in the 20th century in the Temple of Apollo. And guess what.. it confirms it and totally dates his trial in Corinth, which helps reaffirm the date of the crucifixion of Jesus. The same date range is independently estimated from the writings of Josephus on the Baptist's death. And it fits Isaac Newton's astronomical models for the crucifixion date as well as the independent lunar calculations of Humphreys. As that article shows, all these dates just fit together.

From the bookshelf

Chronos, kairos, Christos: nativity and chronological studies edited by J. Vardaman, E. M. Yamauchi 1989 ISBN 0-931464-50-1

This two volume book (with a very apt title) is gem-filled with scholarly research. Paul Maier's article in the first volume is a classic study on the chronology of Jesus and provides a useful summary of a number of issues.

Did you know...

Calendar
This month (July) contains the feast days of Mary Magdalene, and James, son of Zebedee.

Help requests
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## August 2013 WikiProject Christianity Newsletter

 ICHTHUS August 2013

From the Editor

Welcome to the August 2013 issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter. We focus on the historical Jesus and reflect on the last month.

The project has another featured picture, The ruins of Holyrood Chapel, a digitisation of an oil-on-canvas painting. Our top-importance article, Jesus, has been nominated for Featured Article status, the discussion can be seen here; Knights of Colombus has also been nominated as a FAC.

Ecgbert (bishop) and Church architecture in Scotland have both this month achieved Good Article status.

Our project had several of its articles featured in the main page DYK section, including Hinckley Priory, Little Chapel, St Peter's Church, Ropsley, Chip Ingram, St John the Evangelist's Church, Corby Glen, Great George Street Congregational Church, St Mary's Church, Walton-on-the-Hill and Bunge church.

Our thanks go to all of those who have worked to achieve these article milestones.

Church of the month

This image, of Maillezais Cathedral and created by Selbymay was this month promoted to featured picture status.

Membership report
We would like to welcome our newest members, Thechristophermorris, Psmidi and Jchthys. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

Focus on...

THE
HISTORICAL JESUS

What was Jesus like? What did he preach? Did he claim to be the Messiah? Did he predict an apocalypse? What can we know about him outside a religious context? The Historical Jesus article discusses what can be known about Jesus with various degrees of probability. While scholars agree on the over all flow and outline of Jesus' life (his baptism by John, debated Jewish authorities, healings, and his crucifixion by Pilate) they have built various and diverging portraits of the rest of his life. These range from minimalist portraits that accept very little of the gospel accounts to maximalists who accept most of the accounts as historical.

The portraits of Jesus have at times been unwitting reflections of the researchers themselves, and Crossan once quipped that some authors "do autobiography and call it biography". However, the study of historical Jesus has made one thing clear: there is so much to learn about Jesus that the more one looks, the more there is to discover.

From the bookshelf

Jesus of Nazareth: An Independent Historian's Account of His Life and Teaching by Maurice Casey 2010 ISBN 0-567-64517-7

In this book Maurice Casey not only draws on his special expertise in the Aramaic traditions and the Q source, but provides a comprehensive review of the various approaches to the historical Jesus.

Did you know...

Calendar
This month we celebrate the feasts of St Lawrence, St Bernard, and St Augustine.

Help requests
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.