User talk:Zanhe

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DYK for Xu Lai (actress)[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:05, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

  • Impressive work once again with this article. Happy editing! ComputerJA () 04:56, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! -Zanhe (talk) 06:01, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK review[edit]

Hello Zanhe, how are you? I trust all is well. I have recently created an article about a film which was nominated for DYK. So, I thought if you can help review. The nom page is here. Infinite thanks. Face-smile.svg Jim Carter (talk) 15:32, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Jim Cartar, I've been trying to access, the main source for the article, but it keeps timing out. Is it just me or something wrong with the website? -Zanhe (talk) 05:15, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
No the website was opening when I, Philg88, MelanieN and Mogism were trying. Which browser are you using? Try another browser please. Jim Carter (talk) 06:51, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Can you access gomolo now?? Jim Carter (talk) 09:52, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
It works now, don't know why. I'm a bit busy this weekend, will take a look in a couple days or so. -Zanhe (talk) 07:18, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
No rush. And thank you friend. Face-smile.svg Jim Carter (talk) 14:15, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
I have addressed the issues. Please re-review. Thanks. Jim Carter (talk) 08:01, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Thank you very much friend Face-smile.svg for the re-review. Jim Carter (talk) 09:23, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

You're very welcome, and thanks for your diligent effort finding sources. -Zanhe (talk) 02:18, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Dharmadhyaksha has proposed another hook. Please take a look. Infinite thanks. Jim Carter (talk) 13:17, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Jim Cartar, there's a problem with the new hook. See my comment at the nom page. -Zanhe (talk) 03:25, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK assistance[edit]

Hey my friend, long time no speak! Hope all is well. If you have a moment, please can you take a look at Template:Did you know nominations/Albert Heard and give your thoughts? I've never come across this as part of a DYK before so I'd appreciate your judgement. Cheers,  Philg88 talk 08:23, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

See my reply at the nom page. -Zanhe (talk) 07:20, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Many thanks for that. I have no doubt that he is notable, but you know as well as I do how difficult it can be find sources proving it. Hopefully someone will now process the DYK submission. Thanks again and if I can reciprocate then don't hesitate to ask. Best,  Philg88 talk 07:25, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
No need to reciprocate. Just keep writing interesting new articles for my reading pleasure :) -Zanhe (talk) 04:16, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
It will be my pleasure :)  Philg88 talk 04:19, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

WT:DYK hook discussion[edit]

FYI: A discussion about the hook for Lang Jingshan is going on at WT:DYK. Yoninah (talk) 15:55, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


According to Google, the authors of this article are Yan Ping and Bai Ying. Can you confirm if this is correct, or if Google is screwing with me? (Used in List of accolades received by Departures) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:47, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, Google translate is actually correct. I'm impressed. -Zanhe (talk) 02:20, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Sad, but true ...[edit]

I'm amazed that the stuff you removed was added in July 2012 without a supporting reference, and it sat there for 2 years before someone actually added one! (At which point it became obvious that it should never have been put there in the first place ... ) 2 years!! Pdfpdf (talk) 14:09, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Pdfpdf, I know, too many POV pushers and too few people sticking with neutral sources. Thanks for your effort improving the related articles! -Zanhe (talk) 02:52, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Lang Jingshan[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism at World's largest municipalities by population[edit]

Warning icon Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at World's largest municipalities by population, you may be blocked from editing. This article was blanked by you on 12 June 2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by BsBsBs (talkcontribs)

Please stop abusing the vandalism templates, which you also did on the talk page of Someone the Person. Implementing an AfD decision is not disruptive editing, but your obstruction of the implementation is. -Zanhe (talk) 05:05, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, basically, you are correct. However, life is rarely that simple ...[edit]

Yes, I had a similar reaction to yours regarding hatnotes are for articles with similar names, but I draw to your attention that "similar" might have a MUCH wider definition than you have considered. For example, in the sense that they are all "archipelagos in the South China Sea", there are about 5 names that satisfy this, of which the Paracels and the Spratlys are but two.
In principal, I agree with your edit. In practice, I fear that it's not that easily defined, and hence, before I express a further opinion, I'd like to read what you have to say on the matter (of non-similar names referring to possibly "similar" (whatever that might mean) circumstance. Thanks in advance, Pdfpdf (talk) 17:50, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

I see your point, and agree that some people may confuse the Spratlys with the Paracels as they are both archipelagos in the South China Sea. Similarly, people may also confuse Sicily with Sardinia, Fiji with Tonga, and the dozens of countries in the Caribbean, but I don't think hatnotes are meant to prevent this type of potential confusion. -Zanhe (talk) 05:00, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Serial vandalism at World's largest municipalities by population[edit]

Warning icon Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at World's largest municipalities by population, you may be blocked from editing. This article was blanked by you again on 13 June 2014 after a warning was issued on 12 June 2014 BsBsBs (talk) 08:55, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

You chose to ignore my warning against abusing the vandalism notices. I hope you've now learned your lesson after this and this. -Zanhe (talk) 23:25, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Well, I know you're above gravedancing. :) The good news is that he's agreed to a topic ban if he's unblocked. Now, I trust that the article will find an appropriate fate. Let's work together to help wrap up this bone in our throats. It's time to get this one fixed. Thank you again for your patience in all of this. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:28, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
You can't imagine how much abuse I received from him over the years. Besides the latest vandalism accusations, he's accused me of racism and of conspiring to fudge numbers. I know I'm just one of several editors who stopped actively maintaining the city lists out of frustration. He seemed to be exhausted himself from being opposed by virtually everybody else, but just couldn't stop. I'm not against unblocking him if he agrees to a topic ban, which is probably the best for everyone involved. -Zanhe (talk) 00:10, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Zhang Shichuan[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 14 June 2014 (UTC)


Please re-review this one. Thanks, Jim Carter (talk) 14:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Done. -Zanhe (talk) 00:40, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Seeking advice[edit]

Greetings from Chinese Wikipedia. I have translated the article The Jakarta Post into Chinese, but there is a user (now banned as he used several sock puppets to disturb the functioning of zhwp; mentioned as that man below) arguing about the translation, thus opposed the attempt of GA candidacy. I've discussed the issue with Crisco 1492, the article's main editor, and we have made effort for the issues' resolving. Here's summary of our talk:

  1. In the original article, it is said that when the Post was founded, staffs need to use a pica pole as the straightedge. That man argues that in this situation, a straightedge means a tool with an edge free from curves with no equally spaced markings along its length, making the sentence irrational. I don't agree with his saying, thus not changing the sentence. In our discussion, Crisco point out that straightedge = ruler (give or take). Since then, the sentence haven't changed.
  2. In the article mentioned above, it's said that "English favouring the active voice and direct statements, while respectful Indonesian favours the passive voice and a circuitous approach." That man argues that in this situation, "respectful Indonesian" means elegant/prestigious way of Indonesian writing. But I have noticed an article about a televised debate between Mr. Joko Widodo and Mr. Prabowo Subianto (both candidates in the upcoming Indonesian presidential election) by Lianhe Zaobao, a Singapore-based Chinese paper. In the article, it stated that a typical style for a Javanese to speak is humble, just like what Jokowi did. So, I think that it is quite contradictory between that man's comment and the article's content. I prefer to adopt the article's speech, i.e. "respectful Indonesian" = "humble way of Indonesian writing". Crisco suggested that "respectful Indonesian" can be translated into some Chinese means "Indonesians showing respect" or sth similar.
  3. In the same article, it quoted the speech of Mr. Jusuf Wanandi: "You cannot bullshit in English, like the Javanese way." That man argued again, this time point out the word "bullshit" means chatting, not lying nor having a bad intend. Crisco said that the phrase "bullshit" doesn't means as "lying" nor "chatting". He suggests that the phrase is using a certain phrasing to imply that you'll do something, but not doing it (a favourite tactic of Indonesians who want to stall... "akan dikerjakan" ("it will be worked on"). I look at the original version of the Chinese translation again. The original translation of the phrase "bullshit" means "boasting", "lying" or "chatting", and the revised translation only means "chatting". For the meaning of not doing what he promised to do, there are several idioms on it, roughly translated as "what one say and do is not the same" and "saying, then not fulfill the promise". However, as I know, they are used as adjectives. If the original translation (boasting/chatting/lying) is used, it may makes contradiction, as I have translated the word "respectful" as a Chinese word means "humble".

I appreciate your contributions on China-related articles, as I once noticed that your article was on DYK column and the article is well-written. Crisco also acknowledged your well understanding of Chinese nuance, thus ask me to seek advice from you. I would be grateful if you can give me some useful advice on these issues, comment on whether our explanation is correct, and help for the translation. Much thanks, Spring Roll Conan ( Talk · Contributions ) 11:37, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Spring Roll Conan, this is a completely unfamiliar subject to me. I'll need some time to read both the English and Chinese articles, as well as the sources, and get back to you later. Hope that's ok. -Zanhe (talk) 00:43, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
春卷柯南, sorry about the delay. I took a look at the article and your translation (well done, by the way), but unfortunately I cannot access the main source (Tarrant 2008). I agree with the your translation of straightedge as 直尺. Wikidata apparently thinks so too. As for "respectful Indonesian", I suggest translating it as 禮貌的印尼語. From my understanding, the humble voice is simply the normal polite speech of Malay/Indonesian. "You cannot bullshit in English, like the Javanese way" is the hardest to translate. Without access to the original context, it's hard to determine what he means exactly by "bullshit" here. However, I don't think this sentence is essential to the article, and not much is lost if you just omit it altogether. If you really want to include it, just follow Crisco's interpretation. -Zanhe (talk) 20:17, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I recall seeing "straightedge" as a translation of 直尺 somewhere. MDBG has it as "straight ruler", but that smacks of Chinglish. As for the nuance, I can't comment – Hainan yes, but Indonesia is a bit beyond my geographic sphere. Just my 2 RMB worth.  Philg88 talk 21:04, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Kong Yingda[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:53, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Calendar conversion[edit]

How to convert from Chinese calendar to Western calendar during BCE, e.g. Liu Bang died on 1 June 195 BC (四月甲辰 in Book of Han).-- (talk) 03:38, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Academia Sinica has a tool at that converts dates from Chinese to Western calendar. It works from late Western Han and afterward. Zhou dynasty calendars are far more complicated and not supported by the tool. For dates not supported, you'll just have to find a modern academic source that has already done the conversion. -Zanhe (talk) 07:09, 21 June 2014 (UTC)


Mind taking a look and lifting the barrage? Thanks much "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 23:10, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

As much as I value your contributions and hate to see you blocked again, I'm afraid the evidence on ANI is quite damning. When you are unblocked in the future, remember to stay away from making personal attacks or playing tricks with page archiving. People are not stupid, you know, especially administrators patrolling ANI. -Zanhe (talk) 06:00, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Ching Tsai Loo[edit]

Hi again -- I've started an article on the art dealer and de facto cultural ambassador, Ching Tsai Loo. Any suggestions or improvements very welcome! Especially for ideas on how to tie him into other articles which develop the "East/West" mutual cultural interchange theme. Hope all goes well. ch (talk) 15:04, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

@CWH: thanks for another awesome article, I never knew about the interesting life story behind this famous art dealer! I'm preparing for my summer travels now and there's still some unfinished business to take care of. So I may not have too much time to work on the article, but I'll see what I can do to help. Good thing is that it's already in a very good shape! -Zanhe (talk) 20:45, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! No rush and no big deal, it's just that working on something intensively I lose track of what things look like, and you have a good eye and a good feel for how things fit together. ch (talk) 22:33, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
@CWH: I see that you uploaded this image. You might want to know that it's best to upload public domain images to the Commons (, so that they can be used by all Wikipedia projects. Normally only "fair use" (non-PD) images are uploaded to, which are for local use only and not visible to other wikis. -Zanhe (talk) 01:31, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Li Shaohong[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 16:18, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Map question[edit]

Hi my friend. Apropos the conversation that we had a while ago re location maps I'm thinking of making a shiny new OSM derived map of Shanghai. However, although Chongming County is officially part of the city proper, it will mess up the scale if I include it. Do you think it would work to have "Shanghai downtown" as a separate location map? Cheers,  Philg88 talk 06:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

@Philg88: A shiny new map of Shanghai would be a godsend, and a downtown map would be especially helpful! Most interesting places in Shanghai seem to be concentrated within the Inner Ring Road. Do you think that would be a good definition of downtown? -Zanhe (talk) 07:35, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Ring road seems sensible, maybe just a tad outside. The main issue was the dumping of Chongming County. I'll start this next week when I finish the current (mammoth) WWII map project. Thanks for the input, Best  Philg88 talk 07:59, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Redirect Barnstar-E.svg The Redirect Barnstar
I thought I was doing well with my 300 redirects, but then I noticed you'd created almost 2,000 of them! Redirects are crucial to ensure that readers find what they want. I award you this rarely used ***Redirect Barnstar*** to thank you for your sustained efforts in developing this neglected aspect of our encyclopedia. Keep up the good work! Madalibi (talk) 06:41, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
@Madalibi: I don't know if I really deserve this, as I have no idea how to verify that I've actually created that many redirects :-) Thanks so much for your kindness! -Zanhe (talk) 08:01, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Xtools will tell you everything you need to know. Some redirects are the result of page moves (about 100 of mine are), but with 1981 redirects, you definitely created a lot of them manually, and that's why you deserve this barnstar! Madalibi (talk) 08:51, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Looks like a useful tool. Thanks! -Zanhe (talk) 20:07, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Ji (surname 季)[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 00:04, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Ji (surname 吉)[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 00:04, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Ji (surname 冀)[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 00:04, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Chinese Unity Barnstar of National Merit.png Zhonghua Barnstar of Merit
I would bestow upon you a vote of thanks for all your work, promoting greater understanding of Chinese culture.
this WikiAward was given to Zanhe by  Ohc ¡digame! on 02:31, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you Ohconfucius for the barnstar and for reviewing my DYK nominations! -Zanhe (talk) 07:16, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Gong Li vs. Li Gong[edit]

Can you help me convince these people at Talk:Gong_Li#Gong_Li_vs._Li_Gong that Gong is Gong Li's surname. There's like an edit war here for the past year:

Chongming Island[edit]

I'm not sure it should be redirected to Chongming County, since I just discovered a significant albeit small part of the northern shore belongs to the Jiangsu cities of Haimen and Qidong. Perhaps we can work on making it a separate article? TLA 3x ♭ 04:34, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

You're absolutely correct. In addition to the difference you noted, Chongming County also includes two fairly large islands, Changxing and Hengsha, neither of which has an article. The redirect is only a temporary measure, as there is about 80-90% overlap between the island and the county. It would be great if you could work on expanding/creating the articles. However, I'll be travelling most of the summer and won't be able to make any substantial contribution in the next two months. -Zanhe (talk) 06:23, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Then have fun travelling. I haven't had the luxury of a vacation outlasting a week for quite a few years. xP TLA 3x ♭ 06:47, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Travelling ≠ vacation. But I'll try to enjoy it anyways. -Zanhe (talk) 06:57, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Correct defaultsort?[edit]

Lin Tin Kyaw's default sort says "Kyaw, Lin Tin", however all other "Lin ____ " put "Lin,____"[1], [2] Check? After all, listas are usually produced with the help of defaultsort. Thanks OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 10:19, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

@OccultZone: Burmese names are a class of their own, with no surnames but many honorifics. I don't know how Lin Tin Kyaw should be properly sorted. -Zanhe (talk) 19:08, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
It is correct or not, may need to be checked, for example, Than Shwe, Ne Win, Aung San Suu Kyi have their exact names as default sort. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 19:37, 3 July 2014 (UTC)


Given that you have recently commented on the ANI concerning the behaviour of an editor on the Uyghur people page, I'm wondering if you are interested in offering an opinion on the continuing problem here or what should be done about his edits. I've been trying to fit his edits into something that is readable and properly sourced, but he seems to have an attachment to what he wrote and insists on reverting even when it is pointed out that his edits are written badly and unsourced, or are not relevant to the section concerned. Hzh (talk)

@Hzh: I've reverted his most recent unexplained edit which undid much of your work, while introducing many obvious errors. Please note that I'm travelling for the summer and probably won't be able to follow up on the development. -Zanhe (talk) 19:14, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your help. Some pages seem to attract more problems than others, and it is a lot of work to keep them in some sort of shape. I will probably not keep a close eye on that article because there are many more that require attention and are far less troublesome. Hzh (talk) 20:50, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of C. T. Loo[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of C. T. Loo at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:39, 9 July 2014 (UTC)


Hope your holiday is going well. I was wondering if, assuming you have the time, you could check Sam Poo Kong and see if the Indonesian transliteration (likely from Hokkian) is also the standard Mandarin one. 07:58, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

My pleasure. -Zanhe (talk) 02:43, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for C. T. Loo[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:38, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Su Rong[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 04:39, 17 July 2014 (UTC)


See Talk:Islam in China#Recent blankings and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TrueChinaHistory. Dougweller (talk) 10:40, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

You're very welcome, Dougweller, I know how frustrating it is to deal with disruptive POV pushers. Interestingly, while browsing the Sockpuppet investigations page linked from your message, I discovered an open SPI case against myself, initiated by a user who does little but edit warring and POV pushing. -Zanhe (talk) 04:57, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Serendipity. Glad you found that. Dougweller (talk) 13:46, 22 July 2014 (UTC)