User talk:ZiaLater

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Some baklava for you![edit]

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG Nice work on Economy of Venezuela. bobrayner (talk) 18:29, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Would you consider improving some other, related articles? Let me know if you need help with anything. bobrayner (talk) 16:52, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the welcome! I just learned how to use the talk board so I'm sorry for the tardy response.

Thank you, --ZiaLater (talk) 01:01, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your outstanding work in the 2014 Venezuelan Protests article. Jamez42 (talk) 02:42, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Since the start of the 2014 Venezuelan protests, you have tirelessly helped to improve its article, have done a marvelous work and made over 800 edits (and counting!). I reward you with this barnstar two months after the Youth Day in Venezuela. Congratulations, you deserve it!. --Jamez42 (talk) 02:49, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

My first barnstar! Thank you for your help on the article too Jamez42. All of those pictures were needed in the article. Stay safe!
Thank you!--ZiaLater (talk) 02:52, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome, you really deserve it :) I'll try to keep helping with the article too, stay safe too!--Jamez42 (talk) 03:02, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Leopoldo Lopez[edit]

I recently noticed an egregious BLP violation on the Czech page of Leopoldo López found here. The content violates Wikipedia's BLP policy and the source they are using is far from reliable. I tried fixing it but I was quickly reverted. Do you think you could help me out in trying to remove this information? I noticed you contributed significantly to Leopoldo Lopez's English page so I decided to come to you for help. Thank you in advance! Hope to hear back soon. (talk) 23:50, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

I can take a look but I have to warn you about canvassing. I will add information about him to the page since there isn't much.--ZiaLater (talk) 00:59, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Venezuelan protests[edit]

Hi, I see that you are working at the "2014 Venezuelan protests" page with a focus on cooperation and a non-confrontational approach. Good for that. Are you pro-oposition or chavista? Or neither? I wish I could contribute more to the page but the article is very big, and I like to focus more on elections than anything else. --yeah_93 (talk) 17:53, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the article! The article has had a lot of disputes so I try to keep things as neutral as possible. I see benefits from both positions. I have a lot of sources from what people claim are "opposition sources" but most of those sources are just for the timeline. In the case of Chavez, he did a lot of good things for the people but a lot of things went wrong during his presidency too. We're human and we aren't perfect. Enough of my spiel...
If you want to contribute to elections just look at the elections section in the article. It could use a little more if you compare it to the economic section. If you want to broaden your use of sources I suggest that you use Google Chrome as it will roughly translate what is said in Spanish sources. If you want to focus on more elections in Venezuela, I suggest that you look at the Hugo Chavez article since it seems like a lot of stuff is missing there. Again, welcome to the article and if you need any more help just ask!--ZiaLater (talk) 19:34, 22 April 2014 (UTC)


Something in which you might be interested is being discussed here. This is a blanket alert given to multiple editors, a response is not needed. DocumentError (talk) 05:45, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

I responded, thank you for the alert.--ZiaLater (talk) 08:18, 5 October 2014 (UTC)


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for good-natured, congenial and polite interaction in an article that otherwise completely lacks it DocumentError (talk) 08:19, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about[edit]

Hello, ZiaLater,

I wanted to let you know that there's a discussion about whether should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ .

If you're new to the process, articles for deletion is a group discussion (not a vote!) that usually lasts seven days. If you need it, there is a guide on how to contribute. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top.

Thanks, Vanjagenije (talk) 17:37, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Leopoldo Lopez[edit]

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For your outstanding work on Leopoldo López.DaltonCastle (talk) 18:49, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the barnstar and thanks for the cooperating on the article (you saved me a little bit of work)!--ZiaLater (talk) 23:05, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Potential Conflict of interest[edit]

Zia, wanted to ask your opinion on this first. User: Riothero is very active on Venezuelan pages with a clear bias. I noticed your page for which led me to that actual site: which also has a very clear bias. Its almost certain the same person runs both the site and the Wikipedia account. Is this worth bringing up on the COI noticeboard? I understand any user may have certain biases, but this is a pretty big one. DaltonCastle (talk) 19:23, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I thought about raising the same issue. It is a serious concern, due to the nature of the editing. bobrayner (talk) 22:15, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
@DaltonCastle:,@Bobrayner:, I am not sure about noticeboard activities, so taking any action would be up to you both. It is interesting because I asked him on his talk page about the relation but he deleted it. I do not want to be accused of anything in my edits so I will not create a notice on Riothero, but since you both seem to know the policies more than me, the correct decision with any user is to make sure WP policies are not violated due to the interests of a single individual so you may do so. Feel free to discuss this with me further if more needs to be done to uphold such policies and if anything is needed for the COI noticeboard.--ZiaLater (talk) 23:01, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure whether WP:COIN is the best place to take this problem. COIN works relatively well with the most common type of COI editing - promoting specific businesses and musicians etc - but I feel it less effective dealing with cases where there is more general POV-pushing which just happens to be aligned with the interests of some prominent real-world ranter. Is there a better noticeboard, or is COIN the least-bad option?
  • The Neutral point of view noticeboard is good at dealing with individual NPOV issues but maybe less effective when they span ten pages and a hundred different edits. Third opinions have the same limitation.
  • DRN is more structured but it doesn't stop a determined editor.
  • RfC/U rarely generates more than empty accusations and counter-accusations which eventually die down without action.
  • AN/I is less rule-bound and has less predictable outcomes - that can be a plus or a minus.
  • Or maybe we could get some extra input from a wikiproject first? WikiProject Venezuela, maybe?
  • We also have the nuclear option, if everything else fails.
bobrayner (talk) 01:31, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
@DaltonCastle:,@Bobrayner:, the Neutral point of view noticeboard seems like the best option as there are multiple edits of POV on hand. The WikiProject Venezuela also sounds like a good idea, though I am not sure if we will get a response since I do not know how active the users are on the project.--ZiaLater (talk) 02:04, 23 October 2014 (UTC)