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February 2014[edit]

Information icon Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours to the page Kazoku has an edit summary that appears to be inaccurate or inappropriate. Please use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did, and feel free to use the sandbox for any tests you may want to do. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 09:13, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

For the discussion about Nanking[edit]

I started that discussion but I didn't involve the discussion. I plan to wait maybe 3 days or no more than one week (Or may be 2 weeks like the article deletion nomination) so that each side can offer more sources about this. During this time, I hope editor can apply more sources about it. After this, I will invite all editors who joined this discussion before to find a solution for this discussion. I think in that time, there maybe lots of sources for this discussion. Maybe I will find a way to vote. Is that OK for this?Miracle dream (talk)14:55, 14 February 2014

the new discussion about Nanking Massacre[edit]

I saw your remark on the talk page. I am very glad that you affirm my effort on the table and that we are agree that the upper limit of death toll should be push edup. However, I still want to say a few things about the subject. I hope this would not bother you too much. First I think 200,000+ is not an over-estimating figure. Maybe 300,000+ would be a little over but given what I listed in the table, I think 200,000+ is well accepted among worldwide scholars as the result of IMFTE. I have many side proofs on this specific point if you would like to acquaint more. Second, Ikuhiko Hata's estimate has been strongly doubted by different scholars. For example Lee En-Han criticized that Hata used a quasi-quibbling method to cut down the number by using "illegal kill", "quasi-fight-to-death" and "legal kill" to classify the massacred Chinese citizens and only admit the 38000 to 42000 "illegal killed number". Hata's estimate is not that widely accepted.

But after all, I think we are on the way to solve the problem. I do not know how to deal with Banzaiblitz given his wild behavior on the talk page so I choose to leave my comment here. Hope you don't mind. --Snorri (talk) 10:23, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I will admit, that much of what I have learned about the detailed scholarship about the Nanjing Massacre is stuff which I have only learned in detail in the past few days, so I cannot off the top of my head comment with great authority, but I do appreciate the sentiment in your coming here. My greater experience is mostly in accessing sources for their reliability, and that too is limited (but right now, I think yours seem to be fairly reliable, and should be added to the page following discussion). If it is indeed the case that Hata is actually more of a fringe viewpoint, then I think that if this claim can be reliably sourced then (in the form of the criticism of his viewpoints by other scholars), it would have a place in the article. Generally, I would advocate that we keep this on the talk page, but yes, conversation has soured somewhat there. It seems that Banzaiblitz has proposed a moratorium on discussion for a week; I do not think a whole week is necessary, but a brief delay may be fine, so that both sides can prepare their arguments and cool off. In say a few days, or a week, we can return calmly to discussion on the talk page, and present the new arguments peacefully. However, if the conversation takes a turn for the worse yet again, with not only angry words, but also violations of the code of conduct, then we may need to request mediation or arbitration.

(In addition, I would like to apologize in advance if I am posting less, but right now, I'm finding myself more and more busy in real life, and have less and less time to devote to wikipedia than I would like.Zmflavius (talk) 18:49, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I too like most of us do not have many time devoted to Wikipedia. I can understand that we are actually all making the greatest effort possible in our limited time to help build a better Wikipedia. I am a general history lover, not an expert on the Nanking Massacre. I was never so clear about the different studies on this issue. I think this is one of the reasons that make me like editing Wikipedia.
As of Hata's estimate, as far as I know, Hata's estimate is not a very fringe one, although his opinion was criticized by some other historians. In fact, there is a major disagreement between the two main schools on the Nanking Massacre issue, the Chinese one and the Japanese one. The West was not so keen with the issue and research interest was not raised until Iris Chang's book in 1997. And nowadays researchers actually have less scholarly interest in making overall estimates of death toll because most main evidences were already found and tested in 1946 during the Nanking and Tokyo Tribunes. Different estimates exist because some adopt more evidence while others adopt less. They put more interest in the study of new found side evidence or collecting survivors' oral narrations. Scholars making new overall estimates are actually showing their criteria of adoption for existing evidences. And honestly this is rather a show of political stance than a pure scholar act.
Concerning the little break, I would suggest that during the break we first move the leading section of the article back to the original version before drawing to the final consensus? --Snorri (talk) 20:29, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Ehhh...I would prefer avoiding doing anything drastic (that could easily set off an edit war). Let's wait for the discussion, in the meantime, examine our sources, and then present our case.Zmflavius (talk) 20:40, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello, I don't want to your debate but just hope for a attitude. Did you accept my proposal" The number of deaths is contested among scholars, whose estimates range from 40,000 to 300,000". Just give me a reply for this. Thank you.Miracle dream (talk)
Right now, based n what I have read so far, it seems to have more credence. I would support it tentatively, but only after conclusion of debate.Zmflavius (talk) 05:26, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism warning[edit]

You are removing sourced content related to the entry,if you have some good reason to do so,give it.If you just revert it again,I will take it up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victorkkd (talkcontribs) 02:55, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

As I have repeated stated, the content is neither encyclopedic, nor properly sourced. If you have either a proper source or some good reason for it to be included on the page, feel free to include it.Zmflavius (talk) 04:49, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
As I have repeated stated, Zhu's BOOK is PROPER SOURCE.You have no right to say anything about"neither encyclopedic, nor properly sourced" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victorkkd (talkcontribs) 06:05, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
No, it's not, and you really don't seem to understand how wikipedia works.
It is legitimate material, and it is you who don't seem to understand how wikipedia works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victorkkd (talkcontribs) 06:32, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

March 2014[edit]

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Excuse me, I wonder why claim the western source in hundred regiment article is based on Chinese record. Dose this source claim that? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.33.229.119 (talk) 22:35, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Please reply to my questions on comfort women[edit]

Hello!

I would like to make you two questions in relation to attaching a disambiguation template to the article comfort women.

The first is the question whether you know the fact that the word "comfort women"(慰安婦,i-an-fu) was used even after WWII in Japan and South Korea. This fact can be checked in Recreation and Amusement Association, Prostitutes in South Korea for the U.S. military ( or ja:特殊慰安施設協会, ja:韓国軍慰安婦 or ko:특수위안시설협회, ko:양공주 ).

And the second is the reason why you don't need a disambiguation template.

Please reply to my questions.

Thank you! NiceDay (talk) 07:50,20 March 2014add signiture after

The reason why the disambiguation templates do not belong is that because even though the same term was at times used, they refer to two entirely different concepts; the first towards the system of sexual slavery employed by the Empire of Japan, and the second towards the organized voluntary prostitution of the various Allied occupation (entirely voluntary) and post-war South Korean armies (in the second, with occasional uses of coercion). While the official terms may be similar, overall the fact that they refer to several very different systems means that the disambiguation tags establish a false equivalency contrary to the spirit of all three articles. Especially, there is the issue that while in official documents, the words used (wianbu and ianfu) employ the same characters, in the English vernacular, Comfort women refers almost exclusively to the Imperial Japanese system, with entirely different terms for the Japanese and South Korean system (in particular, I have never seen comfort women used in the English context to refer to the SK prostitution, except to explain the hanja term). Therefore, while it may be worthwhile to establish disambiguations for wianbu for example, it is certainly not accurate to establish redirects for the term comfort women specifically. Having said that, that does not mean that there should be no disambiguation tags, since evidently, there is some overlap in the use of terms, but the current proposed disambiguation tags without a doubt are two vague for usage. Finally, if we are to continue this conversation, I would recommend moving to the talk pages of the Prostitutes in SK article and/or the Comfort Women article, which is the proper place for such discussion.Zmflavius (talk) 15:23, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your answer.
Would you agree to post the contents of this section to Talk:Comfort women ?
If you can agree, I would like to continue to discuss at Talk:Comfort women .NiceDay (talk) 00:23, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Very well then, if that suits you.Zmflavius (talk) 01:42, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your agreement. Mr. Binksternet has agreed too. I will make a new section there. Please wait. NiceDay (talk) 08:17, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
I apologize having forgotten the signature by the message the other day.
I created Talk:Comfort women#Proposal about ambiguity evasion, Please join. Thank you.NiceDay (talk) 21:48, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your participating in Talk:Comfort women.
Since the talk in Talk:Comfort women is quick, there seems nothing I can do there.
Since the user name was changed, I fix the old signatures.NiceDay (talk) 22:30, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Howdy, howdy![edit]

Is this the same Zmflavius from the Alternate History forums? Flag of Arlington County, Virginia.png Illegitimate Barrister 06:38, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

It is indeed, as it happens. Who would you happen to be?Zmflavius (talk) 16:08, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

About the necessity for the linkages in Comfort women[edit]

I have written my opinion about the necessity for the linkages at Talk:Comfort women#About the necessity for the linkages. So please read them and let me know your opinion there.NiceDay (talk) 04:16, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

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Sockpuppet[edit]

FYI: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Stanislawlemlemlem Michitaro (talk) 04:20, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

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About foreign support in sino-japanese war[edit]

I can't understand why list British Empire as the foreign support but nothing detail in the article. When I read Second Sino-Japanese War, it describes the support from soviet, US and even Germany but doesn't describe any support from Britain. I don't know why list Britain as a foreign support but did not write any detail in the article. Moreover, soviet and US all sent military adviser (Vasily Chuikov and Joseph Stilwell) to China. If you think Britain is one of the major foreign support for sino-Japanese war, can you add a reference to that article. It seems it is unsource contents now. If list Britain as a major support because it is the major power of Allies, then we can also list Netherlands, Australia and Canada because they are all major power of allies in Pacific war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.181.173.116 (talk) 05:41, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

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Feng Baiju[edit]

Hi there. Just out of curiosity, why remove the infobox? Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:51, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I removed the infobox as part of a general cleanup of the article itself; when I accessed the article at first, the infobox appeared to be bugged, creating a very large infobox with a number of messages all over the screen. I was unable to fix it by myself except by deleting it entirely, but perhaps someone with greater technical skills than I can do so.Zmflavius (talk) 00:51, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I just reverted the good faith edit by User:Magioladitis and the infobox self-fixed. I still can't figure out why removing invisible comments broke the thing. Odd. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:43, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

I am studiokazuyo. I was trying to make your input more balanced because your point is a Chinese view and mine is Japanese. If I cannot edited the Nanking issues would make no balanced view. However you do not allow for me to edit. Japan had a very good news coverage and we have articles in file. Nanking Massacre was not there until the Tokyo Trial you pointed out. The photos were all fake you pointed out so you cannot say that the Japan did not inform Japanese in 1937 about the massacre. Japan is not China. We do not control that much if it happened we inform the citizen but no such news in Japan, US, France, Germany, Italy and Russia. So it did not happen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Studiokazuyo (talkcontribs) 03:32, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Studiokazuyo[edit]

I am studiokazuyo. I was trying to make your input more balanced because your point is a Chinese view and mine is Japanese. If I cannot edited the Nanking issues would make no balanced view. However you do not allow for me to edit. Japan had a very good news coverage and we have articles in file. Nanking Massacre was not there until the Tokyo Trial you pointed out. The photos were all fake you pointed out so you cannot say that the Japan did not inform Japanese in 1937 about the massacre. Japan is not China. We do not control that much if it happened we inform the citizen but no such news in Japan, US, France, Germany, Italy and Russia. So it did not happen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Studiokazuyo (talk • contribs) 03:32, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Allow me to point out WP:NOR. Wikipedia is not in the habit of pushing a Chinese view or a Japanese view, Wikipedia's role is to publish information that is based on reliable, published sources. However, you did not supply any sources for your claims, such as that the photos were fake. If you wish to learn more about sourcing, it would behoove you to read more of WP:NOR. Finally, in reference to your talk page, while a member of Wikiproject China, I am actually Chinese-American. Nor do I control wikiproject China, and its role is not to push the "Chinese view" on matters. It is simply a group which handles the articles related to China on wikipedia.Zmflavius (talk) 14:13, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

ALOHA SHIRT: Reversing an edit without addressing issue on the talk page (as was requested when original deletion was done)[edit]

Hi, the last thing I want to do is start an edit war with you; but when I took the time to address my concerns on the article's talk page AND gave a weeks notice for comment AND noted the talk page discussion on the Edit History: (cur | prev) 18:19, 22 August 2014‎ Bobsd (talk | contribs)‎ . . (14,082 bytes) (-2,018)‎ . . (→‎History: see talk page: Discussion of DOMA in an article about shirts) (undo)

then it is rude to revert my edit without any discussion or notice.

FROM THE TALK PAGE:

Discussion of DOMA in an article about shirts?

Okay, I was reading up on Hilo Hatties and found this article. Interesting history of the Aloha shirt style. Then I ran into this:

   The aloha shirt has at times [when?] been associated with the gay community,[by whom?] as made clear [?] in the season 8 episode of The Simpsons Homer's Phobia.[5][6][these articles do not even support the claim, they just reference what Homer said.] The association may stem [opinion?] from the tendency of Magnum, P.I. main character Thomas Magnum, portrayed by Tom Selleck, to regularly wear aloha shirts on the show, as it was set on the island of Oahu, Hawaii.[6] Selleck was rumored to be gay, though he has since denied those rumors.[6][7] Any association with the court case Baehr v. Miike, a lawsuit in which three same-sex couples argued that Hawaii's prohibition of same-sex marriage violated the state constitution which later provided an impetus for the enactment of the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in 1996,[8] is likely secondary at best, as the case wasn't initiated until 1991, roughly three years after the end of the television show's broadcast. [secondary at best? Wow. Just wow.]

This whole thread is rather Stream of Consciousness ... Okay, so maybe the original point of an association with the gay community is valid [reference needed] however a reference to the Simpsons is hardly a valid source, and more than using the Simpsons in an article about pork chops or donuts. And in any case, how is this germane to an article about shirts?

I am going to remove the entire section in a week, unless someone can propose a valid reason why Selleck's orientation or Baehr v. Miike or DOMA adds any value to this article about shirts.

Bobsd (talk) 15:04, 15 August 2014 (UTC)


Consequently I am going to delete the section again. If you want to discuss this, please do so on the TALK page of the article, as directed by wikipedia guidelines.

Regards, Bobsd (talk) 06:07, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Response on your talk page and the Aloha Shirt talk page.Zmflavius (talk) 22:42, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for that explanation! I was pretty surprised about the deletion, but you know how things get around here sometimes. Happy editing! Bobsd (talk) 18:34, 29 August 2014 (UTC)