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Table cell contents spilling over.[edit]

. When viewing the following table in the mobile version of the site, some text from the first column spills over into the adjacent cell of the second column.

Team Constructor Chassis Power unit Tyre No. Drivers
Italy Scuderia Ferrari Ferrari SF15-T[1] Ferrari P 5
Germany Sebastian Vettel
Finland Kimi Räikkönen
India Sahara Force India F1 Team Force India-Mercedes VJM08[2] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 11
Mexico Sergio Pérez
Germany Nico Hülkenberg
United Kingdom Lotus F1 Team Lotus-Mercedes E23 Hybrid[3] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 8
France Romain Grosjean
Venezuela Pastor Maldonado
United Kingdom Manor Marussia F1 Team[4] Marussia-Ferrari TBA Ferrari 059/3[5][6] P TBA
United Kingdom Will Stevens
Flag of None.svg TBA
United Kingdom McLaren Honda McLaren-Honda MP4-30[7] Honda RA615H Hybrid P 14
Spain Fernando Alonso
United Kingdom Jenson Button
GermanyMercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team Mercedes F1 W06 Hybrid[8] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 6
Germany Nico Rosberg
United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton
Austria Infiniti Red Bull Racing Red Bull-Renault RB11[9] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 3
Australia Daniel Ricciardo
Russia Daniil Kvyat
Switzerland   Sauber F1 Team Sauber-Ferrari C34[10] Ferrari P 9
Sweden Marcus Ericsson
Brazil Felipe Nasr
Italy Scuderia Toro Rosso Toro Rosso-Renault STR10[11] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 33
Netherlands Max Verstappen
Spain Carlos Sainz Jr.
United Kingdom Williams Martini Racing Williams-Mercedes FW37[12] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 19
Brazil Felipe Massa
Finland Valtteri Bottas

Anyone got an idea what's causing this and/or how to solve this. Tvx1 22:24, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

I don't have a mobile device and it looks right for me in both desktop and The table has a coding error in {{nowrap|{{nowrap|Mercedes PU106B Hybrid}} which should only have one {{nowrap}}. Does it help to remove that:
Team Constructor Chassis Power unit Tyre No. Drivers
Italy Scuderia Ferrari Ferrari SF15-T[17] Ferrari P 5
Germany Sebastian Vettel
Finland Kimi Räikkönen
India Sahara Force India F1 Team Force India-Mercedes VJM08[18] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 11
Mexico Sergio Pérez
Germany Nico Hülkenberg
United Kingdom Lotus F1 Team Lotus-Mercedes E23 Hybrid[19] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 8
France Romain Grosjean
Venezuela Pastor Maldonado
United Kingdom Manor Marussia F1 Team[4] Marussia-Ferrari TBA Ferrari 059/3[5][6] P TBA
United Kingdom Will Stevens
Flag of None.svg TBA
United Kingdom McLaren Honda McLaren-Honda MP4-30[20] Honda RA615H Hybrid P 14
Spain Fernando Alonso
United Kingdom Jenson Button
Germany Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team Mercedes F1 W06 Hybrid[21] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 6
Germany Nico Rosberg
United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton
Austria Infiniti Red Bull Racing Red Bull-Renault RB11[22] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 3
Australia Daniel Ricciardo
Russia Daniil Kvyat
Switzerland   Sauber F1 Team Sauber-Ferrari C34[23] Ferrari P 9
Sweden Marcus Ericsson
Brazil Felipe Nasr
Italy Scuderia Toro Rosso Toro Rosso-Renault STR10[24] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 33
Netherlands Max Verstappen
Spain Carlos Sainz Jr.
United Kingdom Williams Martini Racing Williams-Mercedes FW37[25] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 19
Brazil Felipe Massa
Finland Valtteri Bottas
Does it help to remove all nowrap (may be controversial in an article), or for simplicity replace them by {{identity}} as here:
Team Constructor Chassis Power unit Tyre No. Drivers
Italy Scuderia Ferrari Ferrari SF15-T[27] Ferrari P 5
Germany Sebastian Vettel
Finland Kimi Räikkönen
India Sahara Force India F1 Team Force India-Mercedes VJM08[28] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 11
Mexico Sergio Pérez
Germany Nico Hülkenberg
United Kingdom Lotus F1 Team Lotus-Mercedes E23 Hybrid[29] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 8
France Romain Grosjean
Venezuela Pastor Maldonado
United Kingdom Manor Marussia F1 Team[4] Marussia-Ferrari TBA Ferrari 059/3[5][6] P TBA
United Kingdom Will Stevens
Flag of None.svg TBA
United Kingdom McLaren Honda McLaren-Honda MP4-30[30] Honda RA615H Hybrid P 14
Spain Fernando Alonso
United Kingdom Jenson Button
Germany Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team Mercedes F1 W06 Hybrid[31] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 6
Germany Nico Rosberg
United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton
Austria Infiniti Red Bull Racing Red Bull-Renault RB11[32] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 3
Australia Daniel Ricciardo
Russia Daniil Kvyat
Switzerland   Sauber F1 Team Sauber-Ferrari C34[33] Ferrari P 9
Sweden Marcus Ericsson
Brazil Felipe Nasr
Italy Scuderia Toro Rosso Toro Rosso-Renault STR10[34] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 33
Netherlands Max Verstappen
Spain Carlos Sainz Jr.
United Kingdom Williams Martini Racing Williams-Mercedes FW37[35] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 19
Brazil Felipe Massa
Finland Valtteri Bottas
PrimeHunter (talk) 04:56, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for mentioning that coding error. That didn't cause the problem however. Actually it did not do any harm at all. If you click on the link to the mobile view and then reduce the width of your browser screen to the minimum you will see the text from the first column spilling over. Using the identity template doesn't solve it. Tvx1 05:38, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
I already tried the minimum width on mobile and it works for me. I get a horizontal scroll bar and no overlap. I will stop guessing. It's too hard when I don't have the problem. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Since I'm not able to explain the issue with text, I have made a screenshot:


As you can see, content from the first column is spilling over into the second. Tvx1 21:20, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't spill over for me. Based on the amount of spillover in your screenshot, maybe your browser doesn't reserve space for the flag icon when the column width is calculated. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:05, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Multiple user have reported this to me though, regardless of which browser they use. Tvx1 06:54, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
I think you're spot on there. Either the flag icon isn't taken into account, either it's just counted as a 1px character. Is there a way to solve this? Tvx1 19:07, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Does it change anything if the size of the image is increased, or removed altogether? Googol30 (talk) 04:06, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Well, cells without flagicons don't spill over into other, no matter how wide they are. But we want to have them in that table. Tvx1 10:13, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
And does making the icons larger make the problem worse? What I'm trying to determine is how the browser is interpreting what it's given and why it isn't making the cells large enough. If the browser isn't making sufficient space for all of the elements the cell contains, should we worry about that, since it's then the fault of the browser, or find a workaround and try to fix the problem on our end, even if the mobile browser isn't working as expected? I didn't seem to catch what your mobile browser even is. If I could replicate the problem on my end, I could attempt to fix it, but the desktop version of Chrome I'm running handles element widths as expected. Let me add a table with the changes I'm thinking of for illustration:
Team Constructor Chassis Power unit Tyre No. Drivers
Italy Scuderia Ferrari Ferrari SF15-T[37] Ferrari P 5
Germany Sebastian Vettel
Finland Kimi Räikkönen
India Sahara Force India F1 Team Force India-Mercedes VJM08[38] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 11
Mexico Sergio Pérez
Germany Nico Hülkenberg
United Kingdom Lotus F1 Team Lotus-Mercedes E23 Hybrid[39] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 8
France Romain Grosjean
Venezuela Pastor Maldonado
United Kingdom Manor Marussia F1 Team[4] Marussia-Ferrari TBA Ferrari 059/3[5][6] P TBA
United Kingdom Will Stevens
Flag of None.svg TBA
United Kingdom McLaren Honda McLaren-Honda MP4-30[40] Honda RA615H Hybrid P 14
Spain Fernando Alonso
United Kingdom Jenson Button
Germany Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team Mercedes F1 W06 Hybrid[41] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 6
Germany Nico Rosberg
United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton
Austria Infiniti Red Bull Racing Red Bull-Renault RB11[42] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 3
Australia Daniel Ricciardo
Russia Daniil Kvyat
Switzerland   Sauber F1 Team Sauber-Ferrari C34[43] Ferrari P 9
Sweden Marcus Ericsson
Brazil Felipe Nasr
Italy Scuderia Toro Rosso Toro Rosso-Renault STR10[44] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 33
Netherlands Max Verstappen
Spain Carlos Sainz Jr.
United Kingdom Williams Martini Racing Williams-Mercedes FW37[45] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 19
Brazil Felipe Massa
Finland Valtteri Bottas

Of course, this is an extreme size change, but it's to troubleshoot things here. Does this make the problem worse, fix it, or make no difference whatsoever? Googol30 (talk) 23:42, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Googol30, that makes the problem much worse. Here is a screenshot:
In case I hadn't made it clear yet, this is an issue that only occurs on the mobile version of the site. The only mobile browser I have thus far identified not to be affected by this issue is Firefox. All other mobile browser have this problem. I mostly use mobile Safari, but as said other mobile browsers are affected as well. Tvx1 00:37, 29 March 2015 (UTC)


Please edit the default flagicon size in Template:Flagbig/core because the current code {{#if:{{{size|}}}|{{{size}}}|30x27px}} causes incorrect flagbig of Switzerland – see 2015 Davis Cup#World Group. In other words, remove that exception for fixed sizes (if:size|size) and set a new default height, I propose 21 or 22 px. Maiō T. (talk) 21:11, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Fixed size[edit]

I've added parameter fixed size = 23x16px into Template:Country data Switzerland/sandbox, and also added a switch into Template:Flagicon/core/sandbox. I think it will work.

  • Switzerland ← flagicon|Switzerland
  • Switzerland ← flagicon/sandbox|Switzerland/sandbox
  • Switzerland ← flagicon|Switzerland|size=30x30px
  • Switzerland ← flagicon/sandbox|Switzerland/sandbox|size=30x30px

Now we need to edit all articles from Category:Country data templates with distinct default size and also the templates (Except flagbig/core)
Maiō T. (talk) 13:33, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

That is horrible. What are you trying to acomplish? Why pollute the code this way to single out one flag? It doesn't even seem to do anything different. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 14:03, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Since standard-sized flags wouldn't include this "fixed size" parameter, what about just doing this? SiBr4 (talk) 14:20, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
SiBr4, thanks! That's much much better. User:Edokter, what do you say? Maiō T. (talk) 14:59, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
{{{fixed size}}} is redundant here. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 15:58, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
No, it isn't redundant. It's necessary, because Template:flagbig currently uses parameter {{{size}}} of Switzerland (and others, e.g. Vatican City, North Dakota ...) which is 16px. See:



Vatican City
{{flagbig|North Dakota}}

North Dakota

Therefore I'm trying to fix it with "fixed size". Maiō T. (talk) 17:11, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
{{Flagicon/core}} can handle only one size parameter, so it is redundant. This must be fixed in {{flagbig}} to pass the right size. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 17:50, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
No way. {{flagbig}} needs empty {{{size}}} parameter, therefore it's necessary to edit country-data templates – remove {{{size}}} & add {{{fixed size}}}, but this action could corrupt the flag.../core results. So, I need to add just one word into "flag.../core" templates.
Maiō T. (talk) 18:55, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
You completely lost me here. Anything passed with {{{fixed size}}} can be passed with {{{size}}} to {{Flagicon/core}}. Why does it need to be a separate parameter? -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 20:20, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
@Edokter: I just need an empty {{{size}}} parameter in Country-Data articles for correct use in template:flagbig. Currently are 8 flagicons displayed incorrectly with template:flagbig. Maiō T. (talk) 22:49, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Ideally, flags that are larger by default in 23x15px flag templates should be larger by default in other-size flag templates as well. Instead of setting the default for those flags at a certain number of pixels (whether in all templates, as is the case now, or in 23x15px templates only, using the proposed "fixed size"), I added a parameter for relative size increase to the sandboxes:

Flag Flag/sandbox Flagbig Flagbig/sandbox
United Kingdom

United Kingdom
 France  France

  Switzerland  Switzerland/sandbox


Instead of being fixed at 23x16px, the height of the Swiss flag using the sandbox is set at 110% of that of other flags, rounded to an integer number of pixels. That means the height for Switzerland using {{flagbig/sandbox}} is increased from 21px to 23px. SiBr4 (talk) 12:48, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

SiBr4, the {{flagbig/core}} template doesn't require a percentage increase of size; I've edited its sandbox to default 32x23px and the result is the same – see above. Problem with size is only in flag-, flagicon-, flaglink-, and flagu- cores.
Your idea with 110 % is pretty good, but the code seems too long (and for User:Edokter – "horribly" long) (joke)
Your idea with size increase parameter:
– change from  23x15px  to  23x{{#if:{{{size increase|}}}|{{#expr:{{{size increase}}}*15 round 0}}|15}}px
My idea with fixed size parameter:
– change from  23x15px  to  {{{fixed size|23x15px}}}
And the result would be the same.
I propose to edit the flag-, flagicon-, flaglink-, and flagu- cores with "fixed size" parameter or something even shorter.
The second problem is how to achieve a consensus; this is almost a forgotten discussion. Maiō T. (talk) 23:15, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
The code is longer than that for the "fixed size", but it is in no way horrible. While 32x23px may work for Switzerland, don't forget about the flag of Nepal, which would be 2px less tall than Switzerland without any size increase:
Flagbig, fixed at 32x23px
United Kingdom



Flagbig with dynamic height
United Kingdom



Regarding consensus for "fixed size", I'd suggest starting a thread (possibly an RfC) at WP:WPFT and posting a neutral message linking to that on each template's talk page. I'd like the relative size increase option to be considered as well. Note that {{air force}}, {{army}}, {{flagc}}, {{flagcountry}}, {{flagdeco}}, {{flaglist}}, {{flagright}}, {{navy}} and probably more templates also use 23x15 icons. SiBr4 (talk) 11:52, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Note that the "size increase" code can be shortened to 23x{{#expr:{{{size increase|1}}}*15 round 0}}px with the same result (assuming the parameter won't be set to an empty string). I don't know what's better from a performance standpoint.
Or, to avoid expression errors with empty or invalid parameter values, 23x{{#iferror:{{#expr:{{{size increase|1}}}*15 round 0}}|15}}px. SiBr4 (talk) 12:13, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
User:SiBr4 I believe, the people of Nepal will not be angry to us because of 23px height (current Nepal's flagbig is 22px high).
Alternatively, we could enlarge it to 25px through {{{#if}}}: "if no borders then size=32x25"
Maiō T. (talk) 15:21, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Reduction of big flagicons[edit]

Labs is going to be slow[edit]

Heads up: NFS on Labs will be slow for a few days, and then will be offline on March 26, 2015 at 22:00 UTC (less than five minutes). I understand that the point is making backups and setting up disaster recovery mechanisms. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 23:34, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

This is taking longer than expected. Consequently, you didn't have a five-minute outage 25 minutes ago. Maybe in the morning (North America time). Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 22:27, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure exactly what is going on, but tool labs for xtools seems to be completely gone (I tried logging in and it sent me to bastion instead of tools (yes, I know)). The tool is still there, but completely refuses to run due to whatever is going on. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 22:31, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

revision history statistics link[edit]

hi, I asked technical 13 and cyberpowers, and haven't gotten a response so im asking here, the "history revision statistics" link is not working,can anyone help? thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 16:55, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

XTools again[edit]

no webservice, again, for Xtools --Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 18:34, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

See #revision history statistics link

Ditto #Labs is going to be slow

Some users appear to be using User talk:Technical 13 to report these issues. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:24, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Which is fine by me, as a maintainer, of course. I've also seen reports on User talk:Cyberpower678, which is fine too of course (as I watch that page as well). I'll have a much better internet connection tomorrow, and will work on coordinating with @Cyberpower678, Nakon, MusikAnimal: (other xTools maintainers) and touch base with @Coren, YuviPanda: (labs admins) to see what's going on with the labs change where we are as xTools group getting moved into our own instance. I apologize for any inconveniences caused by this outage, and will try to get everything back up as soon as humanly possible. Thank you for your patience. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 19:37, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for being on top of things, T13. I trust youse Labs guys will make us happy asap. --Mareklug talk 02:32, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Soon and very soon[edit]

Looking at e-mail, the "brief service interruption" was an hour or two ago. However, there were some problems. Coren and his team are on it. The first sign that it's working again will be that it's working for you. The second sign that it's all working again will be an announcement (maybe here, maybe in wikitech-l or one of the other mailing lists).

I don't expect it to be much longer. (This may be your cue to post a link to the Dilbert strip about the impossibility of predicting how long it will take to fix an unknown number of bugs.  ;-) Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 23:38, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

This has apparently been fixed. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 04:17, 31 March 2015 (UTC)


Citoid, the automagic citation filling tool, is on its way at last. It's been up at the French and Italian Wikipedias for a while, with positive feedback overall. The time isn't firmly settled, but Wednesday evening UTC is most likely.

Citoid depends upon good TemplateData. Wikipedia:TemplateData/Tutorial explains how to write the basics by hand, but the TemplateData GUI tool is usually faster and easier. It also depends upon external services like Zotero. If your favorite website isn't working, it probably needs a new Zotero entry. The design is less than ideal. There is a book-with-bookmark button for Citoid, next to a now-unlabeled "Cite" menu for filling in citations the old way.

If you have suggestions on how to improve the design, then please leave your comments where the designers are most likely to see them, at mw:Talk:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. If you have any other suggestions or run into problems, then please leave feedback at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. If you would like to see Citoid at another wiki, then you may make that request in Phabricator: by creating a new task under the "Citoid" project. Most requests will probably not be granted for the next couple of weeks, but evidence that TemplateData is current on your main citation templates will likely improve your chances.

Here at the English Wikipedia, you will need to opt-in to VisualEditor via Beta Features to see Citoid. Pre-deployment testing can be done here on Beta Labs. (Before you ask: yes, after getting all the bumps smoothed out, the plan is to make it available in the wikitext editor as well. However, that will likely not be for some months yet.)

Happy editing, Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:14, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Update: This is being delayed for a few days. Monday (late) is the most likely time now. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:49, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Also, is anyone here involved in Zotero? Their BBC and Google Books descriptors are out of date. I think that the BBC News website may have been rearranged last week. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 16:26, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Latest word: This isn't going to happen until Labs is happy again. However, the schedule is looking like maybe tonight, maybe tomorrow. Citoid is likely to appear here pretty shortly after Coren gives the all-clear on Labs. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 23:39, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
It's up. Feel free to give it a try and let me know what you think. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 04:20, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Generate a list of articles I have created[edit]

How can I generate a list of articles I have created? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 18:36, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

With this tool: [1].·maunus · snunɐɯ· 18:39, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Yours is over here. Impressive number by the way. You can access this link from the bottom of your user contributions. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 18:41, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks! I have several hundred more in my user space. I create them based on photos released by the Library of Congress each week at Flickr Commons or from reading the New York Times archive. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 18:51, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
FWIW, it is possible on-wiki as well, though without an option to exclude redirects and page moves. SiBr4 (talk) 19:11, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Hmm, I make a lot of edits but don't create many pages, so my corresponding query stressed the servers:
A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software.

    Function: IndexPager::buildQueryInfo (contributions page unfiltered)
    Error: 2013 Lost connection to MySQL server during query (
-- John of Reading (talk) 19:53, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
The link to your created pages works fine for me – it shows 44 pages, the most recent of which is Louis Legendre (disambiguation). SiBr4 (talk) 20:32, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm surprised it's that many. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:36, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
@Maunus: This tool: [2] you recommended seems to be down. GoingBatty (talk) 00:59, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Works fine for me.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 02:43, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Working now - thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:22, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
This is a long-term problem: the tool (like several others hosted at is often down for periods ranging from minutes to days. What I do is to try later, at increasing intervals (e.g. 2 mins, 10 mins, 1 hour, 6 hours etc.) until it cooperates. If you try too often, you may overload the server, which may be one of the original causes of the downtime. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:32, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Wow, more than I thought! Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:02, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Problems in my Firefox browser history when javascript is on while viewing Wikipedia articles[edit]

A strange issue began a few weeks ago [maybe since Jan 1, 2015] when viewing wikipedia articles: When clicking on a "Contents" link, my Firefox generates SEVERAL EXTRA, identical pages. Also, a more irritating problem is: While reviewing a history list of previously viewed articles, LATER web pages in the 'History' disappear[!!] while reviewing a Wikipedia page (making the currently appearing Wiki the MOST RECENT, and LOSING my LATER viewed web pages). The ONLY way I've found to prevent this, is to TURN OFF JAVASCRIPT while viewing Wikipedia. What happened to Wikipedia? This did NOT happen to me last year using the SAME PC and browser.

NOW I'M GETTING REALLY ANGRY AT THIS !!!!! Every time I try to edit THIS, the "Edit Summary" link WIPES OUT MY QUESTION/COMMENT!!! So much for any DONATIONS!!! I've been trying to alert SOMEONE to the FACT that JAVASCRIPT on Wikepedia keeps WIPING OUT the FIREFOX FORWARD HISTORY after the Wikipedia page being displayed. IT'S A SERIOUS BUG which does NOT occur when JavaScript is OFF!!!!! [And it is NOT MALWARE]

Thanks for reading, Steve [Remembering to sign now] (talk) 22:53, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

You may need to bypass your cache (due to some bad change on the Wikipedia side). I might also suggest you run a malware and virus detection program. --Izno (talk) 23:26, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Please do not remove others' comments added in good faith, per the talk page guidelines. Thanks. --Izno (talk) 17:16, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Do these bad things happen if you try "Help > Restart with add-ons disabled" in the Firefox menu? That might help to narrow down the problem. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:13, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Does the problem still happen if you start Firefox in Safe Mode? (Safe Mode disables extensions and themes, hardware acceleration and some JavaScript stuff in order to exclude some possible reasons for problems. It does not disable plugins which are add-ons.) See . And does this also happen with a new and empty profile? See and . --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 02:39, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

User scripts using the old Sajax framework[edit]

Krinkle posted a message on the wikitech-l mailing list regarding the old "Sajax" AJAX framework, which has been deprecated for a very long time now, and is likely to be removed from MediaWiki altogether before the end of the year. Quite a number of (mainly very old) user scripts still use this old JavaScript library.

There are only two MediaWiki namespace scripts still using Sajax that I can see (MediaWiki:Gadget-dropdown-menus-nonvector.js and MediaWiki:RefToolbarLegacy.js, both of which are nasty-looking old scripts which could use some cleanup). However, the search engine turns up 479 matches in userspace for sajax. So a lot of people need to either update their old user scripts, or get rid of scripts they don't care about anymore.

I guess my point is, just be aware that Sajax will eventually go away one day, so migrate your user scripts to jQuery before it's too late. See mw:ResourceLoader/Legacy_JavaScript#ajax.js for info. Thanks, — This, that and the other (talk) 09:29, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

  • I brought up this basic issue that most of the wiki's JavaScripts will fail to load by the end of the year when I started adding things to Category:JavaScripts using deprecated elements across multiple wikis by tagging JavaScript talk pages with {{JS migration|done=no}} and got the impression that everyone appears to think it is a "it's not broken don't fix it" situation and no-one wants anyone to go around and fix these scripts (I offered and was declined most everyplace I offered). If there is suddenly interest for someone with the ability to fix these things to go around and start fixing them, I would happily fire AWB back up and start tagging talk pages again for the various things that will cause massive script failures this year. I just got so discouraged with the general consensus that no-one cares, that I have given up (and have been saddened to a point where I have little interest in contributing much at the moment). — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 11:00, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
    • I would say, don't do it on your own. Make a separate taskforce board, have people direct their indifference/anger/enthusiasm/ask for assistance there, instead of your talk page.. Another idea is to try and see if you can change the AWB run in such a way that you can skip user scripts that are very likely not even in use by people. Then you might bother fewer people with stuff that they are not interested in. But if you need a break, take time and return later :) —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 18:50, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
      • TheDJ, the template I linked above actually organizes all of the tagged pages. If it is a script that isn't it User: space someplace, it is placed at the top of the queue on the category page. If it is in User: and is not a common.js/skin.js(/global.js on meta), then it is listed next. If it is a common.js/skin.js(/global.js on meta), then it is placed at the very end of the queue so that it is still tagged so those people know there is an issue with their script if they ever come back but there is no rush to fix those scripts and other editors (admins) can decide if they want to fix that level of script or not. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 19:42, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Red dot of love wont go[edit]

The notifications red dot doesn't go after I click on it. Anyone else have this issue? Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:04, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

What OS/browser are you using? --Izno (talk) 19:41, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Firefox. But now I've clicked on Preferences (didn't change anything, just clicked on it), the problem has gone. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 20:01, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
I had this yesterday as well (I think it was yesterday). It went away for me too after I clicked on preferences. I'm also on Firefox (36), and I'm using Ubuntu. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 14:00, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Clicking on preferences worked for me too. --HHill (talk) 14:02, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Weird deletion display error[edit]

For some reason I can't view Forever (U.S. TV series) as it keeps coming up with this error

The revision #0 of the page named "Forever (U.S. TV series)" does not exist.

This is usually caused by following an outdated history link to a page that has been deleted. Details can be found in the deletion log.

And there is nothing in the deletion log. I have tried purging the page with no result. Simply south ...... sitting on fans for just 8 years 23:03, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

It works for me. Is it the url which produces MediaWiki:Missing-revision? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:05, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
In the past couple of days I have seen this multiple times at Germanwings Flight 9525 and once at Ferguson unrest. The workaround is to revert the last edit. In the latter case, the article was out of service for one hour and 16 minutes because the last editor didn't know what to do about it. Definitely not a freak accident and needs attention. ―Mandruss  21:59, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Have noticed this on about a dozen articles over the last few days. Not sure where to escalte this one. Amortias (T)(C) 19:39, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm guessing it needs a report on Phabricator, but I don't know how to do that. PrimeHunter? ―Mandruss  21:28, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Please see mw:How to report a bug. -- (talk) 22:09, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
This bug just struck me while editing United States House of Representatives elections, 1860 – reverting my edit seemed to fix the problem. So, whatever this bug is, it isn't fixed yet... Any word on anyone figuring out what this bug is, and when it might be fixed? TIA... --IJBall (talk) 02:23, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
  • In the past two days I've seen it twice, both times at FAC nominations. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:26, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Is this filed at Phabricator? If not, it's unlikely to receive attention from developers. — This, that and the other (talk) 07:07, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Yes, phab:T94012. --HHill (talk) 09:33, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Really weird[edit]

I have been working on List of Recently, My Sister is Unusual episodes and was about to submit more info when this message appeared "The revision #0 of the page named "List of Recently, My Sister is Unusual episodes" does not exist.

This is usually caused by following an outdated history link to a page that has been deleted. Details can be found in the deletion log."

The deletion log has no record of the page being deleted [3]. There a reason for the message? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:16, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

See #Weird deletion display error above. ―Mandruss  02:18, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, I reverted my edit and replaced the data that I copied just in case and have no issue now. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:20, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Homo ergaster[edit]

What's wrong with the article of Homo ergaster?

The revision #0 of the page named "Homo ergaster" does not exist.

This is usually caused by following an outdated history link to a page that has been deleted. Details can be found in the deletion log. And nothing was found in deletion log.


HenryLi (Talk) 05:13, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

I purged the article and it fixed it. Not sure what caused the error. Killiondude (talk) 05:15, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Weird, it seems that this is occurring more often lately. Mentioned this one in the ticket where this been reported a few times more this month. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 06:16, 31 March 2015 (UTC)


Is there a reason top icons such as Template:Featured article now appear much larger than before? Is there a way to deactivate this change? Seattle (talk) 04:16, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Mr._Stradivarius and Edokter are working on converting all topicons to a system that will work better for different skins (incl mobile), the Visual Editor and live previewing. This might have some temporary side effects for a while, and if you point them out, I'm sure they can fix them. Is Template:Featured_article/sandbox perhaps more alike with what we had before ?? —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 08:39, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
BTW, I personally actually like the new size better. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 08:46, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
20px is now the default for {top icon} (as opposed to the old 15px) as that is the default for the indicator system. Actually not quite true, but the documentaion gives an example using 20px, which does look better. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 08:58, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Would this be why my user page is suddenly not displaying all the FP icons? I don't know if it is possible - or something yourselves are able to do - but could a slightly different icon be devised so FP and FA are not the same, please? SagaciousPhil - Chat 11:58, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
    • You have 27 top icons, but only 15 display. I will have to find out if there is a maximum. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 12:12, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
      • They have all displayed in the past - not sure if it was yesterday or today that it changed to only a few. I know Hafpajen's page has a considerable number but I use a slightly different method for those. SagaciousPhil - Chat 13:24, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
        • Template:FP user topicon hadn't been updated to use the new system yet, so all the featured picture icons were being squashed into one. Now that I've made this edit they should show properly. This is a problem for top icons that are used more than once on a page, and they will need special attention to make sure that all of the icons have a unique |name= value passed to Template:Top icon. If anyone spots any but doesn't know how to fix them, give me a shout and I'll take a look. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 13:57, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Recent change to HTTPS/SSL/TLS settings on en-wiki?[edit]


I use AWB on Linux using wine. It stopped working yesterday morning UTC (26 March 2015) with error "GnuTLS error: An unexpected TLS handshake packet was received", I could not log in (using HTTPS). Testing further, I find that Internet Explorer under wine loading page gives the same error and page doesn't load at all. AWB was working up to around 1800 UTC on Wednesday (25 March 2015). AWB fine under Windows so is clearly some sort of wine/Linux utilities issue, though as none of these have changed on my side, something else must have changed. So has something changed/security been raised on wikipedia side? Thanks Rjwilmsi 09:28, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

mw:MediaWiki 1.25/wmf22 was just deployed. I don't see anything relevant in the change list; take a look and see if anything pops out. -- Gadget850 talk 09:36, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
This is an educated guess. A little while back (a few weeks? months now?) some changes were made to the SSL/TLS infrastructure that made IE6/Windows XP clients no longer able to use our SSL services (due to XP only supporting broken protocols and cipher combinations). My guess is that Wine is similarly impacted by this change and you're seeing it now because your previous login session has ended and you have to log in again. I'm not sure if this is actually the case or what the workaround would be (other than using your native Windows, which seems to work). ^demon[omg plz] 13:29, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Yes, must have been something like that. I have managed to resolve this one, took some faffing. Information for others: resolution on opensuse 13.1 (64 bit, 32 bit WINEARCH) was to install libgnutls28 and libgnutls28-32bit packages from opensuse 13.2 update repo (so version 3.2.18-4.1), replacing the version 3.2.4 packages from opensuse 13.1 oss or 13.1 update repos. Rjwilmsi 10:12, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

False warnings from db-u1 template[edit]

Template {{db-u1}} has started to display its red "Warning: This page was last edited by a user other than the owner of the userspace in which it was used" notice even when actually placed by the real owner. I have encountered two three instances this morning. JohnCD (talk) 11:30, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Please give an example, even if you only know one where the page has been deleted. A test at User:PrimeHunter/sandbox doesn't display the warning. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:26, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
User:TSRL/sandbox/Caudron C.140 and User:Umais Bin Sajjad/sandbox3. JohnCD (talk) 12:44, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
The warning is made by {{#ifeq:{{ROOTPAGENAME}}|{{REVISIONUSER}}||'''Warning: This page was last edited by a user other than the owner of the userspace in which it was used. Please make sure the page was tagged by the correct user before deleting. '''}}. It hasn't been edited recently and should work as far as I can tell. Did it happen at the normal /wiki/ url and not a preview? I don't know why it would happen at a normal page view in your examples. Do you remember the user or time in the statement like "This page was last edited by PrimeHunter (contribs | logs) at 12:24 UTC (45 minutes ago)"? If it happens again then please copy this statement here without deleting the page. I realize somebody else may delete it and you shouldn't edit it to tell others not to delete it. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:21, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't remember what that statement said. The warning occurred in normal view when I clicked on the pages in the speedy deletion queue. You can still see it in preview mode if you look at the last revision before deletion in the examples I linked. No U1s in the queue at the moment, I'll keep an eye open. JohnCD (talk) 14:01, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
If you preview a page then {{REVISIONUSER}} returns your own name so the warning will always be displayed in a preview, unless you are viewing a page in your own userspace where {{ROOTPAGENAME}} also returns your username. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
JohnCD and PrimeHunter, see User:Nyttend/TESTING. This is definitely a malfunctioning template. Please don't delete the page yet; please wait until I ask for it. Nyttend (talk) 15:57, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
That's odd - I was just coming to say it must have been a temporary glitch, because I made a test page from an alternate account which behaved normally, and I have since had a live one from CAT:CSD with no problem. JohnCD (talk) 16:00, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
I just opened a new tab to view it (no edits have been made since I left a note here), and the warning's gone. No explanation that I can see. Nyttend (talk) 16:07, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
For me it doesn't display the warning and it correctly says: "This page was last edited by Nyttend (contribs | logs) at 15:57 UTC (10 minutes ago)". What does it say for you? Caching means the time may look wrong but don't worry about that. I wonder whether some servers don't have access to the right value of {{REVISIONUSER}}, but it's hard to say if nobody seeing the error reports what it says. The html source says "Parsed by mw1050" for me. If anybody sees the warning then PLEASE report what it says below, and also in the html source if you know how to see that in your browser. In many browsers you can do a Ctrl+f search on "Parsed by" when you view the html source. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:10, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
When I first created the page, it gave a big Warning: This page was last edited by a user other than the owner of the userspace in which it was used. Please make sure the page was tagged by the correct user before deleting. I then edited it to fix the {{ambox}}, and the warning was the same. Nyttend (talk) 16:25, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Here's another: User:Varant Dndlian. Message just says "This page was last edited at 16:10 UTC (0 seconds ago)" without mentioning a user. JohnCD (talk) 16:15, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
For me it didn't display the warning and said "This page was last edited by Varant Dndlian (contribs | logs) at 16:10 UTC (8 minutes ago)". It has since been deleted. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:21, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
I just now created User:Nyttend/TESTING 2 and got the same situation. The template begins with the ordinary "This user page may meet..." and concludes with "...that has been moved. See CSD U1. Warning: This page was last edited by a user other than the owner of the userspace in which it was used. Please make sure the page was tagged by the correct user before deleting.

If this user page does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion, please remove this notice. This page was last edited at 16:26 UTC (0 seconds ago)" Note that it doesn't know who tagged it! I don't know what to do to fix the situation. Nyttend (talk) 16:28, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
TESTING seems to be ok for me, while TESTING2 is still broken and does not mention who edited the page last, just the time. KonveyorBelt 16:52, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
I looked at TESTING2 and it still showed the red warning: then I purged it (using the clock/purge gadget), the red warning disappeared and the message changed to "This page was last edited by Nyttend..." JohnCD (talk) 18:46, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
"(0 seconds ago)" indicates the page was rendered at the original save and has not been purged since. {{db-meta}} only displays who last edited it if {{REVISIONUSER}} is non-blank: {{#if: {{REVISIONUSER}} | by [[{{ns:2}}:{{REVISIONUSER}}|{{REVISIONUSER}}]] <small>{{toolbar|1=[[Special:Contributions/{{REVISIONUSER}}|contribs]]|2=[[Special:Log/{{REVISIONUSER}}|logs]]}}</small> }}. So the problem is apparently that {{REVISIONUSER}} can be blank. We could consider coding {{db-u1}} to only display the warning if {{REVISIONUSER}} is both non-blank and different from {{ROOTPAGENAME}}. Template talk:Db-meta/Archive 2#Add some magic keywords about the last editor and the last revision and [5] shows the test has always been there, but doesn't mention that it might be blank. Maybe the test was only added originally in 2009 by Church of emacs because the magic word was brand new and not because it was actually expected to sometimes return blank. The possibility isn't mentioned at mw:REVISIONUSER. I edited User:PrimeHunter/sandbox to always display {{REVISIONUSER}}. I got the warning and a blank {{REVISIONUSER}} on the original save. A purge fixed it. If this issue has not been noticed before then maybe it's new that {{REVISIONUSER}} can fail on the original save. If somebody sees the warning on a page which does not say "(0 seconds ago)" then please report what it says, including a username if it's displayed. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:58, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Deep down, {{db-user}} invokes Module:Message box. I suspect that this shares a problem with {{asbox}}-based templates (i.e. stubs), where a double save is normally necessary to categorise the page correctly. That is, when I created these seven stubs, they correctly showed cats in the box at the bottom, but on following those links to the cat page, the templates were not listed there. Performing a WP:NULLEDIT on the new template fixed it (this is not a new problem, see Template talk:Asbox#Categorization of stub tags doesn't work on creation). So, if a user adds {{db-user}} and gets that red error message, does it disappear if they WP:NULLEDIT the page? --Redrose64 (talk) 18:03, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I just encountered another example at User:Dodger67/Sandbox/Link-ZA. The message was "This page was last edited at 21:09 UTC (0 seconds ago)". When I purged the page (with the clock/purge gadget) the red warning disappeared and the message changed to "This page was last edited by Dodger67 (contribs | logs) at 21:09 UTC (4 minutes ago)"

There is certainly something new going on here. I have been doing U1 deletions for years and have never encountered this message before (except where the requester really was a different account), but today it is happening all the time. JohnCD (talk) 21:21, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

I have changed {{Db-u1}} to display "Purge to see last editor" instead of a warning if {{REVISIONUSER}} is blank.[6] PrimeHunter (talk) 11:48, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! I can confirm that things are working better now. I recreated User:Nyttend/TESTING with only {{db-u1}} and got the "Purge to see last editor" upon creation, and when I purged, the warning disappeared; all is well. I then went to the userspace of my public-computer sock and created User:Nyttend backup/TESTING; again the purge message appeared, and when I purged, the big red warning properly appeared. Nyttend (talk) 12:28, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Thanks, that works. I have deleted five live U1s today, three with the "Purge" message (which without your fix would presumably have been showing the red warning) and two without. Do we know why this problem suddenly appeared yesterday? It must have been caused by some change in the underlying system? JohnCD (talk) 21:13, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Might this be related to #Weird deletion display error? Nil Einne (talk) 12:58, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

GeoGroupTemplate again[edit]

{{GeoGroupTemplate}} was recently switched to use OpenStreetMap after Google stopped supporting the relevant service. It initially worked well, but now it's not doing anything; do we know what's wrong? If you go to National Register of Historic Places listings in Belmont County, Ohio and click the OSM link, it takes you to this page, which just sits there, nothing but whitespace. The tool itself looks like it's working fine, since the Bing link goes to this page, which displays as expected. It's not vandalism to the Belmont County page; I've gotten similar results from pages in my userspace that use this template, and they've not been edited by anyone except for me. The last edit to the template itself was by Doncram, just moving Bing-related text and not touching the OSM stuff, and anyway it was working a day or two after he edited it. I also don't see anything weird with Special:RecentChangesLinked. I've tried this with Windows 8.1, using both IE11 and Firefox 36.0.4. Nyttend backup (talk) 13:28, 27 March 2015 (UTC) seems to be completely down. de:Wikipedia:Technik/Labs/Tools#Geo gives a start page which is also blank. The tool maintainers are listed at They link to German user pages. I don't currently see any reports of the problem at de:Benutzer Diskussion:Plenz or de:Benutzer Diskussion:Kolossos. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:38, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
See my post of 11:32, 26 March 2015 regarding the reliability of - i.e. try again, but not too often. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:17, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw it yesterday — I was going to report this then, but I decided to wait and try again every several hours. I didn't notice that the OSM tool is different from the Bing tool; that's why I was confused, since I thought the same tool was working for one thing but not for another. Nyttend (talk) 15:54, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Need assistance over image files[edit]

I left a message at User talk:Mark Arsten#Image file restoration over image files, but now I just realised that the user is not active anymore. Can anyone please help me?

The message I left:

  1. I uploaded a screenshot of Marceline from Adventure Time intro at File:Adventure Time - Marceline.png, but someone put a new version of the file with another image of the character, and the older version I put has gone. As the Fair Use Rationale (that I put) became useless (since that new image doesn't match the description), and I have no way to recover the original, I simply removed the rationale from that file. Now, the file is going to be deleted within a few days because it has no rationale. Can you recover the original image for me? (It's Marceline holding a red axe bass.)
  2. I once requested you to restore File:Fosters intertitle.jpg, and you did it. But then I was busy and I forgot to replace Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends article's infobox image with the file. Can you restore the file once again? I'll replace the image within the days given.
JSH-alive/talk/cont/mail 15:37, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

JSH-alive/talk/cont/mail 16:56, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done I have completed both of these requests. -- Diannaa (talk) 23:04, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you very much! JSH-alive/talk/cont/mail 14:59, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

How possible is it to alter conventions for within header title presentation?[edit]

I have just presented a proposal at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Proposed change for headers (allowing parenthesis texts to be used at reduced sized).

I anyone advise regarding the practicalities of the proposals. Depending on both the practicalities and editor reactions a next step might be to convert the thread to an RfC. GregKaye 11:41, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Template:Winners vs. Template:Winners-other[edit]

Hello everybody, what's your opinion on these flagicons? A year ago, they were the same (100px wide). But then came one user and (without any discussion) reduced it to 50px and then once more. I think, the best would be something in between. Maiō T. (talk) 20:03, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Why is this a VPT matter? Surely it would be better discussed at Template talk:Winners or Template talk:Winners-other? --Redrose64 (talk) 20:10, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Okay, this discussion continues at Template talk:Winners. Maiō T. (talk) 22:24, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Error message on user page[edit]

I don’t know how long it’s been there, but I just noticed my user page sporting an error message at the top: Error: Page status indicators' name attribute must not be empty. I’m pretty sure it wasn‘t there when I last saved the page in 2013, so I guess it has to do with a template that’s since been modified—but I can’t see any empty “name=” fields in my wikitext, so I’m quite at a loss in identifying the cause and the offending element. Any suggestions as to what’s producing the error or how to fix it?—Odysseus1479 21:25, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Look at template:top icon template and add a name=something parameter. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:51, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
And how I worked it out is to delete chunks of your user page till the error went away. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:52, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, @Graeme Bartlett! Believe it or not, that was my prime suspect—but I’d more or less ruled it out because {{Top icon}} makes no mention of a “name” parameter. How did you know to add one, when it’s not described in the documentation—do all templates have a “name” parameter, whether or not it’s explicit? And why was it OK until (?somewhat) recently?—Odysseus1479 22:05, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
If you suspected, you should have tried a preview with it removed yourself! I tried to add a name=graphic parameter because the error message said name was missing. Although it is not in the documentation it is in the source code. Not all templates have a name= parameter, and I don't even know why this is needed for in top icon. I suggest you look at the history, as I know there was an an announcement of a change to top icon recently. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:28, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Suppressing redirects[edit]

Without a major software change would it be possible to either automatically or give users the option to suppress the creation of redirects upon moves in certain namespaces, but not others? Kharkiv07Talk 21:37, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes; admins are able to suppress the creation of redirects upon moves (the checkbox is called "Leave a redirect behind", enabled by default, and admins have the ability to deselect it). Giving this option to regular users has has been suggested before, but declined because of the potential for page move vandalism. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:41, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
But my question is if it could be done in specific namespaces, namely user and draft. Kharkiv07Talk 23:42, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Most templates in category[edit]

I have a category X, which is populated with articles. And I have templates A, B, C, D, E, F, which (to some articles in category — none, some — few, maybe some — all) are used in articles from category X. Is it possible (with quarry, I suppose) to get information, which articles has the most of those six templates. And article with B, C, D (in this case) is the same as article with A, E, F, I just need the number. The desired result would be:

Article Template count
Article1 6
Article2 6
Article3 3
Article4 1
Article5 0

If it's possible with quarry, then maybe somebody could write the SQL query, at least the skeleton. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 23:24, 28 March 2015 (UTC)


Am I the only one who sees "Edit links" link on Main page and Recent changes page? noexternallanglinks isn't working? --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 07:51, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Confirmation message for un-watchlisting a page?[edit]

Just noticed for the first time, that un-watching pages shows a warning message "Remove this page from your watchlist?" with a "Yes" button to click. Some problems with it:

  1. The message has only a "yes" option (without "no" such a warning is fairly pointless).
  2. It seems to show up only the first time for every page.
  3. After clicking "yes", the blue star to indicate watch-status is not actualized (and the affected page is not reloaded).

This archived thread Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_110#Unwatch_bug.3F mentions, that this extra message was caused by the Wikimedia software in the past. Is is possible to disable that bugged feature? (I searched my gadgets and preferences, but couldn't find it). I am using vector skin, Windows XP and FF (latest version). GermanJoe (talk) 11:13, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

This is the HTML fallback. You must have a Javascript problems or something. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 12:57, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
I had the problem like 10 times before posting here, but couldn't force another occurence since then. Should I try Java tracing and logging or how can I see, which method/problem caused the fallback? It seems to be very sporadic and only happened in the last few days afaik (but now I am curious). Current Java version is (Build 1.8.0_31-b13). GermanJoe (talk) 13:36, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
The default behaviour is to confirm all watch/unwatch requests. However, when you watch/unwatch a page using the white/blue star (Vector) or the watch/unwatch tab (MonoBook), the URL that is sent includes a token which tells the MediaWiki servers which page you wish to watch/unwatch. If this matches the pagename in the URL, the confirmation step is skipped. Thus, if the page names differ, or the token is corrupt or missing, it falls back to requesting confirmation. You can see the confirmation step in action by using a URL without a token: {{Watch|Example}}watch --Redrose64 (talk) 14:21, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Maybe the connection is just too slow at times or some background process is not finished (I noticed, that "loading data" is sometimes still displayed in the footer while the page is already fully available). I'll keep watching for this. Thanks for providing all that background information, it's very helpful to understand the situation. GermanJoe (talk) 15:45, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Yahoo and Bing search[edit]

When searching for this article 2012 Virginia Beach F/A-18 Crash using Yahoo or Bing they go to a deleted version from 2012. A Google search will lead to the most recent version. Can't figure why. Samf4u (talk) 16:42, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Yahoo! Search is powered by Bing so it's not unexpected that they give the same result. They both give a blurb from the current 2012 Virginia Beach F/A-18 Crash with uppercase C in Crash, and write the title as "2012 Virginia Beach F/A-18 Crash" with uppercase C. But they both link the search to the deleted 2012 Virginia Beach F/A-18 crash with lowercase c. That's odd. It appears that either we served the upper case C version on the lowercase c url when Bing read and cached the page 16-03-2015, or Bing corrupted the url in their database. All links ("Article", "Talk" and so on) in Bing's cached version go to uppercase C. I guess this is Bing's error but it could also be ours. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:44, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for looking into this Prime Hunter. The issue has been resolved by changing capital C in crash to a lower case c by Izno (talk). Samf4u (talk) 20:39, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
That actually doesn't fix the problem per se, I was just following WP:AT when I moved it. --Izno (talk) 21:30, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Article count jumps by 100,000 in a day...[edit]

I asked a question about the fact that the total number of articles increased by 100,000 overnight (Statistics page) on the Main Page talkpage and was told to bring it up here. I've included the entire conversation for context. I'm particularly interested if anyone can confirm what Dragons flight is saying. If the article count is indeed manually updated every now and then, how often does such an update take place? I've been closely following the article count since February 2013, and this is the first time I've seen the article count increase so dramatically. Anyway, I'd be very grateful for any light you can shine on this matter. Thanks! AmericanLemming (talk) 21:04, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

The Main Page lists the total number of articles on the English Wikipedia, and normally that increases by 1,000 articles a day, give or take a few hundred. However, between yesterday and today the article count jumped from about 4,753,000 to about 4,848,000. That's an increase of roughly 95,000 overnight. Either the counting methodology has been changed to include tens of thousands of articles that were simply being left out previously, or some software bug has started counting non-mainspace pages as articles. I know this talk page isn't really the best place to bring this up, but I'm not really sure what the proper forum for such a question is; for all I know the folks at WMF are responsible for the Statistics page, which even admins can't edit. AmericanLemming (talk) 19:36, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

I'd suggest bringing it up at the Village Pump. 331dot (talk) 20:14, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
The running tally is somewhat approximate. It attempts to increment / decrement the count every time an article is added / deleted. Occasionally though it gets confused and misses one. The fix is to periodically update the tally by counting every article in the database, which is more accurate but too slow to use routinely. My guess is that the jump was triggered by such an update, though I don't know that for sure. The more accurate offline stats have shown 4.8 million articles since December [7]. Dragons flight (talk) 20:16, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Main Page talkpage
Main Page is cached many times daily at*/ The four caches currently listed early today don't have the jump. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:19, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
The last cache shows 4,752,922 (6:04:37 Mar 29, 2015, whatever timezone the wayback machine dispays). The current number shown is 4,847,959 (21:39 Mar 29, 2015 UTC) – an increase of 95,037 since the last cache, so the jump has yet to make it to the cache. —Quondum 21:41, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
I believe such an update occurs automatically once a month ([see]). HTH, Elitre (WMF) (talk) 14:27, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Possibly relevant; of the new page_ids created over the last 30 days, the range of 450000 ids from 45720000-46169999 looks decidedly odd, containing as it does 448500 user_talk pages (99.6%) and only 479 main namespace articles. - #TB (talk)
Red herring. User:MediaWiki message delivery created these user pages while delivering messages about account renaming between 21:28, 19 March 2015 (User_talk:-Y-) and 04:27, 20 March 2015‎ (User talk:NiKe). - TB (talk) 16:07, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
These statistics had many errors over the years and previously, it had to be manually fixed by running a maintenance script. The script is now run once a month starting from this month onwards. See also [8] [9] [10] Glaisher (talk) 16:13, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the pointers, everyone. I get the sense that although no one can definitively tell me that the drastic jump in article count is legitimate, it is more likely to be legitimate than not. It's probably not a bug or human error. And if what Glaisher says about this article-count fixing script is true, then I expect that in the future the adjustments it makes to the article count will be much, much smaller, owing to it running so often. I'd imagine that this kind of manually fixing hasn't been done for years, which is why the true article count is so much higher than the automatically generated article count. Running the script monthly should keep the displayed article count much closer to the true count. AmericanLemming (talk) 04:01, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Quick reasoning for Template Editor protection level?[edit]

I'm feeling lazy so can someone answer a quick question, please. Was the main reason for implementing the "template-protected" protection level 1) downgrading protection from sysop level in those templates that can be edited by experts, or was it 2) upgrading protection from semi-protection to combat serious vandalism? Or both? I am thinking about an additional protection level for fi-wiki and need some info. Links are welcome, too. --Pxos (talk) 21:26, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

  • WP:PINKLOCK This is a protection level that replaces full protection on pages that are merely protected due to high transclusion rates, rather than content disputes. It should only be used on templates whose risk factor would have otherwise warranted full protection. It should not be used on less risky templates on the grounds that the template editor user right exists – the existence of the right should not result in more templates becoming uneditable for the general editing community.{{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 21:42, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! I'm now a bit embarassed because I was too lazy. I even managed to find the RfC now. --Pxos (talk) 22:00, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

WMF donation appeal blocked my viewing of Wikipedia, with no option to dismiss[edit]

I have a link to my contributions page on my smartphone, and I checked it just now to see if the page I most recently edited was still "current" or if it had been edited. Unfortunately, I was taken to 1 (archived at 2), which has no obvious way to leave the donation page to get to the page I wanted to see. This must be some sort of fundraising error, right? Shouldn't there be a prominent option to leave the donation page to actually get to the Wikipedia page I chose to see? Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) pls notify me (i.e. {{U}}) while signing a reply, thx 02:55, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Obviously you have to make a donation before you can proceed. Just kidding. I can't help much with the problem, but here's a link to your contribs if that will help. I'm ignorant as to the mobile platform and unclear as to whether you were able to get there via a different route. ―Mandruss  03:03, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
I don't think users can be redirected from to You probably got a donation banner here at and clicked it without realizing it. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:07, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. That seems very possible, as my phone does do funny things. Biosthmors (talk) pls notify me (i.e. {{U}}) while signing a reply, thx 21:02, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


I've had two people ping me in a post when they replied to me right? But I never got a notification that they mentioned me. I noticed that they did the Template:Name here thing correctly. Using a phone and browser with no app downloaded. I should have gotten a notification here and at the Teahouse from that user and EoReD (something like that) respectively. Anyone that replies, ping me to see if it works too. I'll say if I got a notification and I'll keep checking back here just to make sure. Sorry if this is written terribly. DangerousJXD (talk) 06:06, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

@DangerousJXD: The message to you at User talk:Human3015 wasn't signed. From Wikipedia:Notifications, "Note that the post containing a link to a user page must be signed" -- John of Reading (talk) 06:45, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

HTTP becomes HTTPS[edit]

A ref on Laser cutting#Pulsing at the end of the section ...from adhering to the side of the hole or cut. has an external link to However, Wikipedia appears to redirect to the secure version HTTPS://... web site does not appear to handle https, so it uses http. IE as well as Chrome responds with something like: There is a problem with this website’s security certificate... Is there a way of having the the EL use HTTP: rather than HTTPS: so that this problem does not occur? Thanks Jim1138 (talk) 07:26, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

The redirection from http to https is at the target, it's an issue in their server. You could of course bypass the redirect and go directly to https, but in both cases Chrome will inform users that something with their certificates isn't as it should be (for a value of "should" determined by the Chromium project, not necessarily matching any IETF RFC.) –Be..anyone (talk) 07:42, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Sadly misconfigured HTTPS variants of sites are very common, a big issue is when the site is served by a CDN but of course the certificate is for the CDN not the site's domain. But in this case it seems there's a simple solution as the problem is simply that the certificate is for a different subdomain, which seems to serve the content fine [11] Nil Einne (talk) 12:43, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Nil Einne Thanks for fixing the link too! Also updated Laser drilling Jim1138 (talk) 17:15, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Parser function to determine if an image is on Commons?[edit]

I have a great disdain for the template {{Keep local}}. Among my (innumerable) problems with the template is that it says that the image might be on Commons with the same filename when, for the overwhelming majority of images that use the template, the Commons image does not actually exist. Is there any way that we could suppress the link from showing up if a Commons image with that filename does not actually exist? Some kind of #ifexist for detecting whether the page exists at Commons? --B (talk) 14:42, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Use {{#ifexist:Media:...}} instead of {{#ifexist:File:...}} to determine whether a file (as opposed to a local file page) exists at a title. For example, File:Example.svg is a Commons file without local description page, so {{#ifexist:Media:Example.svg|exists|doesn't exist}} returns "exists" while {{#ifexist:File:Example.svg|exists|doesn't exist}} returns "doesn't exist". SiBr4 (talk) 16:31, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
The above method cannot detect whether a given file is a local file, a Commons file or both, though, so it won't be usable for the {{keep local}} template. SiBr4 (talk) 19:24, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
You are supposed to use {{keep local|file name on Commons}} if the file is available somewhere on Commons. --Stefan2 (talk) 22:21, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
There are several cases and what would be nice would be to have them completely separated:
  1. Images that are not on Commons and never should be on Commons because they are copyrighted in their country of origin. These should not be using keeplocal at all - there's a different template for that.
  2. Images that would not be useful on Commons because they are someone's user page files or something else that is useless anywhere but this particular wiki. Again, this template should not even be used for those.
  3. Images that are not (yet) on Commons, but would be legitimate for moving there.
  4. Images that actually are on Commons, but the uploader has asked that a local copy be kept here (for whatever reason).
There is some benefit to be gained from having these four groups of images categorized separately. Well, there's no way that the template is going to fix #1 and #2. But there would be at least some benefit to the template (a) being able to put #4 in its own category and (b) not showing a link to a Commons image and telling the user it "might" exist, when it actually does not exist. --B (talk) 03:06, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-14[edit]

15:19, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

MediaWiki error performing transwiki[edit]

I just transwiki'd two pages requested at WP:RFPI, (User:Dan Koehl/Ditmar Koel; User:Dan Koehl/Alfred Brazier Howell). In both cases the import failed with a try again server error, but the page history WAS imported. However, the log entry was not created on the import log or in the page history. (Ping to @Graham87: for awareness). Any suggestions? — xaosflux Talk 17:52, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

See phab:T94325 Glaisher (talk) 17:54, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you @Glaisher: that's exactly the issue; subscribed to the bug. — xaosflux Talk 17:57, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

New editnotice created, but it doesn't appear when the page is edited[edit]

Yes check.svg Done Fixes to this notice's parameter, mediawiki, and templates - great community response to resolve all quickly. — xaosflux Talk 02:36, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

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We created a new editnotice at:

Template:Editnotices/Page/Comparison of EDA software when we try to edit the associated article (Comparison of EDA software) the text the template carries doesn't appear at all. Any clues? Thanks! SageGreenRider (talk) 21:00, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

  • Little more detail. When you mouse over the link for the editnotice for the page, navpop shows the source for the edit notice, but it doesn't display (at least not with wikEd enabled, I haven't tested other ways). — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 21:30, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
There have been some changes to the edit notice system. I pinged User:Catrope and USer:Krinkle on IRC, it'll take a few minutes. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 21:41, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Other mainspace pages w/editnotices, e.g. One Direction show the same problem, but Talk:One Direction shows its editnotice correctly. For those which fail to display, when edit the page (whole page or single section) the top and left menus are reduced to 90% of normal size. This has happened before somewhere, IIRC there was an unclosed <div> which set 90% font size. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:45, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Seems to be related to recent changes at MediaWiki:Editnotice-notext. I just deleted this message to revert it to default. @Krinkle:; @Technical 13:. — xaosflux Talk 21:56, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: The MediaWiki:Editnotice-notext page is harmless. It makes something appear after Template:Editnotice load has been tried first. It can only make something appear where there would otherwise be nothing. It cannot cause something to disappear. Krinkle (talk) 21:58, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Well for Template:Editnotices/Page/Comparison of EDA software the problem is just user error, there is no param value "infinite", it should be "indefinite" —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 21:59, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Also, if Template:Editnotice load/notext is being loaded to MediaWiki, shouldn't it be full-protected? But something else is going on here; now with that message deleted I'm not getting prompts to create page notices/etc. I'm going to be offline for a few hours, please update here any other changes. — xaosflux Talk 22:02, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Deleted the bad expiry parameter, appearing now. This is failing in a very poor way though. — xaosflux Talk 22:04, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Restored the deleted mediawiki message, protected the transcluded template as well. — xaosflux Talk 22:07, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
It's not "all good now". When I edit Wikipedia talk:Editnotice, the 90% size problem is there - and that page doesn't even have an editnotice. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:35, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) If a page does not have an edit notice then the MonoBook edit window currently reduces the font size on tabs and the sidebar, at least for me in Firefox. Compare and I don't usually use MonoBook so I don't know how recent this problem is but I suspect it was caused by edits by Krinkle to MediaWiki:Editnotice-notext or a related page in response to this section. It doesn't happen if there is an edit notice, for example for PrimeHunter (talk) 22:37, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Fixed the font-size problem in Template:Editnotice load/notext/core. Krinkle (talk) 22:52, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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How do new features get implemented?[edit]

I've been on Wikipedia for a long time, but have no knowledge of the technical things that go on behind the scenes. Recently, I had the thought that it would be nice to get e-mail notifications whenever specific articles on my watchlist are edited. A feature similar to this already exists, but it only works for the watchlist as a whole - pretty much useless, considering the vast number of articles that I'm watching and the small fraction of them that I would actually want to receive e-mails for. I went to the Help Desk to ask about this and was told that it's a perennial proposal. Then I came across this page [28] on phabricator (a website that I have no familiarity with) and was shocked to discover that requests for this feature date all the way back to 2006! So naturally, I'm wondering why nothing like this has been implemented yet. Another editor that I've talked with expressed the opinion that it wouldn't actually be all that hard for someone to design, if only someone would put in the time of doing so. Which leads me to the question - how do new features get selected to be worked on? Do individual editors just design whatever features they feel like working on, or is there a group of some sort that establishes a consensus on what the project will be? I'd really like to see this feature become a reality, but am worried that another decade might pass before that happens. If there's some process that I could go through to support this feature, I'd like to do so, but am unsure what could be done. --Jpcase (talk) 22:12, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Here's a possible workaround:
  1. Create a second account for maintenance (It's legit to do so provided you declare each account on the other's user page. See WP:VALIDALT for the do's and don't's)
  2. Create a small watchlist on one account and have it emailed
  3. Create a big watchlist on the other account and don't have it emailed

hth, @Jpcase SageGreenRider (talk) 22:27, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

@SageGreenRider: Thanks SageGreenRider. Someone actually made that suggestion to me at the Help Desk already. Apparently, once an e-mail is sent for a page, no more e-mails will be sent for it, until I've looked at that page through the account that is signed up for the e-mail notifications. Since I have no interest in actually using an alternative account, it would be a bit of a bother to have sign in and out of two different accounts just to keep getting e-mails. --Jpcase (talk) 22:36, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
If it's easier for you (I suspect it wouldn't be) to change browser than to sign in and out then you could have another browser which uses "Keep me logged in (for up to 30 days)" to always be logged in to the second account. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:58, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

OK, @Jpcase, how about you set up your email inbox so that it puts the email from wikipedia into a low priority folder if it doesn't contain important keywords and a high priority folder if it does contain the keywords/article names you care about? SageGreenRider (talk) 23:01, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: @SageGreenRider: Thanks PrimeHunter and SageGreenRider for your suggestions. I may try one of those ideas, but would still like to see the above-mentioned feature implemented. Do either of you know who would be responsible for seeing something like this designed? Is it just up to individual editors to decide what they want to design? Or would there be a specific group that takes on these issues? --Jpcase (talk) 23:06, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

@Jpcase Sorry, I don't know it works. My guess would be people just work on things that a) they have the skill set for and b) they find useful themselves. SageGreenRider (talk) 23:18, 30 March 2015 (UTC) the way, risking lapsing into cyber-psychology here, I'm reminded of a story attributed to the Buddha, something like this: "A red-faced farmer runs up to a group of monks and says 'Have my cows come this way? They broke the pasture fence and trampled all my sesame plants and escaped. I'm ruined. Have you seen them?' The head monk says 'Sorry, no, we've seen no cows all day' The farmer runs off shouting madly. The head monk says to the other monks 'Be thankful you have no cows. Be thankful you have no sesame fields. The farmer has made his own Hell' My point (and I do have one) is that maybe you are being a tad obsessive about your watchlist and you've "made your own Hell" so to speak. Why not forget the email thing, trim down your watchlist, and just look at recent changes when you log in? hth SageGreenRider (talk) 23:40, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Because people sort of expect me to show up at certain pages whenever they post. The feature he'd like would be helpful to me, at least until WP:Flow creates a decent feed (to serve up all the discussions wanting my attention on a silver platter one page  ;-). Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 23:42, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
It's only Wikipedia. Feel free to disappoint those people. ;-) SageGreenRider (talk) 23:52, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
@SageGreenRider: Thanks for the sage advice Sage. ;) You're probably right that I should cut down my watchlist, but the main reason that I'm wanting an option for article-specific e-mail notifications, is so that if I'm waiting for a response from someone on a talk page, I won't have to actually check in on Wikipedia to know when they've gotten back to me - rather, I could just check my smartphone to see if I have any new e-mails. It would make it much easier for me to move my mind onto other things.
Anyways, I registered at phabricator, left a message there, and lo and behold - someone actually said that they've decided to start working on it. So we'll see what happens. :) --Jpcase (talk) 00:55, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Ok good luck, but I'm merely the owner of a sage green bicycle, not a sage per se. SageGreenRider (talk) 01:06, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

To answer the original question, Mediawiki (the software that runs Wikipedia) is maintained by a mixture of volunteers and staff paid by the Wikimedia Foundation. In addition to keeping the site running, the WMF staff tend to focus more on big tasks and long-term goals. Hence the development they lead tends to be more big picture. Smaller changes are more often made by volunteers poking at things. Anyone can Become a Mediawiki Hacker, assuming you know (or can learn) PHP, Mediawiki's code conventions, and associated things. Anyone can submit potential changes to the codebase, which are handled through git / gerrit [29], and then developers discuss changes and incorporate the good ones into what we actually run. Discussion of bugs and feature requests generally happens on phabricator [30], on mailing lists (e.g. wikitech-l), or on IRC. See developer hub for more info on contacting developers. However, unless you can do the development yourself, or convince a volunteer to do it for you, then you probably won't see the changes you hope for any time soon. Dragons flight (talk) 04:15, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

This request in particular is one of the many tasks that are 'in between'. Too big for a single developer to take on (most definitely considering return value), too small and insignificant for the WMF to take on (they deal with much bigger problems). That basically makes it end up in the waiting chamber, where it will probably be until either we have an excess of resources (unlikely :) ) or a very determined volunteer who wants this for himself.
Also remember that there are always thousands of bugs and feature requests in hundreds of subprojects open at any one time, and that many of this are 'super tasks', that still need to be split into a couple more micro tasks, before they will be solved.
The oldest task is currently from October 2004, but that is probably because dates were not imported from the system that was used before 2004. We regularly solve issues that have been requested some 6 years ago. Over the last 3 months, I myself have been steadily making progress on getting ajax previews for the edit page working, something for which every wiki has a gadget, and that was blocked in core for multiple years for various reasons. Due to investments of teams like VisualEditor etc, into the core of MediaWiki some of these blockers are starting to disappear and the functionality suddenly becomes 'feasible' to add for a little volunteer developer like me. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 12:02, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Special:Preferences looking weird?[edit]

Is it just me, or is Special:Preferences looking a bit weird right now? The tabs of settings have somehow disappeared and turned into a list of bullets, like this:

  • User profile
  • Appearance
  • Editing
  • Recent changes
  • Watchlist
  • Gadgets
  • Notifications
  • Beta features

I have this issue on both Chrome and Firefox. Tony Tan98 · talk 01:00, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

It looks the same as ever to me. Cache issue? SageGreenRider (talk) 02:34, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
It's been fixed, somehow. :) Tony Tan98 · talk 02:42, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
It also happened to me in Vector at the same time but went back to normal. MonoBook was not affected. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:19, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
@Tony Tan 98: The tabs at Special:Preferences, like the tabs along the top of any other page, are essentially an unordered HTML list - styled to display as a horizontal row with boxes drawn around each item, rather than a vertical stack of bulleted items. The styling depends upon several CSS and JavaScript files being served with the page proper, and if one of these CSS or JavaScript files fails to be received by your browser, or is corrupted, the styling can be affected. A WP:BYPASS will usually fix it, unless the relevant WikiMedia server is down. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:27, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Toolserver down?[edit]

Whenever I click a Toolserver-based coordinates feature, I end up at a blank white page with my browser constantly indicating that it's waiting or trying to load a page; this has happened both in IE11 and in whatever the latest edition of Firefox is. It's not the same as the OSM error that I reported a few days ago: yes, clicking the OSM link in {{GeoGroupTemplate}} at User:Nyttend/Pennsylvania NRHP/Westmoreland results in this blank white page, but I get the same result whenever I click on a single coordinates tag (for example, this link for the Bells Mills bridge at the Westmoreland list, the coords immediately below "West of Yukon"), even though the resulting page is a general Toolserver page and not something dependent on OSM. What could be wrong? Maybe I'm just sleepy (past 2AM here; I'm normally asleep well before now), but it seems like a weird malfunction. Nyttend (talk) 06:12, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

I think it is down and has been all day. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 06:39, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
But things were working fine "earlier", i.e. at least as late as midnight my time. Until I finished what I was doing, and began closing tabs, I had several tabs running with Toolserver-placed coordinates from earlier in the evening. Nyttend (talk) 06:43, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Nyttend There was a scheduled maintenance on March 30 at 22:00 UTC. Let's just say things didn't go well. Things are still down and as of a posting one hour ago, they are still working on it. FYI... it is WMFLabs and not Toolserver. Please don't sully Toolserver's good name by confusing it with WMFLabs :) Bgwhite (talk) 07:14, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Latest email says things are back up and working now. Bgwhite (talk) 07:40, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

I probably shouldn't ask this[edit]

This is probably one of those Beans type questions, but what, exactly, would happen if someone made bots to work at cross-purposes to each other, and then tried to run them at the same time? Like, say, someone made a bot to go around and change all instances of British spelling to American spelling, and another bot to change all instances of American spelling to British spelling? Would that crash the servers or shut down the site or something? ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 06:38, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

See the "(Ro)bot wars" section of Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars. Nyttend (talk) 06:46, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Amusing, but I think a little different, as the choice between British and American spelling impacts every single page in the encyclopedia, meaning billions of words on over five million pages (counting project and talk space), not just two bots edit warring over the sandbox. I was wondering if that type of thing would cause a server crash the way deleting the main page or deleting the sandbox does. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 07:05, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
No problem. Anything can be blocked. Accounts would be first, if need be, sysadmins would block the traffic on the servers. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 07:38, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

How do I import a reference from wikidata?[edit]

How do I get the reference from wikidata? Lion have the population {{#property:P1082}} and it looks like the reference for this is P854, but {{#property:P854}} gives nothing if I preview it on Lion (P1082 gives 491,268±1). Christian75 (talk) 13:35, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

I would answer this question but I can see no property P1082 on the listed Wikidata page (which is the one for lion). --Izno (talk) 14:04, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
@Izno: - Thank you. I messed up. It shouldnt have been Lion but Lyon (the town). A rewrite my question here:
How do I get the reference from wikidata? d:Lyon have the population {{#property:P1082}} and it looks like the reference for this is P854, but {{#property:P854}} gives nothing if I preview it on Lyon (P1082 gives 491,268±1). Christian75 (talk) 13:35, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Okay, so the only way that I know of to access the reference is to use Lua to get the entirety of the object's claims, and then use the same Lua code to select the reference of the particular element. I believe this would require a Lua module, probably built on Module:Wikidata. I'm not familiar enough with Lua at this time to help further. --Izno (talk) 15:16, 31 March 2015 (UTC)