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[edit] Hell in a Bucket

Hell in a Bucket (talk · contribs) seems to be on a WP:POINT run right now. First, he tagged Meridian Mall, an article with plenty of secondary sources, for A7 (diff) when it clearly didn't meet it. Then, he did the same thing to Lansing Mall, which is also far from lacking in sources (diff). He has since listed both articles at AFD with a rationale of "it's just not notable", citing a 2 1/2 year old AFD on Lansing Mall from an unsourced, stub version of the article. The fact that he has targeted two articles which I wrote in such rapid succession has me thinking that something is up. (He also AFD'd Frandor Mall, which is justified as that article is a wreck and was mis-named.) Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 17:16, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

the user seems to be working exclusively on nominating articles for deletion via one process or another, without paying any heed to whether the speedies meet the speedy criterions, or whether articles can be merged, or are likely to have sources. Quite a few different admins and other good editors have complained to him by now, about 2/3 of them have been good, though often using the wrong process--and, if anyone was wondering, I going by what other admins have said & the snow keeps on his afds, not primarily the ones I declined. This is an unacceptably high error rate. At the very least, the user should be asked not to use Twinkle DGG (talk) 19:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
(ec x2) I've speedily kept both AFDs, and I'm gonna leave a note on his talk page. Agreed, with that high an error rate he should have his Twinkle yanked. Blueboy96 19:48, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
That sounds like it would hurt. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:12, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Sounds NSFW, too. Only problem with yanking his Twinkle is that even if you edit protect his monobook, it's in the gadgets. IIRC, short of blocking the editor you can't yank their Twinkle. (Off to scrub the "twinkle yanking" image out of my brain.) --Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Wow, people seem to be a bit trigger happy here. Isn't that what you've accused me of? Hmmmmmm makes you think doesn't it? I believe this entire thread is complete nonsense, it was opened because I didn't respond within ten minutes because I was at the local Walmart preparing for a camping trip. AFDS are for a community discussion and clearly these malls are not notable. Just because they eist does not give them notability. The American mall or greeat mall that has an amusement park now thats notable. This is just a chance to toot a local horn. I sympathize that this may seem harsh but this is just my good faith opinion, on improving the encyclopedia. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 21:40, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Well, since you asked... While I agree that it might have been nice to give you more time to respond to the most recent query, after TPH raised the mall question on your talk page, instead of answering him, you sent another mall article to AfD. So I can also understand why he might think you were ignoring him altogether. As to why others (myself included) are concerned, well, the problem of CSD tags isn't exactly new to you. User_talk:Hell_in_a_Bucket#speedy_reasons had quite a bit of information for you about what can be speedied (although ThaddeusB got notability and importance mixed up). User_talk:Hell_in_a_Bucket#Splurve_Ball had another mention of inappropriate CSD tagging. The concern is that after these two events (and possibly more under your old username -- I don't feel like looking), most editors would get a clue and read WP:CSD carefully. My good faith opinion is to take a few minutes to read WP:CSD, WP:BEFORE and WP:DEL. Mull it over a bit, then go have a blast on your camping trip and come back to Wikipedia with a clear head.--Fabrictramp | talk to me 22:35, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Comment, I'm going to have a blast camping. I am often wrong in the eyes of the community and I have no problem admitting it. I only hope that everyone understands even though in your eyes I'm wrong I am only trying to maintain a high standard of inclusion to the encyclopedia. If mine happens to be more discriminating it is only a difference of opinion and I have reviewed csd's a few times so I'll have one more go at it, you can always catch things you didn't catch before.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 23:23, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I have been trying to advise Hell in a Bucket for some time now, and we have butted heads several times. That said, I do think he is acting in good faith and he does seem to be improving. I have tried to explain to him several times that being not notable isn't a speedy deletion criteria and that being "important" isn't the same thing as being notable. He still doesn't seem to comprehend our policies fully (assuming good faith), but I do feel he has at least tried to improve. Still, it might be in his own best interest to concentrate on areas outside of deletion until he gets a better handle on our policies - and that is what I'd advise. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:04, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment To add to what User:TenPoundHammer has said,I have observed many of the AfDs Hell in a Bucket has brought up, and most fall in the two extremes, either easy deletes or easy keeps. Not much of the borderline cases which leads me to believe that he doesn't understand the notability guidelines or the process of bringing something to AfD. Also some of the CSD taggings are plain absurd, as in the case of Ellie Cole, where there was also a misplaced 3RR warning and his arguments at the AfD. Also, another series of AfDs started with Global Adjustments - three AfDs within six minutes, one of them within five minutes of the article being created and another within a minute of the article being created, clearly indicating that there was no effort to check on anything before nominating for deletion. While there's enough speediable material created out there to give a good success rate, some of them are disruptive. Until such time when he understands the processes, it's possibly best to either set a limit on his CSD tags per day and an AfD limit per week, if not an outright break from these activities for a while. -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 00:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment I've seen problems with this user a few times before. At this point, he's been around a while, but still shows little hope of clue acquisition. And this was a bit over the top. --LP talk 04:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
    Of course, we usually grant a bit more leeway to obviously frustrated editors when it comes to their own talk page. Hopefully when he comes back from vacation he will be a bit calmer, and TPH will quit poking him with a stick. There will certainly be a lot of eyes on the situation, in any event. :) --Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment I've also noted on HIAB's talk page that he needs to at least slow down his speedy noms and pay attention to what he's doing. [1] Kudos for his determination to help, but I think the time has come to refocus attention to editing for a while, and slowly move back to newpage patrolling once he has a better understanding of the process. -- Norvy (talk) 02:42, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Support Hell My initial impression was that I did not like Hell in a Bucket. Hell wrongly or too quickly nominated stuff for deletion. However, after writing to him, the matter was resolved. Therefore, my interactions with Hell is that Hell is an ok person, not a troublemaker. Everyone should work together to resolve things. User F203 (talk) 18:12, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Aye, my initial opinion of Hell was poor, but a bad situation involving Hell was resolved, and Hell seems to have learned from the experience, and demonstrated that they're capable of learning and moving on. I suspect Hell still has much to learn, but I equally suspect that they are more than capable of doing so. I think Hell is in the wrong here - but I also think they'll come to realise that, too. Cheers, TFOWRThis flag once was red 18:20, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
  • If I take your comment out of context, TFOWR, it is one of the more entertaining posts I have seen made to the noticeboard. The theology might be a little confused, but then so is the content of far too many Wikipedia articles. ;-) llywrch (talk) 23:28, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
  • (Oops! It was all so much easier when we call just say "Hellina" instead. Note to self: use "HiaB" from now on). Plenty of times I've read other peoples' deliberately humorous comments and nearly destroyed my keyboard with coffee; this is the first time I've re-read my own comment and laughed out loud ;-) Thanks for the theological image, llywrch! Cheers, TFOWRThis flag once was red 13:19, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Wow, let me just reconfirm my opinion that this entire thread is idiotic. Yes I am completely calm, but an ani thread because I was gone shopping? Pretty flipping stupid. Thank everyone who defended me that I attempt to be a reasonable person. The entire reason I removed the comments on the page was because Ten Pound Hammer, was trolling and I call things how I see it. I did leave him the option to comeback when he was willing to talk out an issue. He choose to keep throwing everything but the kitchen sinks in links and accusations and I won't put up with B.S. like that without saying my peace which has admittedly gotten me significant grief then it is worth, so I removed them. I do plan on continuing using CSD's and AFD's however as I do tell the people who actually listen to what I say without twisting things, I will continue to learn and progress more ni accordance with wikipedia policies (to which I do not know them all). If anyone doesn't like that, I can frankly care less because I am a human and prone to error. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 01:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  • First HiaB, it wasn't entirely idiotic: your name inadvertently provided us the opportunity for a bit of levity -- something needed to successfully resolve every conflict here. Second, no one knows all of the Wikipedia policies: anyone who claims to spends way too much time in the Wikipedia name space. The intent behind ignore all rules is due what you think is right, but be willing to admit your mistakes & learn from them. If you do that, things will work out for you in the long run. -- llywrch (talk) 16:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Undo Page Redirection

Curently, the page Mounted Games is redirected to Mounted games.

Somebody obviously took the opinion that this was a description of a sport rather than the actual name of the sport and as such the word games should not have a capital letter. This is incorrect as this is the actual name of the sport. I do not know how to reverse this redirection. Can anybody help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jens Martin (talk • contribs) 14:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the article is a bit of a blend between the description of the events called "Mounted Games" and the sport called "Mounted games". This should be clarified somewhat. I'm going to drop a note for Rich, who made the move back in 2007. –xenotalk 14:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, "mounted games" is a sport like "cricket" or "table tennis". Clearly the Mounted Games Championship, Mounted Games Federation etc. are proper nouns and take capitals. There are a lot of other spurious capitals in that article. And an ampersand in a heading. Rich Farmbrough, 20:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC).
OK, upon closer inspection, this does seem to be in line with the way other similar articles are classified. Do we not like ampersands then? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jens Martin (talk • contribs)
For the use of the ampersand on Wikipedia, specifically, see WP:&. We also try to avoid special symbols in titles. hmwithτ 14:12, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Original research on the Netherlands

The user NewDutchy has been adding unsourced original research to the article, even after being warned through the edit summary and on his/her talk page. If I revert again, I will break the 3RR. Assistance please? Hayden120 (talk) 11:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

This same user is inserting this text into other articles as well (eg. Al Sharpton and Fox News Channel)
170.86.15.15 is doing this as well to a lesser extent. Jarkeld (talk) 12:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Showed up in Foreign policy of the Barack Obama administration, and some Dutch news channels have picked up on the Wikipedia coverage. We're being used as a soapbox. I sympathize: every time early December rolls around, I cringe to see men running around in black face (stranger still, since my island is 80% black, it's black men wearing black face). Doesn't make Wikipedia the appropriate venue for this.—Kww(talk) 12:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Haha Kww, I'd love to see Sinterklaas in whiteface! Drmies (talk) 20:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I have blocked for 48 hours on the basis that if there are going to be any, then reliable sources should be apparent by the time the block expires. If there are no references available, then the content has no place in any article. I have said as much in my block notice to NewDutchy. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Certainly the content is sourcable. So the question is where it is appropriate to include (in what articles and where in those articles) and how much weight to give it. I'm not sure it belongs in the opening paragraphs of the Netherlands article. :) But there may be other articles on racial depictions in popular culture where it might be appropriate? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
"The banning of Zwarte Piet is also one of the topics mentioned in the Foreign policy of the Barack Obama administration." is sourceable to reliable sources? Care to provide one of them? Fram (talk) 08:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I had not seen that bit. I meant that certainly Dutch people thinking it's appropriate to dress up in black face as part of an ongoing holiday tradition is sourceable and well established. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] 'Confirmed' usergroup will be grantable in the near future

FYI bugzilla:19611 gives us the ability to grant "confirmed" (jumpstarting autoconfirmed). We can grant it when discretion warrants it, and remove it after autoconfirmed is granted. Further discussion should be held at WT:PERM#'Confirmed' usergroup will be grantable in the near future. –xenotalk 19:26, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Note: we can grant the right but it doesn't seem to be effective yet. –xenotalk 03:21, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
According to Special:ListGroupRights, the usergroup only gives you the ability to upload files and patrol new pages, not the right to edit semiprotected pages or move pages. J.delanoygabsadds 03:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, 'twas noted in the bugzilla. I'm sure it'll be fixed shortly. =] –xenotalk 03:25, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Is there really a point? Isn't there a very low barrier to getting autoconfirmed? —harej (talk) (cool!) 03:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
There's currently no way around the 4-day waiting period; the idea is to allow a way around it for people who genuinely need fully confirmed rights or who ought to have them. — Gavia immer (talk) 03:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Why can't they wait four days, once? It seems like a solution in search of a problem. — Carl (CBM · talk) 04:04, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
TOR users wait 90 days. --King ♣ Talk 13:09, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
One use is for some kind of Wikipedia Academy coming up in a few weeks... [2] See Wikipedia:VPR#add edit-semi as a feature to "Uploader"? and the previously discussion for more reasons. –xenotalk 14:30, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm more intrigued about removing the right; I can see that obviating the need for full protection on certain articles for repeat edit warriors. -- Avi (talk) 04:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Usually if it is just one person they are blocked instead of the page being protected? Removing the right is likely to be equally contentious with blocking. I'm bowing out now, since I don't really have anything in this discussion, but I still don't see the motivation to this. — Carl (CBM · talk) 04:11, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but I see this as a measure less extreme than blocking, in that they can still edit unprotected pages. Also, if it were used in this situation, it would perforce be temporary. I'm just thinking out loud as to the possibilities here, not calling for a purge :) -- Avi (talk) 04:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
The new right doesn't give us the ability to revoke autoconfirmed, once they're past the post they're in the clear. –xenotalk 14:30, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh well, 'twas just a thought. -- Avi (talk) 14:40, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
In the clear? Last I recall, unless I am mistaken, I had my autoconfirmed status accidentally revoked by a faulty Abuse Filter made by NawlinWiki, although I never really noticed, because I rarely create articles or upload images... Until It Sleeps Wake me 04:43, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] (Topic) ban of Interestedinfairness

Interestedinfairness (talk · contribs) is an Albanian user which has strong views about Kosovo. Which is fine in itself, except that he tries to push his views by all means available, violating WP:BATTLE, WP:ARBMAC, and a number of other policies such as WP:NPOV. I'm really surprised how he wasn't indefinitely (topic) banned so far. A few pieces of evidence follow; it's not difficult to find more just browsing through *all* his contribs:

I propose a complete ban, or topic ban from Kosovo, Serbia and Albania-related articles. Since all his contributions are in this area, the difference between the two is purely nominal. (I probably won't be around in the next couple of days, so I can't submit additional evidence, but I think that contribs speak volumes) No such user (talk) 07:55, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Another ridiculous attempt to silence me by a user who cannot use the talk pages to rebuttal. As soon as I start challenging the status-quo of articles which do not conform to the NPOV policy I have a case opened against me. But just like the past case here and the sock puppet investigation launched here, there is only a vendetta against me, no real evidence. I am not even going to bother to respond to your "examples" of my "unlawful" behavior. The edits speak for them selves. (Interestedinfairness (talk) 08:12, 15 July 2009 (UTC)).
I feel I had to break a lance in favor of Int here:
  • I don't find a WP:TE on Serbia: [9] by Int. If it is stated that the Greeks colonized the southern area IV BC Romans north area II AD so natural question is what did they colonized?Were there any people etc Everyone accepts the fact that Illyrians laid in Serb territory at that time and their history on that area, what kind of WP:TE is here?! Romans and Greeks are mentioned, but the Illyrians the people who really lived and inhabited the areas should not be mentioned?! And if they are mentioned this is tendentious?!Why?It is the opposite standing that could look tendentious. Everyone mentioned except Illyrians, the people who inhabited the area?! SO no WP:TE here.
  • As for the cn tags I agree that it is wrong to put them behind ref, but I must stress the fact that Int didn't remove anything from the text, he was pointing to the POV standing of the author(maybe in wrong way with his cn tags) and when he discussed in the talk page here [10] none tried to discuss according to WP:NPOV WP:RS WP:R etc wiki rules, the result was a personal attack and a topic ban proposal.
  • For the previous accusations of sock and etc there has been much said before, Int wasn't guilty I don't know why it was brought up here again. Aigest (talk) 08:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

IIF's persistent pushing of "Kosovo is a country" on Slavic peoples is disruptive and, in my view, tendentious. It illustrates a problem faced by any article whose scope includes the Balkans or any map covering that region: until the statehood of Kosovo is determined either at some binding international level or by en.wiki policy such articles can't do right for doing wrong. IIF accuses Slavic people of non-neutrality because it contains a map - intended to give readers a general geographical awareness of the distribution of Slavs at a resolution level limited to countries - which does not show Kosovo as separate from Serbia. IIF is on a hiding to nothing trying to force such articles to change their depiction of Kosovo, because the Serbians will then be justified in jumping in and demanding a reversion. IIF has ignored the substantive arguments made on the article's talk page and continued to push his own POV. Whatever sanction is applied must take into account not only articles related directly to Kosovo, but also the evidence of IIF's willingness to take his unproductive WP:BATTLEs and WP:SOAPboxes to any other article with a tenuous link. -- Timberframe (talk) 09:40, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Please take this to dispute resolution. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 09:51, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Edit-warring: [11] [12] [13] [14], edit-warring and POINTy behavior [15] [16], examples of tendentious editing [17] [18] [19], edit-warring on Illyrians (72 hour block) [20] [21] [22] [23], assumptions of bad faith [24] (opening a bogus sockpuppet investigation), [25] [26] (anyone who disagrees with him is "colluding"), [27] ("an administrator acting in a cavalier way) [28] ("I'm 100% more neutrak), incivility: [29]. He has also cluttered Talk:Illyrians and Talk:Kosovo with countless inane clueless rants for the past two months now, the examples are too many to list. This is an nationalist POV advocacy SPA of the kind we don't need on this encyclopedia. I'm amazed he has gotten away with as much as he's had already. I've seen users get topic banned per ARBMAC for a lot less. I also recommend relocating this section to WP:AE, where it is more appropriate. --Athenean (talk) 17:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

This is no longer a simple dispute. The dispute was a couple of weeks ago. He couldn't accept that Wikipedia consensus was against his POV, and he went ahead with his POV pushing, on the Kosovo article, on many other articles related to Kosovo or Albanians. Let me explain it this way: let's say we all agree that the Alps are a mountain range, but one user simply doesn't and then keeps repeating it. This is pretty much what's happening here. Kosovo is a region, some see it as a province, some as a country, but Interestedinfairness wants it to be a country, even attempting to prove it's not a region or territory. ?!!. I don't even have the energy to repeat all the other Wikipedia rules he has broken, it's all on the Kosovo talk page, or on his talk page... Athenean's examples are proof enough, but there are MANY more examples of Interestedinfairness' disruptive behavior, if you have the energy to look through his edits which are highly disruptive and this is making other constructive editors tired of arguing with this POV-pushing user over and over again. He had his chance, he had many chances, he blew them all. Enough. Simply enough. --Cinéma C 18:07, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Uninvolved admins needed for slashdotted article

The Rorschach test article, or more specifically the debate on its talk page was recently mentioned in a slashdot article. We have had a sudden in flux of new users who have immediately begun to take sides. There are at least three administrators already involved in the debate, but they are all wearing editor hats due to their involvement in the debate. It would be good to have some eyes there that are not involved help deal with this influx of people unfamiliar with Wikipedia. Chillum 15:34, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

The debate is getting mentions on some other social media sites as well, so this will likely be an issue for a while. Please do watch things if you can. — Gavia immer (talk) 15:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Gee, who would have thought that a handful of people arguing for the removal of the some information would cause an influx of people looking at the information. Someone should give a name to this effect. Chillum 16:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Note that there is also a proposal (consensus, with which I agree, is that the proposal is an attempt to end-run around the consensus on the article talk page) located here to elevate removal of Rorschach images to policy. → ROUX ₪ 17:09, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Cheeky, Chillum... –xenotalk 17:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Things have started to degenerate into "you are <insert insult> because you are trying to hide these images", and "you are <insert insult here> because you are trying to show these images". And we were doing so well. Chillum 01:25, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like a brief semi-protection and a notice at the top of the talkpage explaining why might be in order. It would presumably at least temporarily prevent the exchange of attacks from continuing. rdfox 76 (talk) 01:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Huh. I just see a very spirited debate between editors of two clearly opposed viewpoints. Maybe I need to see a doctor. Steveozone (talk) 03:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Deleting protected Gdansk template

Resolved. — Aitias // discussion 18:38, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I would like to nominate Template:Gdansk-Vote-Notice for deletion, as I mentioned here. However, that page is protected from editing, so I cannot follow the normal WP:AFD process, and I'd like an administrator to either unprotect the page or nominate it for deletion for me. Thanks in advance. --LjL (talk) 18:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Y Done ([30]). — Aitias // discussion 18:11, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Andy Murray

Hello, Admins! I just want you all to go and look to see if the fansite link on Andy Murray's external links is approprate. Further, go and look at the talk page to see the debate! I am looking for Admin attention because they are trying to make a unique exception for this tennis player, which I don't think I have ever saw a fansite in external links before on any article not just tennis players. So, just go look at this and determine if this meets wikipedia's criteria! A similar fansite http://www.goroger.net/ is not include on Roger Federer's page for good reason because it is a fansite, but it has authority and credibility like http://www.murraysworld.com/ is asserting to get there's included here. They say go ahead and put that on Federer's page, but it is ill-appropriate on wikipedia. TW-RF (talk) 19:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Fansites, by their nature, tend to be HEAVILY biased, and are rarely reliable sources. --King ♣ Talk 21:54, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
This one looks a bit different. The fansite owner was responsible for heavy pushing to include his link. AGF he thinks it's useful, and has made reference to his site being quoted by BBC, Sky, and some newspapers. There was confusion between external links and sources, but the link is now only used as an external link. Finally, there seems to be some (AbadF) 'odd' editing by some new editors. So perhaps someone could have a closer look? 87.113.86.207 (talk) 23:32, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I am really not a new user, I have another account that has been around for a couple of year, but I am not going to disclose that because I am no longer using that account! I love how that IP Address is from England any coincidence? I would love to know if it is an IPSOCK of User:Mark7144.TW-RF (talk) 00:46, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for calling you a new user. It wasn't meant to be an insult. To answer your question - I am not a sock of any logged in editor. I am not Mark7144. There are many English editors. I thought I'd given a concise, neutral, account of problems on the talk page. Please, how would you describe the problems? (keep it short, and try to keep it neutral.) 87.113.86.207 (talk) 02:04, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Recent spam and cruft

I think I have earned my rep as an inclusionist. But I may be turning into a deletionist. I have seen a whole lotta spam, vandalism, and cruft being posted. School's out? Bearian (talk) 21:45, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

No summer school this year for most of California. Methinks the little darlings are home unsupervised all day on summer break.--Fabrictramp | talk to me 21:47, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
LOL. Bearian (talk) 22:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Of course, once school starts again (for the US) in August/September, the kids can access the wonderful school computer lab. TNXMan 22:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
If you're saying "cruft" then I might be concerned if I were you. Otherwise, you're doing nothing wrong as far as mainspace-philosophies are concerned. Users need to take a stand against blatant spam, attack pages, vandalism, and copyvios—regardless of where they fall in the spectrum :) MuZemike 04:57, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:Andymurray.jpg

✔ Resolved. It looks like it was a bug. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 01:03, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

The fact that this is also related to Andy Murray (see couple of threads above) is purely coincidental. I was checking deletion logs of images transferred to commons as I periodically do and stumbled on something I simply don't understand. (The following links will require admin rights). Okay there was an original image (30 August 2006) that was rightly deleted as vandalism because it wasn't Murray. The file history says User:Crassic uploaded the file again (24 June 2007) but the page history doesn't record any addition of source, license etc. by that user. However it does record User:Lactics adding these details at exactly the same time as the upload was made (supposedly by Crassic). Despite the file history suggesting to the contrary, Crassic has no contributions or deleted contribs. But the comment Latics placed does show up as a deleted contrib for them. This suggests that Lactics might of uploaded the photo (and I'm going to ask), but I don't understand why the file log would be wrong. Anyone know? Thanks, Rambo's Revenge (talk) 00:27, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Not sure if I've missed something, but Latics' upload log shows that they did indeed upload the file:
  • 15:32, 24 June 2007 Latics (talk | contribs | block) uploaded "File:Andymurray.jpg" ‎ (Andrew Murray (tennis player) of Scotland, UK.)

The first thing that comes to mind is that Crassic and Latics are the same editor, renamed at some point. I remember a similar bug with the logs having come up in the past. – Toon 00:50, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah, okay that would explain it. I've contacted Latics and they said they did upload it and have agree to get the image nominated for deletion on Commons so I'll mark this as resolved. It's an interesting bug if it only effects one half (File log) and but not the Page log that gets written at the same time. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 01:03, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Research Survey on the RfA Process

As part of an ongoing research project by students and faculty at the Carnegie Mellon University School of Computer Science we are conducting a survey of anyone who has participated in the Request for Adminship (RfA) process, either voting or as a candidate. As Admins I'm sure all present have experience with the process =)

The survey will only take a few minutes of your time, and will aid furthering our understanding of online communities, and may assist in the development of tools to assist voters in making RfA evaluations. We are NOT attempting to spam anyone with this survey and are doing our best to be considerate and not instrusive in the Wikipedia community. The results of this survey are for academic research, are not used for any profit nor sold to any companies.

Take the survey


Thank you!

If you have any questions or concerns, feel free comment on our talk page. CMUResearch (talk) 07:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Not only do you have to sign up to participate, which gets a big meh from me, but judging by the above you seem to be using a group account, which is against our policy. Exploding Boy (talk) 07:46, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
A look at their user page confirms this is a group account, and also a promotional one, so these users have now been blocked. Exploding Boy (talk) 07:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Editors Promoting Somali Towns

I've been having some trouble with editors who are putting things up to promote Somali towns (Bu'aale, Merca) and relevant militant factions, and then putting them back up when I try to remove the advertising material. On his talk page, Rd232/Disembrangler suggested that if the problem happen again I post something over here.

A particular editor copied back in the offending material to the [[Bu'aale] article, but without the inline flags, and then deleted my discussion page item on it. It is getting kind of old having to change things back with folks who wont go to discussion pages except to clear them out. What is to be done in a case like this? --Nogburt (talk) 08:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Permissible username?

It is almost impossible to post a note to User talk:㍐. Mozilla Firefox does not recognise the code in the URL. Is this username even permitted? -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 11:18, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

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