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[edit] History Wars
Calling attention to the article on History wars. There is a basic problem in that it does not mention the consensus view about the 19th century mass killings on Tasmania. If someone could take a look it would be nice.Likebox (talk) 12:56, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
The request above overstates the issue somewhat. There is a problem with getting agreement on what is the 'consensus' view. Those who think that they represent it have been asked to supply appropriate citations to show that it is the consensus and they seem to think that citing some authors who take that particular position shows that it is the consensus.
Our problem is: What is the group that represents the consensus with regard to the history of colonial Tasmania? Is it everyone in the world, everyone in Australia, everyone who actually knows more about the issue than what they may have read in a sensationalised, tin-pot popular ‘history’ written by a not-particularly-reliable journalist?
Is the consensus that of the international community of historians or a smaller international community of genocide experts/historians? Is it Australian historians or Australian historians who specialise in genocide or in Tasmanian history? Is it people who did their research, such that it was, 60 years ago or should that be updated considering more modern research into such issues as the impact of introduced disease on non-immune populations and more recent anthropological views on the relationships between hunter-gatherer groups and the ‘land’ and its resources, as well as their interactions with colonisers.
But fresh eyes would be welcome. Webley442 (talk) 00:06, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
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- The consensus view that the natives were wiped out by settlers is accepted by all except a small minority in Australia. The current status of all pages on Wikipedia on the topic do not reflect this accepted consensus. It is pointless to argue with these people, so to fix the pages they must be bludgeoned into shape by force of numbers.Likebox (talk) 02:59, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
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- We do not "bludgeon pages into shape by force of numbers" here, we act on a model of discussion and consensus. If you are looking for a battleground, I suggest you look elsewhere. Lankiveil (speak to me) 04:19, 28 June 2009 (UTC).
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[edit] Cleanup listings
I see that after a few months off, Wolterbot is back updating the Projects' cleanup listings. An interesting comparison can be done between the list just done and one done exactly a year ago [1].
The listing is based on a database snapshot of 18 June 2008. It contains all articles flagged for cleanup which are tagged with {{WP Australia}} on their talk page. Based on that data, 61534 articles are assigned to this project, of which 11614, or 18.9%, are flagged for cleanup.
The listing is based on a database snapshot of 18 June 2009. It contains all articles flagged for cleanup which are tagged with {{WP Australia}} on their talk page. Based on that data, 70624 articles are assigned to this project, of which 19402, or 27.5%, are flagged for cleanup.
So we've added over 9000 articles in a year, but almost 8000 more articles have a cleanup flag! Maybe it's the stricter tagging on unrefed BLPs or similar, but they aren't good numbers! The AFL sub-project has gone from 3488 articles with 398 (11.4%) tagged to 4820 articles with 627 (13.0%) tagged (so you can't blame the fanboi footballer stubs!). My goal is to get that below 10% in a few weeks. WP:WA is 4929 articles with 897 (18.2%) tagged, up from 2873 articles with 254 (8.8%) tagged with issues last year.
Along with the Article alerts and NewArtBot the clean up list gives you a good set of articles that need to be improved, which I find very useful. The-Pope (talk) 17:07, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
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- Note that WA is an odd case as during the time in question it merged in the Perth project. I'm not sure of the status of the Perth articles as at 18 June 2008. Orderinchaos 17:47, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia:Featured article review/Lake Burley Griffin/archive1
Is mostly fixed and needs to be kept. One of the issues that is not so straightforward is a logical structure. Opinions needed YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 08:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Roma Regional Council
Can anyone determine for me if Roma Regional Council has actually changed its name to Maranoa Regional Council? The Council website says Roma, the Departmental website says Maranoa] and an electoral commission report has recommended "The commission has determined that the name of the Roma Regional Council be changed to Maranoa Regional Council" but I would be surprised if the commissioner has the authority to make the change (as opposed to recommending a change be made). Do any of our Queensland editors have any clearer idea than me? -- Mattinbgn\talk 08:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
- Doesn't look like it. The council website is right up to date, with a newsletter for this month that mentions absolutely nothing about any name change, and refers repeatedly to it as Roma. Department website's probably jumping the gun, short of any other info to suggest a change has happened. Might be worth emailing the department to confirm though. Rebecca (talk) 10:50, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
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- Just a note that that Queensland department has recently been abolished, and while the public servants are probably still there, you might be waiting awhile getting a response from them. The fact that the DLG's website links you to http://www.romaregionalcouncil.qld.gov.au/ would indicate to me that the change has not yet been made, but that it is probably a foregone conclusion that it will. Lankiveil (speak to me) 04:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC).
- I phoned the council. They were renamed on Friday ("around 4 in the afternoon"), possibly effective today. The recorded message said "Roma" but the lady answering answered with "Maranoa". All stationery etc has been changed. So it has gone through - not sure how this would be sourced though. Orderinchaos 05:40, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- On this basis I moved it, and made only minor changes. If someone wants to improve it, feel free :) Orderinchaos 18:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- Just a note that that Queensland department has recently been abolished, and while the public servants are probably still there, you might be waiting awhile getting a response from them. The fact that the DLG's website links you to http://www.romaregionalcouncil.qld.gov.au/ would indicate to me that the change has not yet been made, but that it is probably a foregone conclusion that it will. Lankiveil (speak to me) 04:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC).
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- Well, their site says "Maranoa" now, so I think you're fairly safe =). Lankiveil (speak to me) 07:59, 30 June 2009 (UTC).
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[edit] Egg Marketing Board of New South Wales
I found a building while in Junee the other day and came across this building which is located next to the Hay branch line and also near the Licorice and Chocolate Factory. I've found no article so I have no idea on the history of the board nor the building. Bidgee (talk) 11:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
- There's a bit of background in the lower sections of this link. I also note we have an article on the Australian Egg Corporation. Melburnian (talk) 02:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
- "Egg Marketing Board of New South Wales" - wow , what a compelling topic to write about. That people aren't falling over themselves to start it is one of wikipedia's biggest current mysteries. ;-) --Merbabu (talk) 04:05, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
- I blame Poultrypedia for poaching our egg article editors ;) --Melburnian (talk) 05:12, 28 June 2009 (UTC) Melburnian (talk) 05:12, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
- Inspired by the UK Egg Marketing Board perhaps? Lion Mark? "Go to work on an egg"? --Stephen 23:41, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
- "Egg Marketing Board of New South Wales" - wow , what a compelling topic to write about. That people aren't falling over themselves to start it is one of wikipedia's biggest current mysteries. ;-) --Merbabu (talk) 04:05, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Normie Rowe
Already raised on AUSMUSIC but got no response, so...
While looking at this article for unrelated reasons, I discovered much of it was a copyvio (details are on the article's talk page. Can someone with more knowledge/sources than me have a look and attempt to address this? Thanks. Orderinchaos Orderinchaos 04:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Les Norton
I removed a PROD tag from this article as I felt the subject may be notable. I seem to remember reading somewhere that these books were some of the best selling books in Aust. I am not a big fan of articles about fictional characters and the article is not really worth saving, but given that I have not read the books but was aware of the character, perhaps it does have wider notability. Others thoughts? -- Mattinbgn\talk 08:06, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'd torch it. No refs, no particular notability. Would suggest merging into a book or series article, but even that doesn't exist. Rebecca (talk) 10:11, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- Well well - all in the same boat - cliff hardy, les patterson and les norton (amongst many) are notable australian icons of particular genres of fiction - the current editor has not an idea about WP:RS or anything else - however that doesnt mean that it is immediately torchable by any means - cripes I hate to think what would happen with dad and dave and mum and dad SatuSuro 10:29, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think merge and change to redirect to Robert G. Barrett would be most appropriate. Great holiday reading for blokes - shielas: best to avoid. –Moondyne 16:28, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Bilateral relations articles
When topics such as Australia–India relations are not deemed worthy of an stand-alone article, then this whole crusade against bilateral relations articles has goen way over-the-top. -- Mattinbgn\talk 03:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm no fan of the mass-produced bilateral relations articles, but I agree that there are some zealots out there. Some editors have even nominated articles about large countries which share borders for deletion! Nick-D (talk) 07:25, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
- Especially when there is a large uranium sale in question YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 03:05, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] GLAM -Challenge
On August 6 & 7 Wikimedia Australia is hosting GLAM-Wiki at the Australian War Memorial supported by the
- Wikimedia Foundation
- Australian War Memorial
- ARC Centre of Excellence for Creative Industries and Innovation
- Cyberspace Law and Policy Centre
In lead up to the event some of the GLAM institutions(Galleries, Libraries, Archives, Museums) have donated items to be given away, Wikimedia Australia has organised the GLAM Challenge which will run from 13th July until 23:59UTC on the 19th July. This is open to all registered editors in any Wikimedia project, you dont need to be in Australia to win as prizes will be posted to anywhere in the world. Nominate yourself by the 13th July, see GLAM Challenge for more details. Gnangarra 11:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
- Entrants have started to trickle in, one of the prizes has been donated by the Powerhouse Museum its the book Then and now: Stories from the commons its a book of photographs from the late 1800's until the early 1900's all PD images which have been uploaded to Flickr this book includes information on all images. It'd be a great book to add to the collection of any Wikipedian that has an interest in writing articles on Australian history with the images readily available think of the articles you could expand with that resource. Gnangarra 12:29, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] HM Bark Endeavour
There's an ongoing discussion regarding whether HM Bark Endeavour or HMS Endeavour is the preferred location for the article on Cook's ship. I've asked for more opinions at WP:SHIPS and thought I'd do so here as well. Anyone who likes a free-for-all, please stop by at the talk page and have a say. Euryalus (talk) 04:09, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] GA reassessment of Australian Secret Intelligence Service
I have conducted a reassessment of this article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns which are listed at Talk:Australian Secret Intelligence Service/GA1. If these concerns are not addressed in seven days, the article may be delisted. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 16:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Delisted content
Created to keep track of things that might be close to GA/FA. Used the cat intersect searcher to make the list YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 05:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, that's really interesting. I didn't know that Mark Latham had ever been a FA, but it does explain why the article is a cut above the standard of articles on Australian opposition leaders (compare it to Malcolm Turnbull, for instance). Nick-D (talk) 08:28, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Roland Perry
Looks like the man himself is here, editing his own article. Who else would dig up 20 year old nespaper archives to praise himself YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 08:01, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- Who else would look in archives of playboy for information on a cricket historian? Probably the subject himself keeps praise cuttings of himself and dug it up quick YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 01:49, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- Although I agree that the content added by the editor is suspiciously positive, it is not difficult to dig up 20 year old newspaper articles if the publications are archived in a database like Factiva. Don't know if that's the case here, but just pointing it out anyway. :) Somno (talk) 03:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] False information on inside covers of books
I would have expected that inside covers of books ought to tell the truth at least, albeit selectively and POV, but in the case of Roland Perry, the inside covers of his books and his publisher says that he won the UK Cricket Society book of the year in 2006 for Miller's Luck. I presume that it was a typo and meant The Cricket Society.
Now I was surprised that such learned people would not have noticed what David Frith and Ramachandra Guha noticed about the book, but a look at the website shows that someone else won the award and a google search shows that Perry's book was not even in the shortlist. Do inside covers of books tell upfront lies about the CV of the author?? YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 06:41, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] York Park
Can anyone help with this review? The hardest part is trying to find refs but also need someone who can help summarise the lead better and even a Copy Edit.Thankyou Aaroncrick(Tassie Boy talk) 21:12, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
