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Projects[edit]

Defining the Caribbean[edit]

How do we want to define the Caribbean?


Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Grenada, Guatemala, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Jamaica, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, St. Kitts and Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Suriname, Trinidad and Tobago, Venezuela

  • CARICOM; mainly a political and economic entity.

Also: List of islands in the Caribbean

I'd want to go for the broad definition, but noting that the boundary between the Caribbean and South/Central America is quite fuzzy.fledgist 02:07, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

I would also include those areas that share a coast with the Caribbean Sea. Texas, Brazil, Panama, Mexico, to name a few. These areas share a history intimate with the rest of the Caribbean proper.

Texas + Florida = Gulf of Mexico, No? CaribDigita 23:04, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't think I've ever seen or heard Florida referred to as a Caribbean place. Bermuda, however, is a Caricom associate member and is sometimes otherwise considered part of the region, so they should be included. Beyond that (and the other Caricom official and associate members), the other islands that are washed by the Caribbean sea should be included since they are geographically and culturally part of the Caribbean; these include Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, Martinique, Guadeloupe, Aruba, the Netherlands Antilles and wherever else I don't remember offhand. I don't think these are up for debate.

Then there are the countries on Central and South America that are washed by the Caribbean Sea but are not otherwise considered parts of the Caribbean. Their inclusion, I think, is debatable. Hairouna 03:34, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


In Trinidad and Tobago we would consider Belize, Suriname and Guyana all part of the Caribbean even though they are in Central and South America. This is largely because of the historical links ... there is a common use of English in Guyana and Belize and all three countries are in CARICOM. Dave Smith 01:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Guyana is also part of the East Caribbean Supreme Court circuit. It seems like half the judges in the Eastern Caribbean are from Guyana. Legis (talk - contributions) 17:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Coveraged of the Insular Caribbean[edit]

Although the mainland countries are, IMO, Caribbean, I think we need to start with more tractable issues. So to begin with I want to compare coverage of the islands: /Coverage

How is the table on /Coverage supposed to be filled in? --Gpyoung 4 July 2005 21:42 (UTC)

Good question :) I think we need to come up with what we think each entity should have (main article, etc.) and we score them based on quality of the article. Maybe:
Score Meaning
0 No article
1 Stub or short entry
2 Adequate article
3 Good article
4 Featured Article
How does that sound? Guettarda 4 July 2005 22:24 (UTC)


Ok-that sounds good-I can start on some of them tonight since I don't really have anything else to do. But another question-I just finished a re-write of the Cayman Islands article and its in good shape now but some of the more in-depth sub article (ie. Geography of the Cayman Islands are stubs-when rating an article should we look only at the main country page or at the sub pages? Please Advise. --Gpyoung 4 July 2005 23:43 (UTC)

One column for the main article, next column for each subpage. Should probably start with the standard ones and then break them down one by one. Guettarda 5 July 2005 00:28 (UTC)

Something that I have been noticing is that a lot of the sub-pages are taken verbatim out of the CIA World Factbook, and although this is good information -- it is nothing more than raw data. How do we want to approach these pages? --Gpyoung 5 July 2005 00:53 (UTC)

Change them, I think. You should have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries. Guettarda 5 July 2005 01:14 (UTC)

Vieques Protests[edit]

The Navy-Vieques protests, which occurred from 1999-2001 were an extremely important event in the caribbean. It was the first time that the President of the US had to address an issue of a little island that it's part of Puerto Rico. So much coverege was given to the event on CNN and the international community. Maybe the article can get expanded an pictures can be added.<<Coburn_Pharr>> 5 July 2005 05:54 (UTC)

Good idea - we need to figure out what sort of things we want to do here, areas of collaboration, etc. I can see three separate categories:
  1. Making sure we have good core articles for each "entity"
  2. Making sure we have good coverage of major international issues concerning the Caribbean - like the Vieques issue.
  3. Making sure we have adequate input into articles which touch on the Caribbean broadly - Pan Caribbean politician and social movements, information technology infrastructure, trade and border issues, etc.
Guettarda 5 July 2005 06:07 (UTC)

Aves Island[edit]

I think we should include Aves Island somewhere in here. The territorial dispute regarding the territory typically reagrded as a Venezuelan possession but also claimed by Dominica. Any thoughts.Mad05963 19:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

An invitation from Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket[edit]

If you're a cricket fan, please come along to Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket. We have quite extensive cricket coverage, but as of date, unfortunately, no West Indian members of the WikiProject. We'd love to change that and develop our coverage of West Indian cricket. If anyone wishes to join, and also if you have any pictures you can share, please come along to WikiProject Cricket and helo, jguk 5 July 2005 07:04 (UTC)

Caribbean Portal[edit]

An anon added a Caribbean Portal yesterday. IMO, either we need to bring it up to speed, or it should be VfD'd. Guettarda 6 July 2005 14:57 (UTC)

  • I think it's a good start. Since I am presently in Guyana, I'll be focusing on Guyanese articles... I'm new to the Portal business, so I'm not sure exactly what needs to be fixed with that - but if I Figure it out, I'll work on it. --TaranRampersad 8 July 2005 06:10 (UTC)
  • The Question is do we really need a portal now or are there more important things that need to be dealt with? I think we first need to make sure the basic country articles are up to speed, then we should worry about grouping them together and running the portal, which seemingly takes a bit of work. But, that's just my opinion.

--Gpyoung 9 July 2005 04:59 (UTC)

  • Caribbean and West Indies and Antilles is not actually the same as the portal claims. West Indies has also several meanings. The Spanish used the expression Indias Occidentales (West Indies) to refer to the Americas as a whole, whereas the British used it to refer to their small Caribbean colonies or the Lesser Antilles. I'd prefer you guys to use the word Antilles if you only want to refer to the islands and exclude the rest, also to use the language in a more meaningful and less politicised way. You must know that Venezuela and Colombia both claim to be the most Caribbean places on earth. They have a strong argument to claim that, their coast lines on the Caribbean Sea are the longest of any other nation and they both have island territories on the Caribbean sea. Claiming that a few islands of the Caribbean are the entire Caribbean is to give credit to divisions established by the colonialists for political purposes. --tequendamia 03:59, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Active Caribbean Wikipedians[edit]

Feel free to add or remove yourself from the list at Wikipedia:List of Caribbean Wikipedians

Category:Politicians of Saint Lucia[edit]

A lot of article son Saint Lucian politicians were "batch translated" from Spanish earlier this month, and need work converting them into English (typical "babelfish"-like translation, many phrases that obviously don't mean what they did in Spanish). If anyone is interested, there's cleanup to do there. Guettarda 14:47, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. I just saw the entry for Petrus Compton, and added a sentence. Perhaps I should go back and add his nickname, 'Papo'. (We were exact contemporaries at Mona.) fledgist 19:19, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Minor note: oddities at Arecibo[edit]

I just did a bit of clean-up work on the Arecibo, Puerto Rico article. I found a couple of odd statements on that page that I do not know how to fix. They concern the local airport and basketball team. Could someone familiar with Arecibo please look at my comments on Talk:Arecibo, Puerto Rico and fix these? Thanks. — Nowhither 21:40, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

History of the Caribbean[edit]

History of the Caribbean is no longer COTW, but it still needs work. Guettarda 22:44, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Pictures of West Indian cricket[edit]

If anyone has freely licensed pictures of anything to do with the West Indian cricket team - players, grounds, crowdshots, whatever - could they let me know. I'm trying to get West Indian cricket team up to FA status and the lack of pictures is a big hindrance. Any help would be much appreciated, jguk 14:12, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Caribbean-related articles on AfD[edit]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Caribbean

  • Lord Cam - limited online presence by musicians from smaller islands should not be grounds for deletion. Guettarda 04:15, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
I was wondering if we should have something like this Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Australia for Caribbean articles up for deletion. See also Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting. It would be interesting to develop a kind of deletion criteria for Caribbean-related articles, which I think differ from the criteria that should be used for, say, United States-related articles. --Kewp (t) 18:29, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
Sounds good - we could add the subpage and start thinking about the deletion criteria (could use the talk page to get that started). Guettarda 18:35, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Bermuda[edit]

Yes, I know, it's debatable (and much debated) whether Bermuda belongs on this page, but I have a request that you more than many Wikipedians might be able to help with. I was horrified last month to discover that there were only four geography articles about places in Bermuda, and that three of them were stubs. So, I've been "gazetting" the place. There are now 58 articles, plus maps and templates, but (you guessed it) almost all of the articles are stubs. Also, I haven't been there in many years, and much of my information may be out of date. If any of you know anything about the territory, and would be willing to check out the articles in Category:Geography of Bermuda, it would be very useful! Grutness...wha? 01:18, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

  • Bermuda and Cayman are both a bit tricky. They can't make up their minds if they are in or out. Legis 15:29, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
  • But isn't Cayman totally within the Caribbean Sea? I don't think there's any doubt that they are Caribbean.

Vgmaster 7 September 2006

New template[edit]

I have created the following template for the Caribbean, {{Caribbean topic}}. I would like comments regarding the locations I have included in the template. Locations in smaller caps are continental while those in larger caps are insular. An example of the template is presented below. Joelito (talk) 18:37, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

It looks good to me, but I am a but confused by the inclusion of St Pierre & Miquelon. Guettarda 20:11, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Fixed. Joelito (talk) 20:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


Patua mija proposed deletion[edit]

Hi, an article on a language, patua mija, has been Prod'd. Hard to tell from the article, but it's possibly a Caribbean language. Anyone here know anything about it? Comments probably best at Talk:patua mija. Cheers, JackyR 15:30, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Baseball in Cuba[edit]

If anyone knows anything about baseball in Cuba, get yourself over to the above page and add a fact or two. Thanks!--Zleitzen 22:31, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Proposal for regional stubs[edit]

Hi! This is the first time I've come to join you. Please support my proposal for Caribbean-related stubs at WP:WSS/P. In time to come, we'll be doing a good service to the region and its WP readers with those stubs. --Slgr@ndson (page - messages - contribs) 22:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Turks and Caicos Islands[edit]

They have just undergone constitutional reform -- since the day before yesterday, their head of government is not Chief Minister any longer, but Premier instead... Does this also mean that T&CI status is at par with Bermuda's now, meaning they have the highest level of self-government possible? If so, the table and descriptions at British overseas territories should be adapted to that effect... —Nightstallion (?) 06:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Caribbean[edit]

I think Caribbean regions, Cities, States etc. Need to be developed more and have more information on them.

I also propose an Indo-Trinidadian Article (or possibly an Indo Caribbean article) and a Black Caribbean Article. User talk:Caribbean1Caribbean1 20:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Dominican Republic[edit]

The Dominican Republic article needs a good going over by a group of editors. It has some really poor prose, such as "about 70% of all Dominicans are mixed" - "The Dominican Republic is a Hispanic country, therefore, as with all Hispanic countries in the Americas, its culture and people is derived predominantly from Spain" - "Democracy is not something that is born overnight, it takes time to learn its rewards and even more importantly; tolerate its hardships" and on and on. I wonder if editors could take a moment to comb that article into better shape.--Zleitzen 11:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Proposed WikiProject[edit]

There is now a proposed WikiProject for the Caribbean area, including all the states and territories of the Caribbean, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Caribbean. Interested parties should add their names there so we can determine if there is enough interest to start such a project in earnest. I note that there already are a few projects dealing with specific areas of the Caribbean, and this project has no intention of "horning on" on their territory, or that of any WikiProjects which may develop subsequently. However, I do think that even one very general project right now is better than none at all. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

New Userbox[edit]

I have just just recently created a new userbox for people who live in the Caricom Area

Flag of CARICOM.svg This user lives in the Caribbean Community.

and

Flag of CARICOM.svg This user is from the Caribbean Community.

People from :-


should use this.

Caribbean1 15:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)



Caribbean Articles for Deletion[edit]

Caribbean[edit]

Damion Lowe[edit]

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Recreation of an article previously deleted by PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. This remains valid. Sir Sputnik (talk) 18:01, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

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The result was keep. I am closng it a few hours too early, but it arguably passes WP:SNOW.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:47, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

History of the Jews in Haiti[edit]

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An incredibly researched article which chronicles what ultimately sums up to be 25 members of a congregation in a country of 10 million or so. Clearly WP:UNDUE. The events and interaction of the congregation are not particularly notable. Jewish count not included in CIA factbook, and for good reason. WP:TRIVIA. If all congregations of 25 or more were counted in Haiti, there could be 10 thousand articles on each one. Multiplication of nn organizations is not desirable. So I don't get accused of anti-Semitism, articles on Judaism in Miami, New York, Israel (!), and many other places are highly desirable. I once worked on History of the Jews in Thessaloniki. Note that the latter consists of more than 25 members! In the meantime, I am trying to get rid of information about another tiny group which is, however, larger than this one! Student7 (talk) 15:24, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Keep. Sure, the article has some issues (neutrality in particular), but I think those issues can be settled by adding a few maintenance tags. Otherwise, the article is properly referenced, and the topic itself is fine. We have many articles titled something like "History of the Jews in (country)", so we can't say that the history of the Jews in a specific country isn't notable. Thus, I feel like this article really doesn't deserve deletion. (It's also worthy to note that there was a previous AfD on this article earlier this year, which essentially resulted in a snow keep.) --Writing Enthusiast (talk | contribs) 15:41, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment - Your deletion rationale is essentially unchanged from the one you posted the first time around, albeit with more words. Can you explained what in this topic area you feel has changed in the interim 8 months following that discussion that closed as a unanimous keep? Tarc (talk) 15:44, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
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  • Keep A group of even 25 people who have had a presence in a certain locality for over 500 years is very notable, especially if they also belong to a word religion and to a people with rich cultural traditions. Student7, your argument is not logical for an encyclopedia and is more likely to do harm than good. Debresser (talk) 19:40, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment - I'm a bit worried about the sources since this one seems to predominate [1] and I doubt it is acceptable. Would be better to go for the actual sources this source cites. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 21:33, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep The ample reliable and verifiable sources demonstrate the notability of an article about the centuries-long presence in the nation, and that's what matters. The nominator seems to obsess on the insubstantial size of the 2013 Jewish population in Haiti, which is just part of a history that dates back to the voyages of Columbus. The fact that the nominator is making a second nomination using the same excuse that was rebutted in the first comes of as a staggering abuse of process. I'd suggest closing this AfD immediately and recommend a walloping trout-slap for User:Student7. Alansohn (talk) 01:17, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep - Passes WP:N. Source examples include:
 – NorthAmerica1000 04:52, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep as the nominator himself admits that this article has sufficient WP:V & WP:RS that makes it WP:N. The logic behind this nomination is also very faulty since this is not just about "25 or so live Jews on Haiti" now but about a much longer older history, see History of the Jews in Haiti#History and modern history History of the Jews in Haiti#Modern Times. Note, just because "dinosaurs" have been extinct for billions of years, does not mean we should delete encyclopedic articles about "extinct species" while in this case there are at least still 25+ living Jews in Haiti. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 22:36, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
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Ida Stewart[edit]

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This is a pending case that has yet to be verified. As age hasn't been (fully) verified, it's original research to state she was the oldest living X. Living to a certain age does not make someone notable. PROD removed by User: Old Time Music Fan without an explanation. CommanderLinx (talk) 12:12, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

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Barbados[edit]

Cuba[edit]

Daryanne Lees[edit]

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Article about a beauty-pageant contestant - a biography of a living person. I believe this fails the Notability criteria for Models. Wittylama 22:10, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete, or at best, redirect to Miss Grand International Ugh. Miss Grand International is a very new pageant - only two years old. Miss Grand International 2013 was deleted at AFD very recently, and the pageant Daryanne Lees won was also deleted at AFD. Therefore Lees's sole claim to fame is that she won a non-notable pageant. The main pageant may pass notability, but the individual pageants clearly don't. At best, a redirect to the primary article seems reasonable. The other Miss Grand International, Janelee Chaparro, passes notability for being Miss Puerto Rico in Miss World, something Daryanne Lees can't claim. The sources are pretty primary and if she had won anything truly national, she might pass, but I think at present this person doesn't deserve anything more than a mention on the main page for the pageant. Mabalu (talk) 01:18, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

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Puerto Rico[edit]

Wilma Echandy[edit]

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Non notable beauty pageant contestant Wittylama 20:51, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

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  • Strong delete - Point blank fails general notability. Almost completely non-encyclopaedic and uncited content - including stuff about her father's troubles with the law, which I have removed as a violation of WP:BLP and almost seems like a personal attack - "look her daddy was in trouble with the law!" - which has NO bearing on her as a person. Mabalu (talk) 10:04, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Daryanne Lees[edit]

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Article about a beauty-pageant contestant - a biography of a living person. I believe this fails the Notability criteria for Models. Wittylama 22:10, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

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  • Delete, or at best, redirect to Miss Grand International Ugh. Miss Grand International is a very new pageant - only two years old. Miss Grand International 2013 was deleted at AFD very recently, and the pageant Daryanne Lees won was also deleted at AFD. Therefore Lees's sole claim to fame is that she won a non-notable pageant. The main pageant may pass notability, but the individual pageants clearly don't. At best, a redirect to the primary article seems reasonable. The other Miss Grand International, Janelee Chaparro, passes notability for being Miss Puerto Rico in Miss World, something Daryanne Lees can't claim. The sources are pretty primary and if she had won anything truly national, she might pass, but I think at present this person doesn't deserve anything more than a mention on the main page for the pageant. Mabalu (talk) 01:18, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

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Puerto Rico Proposed deletions[edit]